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25 Apr 2015 12:21:25
Assuming we don't get a CL spot (still clinging on to that bit of hope), what forwards can we attract to Liverpool that will want to come. Assume we move on Balo and Borini so £20 million max!

The Irish Rover

{Ed002's Note - Obviously the finances don't work like that, but Liverpool still have a firm interest in Ings and Vietto - plus Origi will be arriving.}

1.) 25 Apr 2015 14:00:52
I agree. Maybe i should not have put a figure in as such. With your contacts/opinion would you suggest which would be the better fit for Liverpool. Cheers

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}

2.) 25 Apr 2015 16:33:03
Ed do you no if Vietto will come or not without CL football?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't know.}

3.) 26 Apr 2015 01:16:54
no need to assume rover , we will be lucky to get 5th spot , BR and the players are half way to the beach , and we have switched off , its going to be Ings , why ? , he costs less .



11 Dec 2014 16:06:11
Ok, so we are 2 weeks to Christmas! Hard to believe i know but i want you all to spare a thought for other people maybe outside your family circle this Christmas.

Over here in Northern Ireland a local radio station (Cool fm) run a mission Christmas every year. Last year they had requests for 5000 gifts for kids of all ages and sex that would have had nothing to open on Christmas Day. An awful thought for any kid i'm sure you agree. This year they have requests for close to 7000 gifts. It tells me how many families are struggling these days and need a little bit of human kindness.

On doing a bit of research i can tell you that loads of other local radio stations run similar projects all over the UK. The Salvation Army also run a Christmas appeal.

So when you venture out to the town for a bit of seasonal cheer maybe you can spare a thought for those not so fortunate as ourselves. Boots do great 3 for 2 offers for older kids, Smyths toys also! That extra £20/30 will make a huge difference to some youngster this year. Please if you can, do your bit.

Thanks for reading.

The Irish Rover

{Ed001's Note - I will put this on all 3 main pages so it can be seen, great idea mate.}

1.) 11 Dec 2014 16:38:13
Nice one mate

2.) 11 Dec 2014 21:22:56
Who in gods name disagreed With this post ffs get a grip

3.) It's a great initiative and we have the same in Blackpool where the cash for kids charity runs mission christmas. We along with lots of local businesses act as drop of points for your extra gifts which are then delivered to main centres such as sainsburys in our area. All details on drop of points can be found on your local radio station.

All help is massively appreciated.


4.) I normally disagree with most things you say on here Rover but spot on with this one.

5.) Hi it's Bauer media/cash4Kids in the UK. I spent some time with them last week sorting gifts to be sent to underprivileged children. Still time to donate
A premier league footballer turned up while we were there spending possibly 10 minutes doing f@@k all other than getting as much publicity as he could.



26 Jan 2014 12:33:03
Top of the morning Ed02.

A question if you don't mind. When a transfer goes tits up as it has done recently (mentioning no names), Ayre seems to come in for a bit of stick/abuse. Some posters basically claim he is a poor negotiator and very slow in getting deals tied up. In your opinion, would this be a fair assessment? Or is he trying to do the best job he can under the financial constraints he is put under?

I remember a while back you mentioning Liverpool putting in bids way below the asking price therefore not even getting the other team to negotiate. Would they have been better of advised not to go for such players and save themselves from the embarrassment or is there always a chance, therefore worth a go so to speak?

Lastly, leading from the first 2 questions. If Chelsea had not have swooped for Salah would Liverpool have got their man for the price they offered (A third of the asking price?). I appreciate its a bit of a loaded question and I fully understand if you don't want to answer this bit.

The Irish Rover

{Ed002's Note - In my opinion the posters know nothing of the situation at all and as the new type of fan lives only in a blame culture, Mr Ayre becomes the target in such situations. These are the same people who want, Jones, Gerrard, Moses, Allen, Henderson, Johnson, Cissokho, Enrique, Sterling, Agger, Skrtel, Kirikou, Coates, etc., etc. out. There will be a process that decides what sort of money the club will be willing to pay for a player on a case-by-case basis. If an offer is only a third or so of what the selling club are looking for they would typically not be interested in any negotiations as it would be seen as futile. There will also be financial constraints that will need to be adhered to. Aside from interest from Newcastle there was also a bid made by another side for Salah - Liverpool would certainly not have gotten him for the amount they were offering. It was clear that they would have needed to go to Basel with a much improved offer.}

1.) Ed do you think not signing Salah was the right thing to do or not? I'm a fan, I care nothing about money, just want to see my club grow better and better. So please tell me in monetary terms, could not signing Salah deemed a success?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea what the question means.}

2.) 26 Jan 2014 16:26:50
Wasn't our initial bid for Suarez something like £12.7 million? Only to be practically doubled within a week?
Ed02, any idea if this is true or am I making stuff up?

