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05 Oct 2026
05 Oct 2026 12:39:12
Some of the stories flying around about this are insane: City sponsors threatening to sue the Premier League whilst City bases their appeal on a defence that directly contradicts information that they have given authorities in the past and the Saudi government attempting to blackmail the British government by threatening to withdraw funding for things if City are found guilty.

That alone should trigger a failure of the 'fit and proper owner' test and they should not be allowed a financial interest in any Premier League club.

{Ed001's Note - this is nothing to do with Saudis! Please drop the ignorance.}

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05 Oct 2026
05 Oct 2026 11:55:44
Totally agree ed001 and thanks for the reply.
Think the old adage " once a cheat always a cheat " is relevant here.

05 Oct 2026 10:19:28
A question for the Ed's if u would be so kind

If as looks likely, the charges against city are upheld, do we then think they will be investigated for later offences?
I'm only asking because the current charges are up to 2018/2019 I think, so what's to say they haven't continued with their sham sponsorships?

{Ed001's Note - as far as I am aware they are not investigating, but they should be and I would hope it is just that I don't know about it. It would be sensible to check their finances every year, they can't possibly have just been guilty in the years the charges were for, there will be, at the very least, a large overlap with regards to contracts.}

05 Oct 2026 11:36:58
I would hazard a guess that all the money put in during that time would be enough to pad the club for a good few years like Chelsea did under Roman.
If you look at city's dealings recently there net spend is not crazy because they have had so many players to sell to help with that.

Thats why every trophy should be taken from them not just that time period.

05 Oct 2026 12:03:42
Of course, the later years should be investigated. I'm not saying there's a problem with the recent Haaland contract, but how on Earth do you sign a player for the next 8 years at 500, 000 per week? That's a committed outlay of 208 Million until 2034 for just one player.

And I've never gotten my head around buying him initially for only 51 Million (going up to 85 Million). I am so sure there were undisclosed additional amounts involved. How else do you beat clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona (who are confirmed masters at this part of the game)?

05 Oct 2026 11:55:44
Totally agree ed001 and thanks for the reply.
Think the old adage " once a cheat always a cheat " is relevant here.

05 Oct 2026 12:39:12
Some of the stories flying around about this are insane: City sponsors threatening to sue the Premier League whilst City bases their appeal on a defence that directly contradicts information that they have given authorities in the past and the Saudi government attempting to blackmail the British government by threatening to withdraw funding for things if City are found guilty.

That alone should trigger a failure of the 'fit and proper owner' test and they should not be allowed a financial interest in any Premier League club.

{Ed001's Note - this is nothing to do with Saudis! Please drop the ignorance.}

05 Oct 2026 12:40:51
I have asked further down so apologies if it is seen as repeated. However, in the balance of probabilities, will the Womens team who also underwent a significatn transformation over the same years be held to the same account?

05 Oct 2026 12:47:57
You wonder whether the Premier League would leverage the possibility of investigation the more recent years in any negotiations related to appeals, sanctions and the possibility of taking it to the High Court.

Unfortunately, City owners have shown they will stop at absolutely nothing, so its impossible to speculate really. A depressing situation for English football!

05 Oct 2026 12:54:19
The Saudi government has nothing to do with City. I believe you mean the UAE government is the one threatening to pull out of investments since they are the ones who own City.

05 Oct 2026 13:04:54
Yeah, but they all look the same don't they.

05 Oct 2026 14:34:29
Only an Aussie would say something like that! Be careful WdW, irony rarely transcends message boards. ?.

05 Oct 2026 15:13:33
It's like calling the British government the French or the Germans.

All part of Europe so we're all the same surely?

I don't agree with the casual racism allegations though. I think it's just a general geographical ignorance.

05 Oct 2026 15:13:55
Is there any actual real evidence the UAE have threatened to withdraw investment?
All I've seen is "reports say" or "our sources say".

05 Oct 2026 14:22:41
It's always "the Saudis". Probably because a small minority can't actually name another middle Eastern country. Saudi is a fantastic country for the most part in comparison to a lot of the middle East, some of which are complete hell holes.

05 Oct 2026 16:25:32
The city foundation is inflated by the cheating. Therefore anything built on it is directly linked.

I'd expect legally it's almost impossible to prove. Somewhere a line will be drawn if they can prove the practice has stopped. Which i'd like to think it has as soon as the investigation was launched.

This will drag years in the hope the PL effectively give up or resources dry up and I am certain the punishment won't fit the crime.

I think titles go and a huge points reduction. But they'll be straight back up and challenging. I just hope they don't win the league, otherwise another year has gone to the cheats.

05 Oct 2026 16:50:10
I don't think Shipley is racist but an off the cuff remark by WDW ( typical) got us debating it. Absolute blurt ( WDW) why would you even say something like that? You thought it no one else.!

