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30 Oct 2023 21:10:09
Question for ed25 if possible. Hello mate. I've seen you sing the praises of Harry Kane in the past and also seen you compliment Robbie Fowler quite a bit for his finishing. What's your opinion on the better of the 2? Mine is Fowler for 3 or more seasons was untouchable. I really think he should have partnered Shearer in euro 96 but Venables went with Sheringham who did well anyway but I do think Robbie was the better player. Kane seems to have more longevity but being biased I think it's down to Robbie being at his best at the start of the Premier league era when there was still a load of bad habits and diets around. These days players are machines so will last longer but on talent alone I'd take Robbie all day.

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{Ed025's Note - i was always a big Robbie fan baz, most natural finisher i have ever seen in british football and a bit underrated if you ask me, totally different player to Harry who is very powerful and really good in the air, what i would call an old fashioned centre forward in the mould of Latchford or Shearer, Robbie was all about finess and could turn a game in an instant, the only down side for me is that he never really produced it in an England shirt which is a shame because we all know he had the ability to be one of the greats..


1.) 31 Oct 2023 04:44:10
Ed 25 am still curious to know who your preferred choice would be on you tesm.

{Ed025's Note - in the present day it would be Kane Groot, ideally i would have them as my forward pair but i suppose thats a bit of a cop out, the fitness you need these days gives Harry the edge because for me power and pace is king in the game today mate..


 

 

01 Jun 2023 16:13:14
Interesting seeing some posters saying that this Thuram lad is like Yaya Toure but technically better. I always thought Toure was technically brilliant and his one weakness was a bit of laziness. Exciting stuff being linked with someone who compares favourably to someone so talented. Also his dad was one of my favourite none liverpool players.

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1.) 01 Jun 2023 16:27:05
Yaya got destroyed by pre knee injury Lucas and never recovered his form.

But yeah, he never struck me as lacking in technical ability. So if that's true Thuram must be extremely tidy.


2.) 01 Jun 2023 17:48:48
Laziness, I think. Yaya used to have his arse handed to him by the mighty Joe Allen back in the day so that tells you about hide stays could b at times.


3.) 01 Jun 2023 17:58:03
Lucas was a bang average player at best. The thought of him destroying yaya is absurd even for a Liverpool fan. The downgrade from mash and alonso to Lucas was catastrophic.


4.) 01 Jun 2023 18:28:21
Have to disagree Brummy. Lucas was a poster boy for a section of knuckle dragging fans but he was a very good player. OK not as good as Alonso but not many where.


5.) 01 Jun 2023 18:28:35
27th November 2011 Brummy. Lucas lined up in midfield alongside Charlie Adam (so no help there) and pocketed Toure.

Two days later Lucas came off the bench against Chelsea in the League Cup, injured his cruciate and was never quite the same afterwards.


6.) 01 Jun 2023 18:56:07
He pocketed Toure in a 1-1 draw at Anfield? I like to big up our players as much as the next person but Toure was in a different class to Lucas.


7.) 01 Jun 2023 21:48:26
Kone is the man for me rather than Thuram. Much better ball winner.
He'll do all the dirty work so the offensive lads can get on the counter and score some goals.


8.) 02 Jun 2023 09:32:54
Lucas was underrated by some and for years undervalued by a lot of people (including me) . The credit he received towards the end of his time with us was well deserved. He wasn’t a world beater but the team were better with him playing in it.


9.) 02 Jun 2023 15:37:53
Spot on, BigBaz. Lucas was a boss player who took the type of unwanted beating that a certain Jordan Henderson took for years just cos he was not Stevie G or Xabi Alonso by his own proper supporters. I can easily guess that this was the period where the era of txoic rhetoric from club supporters began in full flow.

Lucas played his heart our for LFC and he was coming to his own until that cruciate ligament injury that messed him up. Even the in 16/ 17 in the run in for top 4, Lucas was instrumental at DM and provided 2 crucial assists for Bobbie (win at West Brom) and at Watford for Emre Can to score the goal of the season and get the win we needed to get top 4. Love him to deat, Lucas. Never moaned or complained. Great guy off the pitch, as well I heard.


