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17 Jun 2022 12:14:56
So, according to Sky, Bayern Munich will be back with an offer for Sadio that matches Liverpool’s valuation.

Sadio gets the new challenge and contract he wants,

BM get the player they want.

Liverpool get the amount they want.

A win-win-win situation.

Good business on our part.

West Derby Wanderer

1.) 17 Jun 2022 12:38:39
I wouldn’t be placing too much trust on what sky sports news says.

Bayern are in town for talks today.
No doubt something will be resolved this weekend.
Will it be for the £42mil we priced him at remains to be seen.
I doubt it though.


2.) 17 Jun 2022 12:46:07
Yeah great deal that just about half pays the Nunez deal and the saving on wages from what a new contract Mane would have been granted helps keeps the wage budget lower.


3.) 17 Jun 2022 13:24:22
Think it'll be a bit below the £42.5m meself.


4.) 17 Jun 2022 13:42:07
I suspect it will be the usual contract these days - short of the 42.5 but will be about the figure with the add ons.


5.) 17 Jun 2022 15:33:07
Read something that said Southampton are entitled to a % of anything over what we paid for him. Can any of the Eds tell us if that's true please?

{Ed002's Note - That is correct.}


6.) 17 Jun 2022 15:42:31
Brilliant tweet from CPHQ over on Twatter

Sadio Manes record vs Crystal Palace
Games: 14
Goals: 13
Assists: 3
Wins: 13

He can't hurt us anymore ?.


7.) 17 Jun 2022 16:04:50
Thanks Ed002.


8.) 17 Jun 2022 16:11:26
Sly saying the deal is done. £27.5m with a further £5m based on appearances and another £2.5m based on individual and team achievements.


9.) 17 Jun 2022 19:40:29
Absolutely gutted about him going. I know players move on but I just think he was a brilliant player.


10.) 18 Jun 2022 02:11:07
Sadio has been a fantastic player for us and played a part in pretty much all our major successes. I wish him the best of luck, he leaves a modern day club icon and will always be welcome back.


 

 

18 Jan 2022 23:08:29
Eds, if you have the time can you provide a quick update on the likelihood of departures during the current window, please?

The press have made intermittent mention of Nat Phillips, Neco Williams and Big Div but it all seems a bit like rumours rather than anything concrete.

West Derby Wanderer

{Ed002's Note - It will be no different to that I previously explained.}


1.) 19 Jan 2022 08:32:04
You'd like to think poor Nat can get himself a move!


2.) 19 Jan 2022 01:30:46
Thanks for the response Ed - seems apart from Aston Villa and perhaps Newcastle there’s not a lot of activity.


3.) 19 Jan 2022 08:54:25
Burnley are going to need him for division 1, when 1/ 2 of their CB's leave.
With the toon buying Carlos, they are out, and no new word on West Ham .
Ed's say he's overpriced, but what else can be bought for 12/ 15m?


4.) 19 Jan 2022 09:33:46
Best option would be to loan for rest of season and then look to sell him in the summer.


5.) 19 Jan 2022 23:02:13
Isnt Nat still out injured with a broken cheekbone? In which case that could effect the likelihood of him leaving.


6.) 20 Jan 2022 04:26:58
Back in training according to Lijnders.


7.) 20 Jan 2022 12:18:08
I think Newcastle will come in at the end of the window and make a bid close to what we’re asking as all their other attempts are falling on their arse.


8.) 20 Jan 2022 14:07:08
Can’t you just put a Zoro mask on for a broken cheekbone and carry on playing?


 

 

 

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10 Aug 2022 04:24:15
In the year of our Lord, 2022, we have played 20 Premier League fixtures.

We have won 16 and drawn 4.

We haven’t lost a match and have a win percentage of 80%.

Just thought I’d mention the fact - note the fact - not an opinion or subject that’s open for discussion, unlike a lot of the content on this site since early Saturday afternoon.

West Derby Wanderer

1.) 10 Aug 2022 05:56:04
WDW isn’t this what the site if for though mate discussion.

Let’s be honest it’s a great stat that shows what a great side we have but the truth is 19 of those 20 games have no bearing on this season.

I don’t understand why the negative posters have triggered the positive posters so much. It’s their opinion and on the grand scheme of things it has zero baring or influence on the club like any of my opinions do.