05 Oct 2026 16:51:51
I think a points deduction this season, that will relegate them, further 20-25 points deductions for numerous seasons when they return to the PL, all titles stripped for the period under investigation and a significant fine.

This can't be merely a one and done sanction, they should suffer for their cheating for years to come.

05 Oct 2026 17:52:51
It's not easy being geographically challenged.

Side note: Shipley's not racist, he just finds it hard to differentiate between extraordinarily wealthy Arabs, WDW made a joke about it and it all went straight over Scouse John's head.

05 Oct 2026 18:49:27
Nothing went over my head lad.

05 Oct 2026 22:03:46
@Delvecs, whilst I live in Oz, I'm actually from Liverpool (West Derby). The humour was / is Scouse.

In my opinion, people who either don't know, or can't be bothered checking 1) where City's owners come from and / or 2) can't understand and / or distinguish between the UAE and its constituent states and Saudi Arabia, deserve to be laughed at.

06 Oct 2026 03:10:47
People will say I'm harsh but in my opinion we shouldn't let a burglar keep the stolen goods even if he goes to jail.

They have built a reputation and history on I'll gotten gains. All those gains need to be removed. All trophies removed

They have also totally disrespected the sport, the league and their partners and shouldn't be given the chance to run some David Vs goliath romance campaign by playing good football and charming the lower leagues. It should be a full sporting ban, they shouldn't be given the chance to do damage control. It should be sporting jail.

{Ed666's Note - You cockblocker Nevada I was looking forward to being romanced..

06 Oct 2026 09:26:37
It won't be though, will it? Let's be realistic. The City owners have too many influential friends.
It will be a "deal" to bring an end to legal proceedings and keep City owners engaged, but it will be meaningful punishment.
The players won't all be up for Bosman's - apart from anything else that will just inflate wages even more.

I honestly expect a big fine, maybe over a hundred million and moderate points deductions for several PL seasons.
I would propose 30 points a season for 5 seasons.

Gives them a miniscule chance of winning the league.
Gives them a half chance of getting into the CL.
That way they can still get in to the European competitions even though it will be very tough. More likely they will win a few cup competitions and get in to Europe that way.

06 Oct 2026 09:49:43
@Ron, someone said that at a minimum, City should get a 40 point deduction for 5 years. That way, they need 80 points just to stay up.

What do you think?

06 Oct 2026 10:47:22
Yeah that sort of range Oli. I think 30 will be more acceptable to City to prevent players and owners leaving and to make them drop legal proceedings.

30 means their maximum points net would be 84 which in some seasons would win the title. 70 points to stay up, 90 points to get into to the European conversation.
Feels about right, 90 points is a tough ask.
So 30-40 points is where it'll probably end up, over 40 probably relegates them and may make players and owners leave.

06 Oct 2026 12:32:48
Titles stripped, relegated at least 2 divisions, min 30 points deduction for 5 years, 5 year transfer ban, owners, execs and anyone complicit should all be banned from the league for life.

Anything less than that says "Premier League, Cheaters Welcome!".

07 Oct 2026 08:11:54
Behave @SJL8. Try and find your sense of humour. It must be in there somewhere amongst the PC righteous indignation.

I apologise that I didn't flag it as an attempt at humour but I believe that there was no damage to any Saudi, Emirati or any of the others who all look the same .

05 Oct 2026 02:31:22
Ed 001
Semenyo will be a big threat on Sunday (still really wished we had signed him) and not least of all because Kerkez is utter crap, he really needs the support of the midfield on Sunday but I'm not sure who is the best 3 (still think we need two new recruits) I would personally drop Wirtz for this game
If you could pick one player to replace Kerkez in January, who would that be?

{Ed001's Note - are you being serious? Kerkez is not utter crap at all. He was one of our better players last time out.}

05 Oct 2026 06:51:21
Well said, Kerkez is this season's kicking boy.

05 Oct 2026 07:34:02
They take it in turns @Fat, this week Kirkez, next week Wirtz.

05 Oct 2026 07:57:33
Apparently we've only about 2 or 3 good players?.kerkez just needs to relax a bit.

05 Oct 2026 08:03:29
Kerkez had a great game for Hungary a few days ago too, he will be full of confidence.

05 Oct 2026 09:15:52
@Hughes if you actually have been watching City this season, Semenyo plays on the left while N'diaye plays on the right over the past few games so if Semenyo will be a threat to any of our fullbacks, he will be going against Araujo and I fancy my chances here.

So your attacks on Kerkez went up in smoke if what I mentioned above is true because Kerkez will be going against N'Diaye and once again, I fancy my chances here.