{Ed002's Note - I don't recall the numbers but it was something like that.}

3.) Krishna, you are asking a hypothetical question and only time will tell if Salah going to be the next Oscar or if he'll end up the next Torress .
The club (Our club) obviously thought he is very useful, that's why they initiated negotiation, the fact that they again failed to complete / close suggests there is a problem that the club need to address.

4.) Eds the question seems to ask whether the club are not prepared to negotiate due to their valuation on players being no where near the selling clubs or is it the fault of Ayre specifically as he is not skilled at negotiating? I hope most fans who use this site want to support the club and not spend their time slagging everyone off but u must understand these events become very public fails in the eyes of the fans and we want to understand why we lose out.


{Ed002's Note - The fans work in a 100% blame culture and have been shown repeatedly to blame the owners and Mr Ayre for another transfer window where eight £40M players failed to arrive.}

5.) It's seems strange all the same that we spent close to 3 months scouting him, he was earmarked to be a starting XI player and yet we wouldn't spend £11mil to get him. Keep in mind we've recently spent £10mil on Borini, £7mil on Aspas and £7mil on Alberto all to warm the bench.£11mil for a starter doesn't seem that much.

6.) Ed, I think the Salah situation does emphasise a problem in the way we pursue players. I accept that we do not have the money that many of our rivals seem to have, but we proved last January that there is a way to do well in January. In that window we went early and we went fast and landed both Coutinho and Sturridge. The issue highlighted in the summer with Mkhitaryan and to a lesser extent Willian, and now with Salah is that we wait too long and then start too low, thereby giving other teams the chance to react. It is even worse in this instance, as Chelsea would probably not have bid for Salah if we had gone for him on Jan 1st, as they would not have had Mata money ( or need to replace him). The fact that nothing happened ahead of the visit of Henry and Werner means we wasted our best chance of stealing a march on the competition. That would seem to have really cost us. This is the best chance in ages to crack the top 4, but it required us to be ready on Jan 1st and then to go quick and hard to get the players that BR deemed to be the ones to improve the first XI. I am not saying it is down to Ian Ayre, but I think collectively the senior team made a big mistake in delaying and then starting too low on our primary January target. From the outside it looks like we are a little naive as to how the market works these days. We don't have the pulling power we used to, so we have to be far smarter in how we go to market, and right now we are just making ourselves look a little daft as we constantly get beaten to players. The biggest concern is that Luis Suarez must be looking at this and going "this is the problem, no one wants to come and join me here!" Do you not think we need to re-think our approach somewhat to ensure we can bring in players who can improve our First XI as opposed to just attracting a plethora of squad players?

{Ed002's Note - The delay in the summer was largely due to Suarez. Liverpool were not in the same ballpark as Basel in terms of price for Salah.}

7.) No disrespect eds just another opinion. I would say the md of a company is pretty good place to start when things are done badly. After all the book stops at the top! In an earlier reply you suggested we had a committee which arye was part of. Let's check his credentials for being on that committee. He had little experience of signing players and doig deals and knows nothing about football. How on earth is he any where near it? Dempsey fiasco was a joke now salah! If we had of signed Dempsey for peanuts I might add he would now be a valued squad player sometimes starter. We need a winger to push on for top four how is it not worth going in at 11 mil? The book stops at the top and yet again the team will just miss out. Same old problems "this time next year". What a shambles. A window when we need decisive action to kick us on for a real possibility of success the chance goes begging. Not just on salah but the whole window. Mata to utd Chelsea sign three. Our main rivals with big squad already put u to shame

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea did not sign three players to replace Mata. So with your erroneous cliché about the "book" stopping at the top, perhaps you should go after the owners who are at the top. A nice little hate campaign to force them out and get Sheikh Al Thani or Sulaiman Al Fahim in?}

8.) I would say all the comments on this thread are generally questions with some sarcasm, frustration and clear lack of understanding at what goes on at MD level in a prem club and especially at LFC so eds002 please try and respond constructively to the debate rather than giving people short shrift.

Are u clear what happened in the Salah deal?

{Ed002's Note - Try not to be an idiot - I am perfectly clear what happened with Salah.}

9.) I didn't say Chelsea signed three to replace mata. I said many sign mata and Chelsea have also bought players. If we are to compete over a season with rivals such as these then we should be getting things done. Low balling for players highlights weakness at magement level not ownership! Ian arye is at the top of management and has a large portion of responsibility. Are you suggesting he doesn't? Our owners have spent millions already there the last in line. The management/ arye have responsibility for putting that money to good use and sign players not mess around until other clubs beat us to the chase.

10.) Why are you arguing with the eds you just come off looking like a pelican. If you don't like there opinion don't come to the site, no one is forcing you to.

11.) Rather than blame us for being too slow isn't it obvious that Chelsea let us, Spurs or another team do the negotiating, agree a fee and then they come in over the top and offer more at the last minute?
That is Chelsea's strategy. You can't blame the management at Pool or other teams for that!

