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15 May 2024 09:26:41
Just to let you guys know Alison rumoured to be of interest to an Arab team just sold his house this is why i think he does not want to be here but you guys will not let anyone have an opinion but thanks for your comments I take them on board.

iwillbered

1.) 15 May 2024 09:42:09
He's far too good for the Arab league.


2.) 15 May 2024 09:51:51
He's sold his house because he's just had a brand new one built round the corner.


 

 

 

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28 May 2024 09:34:30
Ryan Gravenberch had a bad couple of seasons at Bayern Munich and his confidence was shot to pieces by Thomas Tuchel. But in the last few games, i can see his confidence returning slowly and green shoots are appearing to come through. I think with a Dutch coach, we may well see the real Ryan Gravenberch next season YNWA.

iwillbered

1.) 28 May 2024 09:48:43
Didn't Gravenberch only play for Bayern for one season, mostly under Nagelsmann then under Tuchel for like 2 months. So not sure how his confidence would have been shot to pieces by Tuchel.

From his performances with us, he has shown that he has the potential to make it with us but he has only showed it in flashes thus far. He still has time on his side though and I would like to see how he progresses under Slot next season.


2.) 28 May 2024 10:36:28
I think Grav is playing for his future under the new manager, alongside a few others in the midfield like Jones, Bajcetic (injuries), Morton.

Personally I think only two of the above four will survive.

I’d move them on and bring in Ederson to give us physicality and legs in the midfield.


3.) 28 May 2024 10:39:52
Although Grav didn't set the world alight he does offer something different to the other midfielders. He is best at receiving the ball on the half turn and then running at the opposition. He also looks like he has some goals in him.

A lot have written him off and want him to be sold this summer but I like him and think that he is definitely worth at least another season. It is likely that the midfield setup will be slightly different under Slot which may (or may not) suit him better, he will be more settled and like you say the Dutch link may benefit him.

Although the club have done what they can to smooth the transition from Klopp, the fact is that there is massive change at the club this summer. We may well see some top players struggling and 'squad' players thriving. let's just strap in and enjoy it!


4.) 28 May 2024 11:54:50
In fairness to the lad he's only a year older than Elliot so I'd definitely like to see him given another year at least to progress with the club next season.


5.) 28 May 2024 12:10:29
Bajetic is meant to have discipline problems too and gakpo says in recent interview that he is late for everything which is not good attitude for aspiring top player hope he doesn’t destroy potential from bad mistakes.


6.) 28 May 2024 12:27:46
Where has this BajcEtic discipline problblem come from?


7.) 28 May 2024 13:03:08
Like I said the gakpo interview, he was asked to describe bacjetic and he said always late, maybe nothing but it doesn’t look good for me.


8.) 28 May 2024 13:19:12
You do make a good point there Jk23. Personally I can't see it working out for him but it'll be interesting to see how he will do under slot. Fingers crossed for him of course. I do hope he does well. I'm always wrong so he's going to smash it next season, just watch lol.


9.) 28 May 2024 13:44:16
If he cannot add aggression to his game, he won't fulfil his potential. The new coaches will need to find a way to unlock that.


10.) 28 May 2024 14:32:45
Jesus christ colonel, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill?.


11.) 28 May 2024 14:46:59
I think it’s a stretch to say “Bajetic is meant to have discipline problems” based on a jokey comment from a teammate in an interview.

He’s 19. He’s a teenager. I wouldn’t say he’s got discipline problems but maybe I’m a soft touch.


12.) 28 May 2024 15:18:22
Everyone will be getting a chance to impress the new manager for the most part so those who were on the edge of the squad like Gravenberch was, will be able to stake his claim.

Personally, I would keep him for another seasonto see what he can do cos the natural talent is there, IMO. He just needs to add all the other things required to be a good LFC midfielder to his game.


13.) 28 May 2024 16:02:58
Why does the idea persist that because people are from the same country things will work out for the best. I was born in England and I can guarantee you that I didn’t like everybody in England. I’m an Australian citizen now and, again, I don’t like all Australians who know what Slot’s relationship with RG will turn out to be.


14.) 28 May 2024 16:08:44
I think the Dutch players could all end up doing well under Slot, given his philosophy is an adaptation of the Dutch 'Total Football' model. That model is still the foundation for Dutch football today and therefore something the likes of Gakpo, Virgil, Gravenberch and Sepp vdB will all have grown up around. Gravenberch in particular was a product of the Ajax academy where 'Total Football' has been ingrained throughout the club for decades.

{Ed025's Note - but sometimes that total football ethic does not always fit with the pace of the premiership MK, you dont get time on the ball like you do in Holland mate and thats why players like Donny VDB etc were like fish out of water, just my opinion of course..


