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10 Jul 2021 09:47:36
Good Morning Ed’s.

Apologies if this has been raised elsewhere but I havnt seen. Reports about that Ben Davies wants to stay and JK personally asked him to do so. Assuming this is accurate which I am unsure about at best, are we looking to offload any of the CB’s on the books either permanently or on loan? If Williams is included as a senior we have 7 CB’s for 2 positions are surely need to trim the squad? Thoughts or insights appreciated as always.

James.

{Ed002's Note - As has been explained, Nat Phillips is available to leave. Konate is a Gomez replacement but Gomez won't be sold. Ben Davies was a huge mistake but does not appear to be for sale.}


1.) 10 Jul 2021 10:59:49
Why is Ben Davies a huge mistake?

{Ed002's Note - His career has been stopped as Liverpool purchased him and did not play their youngsters. He has not played and midfield players have been picked ahead of him. A huge mistake and dreadful squad management again.}


2.) 10 Jul 2021 11:10:51
Thanks Ed. Very disappointing to hear. I very much hope positive decisions are made and both are allowed to move on to progress their careers.


3.) 10 Jul 2021 11:36:24
We needed cover, we signed him on deadline day of January. Season was over 4 months later, hardly a career ruiner. Both he aswell as the club were obviously happy to go along with the move which didn't exactly cost the club a fortune, they'll probably even turn a profit when selling.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool had youngsters they could use and also took a player on loan. The squad management has been poor and continues to be poor. So where does the player stand now?}


4.) 10 Jul 2021 11:40:43
It’s clear as day Klopp didn’t want Ben Davies. It seems we have a Rafa situation with Robbie Keane, signing a player he didn’t really want and then refusing to play him to send a message to the owners.

{Ed001's Note - nonsense. The lad got injured just after joining us, Williams and Phillips were in situ by the time he got back.}


5.) 10 Jul 2021 11:46:36
The player has this season to prove he is good enough to be kept beyond this season. That's where he stands based on what has been said in this thread. Sounds like he wants to stay to try make the most of the opportunity.

Klopp doesn't play every new player straight after signing. If Ben Davies isn't happy with how many games he plays this season then he can move on in January or at the end of the season. Not a big deal.

{Ed002's Note - The squad management continues to be very poor.}


6.) 10 Jul 2021 11:48:27
I imagine Williams will leave and we don’t know how the 3 injured players will recover. I think we need to keep an extra defender or 2 just in case. We can’t be playing the midfielders at the back again.


7.) 10 Jul 2021 12:18:26
Am sure Davies would have played if he wasn’t injured! Klopp can’t pick him if he’s on the treatment table can he.


8.) 10 Jul 2021 12:22:21
Not many squads could have dealt with the amount of injuries we did last season maybe none! So on that side squad management has been fantastic and we did use youngsters Williams and Philips (not so young) Elliotts loan also worked out well. But I do agree hanging on to some of the players we do that never get to see them me on the pitch is poor Tsimikas Origi Ox and Shaq never play. But hey If poor squad management wins champions leagues and premiership titles then carry on. Seriously though I do think a tidy up is needed a bit messy having all these players unsure of their futures.


9.) 10 Jul 2021 12:50:15
The central defenders that will be reporting for day 1 of pre season…
Ibrahima Konate, Virgil van Dijk, Joel Matip, Joe Gomez, Ben Davies, Rhys Williams, Nat Phillips, Billy Koumetio,


10.) 10 Jul 2021 13:05:37
To be fair, Ben Davies must have known that he wasn’t going to be a regular starter and at best 4 choice when he signed for us. Maybe if it wasn’t for his injury he might have had some game time, we will never know. I hope he gets a chance to prove himself, but either way, we need to offload some of the back up CBs.


11.) 10 Jul 2021 13:16:55
3 senior defenders going into the season with the hope of giving the youngsters games in the early rounds of the domestic cups. Due to almost unheard of bad luck through injuries we were left with no senior centreback by January with most experts giving us no hope of top 4.We then sign a talented kid on loan "without"an obligation to buy and a player for pennies from the championship who then gets injured. We then achieve top 4 with the loanee and probably our 6th choice centrehalf at the start of the season. Davies and Phillips will likely be sold now for a hefty profit while we bought one of the most promising defenders in the world, leaving us with a group of 4 Centrehalves better than anything in the league. Absolutely top class squad management to me.

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish - you don't understand the situation nor the Home Grown rules.}


12.) 10 Jul 2021 13:18:31
Keeping Davies as LCB cover will allow us to sell Phillips and loan Rhys. It's interesting that Ed001 and 002 seem to disagree on this point. The lad was unlucky with the injury, so Liverpool did use youngsters. Hope he can stay fit and get some game time so we can finally see what he can offer.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool used the likes of Henderson and Fabinho at CB. Ben Davies did not play a single game.}


13.) 10 Jul 2021 13:55:19
Were grand regarding home grown. Elliot and Jones aren't even counted yet even though they'll get plenty of games. Look Klopp pulled a blinder getting us top 4.Davies will get over it. Big drama about nothing.

{Ed002's Note - You are an idiot - Liverpool had a reduced Champions League squad last season.}


14.) 10 Jul 2021 14:33:48
So would you want us to have a 25 man squad. AND the likes of Neco, Jones, elliott?

{Ed002's Note - Williams won't be there but Liverpool will have to leave players out of their Champions League squad again or fix the problems.}


15.) 10 Jul 2021 14:41:44
Kelleher, Neco, Trent, Gomez, Ox, Hendo, Millie, Jones and Elliott for this season. grand. not counting jones is like Arsenal not counting Saka, or Utd not counting Grenwood. these players are senior players despite their age.


16.) 10 Jul 2021 14:43:45
If you were not pick ahead of rhys last seasons. Good luck trying to be picked next seasons.


17.) 10 Jul 2021 15:49:32
Ben Davies kept picking up injuries did he not? I mean surely it would have been worse management to play him at a level higher than he’s ever played before with a niggling injury?

{Ed002's Note - He made the bench a few times. But a pointless buy.}


18.) 10 Jul 2021 15:56:38
Reminds me of a buy a few years ago, one of the top 6 (cant think who) bought a 24 year old from some championship club. can't remember ever hearing of him again. Anyone remember who it was?


19.) 10 Jul 2021 16:18:04
Aaah it was Michal Hector bought by Josè at Chelsea.


20.) 10 Jul 2021 16:36:29
Nonsense Ed? Klopp was happy with a last minute championship defender? I’m not buying it. I’ll trust in Klopp’s squad management as well too thanks.

{Ed001's Note - ok you obviously know better. Or it could just be that you are as arrogant as you are ignorant and will dismiss anything that doesn't suit you.}


21.) 10 Jul 2021 17:31:43
Look he may stay or go. but at £1.6m for a player who had plenty of interest in him, and who will more than likely turn a nice profit when being sold his signing can hardly be classed as a "huge mistake".


22.) 11 Jul 2021 00:07:49
Last season players for CB position:

-VanDijk (INJURED)
-Gomez (INJURED)
-Matip (INJURED)
-Philips (Played 20 games)
-Rhys (Played 19 games)
-Ozan (Played 13 game)
-Davies (Played 0 Games)

This season

-VanDijk
-Gomez (Likely yo play RB)
-Matip
-Konate
-Philips (Sell)
-Rhys (Loan)
-Davies (? ) Didn't play a single game and doesn't have a place in the team unless 3 players get injured at the same time.