2.) 10 Aug 2022 06:05:31
It’s a phenomenal record, as is our general record under Klopp. No one is under any illusion that we are anything other than a superb team, but it does make one wonder what else we might have achieved, and still could, had the team been equipped with just a little bit more.


3.) 10 Aug 2022 06:14:13
Sorry for my fellow posters but I no longer bother checking the site after a game like Fulham as the negativity becomes too boring and repetitive.


4.) 10 Aug 2022 08:16:35
100% The Jurgenator I don’t come on and look for a couple days the negativity is insane at the moment.


5.) 10 Aug 2022 09:01:47
I don't blame you Kloppers and Jurgenator. If the negative posters actually focused on more underlining issues the team has like for ex., how LFC have started games poorly of late conceding the first goal for the 5th time in a row vs Fulham rather than on their petty tantrums/ agendas about what the club isn't doing to please them, we may actually get somewhere and get good debates and solutions. But that's not what they are here for now, is it? Negativity and gloating is their order of the day. Can't be arsed, really.


6.) 10 Aug 2022 09:35:17
@JK I understand that 19 of the 20 games were ‘last season’ but to suggest they have no relevance is nsive. Are you suggesting that in the 12 weeks since the season ended the players have forgotten how to play? Are you saying that by November this year there will be a massive fall off in squad skill levels and player capabilities? Of course players age and of course other teams change things don’t remain static but from our perspective ver the course of the year we have lost one regular starter and brought in two new starters Diaz and Nunez and potentially a third in Carvalho and a fourth of a now fully fit Elliot.

There’s no doubt that the performance against Fulham was poor. Equally there was no doubt that the performance against City the week before was very good.

My point was / is that the over thinking and negativity after one below par game is unwarranted when looked at a bit more objectively and the fact that we are unbeaten in the league this calendar year would suggest that a lot f the opinions expressed are not based in anything close to resembling fact.


7.) 10 Aug 2022 09:35:33
It’s cos the negative posters are irrational and their solutions are unrealistic.


8.) 10 Aug 2022 09:37:26
Yebbut, we lost the CL final and couldn't a score a goal in two domestic finals so we need a number nine.
Oh, hang on.


9.) 10 Aug 2022 09:49:54
They're not supporters Oli. They are glory seekers.
Supporters get behind the team no matter what, glory seekers will moan incessantly if we aren't romping to a win every single game we play.
Look at some of the posts even when we do win, some can only ever see what was done wrong (in their limited perception) .


10.) 10 Aug 2022 10:00:06
So I'm not alone in this. This is the first time I visited the site since the game and still there is a lot of talk about it and negative talk I mean by that. Slowly I feel that most of us will quit visiting the site at all unfortunately. Some people allready left I assume as you barely see them posting if at all.

Some people forgot where were we 5 to 6 years ago and that what we achieved and keep on achieving is not something common and it is once in a lifetime thing. But yeah, let's trash talk anything and anyone all the time.


11.) 10 Aug 2022 10:12:07
If the negative posters are on the wind up its def working as its like loose women on here lol.

WDW wasn't a dig at you mate and i agreed with what you were saying as it shows what an amazing team and manager we have here. I was disappointed more than annoyed with Sat because as Klopp put it, it was the attitudes that let us down. The beauty of this squad is we will likely go on some silly winning run now to prove the doubters wrong but the truth is the Fulham result could still bite us in the ass.

In answer to your question mate i've not mentioned players abilities or there will be a fall off as we all know if we can keep our best players available then there won't be.

All I'm saying is that 19 of the results have no bearing on this season as the league table shows us on 1 point rather than 52.


12.) 10 Aug 2022 10:17:26
Guys this isn't by no means a dig at anyone and its actually quite worrying to read but if what people say on an internet fans page forum effects you that much that you're having to stay off the page or are thinking of quitting it then maybe for your own health you shouldn't be on such sites.

I read lots of posts on here that go from one extreme to another and majority i probably don't agree with but i either find them amusing or i simply scroll past.

If fans moaning about a game of football is effecting some that much then maybe get out in the sunshine and spend time with the family as its not good for you doing something that is clearly causing you distress.