15.) 28 May 2024 16:34:44
I don't think Gravenberch is adaptable enough to survive. He would be best as a number 10 and he's not good enough to play out wide or in a deeper central position. We have an abundance of players I'd prefer as an advanced 8 or 10, both on ability and their adaptability: Mac Allister, Jones, Szoboslzai, Elliott, even Bobby Clark. They all have him beat on both counts. I'd normally be in favour of him having another chance under the new manager but I just can't see where he fits in unfortunately.


 

 

26 May 2024 14:40:37
@westwood, I have watched every game, including the 3pm kick offs and Joe Gomez has never been better than VVD and never will be better than VVD.

As for Quansah, he is learning his game but I would put him before joe every day of the week. Gomez has been at the club for one reason, Klopp never wanted to let one of his boys leave so Gomez was kept here.

His decision making when he has time is awful. 9 times out of 10 he misses placing his passes. he gets caught out of position or he is ball watching. I am not slagging Gomez off, I am pointing out in my opinion his failures, which he commits on 90% of the games he plays in and he is surplus to LFC and he knows this. that is why he has asked to leave. he knows he does not have klopp at the club to cover his back.

iwillbered

1.) 26 May 2024 15:14:24
Gomez isn’t a Klopp boy he was bought by Rodgers.


2.) 26 May 2024 16:33:15
I think people want him to succeed because he’s a nice guy but if they take off the red tinted specs they will see he can’t effectively play simple 2 touch football, his delivery from wide areas is poor, his incessant need to shoot from 25 yards is infuriating, he is aerially weak hence why he’s not even sent forward for corners, he is positionally inept, and bottles out of 50/ 50’s far too often for such a big bloke.

He’s simply not top level. Any neutral can see it. Yes he still has decent recovery pace and is versatile, but he’s just not good enough. He’s been nowhere near our best defender this season contrary to what I keep reading. He’s been called up to England because Southgate has no fit left backs. Virgil got nominated for POTY, Quansah and Bradley had exceptional breakthrough campaigns even getting picked ahead of Gomez in his two preferred positions, Konate and Matip were both ahead of him when fit, and the only reason Gomez got so much game time at LB is because Robbo struggled with injury all year and Tsimikas is an even worse footballer.

Sentiment aside, Gomez has to go. He’s long over due a move. Being English and not caring whether he plays or not aren’t good enough reasons to keep him. You have to be ruthless and he’s a player we can easily upgrade on. Same goes for Tsimikas who is equally bad but at least takes an okay corner. Matip and Thiago have rightfully not been offered new deals given their injury records. These 4 players have held us back with lack of ability and availability. It’s a squad game nowadays and they are all weak links in the squad.


3.) 26 May 2024 16:55:05
Agree to disagree.


4.) 26 May 2024 17:11:50
Very harsh on Gomez imo. He was quality in the year we won the league next to VVD and has had some issues since (injuries and mental) . He’s not turned in to a bad player overnight and can get back to where he was with some confidence and a run at CB.


5.) 26 May 2024 17:42:46
Brommers that was 5 years ago mate. How long can we cling to that before it gets ridiculous? Maybe buy back Firmino? He was world class 5 years ago.


6.) 26 May 2024 18:25:33
Gomez is versatile and I'd keep him for that reason. W Bradley and Gomez as our full backs our back four was far more solid when Trent and Robertson were out injured.


7.) 26 May 2024 18:45:47
MKS is correct. Gomez ain't the player he was back then, and that much is pretty clear. however saying Gomez oo-utplayed VVD this season is some crazy stuff cos he doesn't even play CB anymore.


8.) 26 May 2024 21:18:08
I know Rogers bought Gomez, but Klopp loved him as was shown in how he kept him in the squad when we could all see he was not the player he was. For all you guys who have said he is a squad player keep him do not think by doing this will hamper talent who need to make the break through like Bradley has saved the club millions .

Let me remind you gents and ladies the
best managers of LFC have moved on far better players than Gomez because they could spot a decline in the player Danny Ings for example.
I have no axe to grind over Gomez I really appreciate how good the lad was before his bad injuries but when your time at the club is up then it time to move on he can still play for lesser team no disrepect ment.


9.) 27 May 2024 00:40:22
No-one said that Oli. VVD is still our best CB and no-one was comparing performances by position. But that VVD is our best defender on the back of last season's defensive efforts isn't really saying much is it? They were all awful IMO. If Gomez is rubbish then so are the rest of them because our best defensive efforts came when Gomez came in to cover Injuries. If Gomez should go for not being good enough, then we should replace the whole defence. Seeing as that isn't going to happen, I'm not going to dunk on a player that seems to the popular whipping boy right now on here for some reason, just like Jones, Jota, and others before him. In a week or two it'll be someone else. Boring.


10.) 27 May 2024 02:38:20
Gomez worst performances came when he was either played, bizarrely, as a defensive midfielder, or as an inverted fullback. If he’s played as a normal overlapping fullback he has the pace to get up and down, to recover, and does have a good cross on him. He was not utilized properly and it’s probably why it was said he played best at left back: because he wasn’t required to invert and try and be a part of the midfield.