{Ed002's Note - "His career has been stopped as Liverpool purchased him" - "He has not played" - "A huge mistake and dreadful squad management again"

{Ed002's Note - "Ben Davies was a huge mistake but does not appear to be for sale"


23.) 11 Jul 2021 15:16:01
The guy kept getting injured which tells me he prolly could not handle the type of training Klopp deploys. Also, we are forgetting that Kabak and Phillips formed a solid partnership for 8 games w/ o a loss so was Davies on the bench during that time? If he was then of course, he stays there. If he was injured at the same time then again, what’s the problem?

We may have issues with squad management but IMO, this whole storm in a tea cup about Davies is way overblown, IMO.


 

 

11 Aug 2016 00:11:49
Anyone know of or seen anything of this fullback Juanma we are supposedly signing?


1.) 11 Aug 2016 02:33:54
He's only 19 so he is probably not what you thought he was going to be.


2.) 11 Aug 2016 04:47:16
Confirmed signing after successful week trial for the U23 team, not first teamer yet and not expected to be this season. It's a left back, just not ready this season.


3.) 11 Aug 2016 08:47:32
Leftbackinthechangies?


4.) 12 Aug 2016 14:22:52
Chilwell was only 18/ 19.


5.) 12 Aug 2016 16:02:29
Watched him play for 60 minutes in the flesh for the U21's against MK Dons. He is very fast and utilised his speed to make a handful of recovery tackles. He also has a nice touch and is neat in possession. His positioning was very weak though and he over ran the ball on a few occasions. Looks a fairly decent, attacking young left back. Whilst I doubt he will get much if any first team action, with our complete lack of depth there, who knows.


6.) 13 Aug 2016 00:55:14
Would love him to be a dark horse and end up a first team regular a la Bellerin. Would certainly cure our left back headache.


 

 

06 Jul 2015 15:52:35
Afternoon eds.
Are we switching our interest in a striker from Benteke to Jovetic?

{Ed002's Note - No.}


1.) 06 Jul 2015 16:50:31
Not sure if he would be interested but Lacazette would be a better fit for our team and when you look at the rumoured transfer fees for him and Benteke it seems a clear one to me.

That said whoever we sign I'll be right behind.


2.) 06 Jul 2015 17:15:52
I totally agree dcal, but i can't see him coming to us. If he doesn't move this summer and has another good season I think he'll be able to pick his own club this time next year.


3.) 06 Jul 2015 20:08:53
I dearly hope we do not sign either of them. If Liverpool are in a position to spend 32m plus wages, then surely there are better achievable options in the current market


4.) 06 Jul 2015 22:23:45
Psynwa - go on then suggest some, that's the whole point genius. If you can't add content and just want to be negative then go play with your toys.


5.) 06 Jul 2015 23:52:03
The people who think Lacazette and Higuain are likely to come to Liverpool are deluded.I do however agree that Benteke is not what we need and we would be better off sticking with what we've got


6.) 07 Jul 2015 02:45:28
I look like to think that Aubamyang, forgive spelling, might be prised away from Dortmund for the amount of money that's being mentioned for Benteke, but nothing's been said about him being a target so wishful thinking I guess. I agree with Dcal, who else is there we could get? Maybe promote Jerome Sinclair? Better hope studge stays fit I guess.


7.) 07 Jul 2015 03:19:47
Higuain and Lacazette won't come to us, we CAN'T stick with what we've got because we need a new quality center forward and there are no real options other than Benteke


8.) 07 Jul 2015 07:35:47
Although I don't think he's worth 32m, I don't see any other option than Benteke. Goal every other game for a team like Villa? With players like Firmino and Coutinho around him I expect him to bing in a few more.


9.) 07 Jul 2015 09:19:19
Benteke is only 24. He's a proven goalscorer in the epl and a real nightmare for defenders. With new coaching staff in place we are obviously going to adopt new ways of playing ball. In part because we have been found out.

So please people, keep the whining to yourselves and support the beast. He might just be exactly what we need.


10.) 07 Jul 2015 10:54:57
I don't mind either. In fact if we could get Jovetic that'd be great because he's half the price. Altho Benteke's performance and form can much clearly be seen than Jove's. Poor thing warming benches at City. Great talent!


11.) 07 Jul 2015 18:31:18
My cousin is a Citeh fan and he hates Jovetic. Says he's lazy. And injury prone. I trust his judgement as he's very knowledgable.

The only positive is that a player exchange would drop the cash price for Stirling and therefore, we have to play QPR less.

{Ed001's Note - not true, the value would be the same.}


 

 

14 Feb 2015 21:33:01
Hi eds. hope all is well.
Quick question, hope you might have an inkling. I would assume the squad needs drastically trimming down in the summer, especially in the striker department.
My question is, with BR seemingly now realising he needs an apparent "plan B" do you think it's likely that one of either Lambert or Mario will be let go, if not both? I consider Borini already gone tbh. I only ask as Mario seems to at least trying recently, and Lambert seems out the picture altogether.
Thanks in advance!

{Ed002's Note - I think Lambert would probably be the firs out of the door. Others need to go to make space for Origi and Ings. Balotelli is keen to stay a few years if other options are not available.}


1.) 14 Feb 2015 21:55:51
So Ed, you're basically saying there's a good chance Ings will be a Liverpool player next season? I'd take that!

{Ed002's Note - See above.}


2.) 15 Feb 2015 04:56:35
If Ed002 just said Rickie may have to make way for Origi and Ings, that implies that Ed002 believes there's a good shout Ings will be a Liverpool player in the summer!


3.) 15 Feb 2015 06:23:05
I would suspect we'd try to move on Aspas and Borini for sure and perhaps Lambert as well. Not sure about Yesil, but he probably needs to move on as well.

Sturridge, Ings, Balotelli, Origi seems like a fair amount of depth to me.


4.) 15 Feb 2015 09:24:15
RDL, i would be happy with Sturridge, Ings, Origi and Balo as well but only if it is the Balo that we saw on the pitch in the last two games. Ings and Origi have little experience on the big stage and pairing them with an established goal scorer will take the pressure off them.


5.) 15 Feb 2015 04:58:14
hi Ed002 regards balo, you say he maybe keen to stay does this co-inside with his last to games has the penny dropped. what do you think or no? I think he could be a good player for us certainly looks good with sturridge. also is brendon starting to like him?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool want to sell him but are asking far too much money. His agent says the only other option is for him to stay. I think the club need to decide what they want to do with all of these strikers.}


6.) 15 Feb 2015 12:23:02
I think Mario has started to improve recently more because we have a proper striker back on the pitch. Mario is best played in a support role as opposed to being the main man. As long as Sturridge is there, he will continue to look good.


7.) 15 Feb 2015 19:37:14
My personal preference would be to offload Mario, Indian Buzzer, but I can't see anyone really wanting him so I think he may be here another year.


8.) 16 Feb 2015 10:34:10
hello Ed002, is that 'far too much money' more than what we paid for him?

{Ed002's Note - The amount is unimportant, but it is far too much. Liverpool will have a better idea about Ings in a week or two - Moyes is trying to get him to sign a pre-contract.}


 

 

 

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14 Jan 2022 00:30:43
Well that was embarrassing.

{Ed025's Note - it really was westwood..


1.) 14 Jan 2022 02:25:14
I honestly don’t know how a genius like klopp keeps fielding Hendo and Milner in the same midfield.


2.) 14 Jan 2022 09:05:02
Just shows that he is not a genius - not only with his selection before the match but also during it - his use of substitutes is unbelievably bad.


3.) 14 Jan 2022 09:15:47
TT, that is my beef, as well. Both don't work and we have the Chelsea game to prove it yet Klopp did it again. Ox should have started to inject some pace into that midfield and offer third man runs in the box to loosen up Arsenal's defence. Then, he brings him on with 10 to go. What is that supposed to do? Klopp messed up here, IMO.