Flo & Patrik for me, it is becoming utterly tiring and tedious at this point with the way some of our fans personally attack our players sometimes out of the blue like this pathetic post. It was Wirtz (still is, btw) and now is Kerkez. Tedious as heck.

05 Oct 2026 09:19:37
Kerkez was being hung out to dry getting no defensive support. He has improved massively now that Iraola has made our setup a bit more solid and Virg is not worrying about his right-sided defensive partner.

05 Oct 2026 09:38:27
I do wonder how much some of the posters on this site actually watch us play. We look solid at the moment, Kerkez is part of that. He's not perfect, but he's playing decently well imo and still only 22.

05 Oct 2026 10:01:50
With you FORNAX, 5 games into the season and people are forgetting about the whole giving everyone a chance after Slot left.

05 Oct 2026 10:05:25
Yep agree with some of the above not OP.

Our whole defence looks much much better VvD is looking like he is not past his best, engaging and imposing and much much less visibly attacking kerkez. JJ blindfolded looks about to be a better option then Konate / Bambi. not comparing the 2 and obviously more factors involved, but the massive shift in defence stability is much akin to when VvD arrived. (As a whole)

I was going to ask what people's thoughts were on the line up. i think i would start Mac Nyoni and Wirtz. if Gakpo is injured Barcola on left, Munoz on right. Rio to come off bench. or even Chiesa for last 10 or 15 if fit. as we are at home and he certainly gets the crowd going to another level! (Got to love the cult favourite)

Looking forward to the game. dreading the build up and the media frenzy circus that will follow it.

05 Oct 2026 10:08:51
I'm not bothered about not signing Semenyo. I really don't see what all the fuss is about.

He has the odd decent game here and there, but just saunters around the pitch for the most part.

Decent player on his day, but doesn't warrant the reputation he seems to have with some.

05 Oct 2026 10:14:11
I'm old enough to remember when Gakpo was the whipping boy.

05 Oct 2026 10:20:30
I am yet to be sold on Kerkez, positionally I think he's weak, a bit rash in challenges, doesn't know when to drop or go tight, and a big frustration of mine he tries slide tackling on the wrong side of his man like Moreno used to, he still really can not cross either.

I think for what we paid we certainly could have gt a far better left back, but there have been improvement on last year, I still believe if a better left back option became available, we should go for them.

05 Oct 2026 10:25:14
I will continue to have a pop at Wirtz and Kerkez, because I can. I'm on record as saying that up till now Wirtz has been a waste of money and Kerkez is just an upgrade on Moreno, nothing more. Let's not run away with the idea that he's the next Roberto Carlos.

05 Oct 2026 11:18:05
I can't imagine the City players heads are going to be fully on the job at hand after all this coming out. Plus the crowd will rattle them. I think they need to be more concerned about us than us of them this time round.

Imagine trying to play effectively against us at Anfield when in the back of your mind your wondering if your going to be playing in the conference next season with the crowd reminding them with every touch.

05 Oct 2026 11:42:47
I think all the tiring and tedius fans should return their best fans in the world badges.

05 Oct 2026 12:12:42
It was tiring and tedious how some of our fans continually and personally attacked the previous head coach.
It was far worse than what I've read about Kerkez and Wirtz.

05 Oct 2026 11:53:26
Because you can or because it's warranted Rome?

05 Oct 2026 11:46:26
I watch us play Fornax. He's not a whipping boy it's just that he's not a great LB. Like I have previously said there's a mistake in him just waiting to happen each and every game. He's unreliable and if we're chasing the titles we don't need that. However, like FW, he absolutely deserves his chances this season under Iraola to prove his worth.

Perhaps he will. In the interim I'm just saying what I see. Sunday will go somewhat towards knowing if his good performance last time out can be replicated but City will beyond doubt target him as a weakness in our defence. Hopefully he'll prove them wrong. I really want to win this one and shove the whole of Anfield down their neck to choke on!

05 Oct 2026 12:13:31
It's like a "flashmob" mentality on here sometimes. Once a player is criticized by a poster (rightly or wongly is not being discussed here), 2 or 3 others will chime in, and then the stampede flows in, elevating it to flashmob status.

And then the whipping boy status lingers regardless of how the player is doing on the pitch. The saving grace is always scoring a goal. Watch how Mac Allister goes up and down in peoples' minds regularly depending on the "blinder" goals he scores. ?.

05 Oct 2026 12:33:49
Kerkez's defensive game is fine. I wouldn't have any issues with him up against Semenyo or any other RW in the Premier League tbh.

I can understand the complaints about the attacking and/or ball progression side of his game, but defensively, he seems fine to me.

05 Oct 2026 12:52:23
Yes FPF. That would be the way I would look at Kerkez also.

05 Oct 2026 12:59:14
People often forget how poor Robertson when he first played for us. He was benched for Moreno after that first game if I remember correctly and many people were saying that he was a poor signing and that Moreno was better. Players take time to adjust especially those who have had two coaches/managers in two seasons.