13.) 10 Aug 2022 11:12:42
It's not about health JK. At least for me. It is boring and it is just waste of time. I feel for the eds and to be honest I am surprised they did not said enough is enough and closed the site. Its been alfull these last 2-3 years. And note that we do not see behind the scenes and all the abusive comments that are deleted.


14.) 10 Aug 2022 11:13:02
mmmm I’m in two minds on that one JK. I get what you’re saying, but you’re essentially encouraging irrationality and extremism as normal on here and online. I don’t advocate for that. There is a happy medium for sure but I think we’ve veered away from that hence people are saying they’d prefer to stay away.

The silver lining for me is that people tend to shut up when the team are performing well, which is more often than not. So I look forward to returning to normal order soon.


15.) 10 Aug 2022 11:29:28
You need to be careful in the sunshine, JK. It can be harmful to your health.


16.) 10 Aug 2022 11:33:43
Mart good to hear it’s not effecting your health.

Faith 100% mate I’m not trying to encourage irrationally or extremism (which I think is crazy to even mention) . I’m only speaking for this site mate and any other sites that has toxic behaviour on I choose purposely to stay away from.

I don’t see what the Ed’s don’t post so I cannot and am not commenting on that or justifying it. All I was saying is if the site is causing people issues or making them unhappy then maybe it’s not for them for their own sake.

Anfield has an amazing crowd and every time I’ve been I’ve always seen or heard the occasion moaner who isn’t happy but it doesn’t mean I would leave Anfield for it.

By no means am I encouraging people to be toxic toward each other on here and I’ve not seen any kind of personal arguments on here and all I’ve seen is different of opinions.

Personally If 99% of people had a different opinion to me it wouldn’t matter. As my opinions is my opinion and it’s personal to me.


17.) 10 Aug 2022 13:12:01
Long and short positive and negative supporters can't understand why everyone doesn't think like they do. Its as if other opinions aren't allowed irrespective of how far fetched they are.
Imagine if everyone had the same opinion, a bunch a yes men! Form your own opinion, debate the point and don't get your knickers in a twist.
If you can't do that or it upsets you then any form of social media isn't for you. Reality is that it doesn't really matter, its football, in the grand scheme of things it mean very little. Baffles me that people get so annoyed and wound up.


18.) 10 Aug 2022 13:48:42
There's a bit of a difference between making a point and coming on here on a daily basis and ranting the same old negative rubbish.
The same negative rubbish that then totally disappears when we win a couple of games on the trot.
Quite often now I'll see someone's name on a post and just scroll past as I can often predict almost word for word what they have to say.
That isn't commenting, that's venting.
I don't see the point in it as it's not as if the posters or Eds on here can buy players or influence Klopp in any way.
But it takes all sorts.


19.) 10 Aug 2022 14:27:08
When I scroll past peoples posts I couldn’t tell you if they were talking rubbish. That’s the whole idea of scrolling past.


20.) 10 Aug 2022 20:49:33
It’s clear as Crystal that we are weak in midfield but Klopp won’t have it.


21.) 10 Aug 2022 23:40:09
I'm fine with opinions. but when the opinion seems to be "FSG suck because they haven't signed a 10th midfielder" then we're just on different planets to having a sound discussion. This is at the heart of what people are saying when talking about staying away from the discussion.


22.) 11 Aug 2022 06:49:23
Si Faithinworks. You talk about people complaining about a 10th midfielder. It could easily be argued that 3 are quite injury prone, 1 is ancient, 2 are kids etc etc. So in actual fact it isn't as cut and dried as you might think. All opinions should be welcome and debated respectfully.

The above isn't my opinion but I'm willing to understand where they are coming from and it doesn't annoy me one bit.


23.) 11 Aug 2022 22:08:46
No I'm not just talking about people complaining about a 10th midfielder. the discussion point is why some people are saying they will leave the site alone. So I am just making the point that it isn't just about opinions, at the root of it is having reasonable debate and discussion in reality. and spilling guts over a midfield group that is already stacked is part of the reason why other posters are saying they take a break from on here.

so if you want to discuss the actual midfielders we already have then that is a far different discussion. and given Klopp gets all the praise for his apparent recruitment, then he should be getting all the blame for these injury prone players. I don't prescribe to that, but the reality is that these players are here and unless Klopp is going to move some on to bring others in that we're stuck with. Is that Klopp's fault? I don't think so, but people seem to think he has done all the recruiting so then surely logic follows that this rests solely at his feet.