 

 

11 Jan 2022 11:49:19
Seems Salah is putting the emphasis squarely on FSG to do what is needed to get him to stay. That this isn't been sorted yet and with Gini's example last summer this doesn't bode well. Looks like a sale in the summer to fund a rebuild. although I hope not.


1.) 11 Jan 2022 12:19:41
Personally think Salah should shut up and dribble. no class talking about these matters in interviews or wherever these quotes came from.


2.) 11 Jan 2022 12:21:38
Sell our best player, FSG will build a hotdog stand outside the ground, say it's for the club, to please the blind fans who continue to support them, it's a joke I've seen multiple reports, from financial experts, not myself, of the amount we can spend due to FFP, over £250 million just shows how much we've been mugged off.


3.) 11 Jan 2022 12:34:17
We’re not getting much if we sell him in the summer, age/ remaining contract/ economic conditions mean we will be seeing offers of about £50m/ £60m tops as the big money is chasing other players like Mbappe/ Haaland etc, which means that there won’t be enough for any kind of rebuild (after you take off taxes, agents fees and other disbursements) .

As for Salah, he’s an employee like all of us and therefore the man is entitled to vent his frustrations like any of us with our work. It’s up to the owners what sort of club they want us to be. If it means not having top players like Salah, then that answers its own question.

Anyone seriously suggesting we can adequately and easily replace Salah this summer is delusional, anyone thinking we can adequately replace him with the chicken feed we’ll get in transfer fee on a like for like basis if we sell him needs referring to a psychiatric unit. I genuinely can’t think of one winger or forward with the same output as him, at the same technical and fitness level as him (and those are the critical factors) even remotely in our price range. Not one.


4.) 11 Jan 2022 12:42:57
I think mo be sold he will pay for what they call a rebuild!


5.) 11 Jan 2022 13:21:59
Salah needs to shut up? How can you possibly take the side of a few billionaires who’ve disgraced the club so many times over one of our greatest ever players. He wants to stay and he’s making it known. There is not a single reason as to why he shouldn’t be signed to a king term deal on wages he reportedly wants. He doesn’t want enough if you ask me. We always here about how big a club we are and that Klopp made us a “destination” club. This contract situation will show where we’re at.


6.) 11 Jan 2022 13:26:54
"They know what I want, it's in their hands". Why not tell all how much it is he wants? Possibly because he has zero interest in staying at the club. He's an intelligent fella who clearly knows how to play the press and fans.


7.) 11 Jan 2022 12:59:27
Vvvv may I just say Aubamayeng and Ozil contracts, no way should the club be hold to ransom.


8.) 11 Jan 2022 13:34:02
As much as I absolutely kills me to type this but I agree with Jay. We absolutely need a rebuild and there is still value in Mo if we move him on in the summer. If we get a good price for Mo that will help us get some players in than it has to be done. Maybe as a parting gift Mr. Edwards come really pull some new signings for us out of the bag🤞.


9.) 11 Jan 2022 13:29:04
I think there is only one mug Lancaster Red 🙄.


10.) 11 Jan 2022 12:59:27
Vvvv may I just say Aubamayeng and Ozil contracts, no way should the club be hold to ransom.


11.) 11 Jan 2022 14:18:37
If we get £100m for him and that is a stretch. What sort of rebuild will that get you? Out of the top 4 is where we will end up if we sell Salah and then £100m is worthless.


12.) 11 Jan 2022 14:21:55
Let Mane, Thiago, Firmino, Williams, Phillips etc fund the rebuild. Since Salah’s form has dipped a bit we are throwing away points like confetti.


13.) 11 Jan 2022 14:25:36
FFP isn't the problem for us as I said couple of months back.

The biggest problem for us is that we don't have cash flow compare to other clubs and that's our biggest problem, hence ed2 criticizes our hand to Mouth model.

That figure just tells u how much we can spend but for that we need money to spend which we don't have.

We've already built decent amount of debt and our future earnings on purchasing players such as Jota, Thiago etc. I hope that helps 👍.


14.) 11 Jan 2022 16:05:41
Kopforever, exactly, these owners don't have the money to invest, so when this squad and Klopp disappear and we have 1 Prem and 1 CL to show for it, instead of 2 or 3 plus, because we never had the investment to build a quality squad, then we can all say, wish we had new owners, but let's wait and watch it all dampen out, Irish, you keep living in 2010, well done.


15.) 11 Jan 2022 16:16:54
If we sell Salah this summer, FSG will have made a mistake as bad as trying to push the club into the Super league. Their position as owners should be untenable if they allow Salah to leave. It would be the biggest indication of the lack of ambition at the club.


16.) 11 Jan 2022 16:33:01
I agree we shouldn’t fold to what Salah wants.

Yes he’s performing exceptionally well on the pitch and could be argued that he’s the best player in the world.

Yes he’s getting older. But we all know that on football manager players peak between 26-28 and nose dive soon as they hit 30.

Yes tv money, CL money, PL money, sponsorship and ticket cost is on the rise.

Yes we tried to broker a break away Super League where we get more money than the other thousands of football clubs around the world.

Yes staff are being furloughed who probably earn minimum wage or close too.

But at no point should we pay world class wages to a world class player.

What footballers get paid is amazing but that argument is for another day and let’s be honest won’t change, but the footballing world will continue to move up with inflation. If our wage structure doesn’t move with that then sadly we won’t be competing for trophies in the future. Not unless Klopp stays or we find the new Jurgen who seems to be able to get the best out of a squad despite a net spend of something like an average of 17 mill a season.


17.) 11 Jan 2022 18:16:08
Just to play devil's advocate and say Mo doesn't really want to stay. He has one eye on PSG, massive money and a huge Muslim community for his wife and kids to interact with. Happy wife = happy life. I take what footballers say with a pinch of salt. Sporting equivalent of politicians.


18.) 11 Jan 2022 18:16:24
How does a simple post about Salah's ongoing contract negotiations turn to "FSG out" in a couple of posts?
Is it because we're not "winning the transfer window"?
Remarkable stuff.


19.) 11 Jan 2022 18:22:42
Lots of interesting comments to my OG post. I would hope Salah would stay, but even with one year left and his age he would still fetch a decent enough fee I feel. Despite my OG post I don’t think a full rebuild is actually necessary. I think goalkeeper, defence and midfield is fine, especially in the latter area where I hope Jones and Elliot will provide some additional creativity to our current workhorse midfield. If we were to sell Salah and some other fringe players and bring in Luiz Diaz/ Raphiba and that Fiorentina lad I’d say that would be so bad. I would finish this thread with an observation though. Most club fans get attached to that one special player that’s in the squad and despair when it looks like they might leave. I’v seen it enough times in the last 25 years with Mcmanaman, Fowler, Owen, Nearly Gerrard, Torres, Suarez, Couts etc etc. Thing is we always come through it alright. I love what Salah does on the pitch for us but if he’s going to go then so be it. We’ll be alright. Whatever you think about FSG they want the club to do well so it is worth as much as possible when they sell. They will invest to protect their long terms goals.


20.) 11 Jan 2022 18:31:23
Get shut of keita and ox and thiago and origi and Williams and philipps. That's a lot of wages off the books and a few quid to buy maybe 1 player and afford salahs wage increase easily. If any1 thinks we shouldn't give in to him, watch city and Chelsea come in with offers and we'll be nowhere near top 4 without him anyway.


21.) 11 Jan 2022 19:21:54
Was Only a matter of time before LFC’s very own Karen commented on a post offering nothing but criticism to the fans below him 👏.


22.) 11 Jan 2022 19:22:50
Yeah no idea why people are moaning about FSG. It’s not like it’s them who are negotiating his contract 🙄🤦🏻‍♂️.