Moreno is doing alright but I feel that people are just waiting for him to commit one small error before jumping on his back. He was poor when he firsr played for us last season but he has improved a lot since then.

05 Oct 2026 13:13:45
Rome I have to agree on Wirtz so far not sure how much is confidence now because he has regressed a bit now.
Kerkez is a lot better than Moreno but his biggest problem is he just needs to calm down he tries to win everything and it makes him reckless at times his final ball needs improvement but like I say if he just slows down a bit am sure he will improve all aspects of his game.

AI will improve both players am sure my biggest concern is Frimpong who has never shown any signs to say he can make the grade.
After him Gravenberch is the next problem because he just can't pass the ball good enough and I feel he thinks he is just a lot better than he is.

05 Oct 2026 13:22:01

Gonna be an absolute melt down on here if Kerkez, Wirtz & Dom have a great game and we batter City - highly unlikely according to some tho, given how crap they are.

Or flip side we get beat and at least some of our players can have a break from being crap for a few days while we hyperventilate about how City shouldn’t even been in the league.

Enough of this International break b******, let’s get back to proper football and bashing half the squad before a balls been kicked ?‍♂️

05 Oct 2026 14:32:05
If Kerkez was a forward you could say many of his game traits like, unconventional positioning; both relative to his team mates and the opposition, like unpredictable movement on and off the ball, especially in combination play. Making risky high reward passes.

Like stopping play and giving away freekicks. Preserving his legs by using his hands to make blocking tackles. All this would make him a difficult forward to manage for the opposition. unfortunately, as a defender.

He has a lot of improvement to make to become a plus.

05 Oct 2026 17:17:23
Rio, in my humble opinion its warranted.

06 Oct 2026 02:59:06
Hard to keep up, the whipping boy was Dom wasn't it? Maybe it's a Hungarian thing.

06 Oct 2026 09:24:14
I personally hope that Anfield is an absolute cauldron of toxic loathing for those cheating cretins, that would be enough to negatively affect City. Good old fashioned intimidation from the court of public opinion.

06 Oct 2026 09:28:58
We should amalgamate the whipping boys to make it easier to keep up.

Wirtkez.

08 Oct 2026 02:41:00
If you mixed the Hungarians together and had a go at them, would it be a goulash? Sorry ?.

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03 Oct 2026
03 Oct 2026 11:43:05
If they're proven to have broken any laws, then maybe the choice to sell is made for them - Pretty sure Roman had little appetite to be booted out of Chelsea but sometimes decisions aren't always yours to make?

Don't see a world where if this all plays out that they can justify sticking around Ed? - what's the play: ok so we bought the club, bent and broke every rule, delivered success beyond the fans wildest dreams, got caught, got punished, maintained throughout they're not guilty, asked the fans to believe every word of it - then all turns out to be a load of lies - what then? We're sorry for lying and cheating but we're sticking around to keep the dark cloud over the club for as long as we stick around? City fans will forgive them for sure but can't see opposition clubs being as forgiving? For years they've been lauded as some kind a messiah. Do you think they'll have the appetite to hang around and be abused everywhere they go?

Obviously the money is irrelevant to them, I'm more thinking reputational damage and appetite for the PR cluster f**k and continued dark cloud with them sticking around if finally charged and heavily punished?

Gotta be some wealthy opportunists circling and smelling blood in the water? Also outside of sponsoring themselves would outside sponsors fancy being associated with them - from memory we had a few challenges following Suarez issues in terms of sponsors not wanting to associated with certain types of behaviour that can reflect badly on their brand image?

{Ed001's Note - could all have been said about Chelsea before they were bought for crazy money.}

03 Oct 2026 12:03:16
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new player profile about, Jahnoah Markelo

03 Oct 2026 10:56:03
Hi Eds

Random one for you: With Bezos and his pals investing circa $2 billion for circa 30% stake in us that values us at circa $6 billion - there or there abouts.

I'd suggest we are bigger than City but if we pretended all these charges weren't happening I'd have put City valuation close to that figure.

Obviously we are where we are and irrespective of what the final outcome will look like City will have a massive cloud over them now under these owners - which leads me on to my question, given everything that's happening and potential outcomes - do you see City essentially becoming a distressed asset and their value imploding? If I was a gazillionare I'd be offering them £1 to take it off their hands, nowhere near £5/6 Billion.

{Ed001's Note - unless the owners decide to sell, what does it matter?}

03 Oct 2026 11:56:32
Bezos involvement in Liverpool is largely non-existent. He was a headline grabbing name that the media ran with. He just happens to be one of many clients of one of the 3 investment firms that have chipped in. Ironically Abu Dhabi's investment into Red Bird was about as relevant as Bezos' into K5 Sports.