 

 

23 May 2023 11:33:56
Not Liverpool related but I have to say I'm really glad that arrests have been made over the abuse Vinicious Jr has received. It seems he gets targeted nearly every time he plays. People need to realise that this type of thing is not on. I'm no angel when I attend football matches and I can wind up the opposition fans and players to but to abuse someone because of their skin colour or where in the world they are from goes much to far.

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1.) 23 May 2023 11:39:40
T*ts up big baz. Big fish Little fish Cardboard Box.


2.) 23 May 2023 12:17:49
Unfortunately I think the only way to stop it is strength in numbers of fans in the grounds who actually have a moral compass calling the other fans out and holding them accountable

The stewards at Anfield (and most grounds) seem like lovely people but they don’t really have the fear factor or authority to confront fans (hooligans) who step well over the line.

I’ve seen it numerous times at Anfield where a steward will be getting stick and other fans have had to intervene (not with violence before someone has an anxiety attack)

It’s a sad worrying state of affairs.


3.) 23 May 2023 12:43:39
The problem here is that this is a societal problem, and until society starts accepting people irrespective of race or colour, this will never end.


4.) 23 May 2023 12:52:38
How you stop it is you hit clubs with indefinite bans from playing in front of their supporters until they take it seriously and start banning supporters. As Vini himself said, this isn't the first, second or third time this has happened. Klopp was asked about it before we played them in Feb.

Valencia have since been embarrassed into taking action against two (! ) fans they have identified, but their initial reaction was to complain about what Ancelotti said. So they're clearly not taking it seriously.

And then repeat the punishment with any other club who's fans try that.


5.) 23 May 2023 12:57:50
Or better yet, stop the match immediately and walk off with points deducted. The response from La Liga was just as bad as the ones hurling abuse. Punish the fans where it hurts most their club. It's embarrassing that this even happens in the modern day.


6.) 23 May 2023 13:25:14
Make clubs whose fans do this sort of crap play behind closed doors.
1st offence = 2 games,2nd offence =4 game etc.


7.) 23 May 2023 13:50:23
Obviously nobody wants to hear racist abuse, yet i’m unsure the suggestion of ‘keeping your opinions to yourself’ fixed the problem. Then you’d still be stood in the stands with a load of racists, only none of them would be vocalising their feelings.

That’s better than players being abused on the pitch, of course it is, but it doesn’t fix the issue. Then again, what it takes to fix the issue is probably beyond football altogether, and instead lies in the hands of the government.

It’s a horrible problem for which bans are a clear and obvious first step, but there does not appear to be any great solution. As much as we love the sport, football still attracts its fair share of idiots, unfortunately.


8.) 23 May 2023 13:54:45
Great responses gents but the problem for me lies where is the cut off.

I’ve been In Anfield where 99% of the crowd are singing along nicely and then you might get the occasional fan shout something that makes you cringe inside but could very well get a game abandoned or future ones played behind closed doors.

100% agree it’s a society thing and for me the problem is it used to be a Minority in society but that minority has grown significantly in this day and age.


9.) 23 May 2023 14:01:11
AW - the key is not finding the solution, but enforcing a suitable punishment to deter. There is no solution as there will always be racists, that is just a fact of life and humanity unfortunately. But if you punish the clubs, this will lead to other fans stepping in when it does happen, as they know that this single or small group of idiots could ruin it for themselves, eventually and hopefully stopping it in the stadiums altogether.


10.) 23 May 2023 14:43:15
You can't deduct points or punish clubs in a way that affects their chances on the pitch for individuals. The reason why is simple. Say Liverpool are up against City in the title race and lead by 3 points; What stops a City fan throwing on a Liverpool shirt and getting in the ground to start shouting racist abuse?

The simple way to resolve this is to start making an example out of individuals. Assign a 3 month prison sentence to shouting racist abuse at a football game. You'll only have to throw a couple hundred in jail before people get the message. Clubs can police this quite easily by installing CCTV and banning all face coverings inside the stadium. Then give the details to the police and let them deal with the **** on an individual basis.

With regards to the Vinicius incident, when it is the whole crowd and not just individuals, then i think the players should be allowed to walk off the pitch and request a replay that would be behind closed doors pending an independent review which can decide whether to grant the request based of the video and audio footage of what prompted the team to leave the pitch.