For me, the midfield is fine. 9 bodies. mix of youth, experience. yes there are injured players and we have plenty of cover to make do. We've never been the kind of club to have 9 first choice players for any position group. that is the reality for us so Klopp has to do the work to make it work with the players he has. which is plenty!


 

 

10 Aug 2022 01:23:39
Jeez, even Everton have bought a midfielder.

West Derby Wanderer

1.) 10 Aug 2022 08:52:10
It’s funny because for years they’ve had too many and no strikers and injured defenders and they’re still buying more plus I heard guaye is going back there so unless they’re having a midfield clear out soon or more are going to play for the HMP team they’ll be a really unbalanced squad.


2.) 10 Aug 2022 09:04:58
WDW, don't do it. It's not worth the hassle.


3.) 10 Aug 2022 09:38:38
Congratulations. Now they have the same number of midfielders as us.


 

 

06 Aug 2022 22:19:35
Brentford September 21/ 22 - Deja vu

Poor performances but neither was / is the end of the world.

West Derby Wanderer

1.) 06 Aug 2022 23:39:33
WDW unfortunately with City as our main rivals 2 points can be the difference between winning the league and finishing 2nd.

Of course it’s only the first game of the season but with us and them there’s never much leg room to drop points and with us dropping them on game day 1 it makes that leg room that little bit tighter over the next 37 games. Hopefully West Ham can do us a Favour tomoz.


2.) 06 Aug 2022 23:59:07
May not be the end of the world, but it was performances like that against Brighton, Leicester, West Ham as well as an inability to beat the other top four sides that did for us last year. Truth is that City would pump them for four or five goals. Second place again this season.


3.) 07 Aug 2022 00:44:55
For a bit of perspective, City lost their opener last year.


4.) 07 Aug 2022 01:18:23
Southampton proved twice last year that even City can drop points to teams they're expected to beat.


5.) 07 Aug 2022 05:34:47
For me it’s the disappointment that we’ve seen it all many times before. Early kick off so poor attitude and start in this weird lazy mode. Trent shocking defending and casual, midfield ineffective and lacking game changing moments, bad selection decisions eg to start Bobby and not let Nunez off leash, usual over reliance on Salah to score and get us out of trouble. Klopp is a results machine so I’m sure we’ll get back on track but we’ll no doubt see these performances occasionally again.


6.) 07 Aug 2022 06:25:09
For another bit of perspective we closed a considerable gap on City (double figure points lead) down to 1 point last season. There’s a long way to go between now and the end of the season.


7.) 07 Aug 2022 08:30:04
We are undefeated in early kickoffs in well over 4 years now so let's pipe down with that mess about poor attitude as none of that was the issue, IMO. I think we were just a bag of nerves and with the way Fulham started and made the game a physical battle, we simply couldn’t match them in the first half. Not sure why that was.

Also, there were some poor to bang average performances on there that made things near impossible to overcome BUT all that said, we could have put 6 past them with the chances we created so there’s that.

Us needing a fav from WH vs City after just one game is just OTT stuff that makes no sense right now. Pipe down with that cos It’s the first game of the season and we had a 3 point lead over City after the first game last season. Did we win the title? Yeah, didn’t think so. We take the lessons and move on.


8.) 07 Aug 2022 11:33:22
Are you asking or telling people to pipe down?

Either way you’ll get the same outcome ?.


9.) 07 Aug 2022 11:24:05
OliRed, “Pipe down with that mess about poor attitudes”?

Even Klopp said the attitude wasn’t right in his post match interview.

We couldn’t match them because the attitude stank. Let’s not get it twisted.


10.) 07 Aug 2022 17:43:10
Fly, I stand corrected. I read kater that Klopp slammed the players attitude.


 

 

06 Aug 2022 15:07:55
Naby ill, Curtis with a mystery injury, ox with a hamstring and now Thiago with a hamstring injury, go on boys, you know you want to say it …….

West Derby Wanderer

1.) 06 Aug 2022 15:21:51
“We’ve got more than enough midfielders to cover”?