11.) 27 May 2024 05:01:26
“Including the 3pm kick-offs” - comedy gold ???.


12.) 27 May 2024 08:47:04
Gomez is a great squad player. He may not be first choice in a fully fit squad but he can play right across the back line seems happy enough knowing this. Sorry to keep saying the word “SQUAD ” but that’s what we need players capable of being bit part players. Waiting for chance knowing they could get 10-20-30 games. Not a lot of players out there who we could convince to play that role and be capable of it too.


13.) 27 May 2024 10:54:27
That's it Scouse John. No-one here has said Gomez is the answer to our prayers and will be the stalwart in a league winning defence. But a squad needs capable utility players and I don't think you will find one that combines experience, ability, attitude, versatility and HG quota across the backline than the man we already have. So why get rid and need to cover with 2/ 3 others?


 

 

22 May 2024 08:49:49
What exactly does Curtis Jones contribute? He either goes around in circles or he passes backwards or tries to curl a shot in the top corner without ever hitting the target. If he wasn't a scouser, he would not be any where near the Liverpool team.

iwillbered

1.) 22 May 2024 08:58:07
When I say this I am not trying to be a Pratt but I believe I was actually a better player than him at this stage of his career.
The mind boggles as to how he's managed to get a career at a top side.
None the less let's hope he can win more trophies with us. Once his contract is up I personally wouldn't be looking to renew it.


2.) 22 May 2024 09:12:43
That’s a bit harsh. He is not as bad as you are both saying but equally he is no where near as good as many on here believe. Jones can put a good run of quality performances together but then will get injured and stink the place out when he returns. For me he doesn’t create enough, he is slow on the ball and runs in treacle when trying to run back. He has been given so many chances and next season if he stays he will be around 8th choice in midfield.


3.) 22 May 2024 09:15:28
I think Jones is a decent squad player for us.

He’s had his injury issues over the last few seasons though and has only started 36 league games in the league.

36 of 114 isn’t great but it’s also hardly Thiago and Arthur levels.

But saying that I’ve just checked and during the same period Thiago has started 28 league games (0 this season) .

Jones is still a decent option though and all top teams have top quality players and decent players in their squad.


4.) 22 May 2024 09:44:41
I consider him to be a useful squad player, no more than that. When everyone is fit, I can see him playing around 15-20 games a season. If he has ambition, and I assume has, he would be looking at more than that, so it begs the question, does his future lie elsewhere? If he's happy to fight for a place, he's useful to have as back up.


5.) 22 May 2024 10:01:07
15 to 20 games I doubt he would settle for that. But you would hope he will try to impress the new manager. How much do you think he is worth if we sell him £25m?


6.) 22 May 2024 10:14:30
Oh, me, me, me, can I pick a random player for criticism tomorrow or is there already a list?

{Ed025's Note - there is a list WDW and a very large queue, you are on the list but nowhere near the top mate.. :)


7.) 22 May 2024 10:16:02
forgive my ignorance but wasn't everyone going mental at how good he was back end of last season? and at the start of the season just gone?

he was dropped due to bad form and Elliot came in and was good nothing more. Jones is a very good squad player to have in the team be it starting or coming from the bench with how many games footballers player this year he'll play 30/ 40 games a year if he can stay fit and that's the big Asterix with him his injury's that's it he has the talent and aptitude.


8.) 22 May 2024 10:21:14
I really like Curtis, I think he’s an excellent water carrier who is brilliant at keeping the ball and actually quite good at pressing now. His ability to get out of tight spaces is a joy to watch. Only issue is his injuries. I think his ability warrants one last season under the new manager before considering moving him on.

{Ed025's Note - very average for me AW, even looking past his injury record he does not do enough for me mate, most of his play is either sideways or backwards and even though he gets a lot of touches does very little of any consequence with it..


9.) 22 May 2024 10:30:56
It's amazing how finished 3rd with so many awful players and an awful assistant manager who was dictating horrible unsuccessful tactics.

{Ed025's Note - good point that SR..


10.) 22 May 2024 10:31:02
this feels a bit like lashing out when you aren't managing your emotions very well. Blame Klopp.


11.) 22 May 2024 10:39:45
When someone starts a post with ‘what exactly does (insert random player name) contribute’ I don’t bother reading the rest as the poster obviously has no idea about football.

Every player contributes something or the manager wouldn’t pick them. They analyse the data to the minutest detail to see if said player is contributing enough.

So you see the fact that Jones plays tells you he is contributing to what the manager wants whether you see it or not.

If you don’t agree with the manager, coaches and data analysts then maybe your question should be ‘what does Jurgen Klopp contribute? ’. You obviously believe that you could do better.


12.) 22 May 2024 10:41:10
@iwillbered

The two most recent posts on the banter page are your posts.