{Ed002's Note - Opposition fans are not going to dress up in Liverpool shirts. One English club has already refused to let police have CCTV footage for an incident outside the ground.}


11.) 23 May 2023 14:52:07
BigBaz, I am happy that the Spanish have actually decided after over 2 decades of racial abuse of players with a darker skin tone, to actually enforce the laws they have. We all remember all the monkey chants that Dani Alves, Samuel Eto'o went through with Barcelona away at Zaragoza where Alves ate the banana they threw to him to whind them up even more while Eto'o had to be convinced to stay on the pitch as he was tired of it.

The fact that not just Vini Jnr but Rudiger and Alaba get monkey chants made to them at away grounds in La Liga just shows how much they have allowed the despicable conduct to fester all this time, tells me how much they were willing to do nothing about it. The fact that it got this bad is a pure disgrace. I like that people re being held accountable however We will see what happens when an unheralded player of a darker skin tone not named Vini Jnr, Alaba or Rudiger get this type of abuse.


12.) 23 May 2023 14:52:53
Better idea than a replay MK - If footage/ audio finds the players justifiably walked off over racist abuse, award a 3-0 win to their club.

Offending clubs would mysteriously be very able to catch the perpetrators then, I'd bet.


13.) 23 May 2023 16:47:59
At least we can say our own fans wouldn’t dream of racially abusing any players in the stadium at least online is a different kettle of fish. Spain does have a problem with racism and probably always will do. England is light years ahead of other countries who are mostly playing catch up in coming to terms with accepting other races and nationalities.

{Ed025's Note - i think all clubs have an unwanted element within their supporters Str8, i dont see it as a football problem as much as a society one mate, personally i think this will include all clubs without exception, they are nasty pieces of work but knuckle draggers live amongst us im afraid..


14.) 23 May 2023 17:18:32
Oli I don't know if you're old enough to remember when football Italia was on c4 and the very same thing was happening every week on that. I vividly remember one week it was so bad that a commentator said it was just booing. Usually no comments were made.


15.) 23 May 2023 18:16:46
Yeah or that SomethingRed. Would soon stop it happening en masse.

Ed002, i think you're massively over estimating the intelligence and integrity of some British Football fans ? or perhaps you just have more faith in humanity than me!

{Ed002's Note - The only fans that think of conspiracy theories are the Liverpool fans - like when they suggested it was Everton fans dressed up as Liverpool fans attacking the Manchester City coach.}


16.) 23 May 2023 19:43:47
Ed002, I grew up in a small English town with a gang who called themselves the "Rude Boys" and spray painted "RB" all over the nearby towns to start fights with other gangs. The classic English knuckle dragger has no limits on how far they will go with their tribalism from my experience growing up here. Only last week I was in services on the M1 when a mass brawl kicked off between Hull City and Stoke City supporters as they travelled back up North. They literally aren't even rivals and hadn't even played each other that day, yet they started smashing other fans up in the queue for McDonald's. I was just trying to get my kid a Happy Meal and instead i got a free UFC ticket. A minority of British football fans are an embarassment, and I have to admit that does not exclude the Liverpool fan base. I wouldn't put anything past that minority of skid marks.

{Ed002's Note - were they all dressed up as Liverpool supporters.}y


17.) 23 May 2023 19:59:43
It's funny you should ask Ed002 as half of them were in fancy dress. I never thought i'd see a Ali G fighting side by side with a 6ft Lobster but life throws strange at you living in Northampton ?.


18.) 23 May 2023 20:02:44
As Ed025 has suggested on many occasions it's a social problem. Almost all of us will agree that every club will have a fringe group of supporters willing to cross the limits. And Liverpool FC will certainly have those too. So it's conceivable some of these morons have infiltrated the Liverpool page too. ?‍♂️.


19.) 23 May 2023 21:51:19
Bigbaz if it was the one show in the 90's then I was a teenager at the time however, I did not hear the monkey charts for ssure. Either way, it's pathetic and it is one of the big reasons why Italy are not ready to host any international comp. anytime soon since Italia 90.


20.) 23 May 2023 22:52:35
Agreed Oli. And let's not forget our very own Barnsie got dogs abuse for his skin colour. It's an absolute joke. I've never understood it. Like people have said it's a society problem. I mean if I don't get on with someone then it's down to a clash of personality or difference of opinion so generally don't bother with them, but to dislike someone because they look different or sound different to me I find ridiculous.