03 Oct 2026 11:43:05
If they're proven to have broken any laws, then maybe the choice to sell is made for them - Pretty sure Roman had little appetite to be booted out of Chelsea but sometimes decisions aren't always yours to make?

Don't see a world where if this all plays out that they can justify sticking around Ed? - what's the play: ok so we bought the club, bent and broke every rule, delivered success beyond the fans wildest dreams, got caught, got punished, maintained throughout they're not guilty, asked the fans to believe every word of it - then all turns out to be a load of lies - what then? We're sorry for lying and cheating but we're sticking around to keep the dark cloud over the club for as long as we stick around? City fans will forgive them for sure but can't see opposition clubs being as forgiving? For years they've been lauded as some kind a messiah. Do you think they'll have the appetite to hang around and be abused everywhere they go?

Obviously the money is irrelevant to them, I'm more thinking reputational damage and appetite for the PR cluster f**k and continued dark cloud with them sticking around if finally charged and heavily punished?

Gotta be some wealthy opportunists circling and smelling blood in the water? Also outside of sponsoring themselves would outside sponsors fancy being associated with them - from memory we had a few challenges following Suarez issues in terms of sponsors not wanting to associated with certain types of behaviour that can reflect badly on their brand image?

{Ed001's Note - could all have been said about Chelsea before they were bought for crazy money.}

03 Oct 2026 14:50:50
City's valuation would be nowhere near Liverpool's, 115 or not.

The new investors value the club at $6billion because of the brand value and its reach/engagement.

City's brand is as artificial as their income and social media following.

Their true brand status is probably no different to that of other midtable PL clubs, and that would only be because of some of the new international supporters they have attracted in the Pep years.

03 Oct 2026 16:20:55
FlyPelicanFly
100% spot on.

03 Oct 2026 17:50:33
FPF - Forbes have them valued at circa $5.5 billion - 3rd in Uk behind us and United, 7th Globally.

So not as far off as you might think mate.

Their first team squad has got to be pushing £2 billion, then the stadium, training ground, academy, hotel, TV money etc - think what you want about the size of the club etc but a regular champs league club in the Prem is worth a lot of cash no matter how big we might think they are - my original question was based on how much has been wiped off that figure now the truth is finally coming out.

03 Oct 2026 18:23:53
Crazy horse, I think valuations in football are pretty pointless. Players, clubs are worth whatever the seller will accept. If Man City owner doesn't want to sell unless he gets £7b, some rich consortium decide they are willing to pay it then that's what the buyer values it at.

04 Oct 2026 00:17:17
Perhaps Mansour could pretend to sell it to ADUG.

There is precedent - Chelsea keep selling bits of their portfolio to themselves. ?.

04 Oct 2026 05:42:51
@Mancini are you saying that one of the 3 or 4 richest men in the world is a ho-hum insignificant event? I'd be willing to wager a small amount that not onl6 does he know what's going on, he'll also have a pretty good idea of club growth expectation over the next 5 or 10 years.

04 Oct 2026 13:27:35
Forbes will be calculating that based on trusting the revenues that have been posted. That is for the birds now.

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02 Oct 2026
01 Oct 2026 21:00:15
From what I gather they are trying to get out of it on the technicality that Premier League said it was the owners money and it wasn't.

So basically they are guilty and sin but they are trying to find a loophole in the court case.

What an absolute joke sometimes the legal system is.

Do you think it'll get them anywhere Ed?

{Ed001's Note - no.}

01 Oct 2026 17:32:46
Ed001, not sure if I'm understanding this correctly or not but City's defence has now shifted to 'the money didn't come from the owners, it came from the UAE government'. Now correct me if I'm wrong, is that not the same thing considering Sheikh Mansour is the vice president?

{Ed001's Note - not really, there are government investment vehicles and companies, but the Emirates keep them separate as a rule, both from the other Emirates and from personal wealth. So they are trying to fudge things, but technically they are separate.}

01 Oct 2026 22:53:22
The can't enter new evidence into an appeal, they should have had that in their defence in the first place.

01 Oct 2026 23:12:08
City saying money didn't come from private owners, money came from government, but the government leaders and controllers of their wealth fund are City's private owners;

• Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Club Owner)
• Vice President of the UAE
• Deputy Prime Minister of the UAE
• Chairman of the UAE Presidential Court
• Brother of the UAE President

• Khaldoon Al Mubarak (Club Chairman)
• Chairman of the Abu Dhabi Executive Affairs Authority
• CEO of Mubadala (Abu Dhabi's state sovereign wealth fund)
• Board Member of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company

It's absolutely comical that they're trying to claim that 1. It's the government's money, and 2. Because it's the government's money, it has nothing to do with the owners. This is the most blatant piece of cheating I've ever seen. This is just a case of moronic spoilt brats doing whatever they want because nobody's ever challenged them, I really hope they get a lifetime ban, they should never be allowed near a football team again.