One having a pop at jones and the other having a pop at Salah.

Slow day at the office?


13.) 22 May 2024 10:45:27
Jones is fine, good squad player and lots of ability on the ball when playing with confidence. I would play him in midfield over Elliot any day of the week. Will always give you a 6/ 7 out of 10 performance when needed whereas someone like Grav could easily drop a 2 out of 10 stinker although arguably has more talent.


14.) 22 May 2024 10:47:33
What about Elliot Ed25? You're Everton fan, so your opinion is not is a bit bias I guess.

{Ed025's Note - im not biased actually mfahmee, i just say it how i see it mate, and it does not matter if its an Everton, Liverpool or any other player i just give my honest view, i happen to rate Elliot and think he brings energy and pace to the team, im a big fan of his..


15.) 22 May 2024 10:52:03
Curtis was our best midfielder until the Spurs red card.

He then picked up an injury while on suspension - his biggest issue.

Returned to the side and was again probably our best midfielder again until he got injured again at Brentford. He's not been able to get back to form since.

We really missed his composure when he was not in the team.

His biggest issue is staying fit. If he can do that, he's an excellent midfielder with a very high ceiling.

If we want to stop games resembling basketball games, then we need more players like Curtis available.


16.) 22 May 2024 11:09:58
Jones holds on to the ball a second too long. And gives up possession. That second makes a big difference in the unforgiving PL. I can't see him sorting that at this point.


17.) 22 May 2024 11:34:41
Endo3 - I disagree that Curtis gives up possession. He almost never gives the ball away. That's what he's incredible at, even when under pressure. A bit like Gini that way.

On holding onto the ball too long. Yes, that can be levelled at him although I think he has improved that this season.


18.) 22 May 2024 11:53:07
Jones reminds me of Wijnaldum. Very good at protecting the ball and works very hard. Will even score you the odd goal.

However like Gini, his all around game is extremely limited. His passing range especially is an issue. There's absolutely nothing expansive about his game, and he also doesn't look to play the killer pass even when it's on and actually quite simple to execute.

He definitely contributes (just as Gini did) but he does so by being press resistant and also by being willing to get about and help with our press too. Until we see how Slot wants to set up the midfield, it is impossible to call the future for Jones at Liverpool. I'd sell him because of his injuries, but he is clearly very good at holding onto the ball and wriggling out of high pressure situations. It's just that once he does that he needs to learn to give it to someone else quicker so that they can hurt the opposition, like Gini used to.

What we really want is a player like Thiago who can wriggle out of a press and then hurt teams themselves. But Thiago could never stay fit either.


19.) 22 May 2024 11:53:02
God there is some nonsense on here this morning!


20.) 22 May 2024 11:53:07
Jones reminds me of Wijnaldum. Very good at protecting the ball and works very hard. Will even score you the odd goal.

However like Gini, his all around game is extremely limited. His passing range especially is an issue. There's absolutely nothing expansive about his game, and he also doesn't look to play the killer pass even when it's on and actually quite simple to execute.

He definitely contributes (just as Gini did) but he does so by being press resistant and also by being willing to get about and help with our press too. Until we see how Slot wants to set up the midfield, it is impossible to call the future for Jones at Liverpool. I'd sell him because of his injuries, but he is clearly very good at holding onto the ball and wriggling out of high pressure situations. It's just that once he does that he needs to learn to give it to someone else quicker so that they can hurt the opposition, like Gini used to.

What we really want is a player like Thiago who can wriggle out of a press and then hurt teams themselves. But Thiago could never stay fit either.


21.) 22 May 2024 13:13:48
The reason we finished third was as much about how bad Chelsea, Utd etc actually are. We can improve a lot next season.


22.) 22 May 2024 13:14:35
I take your point, Something Red. I wasn't having a go at Jones, just giving my opinion of him, as I've stated. Regards to the assistant manager, I fully agree with you. After Hitler he must be the most hated person that's ever lived, by some!


23.) 22 May 2024 13:29:01
How bad our forwards were in the last 6 weeks you mean, we should have finished first.


24.) 22 May 2024 13:30:07
But how many seasons do you give a player to show they can stay fit? He's a good player when all the stars are aligned but if he can't stay fit then isn't the best option to replace him with someone who has a better injury record. Before people jump in of course a new player 'could' also get injured but Curtis has form that's very obvious . We had Matip, Thiago, Curtis, JOTA, Konate who all missed a lot of time through injury, Matip and Thiago now being moved on but good sense would also include looking at others who spend a lot of time not playing. Though I'm 100% sure the club are looking into this and it's not just us who see these concerns.


25.) 22 May 2024 13:43:52
JN, we rode our luck a bit too often then got found out. The forwards, midfield and defence all dropped off. Even Allison did. Other sides got stronger and we faded badly. Improvement can be made in all areas I believe. Whether that’s better tactics or better players time will tell.