23.) 11 Jan 2022 20:11:27
Zagreb - not taking sides jus making an observation. Ed told us 3 summers ago that salah had his agent seek out real Madrid, so to me this is all leverage and a bit of clever PR from Salah. So yeah, he should just be quiet and do things the liverpool way. Discreetly and behind the scenes.


24.) 11 Jan 2022 20:27:52
It was only a matter of time before one sensitive poster got upset about a nothing post.


25.) 11 Jan 2022 21:29:38
I love the we shouldn't bow to salahs demands this and that yet we have the same fans calling him the best player in the world. Please give me a good reason why he doesn't deserve what he's asking for if you have clowns like Paul pogba doing nothing and earning more?

Simple facts are we can let salah go and sign 2 players on 200 grand a week each and both together won't score what he has scored or created etc. Salah deserves every penny.

Who's also to say that salah is only looking after himself, maybe he wants assurances that the owners are willing to invest in the team and keep us challenging at the top level and that's what's holding up any deal? let's not always jump and call a player greedy when we aren't in the discussions.

Just got to be careful what we wish for because without mo we are in trouble and a struggle for even top 4.


26.) 11 Jan 2022 21:49:52
Oh JK23, have you got a stalker 🤣🤣.


27.) 11 Jan 2022 22:02:33
Markp08. I would go further. I would move on Origi, Ox, Thiago, Neco, Mane, Keita, Firmino, Minamino, Nat P, Rhys Williams, Ben Davies and maybe Curtis Jones although I'm not sold on that idea.

Bring back Sept VDB in the hope that he can cover Right Back

Adrian, Karius and Milner of the books.

Buy 2 midfielders and 3 forwards as the start of our rebuild.

Pad the gaps in the squad with Morton, Gordon and Bradley.


28.) 11 Jan 2022 22:07:12
I love the way not one "fan" actually read the article that was making today's headlines, its from an interview in early November, klopp has since said they're having positive talks so may just wait and see what happens, as for having 250m to spend because some expert says so, well I'm allowed buy a mansion but doesn't mean I've the money to do it. I've never read such rubbish in a long gime.


29.) 12 Jan 2022 00:03:27
@Port red - stop it! This thread isn’t about common sense mate 😉

What I will say is that, if you rollback to 2010, we were teetering on the brink of becoming another Nottingham Forest and looking at the real possibility f sliding down a couple of divisions and heading fairly quickly towards receivership.

Roll forward 11 years and we have won’t the PL, CL and World Club Cup - out of all the teams playing football in the country can claim they have done that?

We also have an improved ground (bringing in additional revenue for future player sales) and a state of the art training facility that houses all our age group teams making it easier (in one sense) for talented youngsters to come through the system - and a system of playing that they are used to and comfortable with - improving our home grown capability and saving literally tens, perhaps hundreds, of millions on the need to purchase ‘ready made’ first team players.

The situation in 2010 was rescued by FSG and the success we have achieved was made possible by FSG. Even IF, a really big hairy a*sed IF, they haven’t put all the money in themselves their business acumen has meant that we have achieved a level of success that 99% of fans can only dream of, playing football that is the envy of 99% of football fans, no matter what they might say or sing.

We are currently 3rd in the league and will move second if we draw our next game and there is still basically half the season to go. We are into the last 16 of the CL having won all our qualifying games- which nonEnglish club has ever done before. We are in the semi of the League Cup and we at home to a team from a lower division in the next round of the FA Cup.

As usual, everybody is entitled to an opinion, even those who have the concentration span of a gnat or who do not exercise their brain in any form of thought before providing an ‘opinion’, but really some of the posters on this thread really need to get out in the fresh air, take some deep. Deaths and imagine what if would be like playing in League 1 or 2, which could well have been our fate - then we might have had reason to constantly whine.

I’ve been a fan of Liverpool for nearly 60 years, I love the club, I love the atmosphere at the ground and I love the fans and the ‘craich’. So, yes I support FSG and yes, I also understand they are businessmen, but they are businessmen who have (for whatever reason) provided us with a brilliant group of talented players to support. Enjoy it, it won’t last and it would be a real shame to miss the chance of enjoyment.

Anyway, another rant over.

YNWA.


30.) 12 Jan 2022 06:28:15
Irish living rent free mate 😜.


31.) 12 Jan 2022 12:34:45
@Port Red, if you have funds to buy a mansion then you can, a collection of multi million/ billionaires waiting for their massive pay out off the club while the team and fans miss out on a real chance of pro longed glory, seasons are passing by while Liverpool's "brand" grow and the team suffers, open your eyes.


32.) 12 Jan 2022 15:14:21
Lancaster red, you really don't read what Ed 02 says about owners and how much they can put in and how it works, some financial expert says we can spend 250m and not break ffp and it's take as gospel, he has no clue what money is in the club or debt we have. City have had to create sponsorship deals to spend and we call them cheats, you make up crap in your head and convince yourself your right, so open your own eyes mate.


33.) 12 Jan 2022 22:49:41
Spot on again Port red - a financial expert says we have £200+ m that we could spend before encountering issues with FFP rules so that must automatically mean that we have £227m to spend on transfers - simple 😁😁😁.


34.) 13 Jan 2022 08:17:14
Good to see a reply i wrote wasn't put up again, @Port, I have been on this site for years and read everything in Red, have no problem with anything but you also take everything the Eds say as the only truth so no different with what I've read from multiple sources, not one place, @ WWW, has nothing to do with thinking we must have that amount of money, I would think a a multi billion group has £220m + to put into the team, they just don't and hide behind FFP, the owners have done great but they reached their limit when we won the League and have let the side and Klopp down massively.


35.) 13 Jan 2022 10:41:23
@Lancaster Red, FFP is the rule. It s simply not a case of hiding behind it - they are obliged to follow the rules. So yes a ‘multi billion’ company could potentially have considerable investment power but it is meaningless if the owners are not permitted to spend it by the rules of the sport’s governing body.

Did you not notice that when we won the League there was actually nobody in the ground? Did you not notice that the revenue streams that are the main component of potential transfer funds was massively impacted ( and not just only for us) ? The revenue streams were curtailed by a world wide C.V., not by FSG ‘reaching their limit’ (although that seems to contradict your previous sentence about them being a ‘multi billion group’.

The fact that we are going strong in all three Cups we have entered and will go second in arguably the toughest league in the world to a team very adept at finding sponsorship deals from companies whose management group bear an uncannot likeness to members of the football team’s owners doesn’t seem to suggest that FSG have let anybody down recently “massively” or otherwise.

Anyway, suffice to say I disagree with your opinion and I’ll leave it at that.


36.) 13 Jan 2022 11:34:36
I'm happy you have your opinion and i certainly won't try and belittle you like others on here do, a couple of things, this is a figure we could spend before reaching FFP, other clubs work round FFP, let's not pretend they don't, the stadium was empty for half season when we won the league, wouldn't of impacted before then, what's the excuse there?, The stadiums will be paid back over time with interest, again making money back which will be covered, i have said before and i'll say again, nothing against the owners until we started winning and they seemed satisfied with that and didn't have the money to kick us on and attract top players, they said the right things but never backed them up, they have to sell to people who want more than a bit profit, they did well but are now holding us back.


 

 

20 Dec 2021 06:59:15
Now the dust has settled from yesterday and I have calmed down from witnessing some of the poorest refereeing in a long time, I actually think a draw is probably a fair result. Let's face it they created a lot of chances and Alisson was on top form, unfortunate error aside but he keeps us in so many games I think we can forgive him that! Whilst Jota should also of had a pen I also think I would be very aggrieved had Spurs scored a goal similar to Robbie with the suspect handball in the build up. I personally thought it would be ruled out and was surprised when it was not. Again I thought this was poor from the officials so this balances it a little. No excuses for the inconsistency from VAR with Kane and Robbo though. That was just appalling. All in all though they had a go and don't begrudge them a draw. Looks like spurs are going for top 5 so if we can be that unfortunate missing the defensive and midfield spine of the team Our strongest team beats that spurs side hands down 8 times out of 10. Proud to be an LFC fan and of the lads today getting a result.