02 Oct 2026 00:32:53
Dear Manchester City, you are now telling lies about the lies you were found guilty of when adjudged by the independent panel.

Apart from the fact that you are lying about lying, as has been said, you can't now actually enter the lies as evidence in a case that has already made a judgement.

There is a saying that 'two wrongs don't make a right' but in this case two wrongs actually make an even bigger wrong.

Nice to see the lads from His Majesty's Revenue and Customs have been given a shout.

To misquote the Bay City Rollers,

'Bye, bye City, City good bye'

P. S. Not only is the PM, trying to defend the indefensible is a mealy mouthed manner, according to the BBC he's also an Everton fan. The country's going to sh#t.

{Ed078's Note - according to him he's an Everton fan, always has been.

02 Oct 2026 00:47:27
The deputy PM is a Man City fan and she made a joke about the investigation during the Labour Party Conference.
Biggest scandal in English football, possibly global football, and they're joking about it and supporting the perpetrators.

02 Oct 2026 03:30:34
I highly recommend watching the Overlap piece on y/t with Carra and Ornstein.

{Ed666's Note - Kate Scott…Would you or wouldn’t you??

01 Oct 2026 21:00:15
From what I gather they are trying to get out of it on the technicality that Premier League said it was the owners money and it wasn't.

So basically they are guilty and sin but they are trying to find a loophole in the court case.

What an absolute joke sometimes the legal system is.

Do you think it'll get them anywhere Ed?

{Ed001's Note - no.}

02 Oct 2026 08:23:50
The defence city have put in the public domain is the same defence that they put to the panel who said we don't believe you. This is therefore not new evidence.

02 Oct 2026 10:38:43
Jari, and this is the wave City will ride into oblivion.

Claim they are innocent and that the PL is out to get them and their delusional fans will lap it all up and play the victim till the end.

On their way to League 2, I hope.

02 Oct 2026 11:45:55
Stripping of titles, sent to league 2, and their owners now failing the fitness test for ownership.

They made a mockery of the rules and the league.

Interesting to see the fall out, in employment law, there has to be a level of trust between employee and employer (duty of mutual trust and confidence). A lot of talent could be going to Madrid and Barcelona for free when this is all done and dusted.

02 Oct 2026 12:22:49
I don't see how it coming from the government is any better? Surely the agreements were inflated regardless and that's the issue.

Add to the fact they will try to delay the appeal because it will fall under the old timescales and that says everything you need to know. If I was innocent I'd want my name cleared tomorrow. I wouldn't be kicking the can down the road.

As for punishment, I'd throw them out the league but looks like the money men will bottle that decision. They have done as they pleased and tarnished the league, robbed fans of memories and then had the audacity to claim woe is me and they are out to get me. Get them gone, and maybe United can buy the stadium and stop public money going to a vanity project. They can't go to league 2 without approval from the EFL clubs, and why would they accept them as they'd just be accepting a smaller chance at promotion? Send them down to the bottom of the pyramid and let them take their medicine.

Personally think they will get a huge 'gesture' fine which will be relegation. But ultimately will mean nothing as they'll bounce straight back.

02 Oct 2026 12:27:22
The interim Prime Minister can't decide if he's from Manchester or Liverpool. Even makes slight changes to the bizarre hybrid accent depending on what he is trying to achieve that day.

02 Oct 2026 10:06:55
Ed666, Happily married for 26 years and not into Ozempic face so there's your answer : p.

{Ed666's Note - congratulations mate I commend you for the length of your marriage. What’s your secret?

02 Oct 2026 15:32:58
His length.

02 Oct 2026 15:42:15
He hasn't spoken to her for 25, works a treat!

01 Oct 2026 22:53:22
The can't enter new evidence into an appeal, they should have had that in their defence in the first place.

{Ed078's Note - according to him he's an Everton fan, always has been.

02 Oct 2026 03:30:34
I highly recommend watching the Overlap piece on y/t with Carra and Ornstein.

{Ed666's Note - Kate Scott…Would you or wouldn’t you??

{Ed001's Note - no.}

02 Oct 2026 08:23:50
The defence city have put in the public domain is the same defence that they put to the panel who said we don't believe you. This is therefore not new evidence.

02 Oct 2026 10:06:55
Ed666, Happily married for 26 years and not into Ozempic face so there's your answer : p.

{Ed666's Note - congratulations mate I commend you for the length of your marriage. What’s your secret?