26.) 22 May 2024 14:08:21
First time you’ve made me laugh Walter.
Simple matter of the fact is that if Liverpool had their shooting boots on in just a handful of key games this season then there would be a 20th league title in the trophy cabinet.
This picking apart of random players to have a dig at is infantile.


27.) 22 May 2024 12:21:55
Most fans had jones Macca and szoboslai as our starting midfield for the season due to jones and szoboslai pressing and determination . Now they’re all s**t and should be sold .

Love it

Jones was a forward in the academy and had to learn the role he was deployed in for us over a few seasons as it wasn’t/ isn't his natural game .

Szoboslai was a forward at leipzig again had to adapt to a new role and team and I fear went too hard too quick hence the the
Injury and loss of form

. Macca played further forward in a double pivot and was entrusted with a new role and was adapting to a new team and a new role

I think we can cut these lads a bit of slack and say maybe just maybe they are all very good players and maybe we play them in a more natural position we might have 1 hell of a team on our hands that’s not blaming klopp or pep but maybe circumstance .

Can’t wait for next season ??.


28.) 22 May 2024 14:24:25
Semi i agree that our finishing towards the end of the season wasnt great but also on the other hand in the games we didn't win we actually scored plenty apart from Palace and Everton.

In that run we managed to score the below amongst those teams but we then conceded the same amount or more which tells me we were missing our defensive boots also

Villa 3
West Ham 2
Utd 2
Utd 3

I think i actually seen a stat that this was our 2nd highest goals for in a Premier league campaign.


29.) 22 May 2024 14:53:22
I wouldn’t criticise Curtis’s ability rather his durability.
I think if he could have sustained runs in the side he’d flourish.
He has plenty of ability.


30.) 22 May 2024 16:18:07
Anyone claiming Curtis loses possession of the ball too easily needs to lay off the magic mushrooms.


31.) 22 May 2024 21:27:54
Jones flatters to deceive at times. He had a good run early this year until the injury problems returned. He takes too long to get up to speed, then when he does he gets injured. That’s the story of his career. If he stayed fit aged be more consistent. That’s the sum of it.


32.) 22 May 2024 23:56:57
I'd except a offer for him to be fair, not up the standard of a top 4 team. There is better out there and his injury record is very poor.


33.) 23 May 2024 01:16:14
I was told by a high up individual in the inner circle of the club that Norah Jones was Brad and Curtis sister, if this is true her beautiful soprano voice will work perfectly at the base of our midfield.


34.) 23 May 2024 18:49:36
@Beckers pecker, I was going to say the exact same thing. Stopped reading after that opening waffle.


35.) 24 May 2024 12:52:12
Jones under Slot will have better freedom for forward play, not the possession nonsense Ljinders pushed on us, his style and way of playing will suit the majority of players we have now.


 

 

22 May 2024 08:43:55
How many times have we heard punters and experts say messi was washed up legs had gone and he then goes on and wins the world cup? I have said on this site that mo has lost a yard of pace and is finished, but i think if Arne tweeks Mo's game, he could still get a bag full of goals for us.

i don't think him playing wide is the answer, maybe down the middle his ability is still there, so if he wants to stay take him up on it and maybe the new manager might give him the needed kick up the rear end.

iwillbered

1.) 22 May 2024 09:09:46
The big issue for me is that not only has he lost a yard of pace but since his injury his finishing has completely deserted him too.

I'm hoping a new manager and new coaches can be a bit of a 'reset' and that he can become a more ruthless finisher again (that goes for all of our forwards) .


2.) 22 May 2024 09:33:56
I’ve seen it mentioned a few times on here that Slot can coach some of our players to be better individually (Nunez and Salah most frequent) .

But didn’t Klopp improve the majority of the players here during his time.

Alison, Trent, Vvd, Matip, Robbo, Wijnaldum, Fab, Coutinho, Bobby, Jota, Salah and Mane all became better or superstars under Klopp.

So if Klopp couldn’t improve Nunez what makes us believe Slot will.

This isn’t me saying he won’t but I don’t get where we seem certain Slot will succeed where Klopp didn’t.

After all Klopp has a far better track record.

Perhaps some players have hit their levels and accountability is with them and not the manager and coaches.


3.) 22 May 2024 09:47:10
I am just wondering why young Ben Doak is not in this conversation maybe him working with Slot will improve his play. Also what about Fabio Carvalho too we need to give the kids a bit of a chance and maybe save millions at the same time.


4.) 22 May 2024 10:16:13
Isn’t Doak in rehab from a serious (knee? ) injury? A bit of a case of out of sight, out of mind maybe?


5.) 22 May 2024 10:32:21
well, I guess technically we've only heard it once.

Mo doesn't have the same precision and guile that Messi does to create openings in that kind of way. He needs space to run into.