21.) 23 May 2023 22:55:35
I remember reading an interview with Dawn French years ago and the interviewer asked a really crass question along the lines did the colour of her and her husband’s skin (at the time her husband was Lenny Henry) . Her reply was brilliant. She said she hadn’t noticed any problems and hadn’t realised there was a difference until after they were married when her husband told her that he was black.

Football isn’t the reason for racism but there are obviously racists in football and sadly some of them are in positions of authority. The only thing that we as individuals who might also happen to be football fans can do is to call it out whenever we see it. If everybody did that then the battle to get rid of it might shift a bit. In my honest opinion not doing anything about it if you see it is in some ways worse than the actions of racists as we know it’s wrong.


22.) 23 May 2023 23:24:37
Excellent wdw and her point is brilliant.


23.) 24 May 2023 13:01:26
Barnes used to get racially abused by our fans in the late 80's, I was only 9/ 10 and still remember it clear as day, every club has knobhead fans, we aren't special, it's just stupid to label all fans of a club something that a tiny minority did, but it's the way of the new world today, minority rules these days, very very sadly.


 

 

14 May 2023 10:35:34
Say we don't get top 4 which I suspect we won't, would it change anything in our targets minds? If a player wants to play for Liverpool then he wants the club no matter what. I remember we signed unknowns like big Sami and Camara. Both did excellent jobs for us (obviously Camaras impact was not as big as Samis) on top of experienced Premier league players like Barmby and Henchoz. 2 seasons later I think it was were in the semi final of the champions league. 1 season out of it and not getting huge names in the transfer market won't affect Liverpool being a draw.

bigbaz

1.) 14 May 2023 11:28:32
I think you are right bigbaz. I think this run we ve been on should encourage players anyway for next season regardless how it ends. People get fixated on one or two individuals but there's quality out there. I just hope our team does a quality job in identifying those targets. I love the look of Ugarte in particular. Would love him and think he is possible without CL football. Likewise Mac Allaister would be a great buy. These are players I would love to buy even if we won the CL.

I really hope FSG do their part this summer. I need to see a big transfer market this year with lots of funding. It's a must. Let's see if they deliver. I hope they do.


2.) 14 May 2023 11:48:05
Whether we get our targets will depend on a few factors, the Champions League being a factor in some ways but not others.
From the footballing side, a year out of the Champions League is not a major problem for a club like Liverpool. Our recent success, prestigious name, and elite coach mean we would remain an attractive destination. A seasoned pro might think twice before joining a club outside the Champions League but I doubt an up-and-coming star would refuse us if our absence wasn’t prolonged.
Financially, being out the Champions League would obviously impact future budgets because there simply wouldn’t be as much income. We’d either require more investment or have to go without a target or two given the lack of CL money. For Liverpool, in particular, I don’t like the excuse of no CL football as a reason not to spend - we’ve been in the CL since 2017, with a superb record throughout yet are nowhere near the highest-spending clubs. We are outspent by some clubs outside Europe nearly every season. No CL will affect our ability to sign targets to an extent, but now it’s no longer an acceptable excuse for the club.


3.) 14 May 2023 11:59:14
What difference would being in the champions league make to any foreign player exactly? They are joining a league which in 2 years or so will have about 6 clubs competing for 3rd and 4th place but they'll still get their huge wage packets regardless.

We always paid players and agents premium fees and wages to convince them to join when we were in the champions league so I doubt anything will change in that regard.


4.) 14 May 2023 12:04:32
At the moment, there's only one team in England who you could say are almost guaranteed to qualify for the CL every season, and that's City. Other than that, of all the "big" English clubs, we've been the most consistent in qualifying for the CL over the last 6 or 7 years. Missing out on CL for one season, if it happens, won't have much effect on players wanting to sign for us, as we're still a club who is one of the most likely to qualify in future seasons. Not qualifying this season may impact our budget, but won't impact our drawing power.


5.) 14 May 2023 14:37:39
While being or not being in Champions League, or being a starter or not, or being in a "desirable" city or not, are a part of the factors involved, I really think the wage packet on offer is underestimated (in importance), on here. After all they are all professionals. And the employer paying the most usually gets the player. And it's not a bad thing the player thinks in the same way.


6.) 14 May 2023 16:20:44
I don’t think it will make much difference. For example any of the two Brighton midfielder wouldn’t turn us down for not being in the CL but Mbappe might ? but I think I can say with a degree of certainty that his not on our list of “possibles” this time around and we will only sign him next Summer ?.