{Ed002's Note - You clearly don't understand how any of this works.}

12.) Let's just stick to the point.We have a great chance of breaking back into the top 4, but we all see we need some help in doing this.Salah, who we scouted and apparently negotiated with Basel for didn't happen.Most of us would of liked to see him in a red shirt, and felt much better about our chance's if he had arrived.But as Chelsea got him for £11m, we are none to happy as to who and why We didn't get him.So we play the blame game, and Ayre is first on the list.

13.) 27 Jan 2014 18:12:38
Absolutely spot on niceaction



10 Jan 2014 21:59:42
Ed02. Have Napoli put a bid in for Agger. Has Agger turned it down? Thanks.

The Irish Rover

{Ed002's Note - I suspect that he will stay to the summer.}



02 Sep 2013 22:03:19
Excuse my ignorance, but did Borini go on loan or not? Was the deal completed? Cheers. {Ed001's Note - yes, he is at Sunderland for the season.}

The Irish Rover

1.) Good luck Borini, work your socks off and come back a better player. YNWA

2.) Think this was a bad move by Liverpool however, with the amount of abuse the lad was getting of his own fans it might be the best thing for him in the long run. You plastic fans ripping into a player who had about a month of actual football uninjured hang your heads in shame, some of the people who support us are an embarrassment. {Ed001's Note - that is the reason he was sent out on loan, too many boo boys on his back.}

3.) I like borini I think he works hard. Hopefully he does well and comes back

4.) If so then it might be very shrewd management, no point him staying here just to have his confidence destroyed.

5.) Borini makes some great runs - He is a very clever footballer who creates space for others.

He will get goals too - maybe not loads but he is a good finisher. Shame he has gone out on loan.

Shame all the fans who didn't see BR as the answer take their frustrations out on a young player who spent most of last season injured - Thought LFC fans were better than that!

6.) Football is all about different opinions. If everyone had the same we wouldn't have forums like this. I don't accept someone being given a 'plastic' or 'boo boy' tag just because they don't rate a particular player. When we pay £725 for a season ticket, and i'm in my 29th year as a season ticket holder, then we hold the right have an opinion even if its not popular. I'll always support the men in Red, through wind and rain. But I'm not so blinkered that I will claim greatness in every player. Borini, in my opinion, wasn't isn't and never will be, of the quality our team deserves. Of course, I wish him well and hope he is a success at Sunderland.




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06 Jun 2019 18:17:53
Very nice farewell message from Daniel Sturridge, classy guy. Respect.

The Irish Rover

1.) 06 Jun 2019 20:22:23
Indeed it was what was you favourite Studge moment mine would have to be goal against Chelsea last season.

2.) 06 Jun 2019 21:08:29
Mine was his chip against West Brom.

3.) 06 Jun 2019 21:51:42
Shents, that chip is still as delicious now, as it was 5 years ago. Brilliant goal.

{Ed025's Note - my memory of him will be him lying on a sunbed with a cocktail in his hand and soaking up the rays in florida nursing a so called injury....while across the pond his team mates were battling it out at st james,s park in the depths of winter..

4.) 06 Jun 2019 22:36:43
Hahahaha yeah people forget Sturridge took a sabbatical from football after that first season, I have too say though that season he was rapid, deadly, and world class probably on course too be an all time great, then it all went skeewiff, fair play though he was a good team player this season never moaned but adios amigo .

5.) 06 Jun 2019 23:44:01
That lob against Everton at the Annie Road end.

6.) 07 Jun 2019 01:20:25
I will remember Sturridge as a deadly goalscorer and choose to forget the injuries, the loan (and injury) or the number of times a striker worth tens of millions couldn't get on the pitch because we have the best three strikers in world football.

7.) 06 Jun 2019 22:22:14
Ed25, we get it. You don't like Studge. It's becoming cringeworthy, mate.

{Ed025's Note - its not about liking or disliking him red wolf its about telling the truth, you are all putting him on a pedestal when he has been stealing a living for 5 years, i balance the argument whereas you are falling all over him and looking at him through red tinted glasses as usual, hes not the only one and its not just liverpool players i will say the same about all players i think are kidding the public and fans who pay good money to watch these prima-donnas...thats the difference mate..

8.) 07 Jun 2019 01:45:36
Not all those goals he scored against your lot ed?

{Ed025's Note - hes a very talented individual liverbird but wasted his gift by laziness for me mate..

9.) 07 Jun 2019 07:33:39
I wish him all the best but I can’t disagree with Ed025 on this one. I met Studge outside of the football environment, and found him to be extremely rude and obnoxious when he had no need or reason to be. As I said above, I wish him all the best but i am glad he is off the wage bill.



31 May 2019 19:51:34
I have to say, I have a bad feeling about tomorrow night. This gap between our last game and this is too long and I know it's the same for Spurs but we have shown before that after a break we haven't been at our best. I'm apprehensive which isn't like me one bit. I suppose our recent poor record in European finals doesn't help. 😏.

The Irish Rover

1.) 31 May 2019 20:49:29
The Irish Walter.