6.) 22 May 2024 10:43:37
Did OP really compare Salah to Messi? Stopped reading after that lol Mo was a product of a system geared towards him and had an amazing season or 2 where everything he touched turned to gold. He has had world class moments but in my eyes is not world class in any aspect of his game and has never been. I would still argue Mane was more important to us during our success.


7.) 22 May 2024 10:55:00
@JK I don't think it is necessarily about the manager/ coaches being able to improve them (certainly my point wasn't) . In Salah's case we know he is capable of much more (we saw it for years under Klopp's management) and I think it may just be a case of 'a change is as good as a rest' and a change in training, coaching staff and slight changes to how we will play next season could be enough to change the fortunes of the players.
You see it quite often that all a forward needs is a fortunate goal to go in off their knee and it can completely turn around their fortunes in front of goal. All of our forwards already have the ability of they wouldn't all be international footballers - they just need that little something to change their fortunes.
We don't even need them all firing simultaneously, we just need any 2 at a time to be firing. Mane/ Mo/ Firminho would all go through spells of not scoring but it was extremely rare that it happened at the same time.
Nunez has to be one of the most unfortunate players I have ever watched play. He hit the woodwork more than any other player in the Premier League and was denied by so many ridiculous blocks and saves that he really wasn't far off having a really good goal return this season. Yes he gets caught offside too often (although some of that was midfield playing too slowly) and misses some sitters (although statistically he missed less sitters that Haaland) but let's not write him off yet. I'm not saying he will score 30+ goals next season, only that it wouldn't take much for him to do so and that it wouldn't be a stain on Klopp's record if he did.


8.) 22 May 2024 12:18:59
Shipley sorry mate my comment wasn't aimed at your comment specifically it was just a general observation on comments I've seen that people are claiming Slot will improve players because that's what he does. My point being so does Jurgen.

I'm definitely not writing off Nunez and he had a good second season this year but i also think he is a plyer that has to take accountability for his offsides.

I've seen the blame being put on the midfield for not releasing the ball quick enough but they are the exact same midfield that releases the ball to our other forwards behind and they are not caught offside nearly as half of much.

Offside just in the league this season stats are

Nunez 33
Diaz 20
Salah 17
Gakpo 8
Jota 3

In fact Nunez has been caught offside more times than the Man City squad combined and they apparently play the slowest possession football to man.

I'm looking forward though to seeing what Nunez brings next season. In fact I'm looking forard to seeing what all our forwards bring. I was quite surprised to see how many goals Gakpo and Jota actually scored

Salah 25 goals
Nunez 18 goals
Gakpo 16 Goals
Jota 15 Goals
Diaz 13 goals.


9.) 22 May 2024 12:28:27
Salah is all washed up unless he goes to the mountains to find his Mojo again. I doubt he will ever be able to kick a ball properly again. Sell sell sell.


10.) 22 May 2024 16:19:36
Quality scout spout.


11.) 22 May 2024 17:26:42
Yep becuase it was all just because of Messi that Argentina won the World Cup.


12.) 22 May 2024 18:51:13
Sarah’s shocking miss kick at the end of the wolves game sums up his last few months. Klopp’s weakness was he kept hold of players too long. Let’s see what Slot does.


13.) 22 May 2024 23:03:56
Now we’ve started picking on women - how low is this forum going to get! ?.


 

 

21 May 2024 09:49:40
@West Derby Wanderer3,

Macca not world class, come on west derby, mate. the lad has a medal and a trophy which tells you he is world class. He was a big part of the Argentina winning the world cup mate he is in the elite footballers of the world you do know buddy that there are only 8 teams that have won the world cup from 1930 to date.

When Macca has the settled midfield partners around him you will see why we got the bargain of the year unlike the lad at Chelsea who was Macca's partner in the world cup and cost 100+ million pounds. West Derby would you say Glenn Hoddle, King Kenny Graham Souness, Brian Robson, Paul Gaza were world class mate they never won the world cup?

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1.) 21 May 2024 10:49:48
@iwillbered, I don’t see what you see with macca mate. I think he’s ok. winning the World Cup is no barometer it’s about 8 games. ( we certainly wasn’t the best team in Europe when we won in Istanbul) the Curtis who got sent off at spurs is better.


2.) 21 May 2024 11:23:55
@scousejohn

Not sure why as a Liverpool fan you’re going to such lengths to create a narrative that Mac Alister isn’t a top player.

Winning the World Cup is no barometer for being a good player? I disagree.

He’s much better than “ok”.

And he’s much better than Curtis Jones.

Player of the season in my opinion. Of course you’re entitled to yours too.


3.) 21 May 2024 11:54:04
People have forgotten how Mac Allister was struggling and how many goals were scored due to his mistakes, when he was playing DM. The story changed dramatically when Endo came in and Mac Allister was moved forward.

For me he's a very good player. But his body of work with us is too small for me to say if he is world class or not. I'm aware of the titles he's won, but I still want to see more from him. Alisson, VVD and Salah are world class for me because I've seen them be at that level for a heck of a long time.