02 Oct 2026 15:32:58
His length.

02 Oct 2026 15:42:15
He hasn't spoken to her for 25, works a treat!

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01 Oct 2026
01 Oct 2026 09:34:27
Who would you start on the right if Gakpo is out Ed001?

{Ed001's Note - Munoz.}

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01 Oct 2026 06:13:26
Cheers Ed001 Gapko's injury looked fairly sore been our best forward this season really can't be without him for the cittee game hope he's fit.

{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed mate!}

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01 Oct 2026 09:34:27
Who would you start on the right if Gakpo is out Ed001?

{Ed001's Note - Munoz.}

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01 Oct 2026 06:13:26
Cheers Ed001 Gapko's injury looked fairly sore been our best forward this season really can't be without him for the cittee game hope he's fit.

{Ed001's Note - fingers crossed mate!}

30 Sep 2026 22:04:47
Ed001, I asked you a question the other day regarding reports of the government being worried about the Man City verdict affecting relations between the UK and the UAE and you said you doubted that was the case. I was hoping you were right.

What do you make of the prime ministers statement today? I think it's an absolute disgrace he's even gotten involved. It's a football matter and the prime minister should not be commenting on the matter before the punishment has even been handed down!

{Ed001's Note - I never realised how much of a dick he would turn into once he had something to lose. He should have kept out of it and instead should be doing stuff that matters, but he has shown himself to be open to corruption by accepting enormous donations to get him in office.}

01 Oct 2026 07:26:07
If it was a small business caught doing what they doing the book would be thrown at them immediately.

01 Oct 2026 07:38:10
It'll be interesting to see what happens because they really should throw the book at them but I fear that they won't because they are afraid to. But if they don't throw the book at them, then it takes the whole game into disrepute. It's kind of like in Northern Ireland, where I live and I'm sure the same in rest of UK. 2 people from different social backgrounds commit the exact same crime, and the person from the more affluent social background will usually get off with it. "Boys will be boys" and all that.

I really hope they do get a reasonable punishment but as a Liverpool fan, I want to look forward and not back. I get no pleasure from being awarded a 2019 title in 2028. If they start doing that, then relegated teams and teams that missed Europe will also want to be acknowledged. I think a big points deduction and a hefty hefty fine which should go into grass roots football would be the most sensible thing to do.

01 Oct 2026 08:22:01
Andy Burnham was asked a question and answered it. Maybe he should have been more evasive but a lot of other PL clubs will be 'very concerned' if City's owners sell up because of the uncertainty and for commercial reasons.

Jurgen Klopp was also asked a question, answered it and and spoke respectfully about Man City.

The independent commission will decide the sanctions on City. If you want City expelled from the PL, then Liverpool FC and all other clubs, will vote on that. Again, for commercial reasons, there's a chance that Liverpool will vote against the expulsion of City from the PL.
Clubs know what sort of revenue City bring and they will be very reluctant to lose it.
It's the modern game.

01 Oct 2026 08:42:11
@rigsby Jurgen Klopp isn't the prime minister so is free the comment on it however he wishes. Andy Burnham should know any comment the leader of the country makes could easily influence any decision or punishment handed down. It is at the very best naive, at worst prejudicial!

01 Oct 2026 08:43:26
Fact is he wasn't more evasive did he Rigsby, he was very clear on his thoughts.

01 Oct 2026 08:51:58
Barnham should have just moved away from that issue and just said it was a PL/City issue and would wait for all the facts to come out when all is said and done esp. as the leader of the country.

01 Oct 2026 09:23:18
Rigsby - can you explain to me exactly how any other premiership team benefits from the revenue City generate?

Unless I am wrong this whole issue is a direct result of how every other club has not benefited by the revenue they have been generating?

City are 1 of 20 teams that form the premiership - I would argue the opposite to your suggestion, should all these charges play out - the Prem and every other club stand to be tainted if City are allowed to stay.

01 Oct 2026 09:12:48
I fully agree Oli. Stupidity at its finest.

01 Oct 2026 09:13:44
"I do actually thank the City Football Group and the wider ownership for the money that they didn't just put into the Etihad and the campus around it but also into the city, " Burnham said.

He's up to his neck in it.
Better start drafting his resignation speech.

01 Oct 2026 09:15:30
Burnham should have kept his mouth shut.

01 Oct 2026 09:46:58
I'd agree with that Crazyhorse.

The PL has benefitted from the players City have brought into the competition no doubt. Haaland, Silva, De Bruyne etc. and even Pep would have increased the PL's popularity and global interest but the top players will still play in the PL without City.

If City go back to the EFL where they undoubtably belong the PL will be just fine.

I'd worry more about not expelling City and what kind of message that sends out. It would show the world that the PL is happy to accept corruption and cheating as long as it makes money from it.

The whole league would be tainted. I've loved football all my life and it would certainly make me have a rethink about where football is headed.