2.) 31 May 2019 21:16:09
Listen mate, look were we have came from before klopp came and were we are now 2 champs league finals in a row,2 years of brilliant satisfaction football too die with clear direction and progress, have some faith, admittedly this game is a proper 50 50 an hard, but if we have the desire and focus too play our best footy we can beat anyone in the world. Let's have faith!

3.) 31 May 2019 21:30:09
Poor record? We've been in 8 finals and have won five, what are you on about?

4.) 31 May 2019 22:03:43
I agree Irish Rover. I'm nervous too.

5.) 31 May 2019 23:10:45
IR, cool down, man. You are literally allowing the nerves to get to you unnecessarily. Yes, we have a three week rest BUT we all knew that before hand and so did Klopp and his staff. This has already been planned for as to how to go about filling this three week interval. Hence, comparing this break at the end of a season with no int'l games, to a break during the season where there are int'l games, long distance flight travels, propensity for injury etc., is already a false comparison and one that makes NO sense under any type of logic.

This is a final. A one off game where ANYTHING can happen. Whatever happened good or bad, in the PL season will NOT apply here and you are going to have to accept that. Klopp has shown thru out this season that he has a team full of players who are supremely focused, calm, cool and composed under pressure esp. since we've been playing Cup finals for the past 4 months in the PL and CL. Don't fret, man. we will be fully prepared at all levels for the task at hand. YNWA, my friend!



07 May 2019 22:35:30
Suarez said he wouldn't celebrate at Anfield! He was right! 😃😃😃.

The Irish Rover

{Ed0333's Note - that is absolutely hilarious mate. Kudos to you. 🤣

1.) 07 May 2019 22:45:51
Absolutely Love that.

2.) 07 May 2019 22:44:26
😂😂😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I had no problem with him celebrating in the 1st leg but any bit of me that still liked him is gone after all his diving, crying and trying to get Liverpool players booked. I hate players not celebrating against their former teams. It’s so disrespectful to their current fans and employers. I’m still not sure I’m not having a heart attack after that game. Talk about contrasting emotions between tonight and last night.

3.) 07 May 2019 22:44:49
Classic Irish Rover. Best way to answer the likes of Suarez and Coutinho. Amazing!

4.) 07 May 2019 22:40:36
Post of the night! 😂.

5.) 07 May 2019 22:41:54
Hahahaha brilliant.

6.) 07 May 2019 22:42:06
Brilliant that irish! 🤣🤣.

7.) 07 May 2019 22:42:33

8.) 07 May 2019 22:52:26
😂😂😂 Brilliant Rover!

9.) 07 May 2019 23:01:54
😂👏 Superb.

10.) 07 May 2019 23:41:54
Any lingering affection I still had for Suarez as an ex-Liverpool player has completely gone following his antics tonight. Both him and Coutinho should have stayed with a big club.

{Ed0333's Note - what did Suarez do tonite?

11.) 07 May 2019 23:51:38
You're a riot, IR. Brilliant!



02 May 2019 15:20:41
As I tell my kids, things are never as bad as they seem and also never as good as you make out. A bit of perspective is required. You have negative posters, Walter and super positive ones, Salah. Both can be equally frustrating to some posters but in between you have perspective, a little bit of reality is needed. We played well enough and got chinned. We can only go out and try our best in the returning fixture. Reality is we should not get thru but we can still try to win and see what happens. It's not all doom and gloom folks, cheer up! 😉😁.

The Irish Rover

1.) 02 May 2019 15:29:33
Totally agree Rover.

2.) 02 May 2019 15:47:17
Fantastic post Rover :)

3.) 02 May 2019 15:49:27
A 3-0 away defeat in a 2 leg semi final is about as bad as it gets. Invest all that time and effort to get to a semi and then throw it all away with negative tactics.

In football terms, how does it get worse? They let us down, more specifically Klopp let us all down.

4.) 02 May 2019 16:04:17
Unfortunately I can't agree with you Ron. If Salah, Milner or Mane score their great chances. Does Klopp get it wrong then if its 3-2 or even 3-3? They scored their few chances, we didn't. It's bad luck or bad finishing if you want. I certainly don't think the players or Klopp let us down at all. Gini up front was a strange one, I agree but it didn't stop us creating, we just didn't score this time. It happens, not too often for this team.

5.) 02 May 2019 16:14:44
Totally agree Rover, thanks for reminding us.

Ron, one of the few occasions that I disagree with you mate, and I mean totally disagree with you.

As Rover said, those people who say we got thrashed, and those who say we bossed them are both wrong. Both teams played really well - most commentators agree it was a pulsating and riveting game of football with two pretty evenly matched teams.

The stats back that up - we slightly edged the possession (53/ 47) and they edged shots on target (5/ 4). Stats can quite often be misleading, but in this case, they were an accurate reflection of the game that I watched.

What it comes down to is that they took their chances and we didn't. Even coming down to the woodwork - on another day, Salah's shot sneaks in, and Suarez's shot goes out for a GK - 2-1.