2.) 06 Aug 2022 15:36:16
Well I will say it. We all knew Thiago, Ox and Kieta have been injury prone for the last 2 years, so I am amazed that we never signed a mid lfielder in the Summer. It's unfair to expect Carvalho and Elliot to carry us when the above players are missing.


3.) 06 Aug 2022 15:47:19
Doesn’t matter how many midfielders we have. You can never compensate for a dry pitch.


4.) 06 Aug 2022 16:07:39
Dry attitude to being stronger as a football club . Weakest point midfield so let's not address that and start with the same players we ran into the ground last season who are also injury prone ?.


5.) 06 Aug 2022 16:10:50
Instead of whining on here about it, ring up the club and ask to speak to one Jurgen Norbert Klopp. He's the one that has said repeatedly we're finished with signings.


6.) 06 Aug 2022 16:12:27
A poor start from a group of players experienced enough to know better and be fully prepared for opposition like that. I’ve said it for ages, the technical floor of our team is far too distant from its ceiling.
For the first time I can remember, Klopp sounded like an absolute idiot with some of his comments after the game. If he was perhaps a bit more aggressive and proactive in replacing players who have clearly needed replacing for a number of seasons (Keita, Chamberlain, Milner, Henderson, Firmino), we’d actually have everything we need in order to go one further and win the league instead of letting City mop up 4 titles to our 1.


7.) 06 Aug 2022 16:38:40
Pep was licking his lips as soon as it came out we were done with signings. Klopp needs to drop this underdog fetish and get some good midfielders in instead of pandering to rubbish like Henderson Keita and Milner someone in or its 1 title in 8 seasons.


8.) 06 Aug 2022 16:46:19
So we're all Klopp out then because he won't sign a midfielder?


9.) 06 Aug 2022 16:57:22
What kind of idiotic fans do we have? Talk about overreacting! One of the best managers in the world has no idea about his midfield but you guys seem to know it all!


10.) 06 Aug 2022 17:00:40
Oh mane no one has said we need a new midfielder, but we are stating facts the midfield is our weakest point and also injury prone and it will probably decide how successful we are as a team this season .


11.) 06 Aug 2022 17:10:27
It depends on injuries, as Klopp has said.
But not a good start.


12.) 06 Aug 2022 17:01:21
God, stop on the moaning and bitching, it is getting boring. In the 30 years I have supported this club we have never had it so good. Let’s enjoy the ride, and focus on the positive.


13.) 06 Aug 2022 17:16:20
I think it’s truth against reality.

Truth is Klopp would love a Bellingham if we could or were willing to sign him. The guys said that himself.

Reality is everything is pointing in the direction that we’re not going to sign him this season or maybe any season.

Truth is we have lots of players that can play midfield.

Reality is Thiago, Jones, Naby and Ox are all now unavailable for however long, Milner is coming to the end of his career and Elliot is starting his. Then we have Carvalho that so far Klopp has played in the front 3.

Without speaking everyone’s minds I’m 99.9% positive no one wants Klopp out but Klopp was not happy with the performance today so why can’t we as fans also be.

If we drew today because of a mistake by Naby, Jota or Matip the knives would have been out.

We were poor but it’s 1 game out of 38. I’m sure Klopp has let his feelings be known to the team and it’s a bit of a nightmare now that in round 2 of the fixtures we play last and have 10 days to wait to put this right.

Whether you’re a glass full, half full or even empty then it doesn’t make anyone a better or worse fan than the next.

We all love this club and people have different ways expressing themselves.


14.) 06 Aug 2022 17:18:23
No one said Klopp out, I'm just suggesting Klopp should reconsider sticking with the same players that consistently fail to win the title rather than bring in better players to actually get over the line.


15.) 06 Aug 2022 17:37:34
But he won't reconsider. So Klopp out then? And this infatuation with Bellingham needs to ease of a bit. Even were the kid to sign there's no guarantee that we'd do any better over the course of the season.


16.) 06 Aug 2022 17:39:17
As an aside I like Elliott in midfield

Unlike Hendo, Fab and Thiago he manages to position himself between the lines - we need this when teams are set up right as it gives defenders a problem about stepping out to mark him.


17.) 06 Aug 2022 17:56:24
Oh mane mane I’ve mentioned Bellingham as he’s the only midfielder Klopp has spoken about as per my comment.