7.) 14 May 2023 20:33:19
If a player said he didn’t want to sign for us because we are not in the CL I wouldn’t want him anyway. It pathetic short term thinking. What happens if we sign him when we are in the CL then one season don’t qualify? Will he push for a move?
You want someone who wants to be part of a successful spell for the club and push us back into the CL.
It’s like Shankly said to Big Ron Yeates when he signed him and we were in the second division. I Don’t remember the exact quote but it went something like:

Yeates: So where exactly is Liverpool?
Shankly: we are in the first division of the English football league.
Yeates: Not what I meant but anyway I thought you were in the second division?
Shankly: Ay son, but after we sign you we will be in the first division of the English football league.

Yeates then signed without hesitation and the rest is history!


 

 

26 Apr 2023 18:17:31
What's everyone's favourite kit from past or present and not just limited to liverpool. My personal favourite is the first candy kit. Big bulky Barnsie looked amazing in it and made my jaw drop with how he looked like a middle weight boxer but played like he was dancing with a ball at his feet. Non Liverpool I've always liked the away Argentina kits. But being a Maradona obsessive I'd go for the hand of God one.

bigbaz

1.) 26 Apr 2023 20:23:12
Liked the fiorentina kit when batistuta was there, sponsored by Nintendo.


2.) 26 Apr 2023 21:53:49
Liverpool away black and gold adidas with carlsberg from 09/ 10. Absolute beauty.


3.) 27 Apr 2023 01:14:27
Juventus Ariston shirt just a cool shirt esp with Rushie in it.


4.) 27 Apr 2023 07:46:47
Is it just me or do stripey kits seem to look nicer in Italy and Spain compared to how they look in this country. Atletico Madrids always look a lot better than Sheff u, however Sheff Weds kit were they got to both cup finals against Arsenal was delicious.


 

 

 

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02 Jan 2024 13:18:45
Fernando Redondos son according to Wikipedia. Injuries aside I thought he was a world class midfielder. If his son can emulate him then he's going to be some player.

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24 Jul 2023 05:54:56
This sort of stuff ticks me off. I think he should lead the way and flea before he gets collared.

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23 Jul 2023 06:39:13
For me there's only one Dynamo and that is of course the massive bloke from Running Man who gets electrocuted when the sprinklers go off.

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10 Jun 2023 11:33:48
I worked with a lady who when she got married her surname changed from Skelly to Kelly and the best man said in his speech that he'd been waiting for someone to knock the S out of her for years.

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24 May 2023 02:24:45
Fair do's fellas. My misreading. No offence meant Monkey.

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16 Mar 2024 14:26:58
I remember getting 8/ 1 odds on that game that if Bellamy scored he would celebrate by swinging an imaginary golf club. It came in obviously. I liked Bellamy when he played for us but couldn't stand him anywhere else. Very mouthy. The game where we played Chelsea in the league Cup just after Gary Speed died was his best game for us. He absolutely tore them to pieces.

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02 Mar 2024 19:34:28
Tough decision for Thursday. The big players need minutes in their legs but at the same time it's the game before city. But these are the types of decisions that are luxuries, I'm glad I'm not one making them.

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02 Mar 2024 14:56:32
I disagree Mikey, Rafa joined Everton who for me are more of a rival than United as I know far more everton fans than I do united. But I still love the man. Owen ran his contract down but carried on saying even after he left that he was willing to sign a new one. As I said my big problem with him was he seemed to value his international career more than playing for Liverpool, wasn't as good as Robbie but still seemed to be first pick then practically begged to come back a year after he messed us around. I think he scored 1 goal for United which was after about an hour of injury time and if I remember rightly his options were them or Stoke so I can't blame him for choosing them. Good player yes but not in my top 10 liverpool strikers.

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02 Mar 2024 09:21:38
JK23 I'm not 100% on this but I once saw an interview with Neil Ruddock who said that Robbie got called God by his team mates as he can do no wrong in the eyes of the fans.

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02 Mar 2024 08:25:16
The United thing meant nothing to me to. I just always felt that England meant more to him than Liverpool did. He never really had the bond with the fans that Fowler did and also leaving for such a small fee due to running his contract down was unforgivable. A lot like McManaman in that respect.

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