We're all still hurting from a bad night, don't let it cloud your judgement.

6.) 02 May 2019 16:19:11
Who says klopp has the God given right to get it right everytime. No one does a better job than klopp and he has the right to get it wrong if at all he got it wrong. Last night.

Some really don't know how good we got it at the moment. Enjoy it.

He played a system yesterday that could and should have given us a far better return.

Had we got the penalty who knows what would have happened.

Lets put this into perspective. Teams do not go to Barcelona and play how we played last night. It don't happen. Just ask psg.

What I loved yesterday was how impressive it is to see how far we have come and then klopp assessment after the game.

And what I really love is we CAN give it a go at anfield. We have the manager and the players and the fans. How great is it to know we can on our day knock 3 past them easily and no one will think it a fluke. One our day we are one of the b3st teams in the world now.

We have demanded Barcelona respect us and they will.

And if we don't succeed, so what.

We have had a great great season.

Those expecting perfection should follow city as they have the finances to try and achieve it. Sorry that is harsh but pisses me off when we lose and the arrogant army comes out to play.

Do we really need reminding that we have only just got rid of the likes of markovic. No offense intended Marco.

That's how far we have come.

Enjoy it, get behind the team and let's give it em.

Let them work for it if they want it.

7.) 02 May 2019 16:20:26
I haven't posted anything negative after the match as not to be told I am trying to wind people up.
Before the game I said 3-1 loss.

8.) 02 May 2019 16:41:26
Ron, I know the defeat to Barcelona has hurt you but negative tactics? OK, Gomez in for TAA maybe but a lot of posters were calling for that extra bit of defensive assurance before the game. We attacked for most of the game, created 5 or 6 good chances but didn’t take them. Barcelona did less attacking and took their chances, fair play to them. Sometimes football just gives you a kick in the wotsits.

{Ed025's Note - i thought you were unlucky WW, it was never a 3-0 game mate..

9.) 02 May 2019 16:41:44
Have to agree with Ron on this one, negative tactics against an aging side have left us with another trophyless season barring a miracle from somewhere.

10.) 02 May 2019 16:53:05
Bmena-Red, I am confused by you and Ron. Can you explain what you mean by ‘negative tactics’ please? Cheers mate.

11.) 02 May 2019 17:04:16
Klopp got the tactics wrong with both Gini and Gomez but we can turn it around, although it’s going to be tough.

12.) 02 May 2019 17:07:05
Gini as a false 9, I had to check if it was May 1st or April 1st.

{Ed025's Note - as false as they come mark..

13.) 02 May 2019 17:12:37
I’ve just read the transcript of a post-match interview with Klopp on the official Liverpool FC website - I recommend it to all posters as it is a really good read. Klopp has got to be the most honest manager in football (at least in post-match interviews, eh Ed002). This is what he had to say in response to a question on whether Liverpool deserved more than they got from the game:

“I’m not sure if we deserved a lot more than we got; we played a really good football game but at the end they scored three and we didn’t score, so that’s easy to accept. In football you have different things as a manager you have to judge. For me, it’s very important how we played and I’m completely happy, I told the boys I’m proud of how we played. I think it was the best away game in the Champions League, not only this year, last year included. Against a side like this, playing this kind of football I was completely happy. We played between the lines, we didn’t play through, we were in the box, we had really good chances and caused them a lot of problems – that’s good.

The Champions League is now like this: if you lose away it’s not a massive problem, it can happen, as long as you score a goal. That’s the problem tonight, we didn’t score that goal, so that makes our life now not easy, to be honest. But from my point of view my boys gained a lot of respect again for the way they played, how they developed. I had so much fun, really, in that game but at the end we lost it and that’s now not really funny. But I’m long enough in the business that I had to learn to accept things like this and I do that obviously. That’s it. ”

Time for some of Klopp’s perspective for all of us.

{Ed025's Note - im not sure you know WW, being completely happy after a 3-0 defeat is a bit of a strange statement for me...mind you he is as mad as a box of frogs mate..

14.) 02 May 2019 17:15:56
In a weird way it would have been better if we played Barcelona at anfield first. At least then we would have a leg to stand on in the return leg. This myth that away legs are better to play first have been well and truly dispelled the last couple years, we seem to do better playing at home first.

I think there was slight errors in the way we set up and the team we put out there, we should have gone for broke and risked firmino and stuck with Trent but Klopp seems to be a no risk manager when it comes to injuries and it hasn’t paid off once again. I won’t say tactics is the problem in this game specifically but in the biggest games Klopp seems to lack the cutting edge required to outsmart opponents in a final or a pressure situation, I think he approaches it exactly how he would in any other scenario and that for me is wrong. I think he’s proven he can evolve as a manager and this is something he’ll need to fix going forward if he will be remembered as one of the best. I can name 3 occasions this season where the pressure was on us to take charge of our own destiny and we faltered, once was against city to go 10 points clear, once was against Leicester to go 7 points clear with less games to go and last night was another. Remarkable season but we’re ultimately left empty handed and this is why some pessismists are actually the realists when it comes to us, we know what will eventually happen because 9/ 10 that’s what happens. It’s great to be an optimist but it’s been blind optimism at times saying certain results weren’t bad and that we can still do it, those guys have been proved wrong once again.