For me it doesn’t matter that we haven’t signed him. Personally I struggle to see what he actually brings for 100 mill.

The players that played today were well below par and they carry the can as much as they carry the plaudits when they do play well.

If you can manage to decipher Klopp out from my comments then fair play to you.


18.) 06 Aug 2022 18:16:03
Imagine the hysteria if we'd lost?
"rubbish like Henderson Keita and Milner someone in or its 1 title in 8 seasons. " - the pick of the bunch.
YNWA and all that.


19.) 06 Aug 2022 18:32:01
JK23. Each to their own but Bellingham is special. Not only that but he is a leader at just 19. We end up getting him and we will be looking back in 15 years saying he will go down as a Liverpool legend. Some might say that’s a reach but I truly believe that.


20.) 06 Aug 2022 18:35:05
All this whinging and whining, and not a mention anywhere of Nunerz's goal. I've just managed to see the highlights after being at work all day, and I doubt you'll see a better Premiership debut goal than that.
Simply audacious. And it wasn't a fluke, he tried a similar thing minutes earlier which was blocked or saved.
Hard to believe that folks rather moan than find pleasure or appreciation in piece of stunning skill like that, but it takes all sorts.


21.) 06 Aug 2022 18:48:43
@FlashTheRed I agree it was an important goal but if you're placing it among the best goals by a debutant then in that case, I think you may want to watch the goal in slow-motion.


22.) 06 Aug 2022 18:52:02
I stand corrected.

There are better fans out there. The ones who watch the highlights after work and then not moan about the shiny new toys debut goal who they moaned about signing in the first place.


23.) 06 Aug 2022 18:55:03
Flash it was a fluke he missed the ball and defender
Played it onto his heel. Nevertheless made a massive difference when he came on although his first touch is worrying at times. Reminds me a lot of cavani with his movement.


24.) 06 Aug 2022 20:08:49
Wasn't aimed at you JK23 mate. I'm not saying Bellingham isn't or wouldn't be absolutely exceptional. I'm just saying there's a few on here putting all their eggs in the Jude basket and there's 0 guarantee that he'll ever wear the Liverpool shirt.


25.) 06 Aug 2022 20:20:08
Oh mane mane no worries mate. I think those fans might end up disappointed. However if he’s the player they want them so be it. We all have no bearing on the outcome but this is the platform we all chose to vent on.

I wouldn’t come on here as much if everyone had the same opinions mate ?.


26.) 06 Aug 2022 21:20:01
He can actually run JK, so gives him a massive edge over our starting 3.


 

 

20 Jul 2022 02:00:36
Just a question on people’s thoughts.

Now that Koumetio, and Rhys W have gone out on loan and Davies has signed for Rangers would you expect us to keep either Phillips or Van Den Berg as back up and, if so which would be the preferred option?

I know we have 4 CBs ahead of them but remember a couple of years ago and also the strange fixture list this season with the World Cup in the middle….

West Derby Wanderer

1.) 20 Jul 2022 02:27:21
Send out van den berg on line. Kids looking decent but needs a little more experience imo. Would love Phillips to stay but I think he’ll move late in the window.


2.) 20 Jul 2022 06:03:56
WDW there’s a good chance they’ll stay mate but if it’s to fulfil the 3 lads who’ve left minutes then they’ll possibly get the very early domestic cup games and that’s it.

We’ve been told plenty of times that we are a club that lives hand to mouth and this window we’ve brought our spend down with the sales. Having Phillips who is rated at 10-15 mill sat in the stands just in case of freak injuries could be forward thinking or a wasted opportunity of getting some money in.


3.) 20 Jul 2022 09:52:54
Ed01 has said that there’s no room for VDB hence, a loan is what will happen to him. The same will go for Phillips if he cannot be sold as he will be wasting away in the stands if he stays, as JK23 has said.


4.) 20 Jul 2022 10:07:04
So we would be happy with 4 CBs with and perhaps young Quansah and Fabs as cover? In most years I’d be happy with 5hat but am a bit wary given the season before last.


5.) 20 Jul 2022 10:31:53
Let Quansah be fifth choice, Van Den Berg has to continue to get experience. top young player! Nat should be moved on, can't see a future for him here.