I think Szoboszlai is better than Mac Allister and Jones, but very far from showing it on any consistent level. I don't know what's happened to him. I'll be watching him closer next season.


4.) 21 May 2024 12:19:49
Bernard diomede was world class then.


5.) 21 May 2024 12:21:58
I don’t think BD started many games for France in that run.


6.) 21 May 2024 12:24:42
Indeed, @Mad Max BUT Diomede is nowhere near the player Macca is, ability-wise.

As for me Macca ain't world class, mate I love the player to bits cos his ability on the ball, vision, press-resistance and goalscoring ability from midfield top class, IMO. The world class thingy is a bit much and just cos he won a WC (and was pivotal) does NOT mean he is world class cos football does not start nor end based on your performance in a tournament that comes along every 4 years. Just may take.


7.) 21 May 2024 12:12:22
Where do you see Elliot play Ed1? As no 10 behind main striker? I do like him getting the ball from deeper area and carry the ball forward like he is doing these days.

{Ed001's Note - he definitely could play there and that is the position I always have said would suit him best. So yes, that is where I would like to see him if possible.}


8.) 21 May 2024 13:16:29
If we could release Macca to play further forward I think we would see a completely different player- able to join in more going forward and use his technical ability to create in the final third

Same goes for Szob imo

We seem to have bought both and try to get them to play a way they aren’t used to or potentially suited to playing.


9.) 21 May 2024 13:34:08
Out of all the players who had poor season in this Liverpool squad.
I never thought we’d be discussing Mac.


10.) 21 May 2024 13:44:54
Macca struggled as a DM, but imo most of the games he played with Endo behind him he's been good. Not world class per se, but easily good enough.


11.) 21 May 2024 15:07:44
@navy Keith: I’m not creating any narrative, as you say it’s a all about opinions mine being different to yours. I hope he does become world class. Right now tho the Curtis who got sent off at spurs would get in my team above him every time.


12.) 21 May 2024 15:30:28
Madmax, yes diomede was world class if he won a world cup winners medal there is no higher honour. Oilred it takes four years to win the world cup.


13.) 21 May 2024 16:27:37
With Mac at DM we really struggled.

We struggled that much we were 2nd in the league with him playing 14 games there before being injured.

{Ed001's Note - but we were having to rescue most of the games. We were getting results despite playing poorly, not because he was playing well. It is idiotic to suggest that it was because of him in DM that we were in second, just shows a lack of understanding of how a team game works and how you can get away with a player having bad games when there are 10 others on your team. Context is key to using stats otherwise they are just meaningless.}


14.) 21 May 2024 16:41:04
@Iwillbered for those of us who actually watched Diomede play in the 90's in the French league for A. J. A (A;J Auxerre), nobody ever accused him of being world class. So him winning the WC as a bench guy, will never change that. Just saying.


15.) 21 May 2024 17:06:11
Ed001 i actually agree Mac in the 8 and Endo in the 6 is a better fit for us i just don't think he was awful and i've never said we were 2nd just because Mac was playing there.

Even when Endo came in at 6 we have spent most of the season having to rescue games as we have gone behind more often than not.

I'm looking forward to seeing what changes Slot makes to the formation that hopefully keeps us an attacking threat but really tightens us up as a unit.

Gonna be strange seeing a new man in that dugout or technical area for our next game.

{Ed001's Note - that was my point, it is not about one player. But Macca was awful there, it was clear he didn't understand the role and was struggling. A lot of people blamed it on him being too slow, but that is nonsense, he just looked slow because he was reacting after the fact, so being caught on the hoof. It was just not the right position for him and another case of Klopp and Lijnders insisting on shoehorning players into positions that didn't fit them.

I am actually looking forward to a fresh start, even though I love Klopp and will miss him, it was clear it was time to go for his sake.}


16.) 21 May 2024 19:04:33
Eds, re elliot, am I right in thinking he's been playing a completely different role over the last few weeks? I've been taking double takes as he popped up on the left, middle and the right but that seems new considering we're used to seeing him on the right in place of salah (or behind)

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, he was on the left side of the midfield pairing. I think it suited him as he was excellent. Probably our best player over the last few games.}


17.) 21 May 2024 22:36:19
@Nobby Stiles won a World Cup winners medal, so, as has been said, that’s not really a yardstick for being world class although I do acknowledge that the word ‘world’ is used before the word ‘cup’ and ‘class’.

@Iwiil, I did actually say that Macca, is very good, which he is but if you were picking a world eleven (that word again) he wouldn’t feature in the team or even be in the bench. I could argue that the world eleven might also contain players who aren’t actually world class but we won’t go there, as the conversation will lead to pantomime or madness.

I am glad that Macca plays for us and I think when he is allowed to play in the role that best suits his skills he is undoubtedly an automatic starter. Hope this clears things up?