One or two of those goals go in for us and it’s a different game but it’s typical that they didn’t, CL is over and so is the league (although there’s slight hope of the league and I wouldn’t begrudge anyone for believing it’s still possible) . I’m not negative I’m just realistic. Personally I think we deserve to be PL winners because our hurdles have been harder to climb than cities but that’s subjective, in the CL we were lucky to get this far to be honest, definitely overachieved there.

15.) 02 May 2019 17:20:42
Ww playing gomez there sent negative msg on field especially when all the space we were afforded in the flanks.

We didn't boss the game, that's how Barcelona plays now days. We needed taa and robo putting crosses after crosses after all both have something like 20/ 21 assists? and that's where our creativity comes from and would allow salah and mane to play more narrow rather then salah finding most of the times wider or running from half ground.

Whoever watches Barcelona week in week out will tell that's how they play.

They hardly dominate matches now days even small teams in laliga run rings around them but they only need 2/ 3 chances to kill you.

Valverde plays defensive footy like benitez or mourinho not progressing footy like klopp or pep in fact most of the times they're happy playing counter attacking style

We needed shakiri there upfront then wiji playing over 70 minutes as false 9 there.

anyways we need to move on and focus on Newcastle then Barcelona coz any early goal and we can tear barca.

Tbh Ron we made barca's defence look good w/ our conservative style. They're prone to collapse w/ just Lil bit of pressure. I hope and pray on Tuesday we come out attacking them like last season how we attacked teams w/ pace and power
instead of getting worried they might score.

16.) 02 May 2019 17:27:19
Ed025, Klopp was completely happy with the kind of football we played, not the result. He might be mad but not that mad!

{Ed025's Note - its the completely bit that confused me WW, i would only ever be completely happy if i won mate....and he is as nutty as a squirrels fart by the way..

17.) 02 May 2019 17:26:55
When things get tough people show their true colours. We all know who the whiners are now.

18.) 02 May 2019 17:41:41
90% of what Klopp has done for LFC has to be really appreciated, he has improved us a huge amount. But last night he got it wrong on the pitch and what he said afterwards is not right either. Klopp says that is the best we have played for 2 years in the cl away. We were better v Bayern, Porto, hoffenheim.

We played well last night but which player got a 9 or even an 8? I don't think any player played at the top of their game. As an example Salah played well overall but around the box he was poor. Robertson defended well, covered loads of ground but let down by his final ball.

19.) 02 May 2019 17:55:01
Personally, I think we were a little bit unlucky last night. We could have got 1 or 2 away goals but we always do things the hard way don't we?

We did it in the CL final against AC Milan, we did it against West Ham in the FA Cup final in 06, even in the treble season in 01, we needed an own goal in ET to win vs Alavez and we needed penalties against Birmingham. In the 2012 League Cup final against Cardiff we needed penalties and against Dortmund in 2016 we needed a last minute winner to advance 5-4 to the Semi Finals of the Europa League. Then more recently (last season) we had the semi final vs Roma, which nearly got away from us.

I believe we can do it, I believe we can win the league this season too.

20.) 02 May 2019 19:00:36
A very wise post, refreshing to see these days! nice one mate.

21.) 02 May 2019 19:13:01
People need to look at it this way, we have come up against 2 things that may stop us winning a trophy,

1. The best player in the world on one of his best days.

2. A record breaking man city team who have a bottomless pit of money.

A bit a perspective is needed here.

22.) 02 May 2019 19:27:12
Sorry Ron BUT you are wrong regarding Klopp and "negative tactics". How could LFC have put Barcelona under severe pressure, created a host of clear chances to score at least two goals, make Barcelona fans boo their own team etc, by playing your so-called "negative tactics"? Utterly ridiculous.

I know you and many of us are frustrated with the result and how we could/ should have gotten something from the game BUT let's not go around blaming Klopp based on unfounded dross, ok?

Also, you said we "threw the game away". Again, where do you get this stuff from? What game did we throw away? Did we have the lead? How can you throw away something you never had? I know a 3-0 defeat is a 3-0 defeat and I am not for one second, trying to whitewash that fact.

What I am saying is that two things can be correct at the same time. We bossed Barcelona on their own patch and did not take our chances. They did. They punished our mistakes. We did not punish theirs. End of story. That is in essence what games at this level, are decided by. Cheers, mate.

23.) 02 May 2019 19:41:17
Piffmunda, that’s all well and true but what about in the past, did those factors exist then as well? That’s the reason people have become pessimistic because it doesn’t matter what the scenario is, we fail to get over the line at the most crucial times. We’ve lost almost as many finals in cup competitions as we’ve won in the premier league era and I’m not even counting second place finishes, eventually it becomes frustraiting.