1.) 20 Dec 2021 07:53:21
Completely agree i was sat in with spurs fans in the stadium yesterday and they were getting so carried away bar one fan it was unbelievable. Yes they had the better clear cut chances and you have to say Alisson made some great saves but kanea finishing was terrible yesterday bar the goal. But they've played against a liverpool team without the best centre back in the world and their entire first choice midfield. Now I'm not going to slag Morton off as he's a young kid. But he was out of his depth and looked scared. Sure if he had fabinho playing along side him may have been different. The whole game our passing was short and we bottles the 50/ 50 challenges. Which inevitably led to their chances. Deli Alli looked the most aggressive midfielder in the game which is an embarrassment. I was amazed it took so long to replace Morton and not sure why Ox didn't get a run out even after Morron did come off then Keita looked sluggish. Again the Mane change surprised me as the game went on we were looking tired and couldve done with Mane s pace to create. All in all with the team that played a draw isn't a bad result.


2.) 20 Dec 2021 08:15:38
Westwood666, I agree that Sours deserved a point if not 3, for the way they played and the chances they created. We didn’t play well enuff to win and I can accept that under the current circumstances.

That said, we got absolutely stitched up, end if. We say Spurs had chances and Kane could have had a hatrick. Does that happen if Kane is rightfully sent off and Spurs play 70 mins with 10 men? No, it doesn’t. If Jota gets thrown we all know we deserved and at 2-1, it’s a diff game.

I wouldn’t read too much into their performance cos they played an LFC team that fielded its third team midfield trio. Let’s give it time and see what happens with them.


3.) 20 Dec 2021 08:17:29
We should all watch ref watch on sky sports this morning @ half past eleven and listen to dermot Gallagher defend MR Tierney VAR needs the consistency we all crave from the officials Mr Oliver is still the only decent referee in the league.


4.) 20 Dec 2021 08:57:44
Today's VAR meeting is crucial. I get the not stopping argument as you can't be 6 games behind but if we carry on playing with 4 or more of our first team players out then the title will be City's in January. We simply can't play a midfield like we did yesterday and win matches. Just stagger the breaks meaning those teams who have had 2 week breaks like spurs don't get the winter break albeit I get it also depends who they are facing and will take some working through. Otherwise title will be City's as they have the most depth of squad.


5.) 20 Dec 2021 09:15:02
The referee and Var were inexcusable yesterday and for Kane to say on national tv he got the ball after previously swearing on his sons life he had scored a goal shows he has the moral compass of an alleycat.

All that aside I don’t think we deserved to win abs Spurs created so many chances against us (albeit against a makeshift midfield and centre back partnership) .

I’ve seen comments say Spurs fans got carried away and who are we to begrudge them that. They’ve not won any trophies in a long long time so for fans of clubs in that situation beating us and City etc is their cup final. And shows how lucky a position we are to be in as fans

My final note is we have the best manager and side since the 80’s when we dominated English football. But it’s a travesty that at the same time point we are up against another world class manager and squad that is state funded in City. We have been so lucky (as in fans not as a team) to have won what we have under Klopp in his time here so far but in 99% of other eras we would have probably had a few more league titles and cups under our belts.

This season is far from over as we go for that title and CL but it’s a massive ask when our first team players drop out and our squad players have to step in. What the team and Klopp have achieved so far they can be immensely proud of. I’ve loved every game so far.


6.) 20 Dec 2021 09:41:11
You speak sense there JK.


7.) 20 Dec 2021 09:44:10
I thought they changed the handball law so that if it was accidental and not leading to that player scoring the goal then no handball would be called. Thought they called the Robbo goal perfect.


8.) 20 Dec 2021 09:46:50
I have been a defender of referees recently on here after they took a lot of stick a few months back and I still believe it is an extremely tough job. However, after the weekend, I simply cannot defend the decisions. Something seriously needs to be done about it as decisions like that can be the difference between winning a League or not.
I think it is about time referees take accountability for these decisions and are made to explain their thinking behind them.


9.) 20 Dec 2021 09:52:19
Spurs couldn’t be a LFC team with no
Midfield. They couldn’t beat us with there 13 men on and off the pitch.
The refere was a joke and the people controlling VAR are as well.

They are now hiding behind bar as a way of an excuse behind their inept decisions. The person controlling var won’t attempt to change it as there just as inept.

End of day 2-2 was a fair result based on them having 13 people helping them when we were down to 10 men.

Kane is a scumbag always will be he knows he’s protected. But to say he got the ball and that Andy agreed with him shows the level of deceit he will
Go too and get away with it, should be retrospective action regardless of the referee report but again they won’t allow that against golden boy.


10.) 20 Dec 2021 11:17:32
Rabh even before you do that, I invite you to watch the half time or post game analysis on BT (with Shay Given, Glenn Hoddle and M; Owen) where Dermott Gallagher was disgracefully trying to defend Tierny on the Kane tackle and Jota non-call and Shay Given wasn't having ANY of it.

Given literally told Gallagher to his face, that Kane should have been sent off w/ o question. Gallagher then said that the only reason saving grace for Kane was that Robbo jumped up and again, Given wasn't having it. Given responded that Robbo jumping was the saving grace for. Robbo. Not for Kane so again, a red card per Given. Disgraceful defence of the indefensible by Gallagher here.

Same for the penalty. Given ripped Gallagher for trying to defend VAR and Tierny by saying it was a pen and that even the one where Ederson cleans out Fraser in the Newcastle game was a pen as well. The refs. are circling the wagons now cos they know they messed up big time.


11.) 20 Dec 2021 14:46:22
Excellent point again mate fair dos.


12.) 20 Dec 2021 21:47:48
Oil - I agree bro, although I think that the info and insight from Dermot is key here. He is basically giving the framework for how the decision-making process is made. There is back and forth comms between the ref and VAR prior or whilst VAR are looking at it, and then VAR would take that into account before determining whether the ref has made a clear error. The bit around Robbo jumping, Kane being "low" (lol like wtf) are mitigating factors that the refs are looking at to make their calls. Whereas we, the sensible ones, just look at it and think um that's a red mate. push off lol.


 

 

09 Nov 2021 06:52:07
What does everyone think the team needs at the moment? Despite the recent poor result I do think we are pretty strong. Yes the front line will need replacing over the next couple of years but I think our midfield is our weakest area. Normally the industry and covering the full backs getting forward is effective but we are being figured out in recent times making this approach difficult to rely on consistently. When teams sit deep and defend wide we always struggle and I believe This is due to a lack of genuine world class creative ability in our midfield, not a new problem either. When teams adopt this tactic against us, sometime you need a player in the midfield to pick up the ball run, beat his marker and play a through ball or a one two to create openings. Our regular midfield does not do this. Keita and Ox can but they are made of glass and lack defensive nouce. Personally my priority would be to buy a midfielder in the mould of Bernardo Silva. I don't like him as a person due to prior comments but he's a workhorse, is creative and a goal scorer. Thoughts? Is it just me? Havnt been happy with what I consider to be our main weakness for quite some time now.


1.) 09 Nov 2021 07:54:13
Robbo needs dropping for sure. And Jota needs someone to push him.


2.) 09 Nov 2021 08:05:35
The midfield looked the weakest area before the season even started, it still is in my opinion. If Thiago was ever fit it might be different but he is turning into a very expensive mistake.