18.) 22 May 2024 01:32:41
I had this argument with a Spurs fan about Romero. He’s saying that Romero is one of the top 3 CB’s in the world because he won a World Cup.

For me Romero has no positional sense and is way too rash to be considered in the top 30 CB’s in the world.

Being that I don’t think international football is anywhere near the highest quality football in the world, how can winning the World Cup be any kind of barometer on the best players in the world?

Macca has been hot a cold. Great at times but a liability at other times. The potential is there but it’s way too early to say whether he can make it at a top club long term.


19.) 22 May 2024 03:19:35
To be fair, in my lifetime, lots of words and phrases have changed there meaning which is only natural, as language evolves and will carry on doing so.

If you take the word ‘legend’, when I was a boy the likes of Robin Hood and King Arthur and Excalibur were considered to be legends - mythical heroes in inspiring tales of good fighting evil. These days Divock Origi is considered a legend by some. Don’t get me wrong, Divock seems like a decent bloke who scored some noteworthy goals for us but he wouldn’t have been called a legend when I was a kid.

The same sort of applies to World Class although I never really knew the original description. I knew Pele was world class and I knew that Cruyff was world class and Franz Beckenbauer was world class and I assumed that it meant that the player would automatically be in the starting 11 to represent Earth should the Martians show up with a footy team. These days it seems that if a player who plays in the team you support has a run of a dozen good games then he’s elevated to World Class. I’m not actually saying it’s wrong, as I say words and phrases change meaning over time but I stand by what I’ve said about Macca, in this instance.

As an aside, apparently the word ‘sycophant’ originally meant fig seller and ‘clinical’ as in Suarez was a clinical finisher referred to doctors who made house calls back in the day having a ‘good bedside manner’.


20.) 22 May 2024 04:19:42
It all depends on how you define World Class.
Winning the WC doesn't qualify in my opinion mainly because there have been some exceptional players (like Dalglish, C. Ronaldo) whos national team were not good enough to make a winners medal possible.
Some suggest to be World Class they need to be the best in their position in the world’s best XI. But this disregards the fact that there can be a number of exceptional players in a position at one time: if Mbappe is world class, does that mean that Kane, Haaland, Osimhen, Son, etc, aren’t? Possibly, possibly not.
Players can have unbelievable seasons where they are outstanding and then tail off rapidly through injuries, lifestyle, loss of form. Was Michael Owen world class in the second half of his career? Gazza?
Personally, i think a player who plays at an exceptional standard of the course of his career can qualify as World Class - a player who stands out in any team.
Mac isn't quite there IMO but there's no reason why he won't be regarded as World Class by the time his career is over.


 

 

 

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10 May 2024 11:46:14
Trent would be perfect as a number ten been saying this for a while now with his range of passing .

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26 Apr 2024 19:43:22
Lets hope and prey we are not getting a ten hag.

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13 Apr 2024 14:30:47
What about Gomez he should go to in my opinion poor defender and passing very poor.

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01 Apr 2024 22:21:24
What a problem Southgate would have with Trent if he became manager of LFC or would that mean that Trent is off?

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28 Mar 2024 08:45:04
West derby if you run on to a football pitch, fella there is a 50/ 50 chance you will get injured and who pays robbos wages, scotland or Liverpool. listen i am of scots decent, but i would still of wanted robbo on the bench and only come on if needed mate.

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27 May 2024 18:19:51
MK great post mate agreed with all of it thank you.

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26 May 2024 21:18:08
I know Rogers bought Gomez, but Klopp loved him as was shown in how he kept him in the squad when we could all see he was not the player he was. For all you guys who have said he is a squad player keep him do not think by doing this will hamper talent who need to make the break through like Bradley has saved the club millions .

Let me remind you gents and ladies the
best managers of LFC have moved on far better players than Gomez because they could spot a decline in the player Danny Ings for example.
I have no axe to grind over Gomez I really appreciate how good the lad was before his bad injuries but when your time at the club is up then it time to move on he can still play for lesser team no disrepect ment.

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23 May 2024 07:47:06
The Brazilian lad in center of midfield was out standing for Atlanta one to keep an eye on.

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21 May 2024 15:30:28
Madmax, yes diomede was world class if he won a world cup winners medal there is no higher honour. Oilred it takes four years to win the world cup.

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21 May 2024 06:47:30
I think the answer to your reply West Derby Wanderer 3 Trent is brilliant at passing long balls which are usually counter attacking long passes over 40 yards ( old school I know) Where as Macca and Thiago pass short decisive balls through the lines making openings for the forwards to run onto so that is why i said Trent best long ball passer and other two better short passers.

Also when Trent passes a long pass on most occasions it is not to create a goal scoring opportunity it is to switch play from right to left to start an attack but the goal scoring chance are usually made by Macca or Thiago when he was fit .
I hope that covers my former post West Derby . YNWA.

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