24.) 02 May 2019 19:51:56
Wolf -
1) Negative tactics - it’s called an opinion, I’m entitled to it and a lot of posters think along the same lines. Lack of width on the right and a lack of Firmino
2) “throw a game” - it’s a turn of phrase which basically means he gave up on the game and didn’t try to win.
3) Boss the game? I hate to break it to you but you sound like your mate Rogers. He used to say “we controlled the game” when we got stuffed. Control the game vs control the result. I know which I prefer.

25.) 02 May 2019 20:23:03
Ron, I respect your opinion as always but I think if you were to watch the match again you might not be as critical of Klopp and the performance. Liverpool were positive from start to last. Neither Klopp nor the players gave up on the game even at 3-0. While I agree that WITH HINDSIGHT Gomez at RB and Wijnaldum at CF didn’t work out, there was a sound logic for those selections. For me, we lost 3-0 simply because we did not take our chances and Barcelona did (including an unstoppable free kick from Messi) . Team selection, tactics, etc are all secondary to that simple fact.

26.) 02 May 2019 20:32:18
WW. On the match chat, before KO I wasn’t positive, I saw no Bobby and knew we were in for a bad night. Tsk about chances all you like, 3-0 is a pasting.
There was no hindsight and my mates watching all agreed Klopp has set up for a draw.
These lads go to all the home games every week and many away for decades, they know all about the team. One of them posts on here too.

27.) 02 May 2019 20:42:25
Gini has never played that position for Liverpool and he won't again. Gomez injured for 4 months played 10 minutes, then starts away to Barcelona in not his best position. Not sure I need hindsight I said the same the second I saw the line up.

I am not sure why we can't praise when they deserve (which has been most of the season) but when mistakes are clearly made there is no point pretending otherwise. We shouldn't just bury our head in the sand. For the record I thought we played quite well but we need to be better. That free kick was just out of this world btw.

28.) 02 May 2019 20:44:58
Ron, fair enough, we will have to disagree on this one. Keep the faith mate, it ain’t over until . we’ll, you know the rest. YNWA.

29.) 02 May 2019 21:11:40
Wirral mate what logic was there to play wiji as false 9?

{Ed001's Note - that neither Sturridge or Origi had worked up top when starting so he was trying someone else instead of sticking with what did not work?}

30.) 02 May 2019 21:32:10
That neither Sturridge or Origi had worked up top when starting so he was trying someone else instead of sticking with what did not work. 😉.

{Ed025's Note - but is a european cup semi-final really the place for experimentation WW?, bobby was on the bench so i presume he was fit so maybe it was a tactical move by klopp that backfired mate..

31.) 02 May 2019 21:41:49
Fit to be in the bench = fit to start (unless you’re coming back from a long term lay off)

If you’re on the bench, presumably you’re able to come on if, heaven forbid, a player sustains a broken leg in the first minute.

{Ed025's Note - i would be very surprised if bobby was on the bench and not fully fit ron, that would be as bad as playing a non-scoring midfielder as a false No 9 mate..

32.) 02 May 2019 21:48:02
People underplaying our potential imo.
I *expected* us to go out there and give them a game. Let’s not pat ourselves on the back too much for that, we were more than capable.
Did we do as well as we could?
No, it could have been better. It’s frustrating because that wasn’t the true Liverpool out there.
And you’re dead right Ed025, the semi final is not the time for trying to be clever and experimenting. Badly backfired.

33.) 02 May 2019 21:49:40
but is a european cup semi-final really the place for experimentation WW?, bobby was on the bench so i presume he was fit so maybe it was a tactical move by klopp that backfired mate. 😄.

34.) 02 May 2019 21:59:51
Ed0025, there must have been a question mark over Bobby’s fitness to start and complete the game otherwise he would have been selected. I don’t think it was a tactical move to leave him out although it was a tactical move to select Wijnaldum in his place. Yes, it was a gamble but he has played very well in a number of positions this season. Would it have been any less of a gamble to play Origi or Sturridge when neither has been convincing as a starter recently? And, after all, Klopp, Ed001 and Wirral Wonder can’t all be wrong can we?

{Ed025's Note - i think you are all giving klopp a get out of jail free card WW, you are liverpool supporters trying to put a positive spin on things and thats fine by me mate, i actually thought you played very well and were a tad unlucky to be honest..

35.) 02 May 2019 22:04:40
But we all said before the game, play Origi wide and Mane as the centre forward they could inter change. I am not sure what people mean playing Origi up top doesn't work, I don't remember him playing there this season.

Watford at home he played wide left had a decent game. It seems the same people who said Origi should stay now don't want him to play. What's the point in him staying if we have injuries and he still doesn't play. I will never accept that Gini as a false 9 could ever be even considered a viable option.

As ed025 says it was a European cup semi final away to Barcelona and we experiment with a line up the most we have all season.