6.) 20 Jul 2022 11:02:22
WDW i think only hindsight will give us the answer to that mate as if a couple of the centre backs like 2 seasons ago get injured then we would regret only having the 4.

But if like last season none of them pick up any injuries then as Gomez found out minutes are tough to come by for the 4 let alone the 5th or 6th choice.

Personally i can see VDB going on a loan and a Premier League club coming in late in the window for Phillips.

But at 25 Phillips needs to be playing established first team football somewhere as in 7 years of Senior football he's only played 65 games of First team football with only 24 of those being for LFC.


7.) 20 Jul 2022 12:41:03
I think you may well be right about VdB going out on loan and Phillips going permanently. I also think that losing the first 4 choices for a particular role was freakishly bad luck I can’t remember anything like it in my time watching us play.


8.) 20 Jul 2022 12:34:41
I think Phillips should probably be sold as it’s not healthy for his career to continuously be on loan. He’s proven himself a capable defender. VDB did excellently at Preston, so I think he needs another loan but at a step up in quality and level of football. Quansah should be the emergency choice. I genuinely can’t see us having the situation we had the season before last again, we have four very good centre backs who were largely injury free last season so there’s absolutely nothing to think there’ll be issues this season, and also it’s worth remembering that we only really started that horrific season with three centre backs after we sold Lovren and didn’t replace him.,


9.) 20 Jul 2022 13:46:40
This summer is probably the best time to sell Matip. He was arguably as good as Van Dijk last season but his injury record is so poor and he's also now in his 30's. There will likely never be another summer we could demand a good transfer fee for him.

On the flip side though, why would we sell a player off the back of his best season at the club who is a huge personality in the squad, a model professional who never courts controversy, and possibly has got over his injury problems?

Ultimately that decision falls with Ward and particularly, Klopp. As we know, Klopp is fiercely loyal. I honestly think even Wijnaldum and Mane were both offered contracts to stay. So unless Matip comes knocking on his door for a move away, I suspect he'll be remaining with us. Which means that Phillips and Sepp both need to go elsewhere for senior football; be that on loan or permanently.


10.) 20 Jul 2022 16:56:27
Phillips struggled at championship level last season at Bournemouth, not sure a Premier league will take him but needs first team football.

{Ed001's Note - no he did not.}


11.) 20 Jul 2022 17:27:45
Where do you see him ending up ed, as in the Premier League or Championship? Thought Bournemouth would have signed him permanently after going up but that's gone quiet, and there doesn't seem to be any other Premier League clubs interested.

{Ed001's Note - Bournemouth were keen, but they have been focused on other signings, I expect they are hoping to take him on loan again to allow them to save that dosh.}


12.) 20 Jul 2022 17:33:37
MR, did you watch him play enuff games to make that judgement? Also if he struggled as you say then, why does Scott Parker want him back this season?


13.) 20 Jul 2022 17:39:44
Ok, maybe a loan to Bournemouth with an obligation to buy if a certain number of appearances were met would be best for everyone. Would give him his chance at the highest level.

{Ed001's Note - I think he can do better than Bournemouth, a season-long loan could get him that better imo.}


14.) 21 Jul 2022 08:22:39
ED001 where do you see Phillips ceiling mate.

As in what club in the Premier League would suit his strengths and he could become a regular starter.

{Ed001's Note - he is good enough to play for a team in the Europa League, imo. His use of the ball improved massively in the run he had with us and his leadership was growing. I think he would make a good club captain for a team with aspirations of regular football in that competition. Someone like West Ham or similar, that are not looking to play a high line every week but need a defender who can do more than just hoof it up the pitch every time it arrives at his feet. I honestly do not understand why there are not a queue of teams for him, homegrown talent is usually sought after and he is twice the player of Tarkowski, who wasn't long ago being touted at £60m! He just isn't a media darling, so they don't point out how good he is, only point out that he is not van Dijk. But there is only one van Dijk, that is why he is the best in the world, so no one else is going to be as good!}


15.) 21 Jul 2022 08:28:46
If we can get any money for Phillips, let him go and keep Van Den Berg. VDB is far ahead of Phillips in quality, even now. Phillips was all over the show in that friendly against Man Utd and showed his true level. It would be worth dropping his fee to £15m just to get rid.