3.) 09 Nov 2021 08:15:26
Buying Bernanrdo silva and asking him to babysit full-backs and do the Wijnaldum job ain't giving you results. Klopp won't allow his midfielders to express themselves upfront. Look at Curtis Jones and Keita.


4.) 09 Nov 2021 08:28:06
So reading that lot back, the "issues" are Robbo, our entire midfield including Thiago, and Klopp himself.
I didn't hear any of this when we were leathering United recently.


5.) 09 Nov 2021 08:32:38
Okay this is who I think we need in an ideal world over the next couple of years.

I agree that a midfielder would be good. A busy cariliero who can carry the ball up the pitch and, as you say, is a workhorse. maybe Bissouma or Gravenberch. I used to like Florian Neuhaus but he doesn't seem to be first choice for Gladbach anymore so don't know if he's dropped off. Renato Sanches' injuries count him out for me. I personally love Zaniolo but unfortunately his injury history probably counts against him. In an ideal world, we would sell Keita and Ox to make way.

I think we could improve our number 9 area as Firmino isn't getting an younger. Ideally a goalscorer who presses and can link up play. I'm hesitant to say Haaland on this site however I don't think it's impossible although I don't think we're favourites. Failing him, Joao Felix, Jonathan David, Karim Adeyami or Darwin Nunez perhaps? I like Adam Hlozek of Sparta Prague but I'm not sure how ready he is at this stage of his development. Maybe an attacking midfielder like Florian Wirtz could be converted to play as a false 9.

I also think we need another player to play on the wings. Klopp seems to have long-term interest in Ousmane Dembele - maybe we can get him on a free? He also seems to like Doku and Bowen so perhaps one of them? One or two players will probably leave to make way.

Finally when James Milner eventually leaves, we will probably need another midfielder. Having said that maybe Tyler Morton will be good enough. If not, it would be cool if we looked at another young talent like James McAtee or Kacper Kozlowski who we've both been linked with recently.

I don't think we need anyone else after that. Our options in defence and goalkeeper look good.


6.) 09 Nov 2021 08:43:09
Honestly think we have what we need in the club right now.


7.) 09 Nov 2021 09:13:28
Babbity

I like your choices, Unfortunately, to get them all we might have to sell the club.


8.) 09 Nov 2021 10:04:56
We're just fine as we are.


9.) 09 Nov 2021 11:46:47
We need to give the first choice midfield and Tsimikas plus Konate/ Gomez a run of games. In january i would look to be buying Bissouma, as our midfield beyond the first choice is made up of inexperienced youngsters, ageing pro’s and flakes. If the club aren’t going to stump up the money for Bellingham in the summer then there’s no point pretending that they will, in which case they should be honest with themselves and move for Bissouma. Also if possible try and find someone who can be groomed as a proper heir to Firmino, a striker who can link up the play. I’d say that’s about all we can do and just hope for the best.


10.) 09 Nov 2021 12:40:00
A kick up the backside.


11.) 09 Nov 2021 13:37:21
We have only won half our league games so we definitely need something. Salah has been the best player in the world at the start of this season which basically means the other players have been underperforming.


12.) 09 Nov 2021 14:00:24
In the summer i looked at Liverpool and thought, 3rd or 4th. I’d say we’re pretty much where we should be early on and happy with a decent start.
Current season problems we should look at (not knee jerk or transfers) We need to sort out our vulnerability to crosses into the box, mainly back post. Substitutions are too late IMO. Failing to Hold onto 2 goal leads instead of finding the 3rd goal. Starting inform players Kostas for example. The crowd for some premier league games has been flat, very unlike us.
But it’s minor details, and nitpicking at a decent start and we’re pretty much on track of where you’d think this current squad is at the moment.


13.) 09 Nov 2021 14:58:31
Yes, It’s not panic stations. But I’m a little baffled at people saying we are fine “nothing to see here”. Difference of opinion is what makes this site but I would like those giving those one liners, or throw away comment as you were to give more of an explanation as to how they came to that conclusion. Losing, drawing will happen in football. However, if it’s happened in a similar manner on a number of occasions wouldn’t that at least suggest there is a problem somewhere? Whether it’s mentality, tactics, team selection, subs, players off form, something but to say it’s nothing is just confusing to me but may be it’s just me.


14.) 09 Nov 2021 19:19:32
General consensus is that our midfield is the problem but we have already had injuries to Keita, Fabinho, Thiago and Elliott this season. I think we are fine. Just need a bit of luck and the players returning to get back to their best.

Only changes that need to happen are Tsimikas in for the painfully underperforming Robertson, and Minamino/ Origi need to be coming on earlier so they actually have time to inject something in to the game. They have 6 goals between them this season despite bit part roles thus far. Trust the squad more when Mane or Jota aren't at the races.


15.) 09 Nov 2021 20:27:00
We have the least net spend of any premier league club since 2018 including Norwich and Huddersfield we are even 3.5 million in credit. Klopp is some kind of wizard.


16.) 09 Nov 2021 20:45:56
But the discussion at the start of the season was we have a midfield full of players who can’t stay fit, luck doesn’t come into it. None of the players can stay fit for 3 months never mind 9 months. We have 8 midfielders all of which have missed multiple games already.


17.) 09 Nov 2021 21:53:17
What does that tell you mark?
It's either the players are weak and easily injured or that Klopp's midfielders put the hard yards in and take their share of knocks and suffer injuries as a result.
I go with the latter personally, although some do seem to get injured more easily than others.
It makes Gini's constant availability all the more remarkable in hindsight.
There are probably very few midfielders out there that could come in and enhance the midfield as well as stay fit for the majority of the season with the demands Klopp places on them, so it wouldn't matter how much cash was splashed. Any new signing would most likely spend his fair share of time out injured as well over the course of a season.


18.) 09 Nov 2021 22:16:45
I agree they are asked to work extremely hard. It becomes a vicious circle. Milner had to play too many games so got injured. Fabs came back too early from injury, and Keita is just not up to the hard running. For all Gini’s faults I think we would now have more points if he was still here.


19.) 09 Nov 2021 23:38:58
I totally disagree regarding Gini - last season, when we really needed him to put in a performance like he did the year we won the league and a few games the season before, he disappeared and went missing in games. Back to his old self, we’d still be where we are now even with Gini in the side.


20.) 10 Nov 2021 06:44:44
In fairness wherever Gini was hiding last season he wouldn’t have been there alone.


21.) 10 Nov 2021 07:15:06
Gini hiding was not new JK23…. I remember going to countless away games, watching him let the game pass him by. He had a great season the year we won the league and was ok in parts the season before.


 

 

22 Apr 2021 08:03:24
With rumours building that Konate is looking more and more likely, what 4 CB’s would you all like to see in the squad next year? For me it’s VVD, Gomez, Konate and Phillips. Kabak looks ok but won’t start ahead of those other 3 I don’t think so not worth the money. I do think that Matip is the better defender and more suited to our style than Phillips, but Phillips would accept being a squad player which is important and does do a job I feel. Plus keeping him allows for the sale of Matip to raise funds and is one for the HG quota. Ben Davies can go, sell him cheap to Bournemouth or Celtic, Poor lad, Rhys Williams isn’t up to it I don’t think. Fabs can cover in an emergency. Any thoughts?


1.) 22 Apr 2021 08:23:41
Westwood666, I think Matip will be sold. As for Gomez, it will depend on how he comes back from the injury he had cos if it s a damaged knee tendon (I had mine ripped and needed it to be reconstructed) then, it could take longer. To this end, we ay need to keep Kabak or Phillips.


2.) 22 Apr 2021 08:28:31
yeah I'd go for Gomez, Konate, VVD, Phillips. For the same reasons about money and HG, I'd let Kabak go back and keep Phillips.