The sanction has to be similar to an athlete who has taken PEDs. A ban from competing at the highest level for a number of years.

01 Oct 2026 10:04:05
JK_RED, what did you make of Klopp's comments?
The independent commission shouldn't be swayed by comments from the PM. They could be but it wouldn't be independent and therefore not fit for purpose. But Burnham commented on a scenario that might not even happen.
He expressed concern, maybe unwisely, on the owners selling up, not being punished.

Crazy Horse, you must know what sort of revenue City generates?
Take Sky Sports, for example. How many times will City be on TV compared, to say, Hull City?

Sky Sports wants to show Liverpool v City. It wants the big games. Compare it to what Sky will pay Championship clubs.
City are also a big draw at away grounds. Fans of other clubs want to see City. They want to see Haaland, Aguero, de Bruyne etc.

Sponsorship. This will increase for other clubs because companies want to be seen when City and Haaland are in town. There will be more exposure. Smaller clubs also benefit from huge sponsorship shirt deals with the likes of City and boot deals for the likes of Haaland.

Clubs will be 'very concerned' if City is expelled from the PL. They are in the same business.

01 Oct 2026 10:07:39
Another possibility is: the independent commission votes for expulsion from the PL and the other clubs vote against it so City escape any punishment.

01 Oct 2026 10:10:03
"I do actually thank the City Football Group and the wider ownership for the money that they didn't just put into the Etihad and the campus around it but also into the city, "

Ron, this is what you get with a man who clearly has no filter and lacks any type of awareness at all. In fact, I think he is being honest here. This is not an error in judgment, imo.

Even more dangerously, this quote right here is absolute bonkers from a man who is the leader of a country esp. with all the context and information out in the public about this immense scandal.

Absolute madness.

01 Oct 2026 12:24:12
Rigsby, Klopp was denied 3 titles by the cheaters, there's nobody more affected by City's cheating, the Prime Minister should be concerning himself with homelessness and crime rates. Absolute disgrace for him to be even hinting at favouritism, as Digger said if it was a small family-owned business doing the same they'd have the book thrown at them. Burnham said

"I can't intervene MORE in the process."

So he's already showing bias in the favour of a group that's not only been cheating, but also committing fraud on an incredible scale. 'Prime minister' or not, do you take pride in defending somebody like that?

01 Oct 2026 11:47:40
It's very clear to me that Burnham is trying to influence the decision of the independent football regulator.

Burnham was a vocal supporter of the establishment of the IFR during the Premier Leagues action against Everton. So Burnham's voice was already influential regarding the IFR and now he's PM.

David Kogan is chair of the IFR and regarding the City case he said

"The IFR has powers to assess the suitability of owners, directors and executives and we will use these powers where appropriate, in the interests of protecting the sustainability, honesty and integrity of English football where there is clear evidence of wrongdoing by individuals."

Followed by Prime Minister Andy saying.

"I would be really concerned to lose them.
"They've been such a huge partner in the building of modern Manchester and obviously the building of Manchester City into the global force that it is."

If that's not political interference then .

01 Oct 2026 12:34:36
Bloody hell scousers turning on a Labour PM, the 'King of the North'. City's owners really have caused a ruckus.

01 Oct 2026 14:16:09
I'm not defending Burnham. I said I've no problem with him being 'really concerned' about City's owners selling up after their investment into Manchester.
Being really concerned isn't a big deal to me and the owners might not even sell up anyway.

It was a throwaway comment about a hypothetical situation.
If you lot want to be concerned about someone being really concerned about something that might not happen, it's ok with me ?.

01 Oct 2026 14:25:44
For the record, and I've said it more than once, City should just accept the committee's decision and sanctions that are imposed.
For those advocating more extreme sanctions:: that could backfire and play into the hands of City's lawyers.

01 Oct 2026 14:56:39
You've posted multiple comments over at least 2 threads that clearly display you're leaning towards support for Burnham in the disgraceful remarks he's made, you're only backing up now because I laid it out bluntly.

01 Oct 2026 14:59:01
"I can't intervene MORE in the process."

Exactly, Chewy. This guy is a mess and a half.

I mean, who says this under these circumstances?

02 Oct 2026 05:22:42
If Burnham was any sort of politician, instead of being wrapped up in self-importance he would have batted the questions away with 'no comment' or 'can't comment at this time'.

The fact that he chose to answer (ego notwithstanding) suggests to me that he is either incredibly naive and shouldn't lead a school raffle never mind the Prime Minister, or was making an incredibly stupid political statement and was fully aware of what he was saying and why he said it. Either way, he seems to me to be unfit to run a booze up in a brewery.

02 Oct 2026 09:43:52
Ok, Chewy.
Yeah, I'm backing up because you laid it so bluntly.
Ta, lad.