36.) 02 May 2019 22:18:54
Ron, let me disect your points in your last post:

1) Negative tactics - it’s called an opinion, I’m entitled to it and a lot of posters think along the same lines. Lack of width on the right and a lack of Firmino.

Bobbie was injured so what were you expecting? U talk as if Bobbie could play BUT Klopp chose not to start him. Klopp played the hand he was dealt and the tactics for the most part worked even tho we had to cope with Naby getting subbed off. We still did not skip a beat with Hendo. That is not an opinion. That is a fact.

2) “throw a game” - it’s a turn of phrase which basically means he gave up on the game and didn’t try to win.

He gave up on the game and did not try to win? Utter dross, gain. How do you not try to win a game where you created enuff chances to score two goals? Again, ridiculousness at it's finest.

3) Boss the game? I hate to break it to you but you sound like your mate Rogers. He used to say “we controlled the game” when we got stuffed. Control the game vs control the result. I know which I prefer.

Again, you fail to grasp context. We DID control the game for long spells to the point that Valverde had to take off Cou and bring in a defender to push Sergi Roberto into midfield cos AGAIN, they were getting bossed as they could not get out of their own half in the second half where in the first 20 mins, we had 3 chances to score and they had, NONE.

All I have mentioned is that we did lose 3-0 and that is what it is BUT that was NEVER a 3-0 game based on what we all saw. The game came down to who made more mistakes and we made too many of them and you can't overcome that many ESP. if you fail to punish theirs. IMO, you sound petulant and pissed cos Klopp did not do what you wanted hence cos we lost, everything went wrong. That is too simplistic even for you.

Unlike you, I don't want Klopp to do what I want. I want him to be coherent in his thinking to the point that I may not agree with what he does BUT at least I can understand it and I fully understand what he tried to do here and I'm fine with it, result nothwitstanding.

37.) 02 May 2019 22:26:25
Kopitef, I see what you did there and I love it! Now, I have been posting all day and I am not really match fit for that and my game is more suited to occasional rather than continuous posting. It has left me physically and emotionally drained so I am signing off, having a good night’s sleep (unlike last night) and will start preparing for the Newcastle match tomorrow.

38.) 02 May 2019 22:34:42
Wolf - like ed025 suggested you are giving Klopp a get out of jail free card.
He’s human, he makes mistakes. I’m sorry, but that is a fact you are going to have to deal with sooner or later.

He messed up last night. You don’t put injured players on the bench in a CL semi final. If he did then it is yet more evidence of his failure last night.

I love Klopp as our manager but he makes occasional clangers at crucial defining times and last night was an example.

39.) 02 May 2019 22:21:55
Excellent and honest reply ed25 mate "trying to put a spin" love it 👏👏🙏🙏.

40.) 02 May 2019 23:54:27
Who else other than Gini would equal the work rate of bobby in that position? I thought he pressed well and considering he hadn’t played there before did ok. He played more than any players on the bench this season and therefore has a better understanding of the system and his team mates. I think that’s why he played there. Bobby obviously wasn’t fit enough to start but was on the bench for an emergency which was how he was used. Irresponsible? Maybe but who would of moaned if Klopp admitted that and bobby had got an away goal? Not me and not any of you. I agree we could of tried TAA down the right but Gomez was obviously selected to counter the threat of Alba and allow Robertson a bit more freedom to get forward but unfortunately he couldn’t cross to save his life last night. It did mean he occupied more of the defenders attention which allowed Mane the space to run riot but did not result in a goal. Klopps plan was a good one I think but it didn’t work this time. Time to move on and keep the pressure on city. This will all be forgotten if we win the league or tank Barcelona 4-0 next week.

41.) 03 May 2019 05:09:57
Have a great sleep WW mate.



12 Jan 2019 21:07:10
Who is Boringdave? I've never even seen him post before tonight. Crawl back under the rock you came from and leave this site for people who are genuinely interested in the real info, whether they like it or not. This site will be better without you, that's for sure.

The Irish Rover

1.) 12 Jan 2019 22:09:15
It’s just a troll using multiple accounts, at least when me and Salah do it, it’s a little classy. For the record, let me just state now, that me and Salah, are indeed not the same poster, merely posters with similar thinking that enjoy ridiculing those who use multiple accounts.

{Ed0333's Note - I blame Brendan Rogers.

2.) 12 Jan 2019 22:21:34
Lol exactly aoe!

3.) 12 Jan 2019 22:30:09
Haha 😂 we know aoe, just fun to play along with it sometimes.

And Ed333 blaming Rodgers is a bit harsh at least show some character and blame koncheskys mum.

4.) 13 Jan 2019 00:52:07
Count me in on that aoe.

5.) 13 Jan 2019 03:05:02

Are you blaming rodgers because aoe and salah both have showed great character!

{Ed001's Note - shouldn't that be 'characters'?}




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Jordan Henderson 32 games, 1 goals 3 assists

Gini 35 games 3 goals, no assists
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Cenk Tosun 39 games 8 goals
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