3.) 22 Apr 2021 08:37:43
Yep agree with this. Save the money on Kabak and put it forward for improving the squad elsewhere. Philips if he is ok with being back up can stay, if not he has earned himself a move.


4.) 22 Apr 2021 08:51:13
Yes, kabak isn't good enough imo but klopp seems to like him. Never seen konate play knowingly so can't comment. Is he decent eds1?

{Ed001's Note - Konate when I watched him was excellent. Absolutely outstanding as the best of the French trio at the back for RBL. I have been wanting us to sign him ever since. I know everyone has a stonk on for Upamecano, but I think Konate was much better when I watched them.} Become a Patron!


5.) 22 Apr 2021 09:20:58
A stonk Ed001 a stonk you say😂.

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6.) 22 Apr 2021 09:23:28
I agree Ed, I never really understood the love in everyone seemed to have for upamencano. He’s ponder spurs on the ball and dives in. Konate is quicker, stronger a front foot defender. No doubt he will make mistakes due to the front foot approach he takes but a really great prospect. Unfortunately great players cannot do it from the treatment table which may be his only downfall.


7.) 22 Apr 2021 09:32:43
Thanks Ed. I just watched a few clips of him and he looks like a good tackler and seems positionally sound. I hope we sign him, him and VVD as our CB partnership would be very solid.

{Ed001's Note - I think he could work with Gomez and Phillips well too (if those do end up our other options). Most of all, he also provides cover at right-back, which gives us a bit more flexibility. Not just in terms of covering injuries, but also on bench options, as you won't have to have a specialist right-back and centre-back on the bench, necessarily.} Become a Patron!


8.) 22 Apr 2021 09:48:19
Matip good on his day but way to unreliable!
We need rid of these types of players.


9.) 22 Apr 2021 09:54:10
we need to keep Phillips, buy Kabak and Konate. sell Matip. Gomez and VVd will take time to get back to form and fitness.


10.) 22 Apr 2021 10:10:51
What a shame about Matip tho lads, absolutely world class when fit if you ask me, be mint if he had some sort of injury free 2 years but can't see it.

{Ed077's Note - World Class? He isnt even guaranteed a first team place ahead of Joe Gomez and VVD, how is he world class? And you cant be world clas if you are never fit to show how good you are, IMO?}


11.) 22 Apr 2021 10:28:53
I agree with Decelticon here. Virgil and Gomez might need time to settle. There are doubts about Konate's fitness too. Kabak and Phillips should both be kept.

Rhys Williams out on loan, Sepp out on loan, Matip sold. The new paper straws at McDonalds have a better chance of lasting 90 minutes than Matip.


12.) 22 Apr 2021 10:29:32
If we sign Konate then this is what I would have our defence looking like:

VVD and Konate as the starting pair.
Gomez and Phillips as the back ups.
However, I would not be surprised to see klopp keep another senior defender as further back up after what happened this year, especially considering VVD, Gomez and Konate have all had long spells out in recent times and might take a while to get up to full fitness.
So who to keep? Kabak? Not for me, I think the lad is talented and you can see improvements in his game but at his age he needs minutes to improve and fulfil that potential, minutes he’s not going to get on our bench, so I don’t think it’s fair on him to rot on our bench. Plus he will cost money that we don’t actually have. Plus I know I say he’s got talent but I also don’t think he’s good enough either for us.
Davies? No idea. Only Klopp knows if he’s good enough.
Williams? Nope, I’m not convinced he’s even a defender, or even a footballer capable of playing higher than a team like tranmere to be honest.
Matip? To be honest he would be right at the top of my list for players to ship out, considering wages and injuries. However would he be top of anyone’s list to buy from us? I just can’t see anyone in world football willing to buy him with actual money. But on the flip side he’s the player that is the best fit for our system and a very capable player (when fit) so I can actually see him staying to be a back up, more out of a fact we won’t be able to sell him more than anything though, but if he stays on as the 5th defender then he’s unlikely to play in more than a half a dozen games anyway, surely he can manage that? Lol

So, VVD, Konate, Gomez, Phillips and Matip would be my pick. Further backed up by the kids.


13.) 22 Apr 2021 10:36:35
I think a lot depends on VVD and Gomez. If both can be back fully fit in the next 4 months then Konate and Phillips will be enough.
I’d be hesitant about going in with 4 though. Perhaps Davies stays as a 5th choice and can be an option at LB?
I don’t mind Fabinho playing CB as a last resort but I’d have him as a 6th choice. But could be influenced by signing midfielders.
If we were to sign 2 midfielders, eg. Bissouma, Kalvin Phillips, Renata Sanches, De Paul, Neuhaus. 2 of them probably allows for Fabinho to be 5th choice CB allowing Davies to move in.
I’d personally look to add Bissouma and Sanches/ Neuhaus. That would allow for Fabinho to be 5th choice CB without damaging the midfield too much (like it has this season) .


14.) 22 Apr 2021 10:37:10
Lol Matip has never been world class, he's shown some glimpses of quality in the past but that's about as far as it goes for me - I'm trying to be reasonable here! He needs to go.


15.) 22 Apr 2021 10:56:13
World class. that made me lol. He is very good on his day but the injuries are to regular for him to be reliable these days. Is Gomez going to be happy as a back up though? I highly doubt it tbh.


16.) 22 Apr 2021 10:56:54
Decelticon, I agree with you.


17.) 22 Apr 2021 11:44:27
All are very sure Phillips would be happy with the odd game here or there. Why would he? Most games he's played he has played well, a good solid defender. You can bet your life there is premier league managers keeping an eye on the CB situation at Liverpool.


18.) 22 Apr 2021 11:55:02
I keep forgetting Davies exists. Clearly he's not good enough in Klopp's mind. He can't even get on for a cameo when Kabak comes off around 80 minutes. Klopp always drops Fabinho back. I just don't see a future for him at Liverpool if he's not good enough to play when we have 3 senior centre backs injured. Reminds me of when we panic signed Caulker in January and he couldn't get near the pitch unless it was an almost comical cameo up front.


19.) 22 Apr 2021 09:54:52
In answer to the OPs question, my view is that we buy Kabak (and Konate) AND keep Phillips.

We have 2 CBs coming back back from long term, serious injuries, and another who will have just joined (Konate) . It may take several weeks or months to get up to speed (for different reasons) .

I would keep Phillips and offer him the opportunity to leave (if he's not finding enough first team opportunities) next summer, but I would definitely buy Kabak.

At the age of 20, and based on the games I have watched, he looks like an excellent prospect, and at £18m for someone that young and with (seemingly) that high a bar, I think he would be worth it.

Ed001, I know you are a student of the game, what do you think of what you have seen of Kabak so far, given his age and his natural acclimatisation to a new league/ culture?

{Ed001's Note - he is ok, but he is lacking awareness for me. I wouldn't pay money for him.}


20.) 22 Apr 2021 12:10:16
For those of you who think nothing of Matip look at the stats when fit he starts over Gomez. Kabak will be kept on Without a doubt. If konate signs Gomez will be given time to prove fitness then sold make no mistake about that. so for me probable back for will be vvd, konate kabak matip. Gomez for sale Philips too.


21.) 22 Apr 2021 12:17:05
Phillips has said that he’s not daft enough to think he’s an automatic starter and he knows his limitations as a footballer, but he also wants to stay and fight for a place in the squad and if that’s 3rd or 4th choice with the chances of reasonable amount games and medals then he’s happy with that. Players like Phillips are useful against the more agricultural teams.

{Ed0666's Note - Hell be 5th choice if konate comes in and Matip stays.


22.) 22 Apr 2021 13:26:27
Isn't konate made of glass as well? I'm sure he's barely played.