16.) 21 Jul 2022 15:36:29
Ed01, the fact that Tarkowski is being touted as much just shows the actual dearth of CB’s England possess. If Tarlowski was at Liverpool, he would be way behind Phillips at 6th or 7th choice if not 8th choice behind Rhys Williams. Absolutely dreadful defender.

{Ed001's Note - I don't understand why Everton signed him, he doesn't fix any of their issues, just adds to them.}


 

 

 

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09 Aug 2022 11:51:43
Milner played well against Fulham when he came on, the last but one competitive club game Fabs and Hendo played was a CL Final in which they both played well and Elliot who has reached the ripe old age of 19 hasn’t had his career ended, looks to be recovering his confidence and certainly has his best days as a footballer ahead of him. Can we just stop whining until we have got a few meaningful competitive games under our belt. Why it only seems like 9 days ago that we beat Man City ….

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09 Aug 2022 11:47:52
Perhaps those fans who seem to be convinced that we won’t win things should just try and enjoy the game for its entertainment value rather than making themselves bitter and twisted by obsessing on winning competitions. Failing that you could just start making the trip across Stanley Park instead to join the ranks of the bitter and twisted - they certainly aren’t going to win anything.

We are one game into the season …….

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08 Aug 2022 20:33:36
Oh my God, has anybody told the club that Millie, Ox and Naby’s contracts are up? Has anybody told them that Hendo and Thiago will be 32 and that they are getting way too 9th? I know that the club don’t like planning but surely they realise that they can rely on the expertise of any number of fans only too willing to help, some of whom (just like me) can even count to 32.

Of course one of the benefits we helpers can provide to the club is to repeat 5he same stuff every day just in case the club forgets.

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03 Aug 2022 22:28:46
@Flash, with regards to bringing Bellingham in at Christmas (which I am not saying we will) there is a precedent with Diaz in last January’s window.

We were very well covered up front at the time but we jumped in when someone else looked close to buying him.

Again, not saying we will just that we might.

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03 Aug 2022 09:52:48
@Ed01 - I think you could make a very good case that the best work we have been doing for the past couple of years is with the Academy - bringing everyone together at Kirby and the focus on coaching the same system at all age levels and both the youth recruitment (local and otherwise) and the planning and execution of a genuine plan for those deemed as being likely future first team squad calibre is much better than in pre-Klopp times.

I’m not an expert on such things but it seems we were searching for replacements for specific players rather than working towards a top quality squad that was a framework for consistency and quality.

As you say, all clubs should be doing it but very few do and it’s really encouraging that we seem to be doing it and that we seem to have people who understand why and how we should be doing it.

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@JK Not wishing to suppress people’s right to free speech but you have to say that there are opinions that are based ion demonstrable facts and are meant to prompt decent discussions and then there are others based on little voices in peoples’ heads.

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13 Aug 2022 09:52:24
@Babbity, have you not been reading this site recently? There has been a fair deal of criticism about the quality of the team, in particular the midfield and Bobby F. There are a fair of people on here who would dispute your assessment of our quality.

To be fair I agree with you that we should have enough about us so that, all things being equal, we should win an awful lot more than we lose and as I said in a different thread we have played 20 PL games in 2022 and have a record of won 16: drawn 4 and lost 0.

The point I was trying to make is that in about 95% of cases any of the top teams including us and City have to be on their game to win. We were poor against Fulham, not on our game, and were lucky to get a point. The dismissing of the bottom half of the table as ‘simple enough’ to beat just isn’t true, as the evidence of recent seasons proves and not only for us, if we play to our potential more often than not we should win but we are setting ourselves up if we think we will win just by turning up.

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@JK23 - this isn’t the transfer page mate ?. This one’s the banter page. Just saying.

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13 Aug 2022 06:30:49
No team we play is ‘simple enough’. It is that condescending attitude to the opposition that has social media screaming hysterically when things don’t go according to their simplistic view of the world.

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12 Aug 2022 21:25:54
@Thunderbird, correct - one of our CBS gets injured (Konate) and we replace from within the squad (Matip) . Matip gets injured and we replace from within the squad with Gomez. If Gomez or Van Dijk pick up an injury we have Phillips and / or Van den Berg. If they get injured we have Quansah or even Chambers who has played CB. If they get injured at a push we have Fabs. As you said Hailstones was correct ?.

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