{Ed077's Note - he has missed quite a few games through injuries this past couple of seasons, particularly last season.}


23.) 22 Apr 2021 13:27:31
He’s said he’s happy to play back up ed0666 and prove his worth and given the chronic injury issues of Konate and Gomez and Matip there’s actually decent probability he’ll get some games. If I was in that position I’d take the chance to get some medals and play for a top side rather than go and play for Burnley or whatever in a year in year out relegation battle. Just look at United, for every Stam, Vidic or Ferdinand, there was an O’Shea or Wes Brown, basic functional defenders who could step in, do a competent job and were happy to do so. That’s probably how Phillips sees it.

{Ed0666's Note - I don’t understand players get criticized for sitting on the bench and not seeking first team football when they’re not playing and now they are getting praised for being bench warmers. My heads in a tizz. As a footballer who just wants to play the game playing regularly for Burnley is better than playing 10 games for Liverpool surely?


24.) 22 Apr 2021 14:57:56
6Times, Konate and Gomez do not have chronic injuries so your whole point is inaccurate from the get go.


25.) 22 Apr 2021 15:05:39
Ed0666 I guess it could be one of these reasons:

1) Do you back yourself? In which case stay at Liverpool and take one of the two regular starter slots

2) Its your dream club, you have supported them forever and it would bring you more pleasure playing fewer games for them than more games for someone else

3) You're after the most money and a Liverpool bench warmer gets paid more than a starter at another team.

I would think Phillips is (1) or (2)

{Ed0666's Note - if he actually is a Liverpool fan then (2) would be the appropriate choice maybe. I like the guy but let’s face it apart from being aerially dominant he’s fallible. I’m not skating the guy as he’s stepped up and been decent but no more than that.


26.) 22 Apr 2021 16:29:17
Yeah, I'd agree he's no VVD, 066, but I think he could have his place in games when we're up against a bullying CF, albeit they are thinner on the ground than a few years back when you had big Dunc, Shearer, even Carroll more recently.

And against teams that are going to just hoof the ball up or play for set pieces maybe?

{Ed0666's Note - I would play him in league & FA cup games and minimal league games. I don’t see the glamour mate sorry.


27.) 22 Apr 2021 18:37:15
Oli, both Gomez and Konate have very well documented history of injury issues. It’s easily found. So it’s fair comment to say they have chronic injury issues.

Gomez
15/ 16 - 234 days knee injury
16/ 17 - 128 days Achilles’ tendon
17/ 18 - 28 days ankle knock
17/ 18 - 54 days ankle surgery
18/ 19 - 6 days “knock”
18/ 19 - 128 days ankle surgery
19/ 20 - 1 day “knock”
20/ 21 - 231 days - knee injury

Konate
17/ 18 - 7 days thigh injury
17/ 18 - 5 days minor knock
19/ 20 - 239 days torn muscle fibre
20/ 21 - 96 days torn muscle fibre
20/ 21 - 49 days ankle injury

And Ed0666, I’d far rather play 10 games a year for Liverpool at the top end of the table, than 38 a season in a relegation battle at Burnley. Any sane person would. It’s not often in a professional’s career that they might get the opportunity to experience playing for a top club, so I imagine Phillips is taking the chance while it’s there and fair f*cks to him!

{Ed0666's Note - if he’s has confidence in his ability he would play a full season or two somewhere else and get a big move on merit and design rather than an afterthought at Liverpool.


28.) 22 Apr 2021 23:00:49
I'd sooner back myself and earn my money by playing. From seeing Nat being interviewed he strikes me as the same. Considering he went to the German 2nd division to play regularly I'd imagine playing for the "likes of Burnley" for 40 games a season beats 5 or 6 appearances for Liverpool. Maybe take the fan of the club glasses off.

{Ed0666's Note - post of the year!!!


 

 

 

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20 Jan 2022 15:01:42
I don’t always agree with VVVV but he’s got this one spot on I reckon.


 

 

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14 Jan 2022 06:38:04
Sorry transition that was the point I was poorly trying to put across. I don’t think Bissouma is what we need.


 

 

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14 Jan 2022 00:32:29
Even if we had the money tonight’s performance is once again evidence of what most of us have known for ages. Creativity from the midfield is not where it needs to be for a top team.


 

 

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11 Jan 2022 11:47:29
Spot on V4. Hugely underrated squad player. Has played his role brilliantly in the years he has been here and respite very little playing time and not fitting the system he always seems to find the net. I for one will be gutted when he goes. Let’s hope Minamino can be as useful off the bench and as backup.


 

 

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25 Dec 2021 20:53:11
I personally don’t see an issue with prices being high even if we are willing to sell. These are high potential players on relatively low wages having come through the youth teams that will be play games as effective and capable back ups. The alternative being players like Tsimikas who are also capable but will command higher wages and transfer fee’s etc. I would say that even if we kept Williams and Kelleher until their contracts ran out, that would be better than selling them and not having the squad depth. This, of course assuming their are not more players coming through behind them.


 

 

 

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12 Jan 2022 07:50:53
Great analysis Ed thanks. I share your optimism and thoughts on Jones and really hope he gets game time so he and Elliot become a big part of our present and future midfield.

{Ed001's Note - that wasn't me mate, I haven't had time to write anything for the last few days. It is only going to be patchy for the next month or so as (fingers crossed) I am emigrating at the end of the month and trying to sort out a visa is a pig these days.}


 

 

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11 Jan 2022 18:22:42
Lots of interesting comments to my OG post. I would hope Salah would stay, but even with one year left and his age he would still fetch a decent enough fee I feel. Despite my OG post I don’t think a full rebuild is actually necessary. I think goalkeeper, defence and midfield is fine, especially in the latter area where I hope Jones and Elliot will provide some additional creativity to our current workhorse midfield. If we were to sell Salah and some other fringe players and bring in Luiz Diaz/ Raphiba and that Fiorentina lad I’d say that would be so bad. I would finish this thread with an observation though. Most club fans get attached to that one special player that’s in the squad and despair when it looks like they might leave. I’v seen it enough times in the last 25 years with Mcmanaman, Fowler, Owen, Nearly Gerrard, Torres, Suarez, Couts etc etc. Thing is we always come through it alright. I love what Salah does on the pitch for us but if he’s going to go then so be it. We’ll be alright. Whatever you think about FSG they want the club to do well so it is worth as much as possible when they sell. They will invest to protect their long terms goals.


 

 

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05 Dec 2021 08:55:55
WYred we complain about squad depth so much I don’t think we should even consider selling him, someone of his ability willing to be a bit part player, loves the club and is loved by the players and fans? Nah I’d keep him, although I do take your point about raising funds. Personally I think he should be starting instead of Mane at the moment as Sadio’s form is dropping off again. Maybe Klopp is saving him for the AFCON.


 

 

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05 Dec 2021 07:21:25
I think it’s a little unfair to say Divock is in furnishing and hasn’t performed to his potential. His app to goal ratio is appalling but he rarley gets a run in the team and when he does he usually score. I recently posted stating goals per minutes played and it’s about a goal every other game. Easily a solid 20-25 goal a season striker in my book and more than deserving of a place in our squad of not the starting 11 at the moment considering Manes current form IMO.


 

 

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05 Dec 2021 07:13:07
I have long been criticised on here for being an advocate of not only Divock staying, but actually being part of the starting 11. I think now is the time for it to be honest more than ever before. Bobby is out, Salah and Jota are in great form but as much as I love him Mane’s early good form is dropped off and he looks the player of last year again, lacking confidence and end product drying up. I would be starting Jota on the left and Divock as number 9. He at the very least deserves a chance to prove he can replace Mane long term with the forward line aging and Divock entering his prime years. Who knows it might even spark Mane back into form as Kostas has done with Robbo!