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28 Mar 2024 21:31:43
Big news. Xabi Alonso staying at current club. Clearly waiting for Real Madrid when Carlo leaves. Liverpool now looking at another manager.

No point anyone posting about it anymore. He's not coming.

1jj

1.) 28 Mar 2024 21:39:34
Real Madrid wins again.


2.) 28 Mar 2024 22:10:11
Big news?.


3.) 28 Mar 2024 22:15:38
"Fly pelican fly" chatting wham lad.


4.) 28 Mar 2024 22:21:31
Uli Hoeness saying it's "probably impossible" for Bayern to get him too.


5.) 28 Mar 2024 22:22:45
Happy with that especially if that’s what he wants.
Totally ok with Amorim. Personally think he is at least the equal of Alonso but preferred Alonso because of the connection to us.
Well, nothing is confirmed so just looking forward to whoever really.


6.) 28 Mar 2024 22:30:20
I'm here for the Victor meltdown!


7.) 28 Mar 2024 22:43:37
First i've heard of it, but if true, is anyone really surprised? He's a Spaniard, and most Spanish managers would dream to manage Real Madrid. You would think one would buck the trend and move to a "peoples" team in Spain, and not one bankrolled by the Spanish elite. But hey ho. His loss, as Liverpool is still the greatest club in the world.


8.) 28 Mar 2024 22:51:34
Madrid is the club he’s waiting for 100%.


9.) 28 Mar 2024 22:52:17
Has this actually been confirmed or is it just from what Hoeness has said? The bbc are leading with an LFC headline but literally the only quote is from Hoeness, which isn't exactly reliable.


10.) 28 Mar 2024 22:09:56
Ed001 and Ed002 have been saying this for weeks, so either the people on this forum don’t read what they post and/ or the Paul Joyce’s of this world just copy what they post here, the Ed’s said that Leverkusen will make it hard for Alonso to leave if they win the league.


11.) 28 Mar 2024 23:24:56
Thats fine if he wants to stay but what i find weird is why hasn't he just said he's staying? surely the Bayer fans would love to know. seems a bit Griezmann-like.


12.) 28 Mar 2024 23:29:43
As long as we don’t end up with dross like Nagelsmann, De Zerbi, Flick, Tuchel or Zidane.


13.) 28 Mar 2024 23:31:37
BossKlopp - what’s wham about it?


14.) 28 Mar 2024 23:44:18
Is it me, perhaps as I don’t watch as much football anymore, but other than Alonso I’m not excited by any of the potential managers out there. Guess it’s because Klopp is such a hard act to follow. I always loved Alonso as a player for us, so perhaps I’ve been slightly blinkered by that, but he does seem to be excelling. Anyhow, got an exciting few weeks coming up, hopefully we can get on a winning run again. ?.


15.) 29 Mar 2024 00:35:49
He basically said that its going to be hard for Bayern to get him. What else is he meant to say? Why even bother with th BBC even Match of the Day is a waste of my time now.


16.) 29 Mar 2024 01:26:31
IF it is true then good luck to him, only he will know what's best for him, if he chooses to stay at BL then it must be his right decision, we must respect that. Not what we wanted but it's not about us.

Only thing concerning me is I too, am not excited about any other manager incoming but we never know what the future may hold, it's not the end of the season yet. Let's just enjoy Klopp and this season.


17.) 29 Mar 2024 01:27:34
To be fair, ed2 said ages ago that if Leverlusen were to win Bundestag then it’d make it difficult for Alonso to leave. Perhaps this is just this likely scenario playing out.


18.) 28 Mar 2024 21:43:50
If you are Alonso who is Spanish, who will you join? Its no brainer.


19.) 29 Mar 2024 02:25:12
What's Joachim Low up to these days?


20.) 29 Mar 2024 05:18:00
Joachim Low is busy these days scratching his balls or arse and sniffing it.


21.) 28 Mar 2024 21:43:50
If you are Alonso who is Spanish, who will you join? Its no brainer.


22.) 29 Mar 2024 06:30:27
If Alonso doesn’t want to come then that’s fine, it must take really big balls to replace Klopp and everything he has built right down to his relationship with the Coty. Expectations are extremely high following Klopp and not many managers will fancy the pressure. So if Alonso doesn’t have the balls then we are better off without him sadly….


23.) 29 Mar 2024 06:30:54
Disappointing news as regards alonso, thought he wouldn't have been fit to turn us down but at same time not massively surprised.
If he stays with leverkusan fair play to him and taking my lfc goggles off probably right call.
If he goes to Munich he would go down in my estimation, hoping to a direct rival after being in a title race with them and all the talking bayern have done about trying to get jim as manager during the race, most definitely wrong imo.
Didn't know anything about amorion 4/ 5 months ago but from what I read he should be next on list. If he doesn't come i really don't know where we go, v v average looking rest of candidates.


24.) 29 Mar 2024 06:45:12
Glad this is over to many people assumed alonso was nailed on, think it’s nagelsmann as ed2 has said .
If it is then he deserves all our support.


25.) 29 Mar 2024 07:34:58
Who would you have then VV of Alonso is off the table?


26.) 29 Mar 2024 07:42:07
Nagelsmann isn’t getting support from me Fatwallet, I see no reason to forgive him for the disrespect he showed us before, awful manager and a complete drop off from Klopp.


27.) 29 Mar 2024 07:50:45
Like a few posters have said, we shouldn’t put all our eggs in one basket. While the return of alonso would be a surreal story, the guys on his way to winning the league with this Leverkusen team and dominating the league, he will surely want to test himself and his squad in the champions league next year and then look to move to Madrid. Timing seems about right. Good luck too him, if he wants that career path and many would, then he’s not the one for us sadly. I wouldn’t want to sign alonso thne have to look for a new manager in a year or 2 because his dream job now became available. The names floating around don’t fill us with hope but I believe we find the right guy come next season. Amorim for me. many say not enough experience, low league experience ect but the guy looks like the over all best fit and someone who has good tactical skill, game management skill and player development. truth is best two managers we’ve been linked with in alonso and Amorim both have very little experience but seem to be the next era of coaches coming through. all my own opinions of course.


28.) 29 Mar 2024 07:58:03
What’s Andre Villas-Boas up to these days.


29.) 28 Mar 2024 21:46:05
I guess that narrows it down to Amorim, Nagelsmann and De Zerbi. Amorim would be my top choice out of those.

Ed002 do you know if his release clause is still €20m? I think I’ve read it has lowered since last summer but I might be incorrect on that.

{Ed002's Note - €20M termination clause and the cost of terminating his staff.}


30.) 29 Mar 2024 08:18:22
Blimey, I’m not sure anyone will want to come to us reading this - we don’t even have a replacement and they’ve already lost our support because they’re not Alonso.

Try a little enthusiasm people, devastating losing Klopp - but it was always going to happen and should be grateful we’ve had him for so long

Chin up folks, LFC are evolving, that’s all.


31.) 29 Mar 2024 10:31:00
So surprised he’s willing to stay in Germany for another season if he wins the league. I really thought the stars had aligned for Alonso to manage us before inevitably moving on to his dream job at Madrid.


32.) 29 Mar 2024 10:54:09
He’d be sacked by Madrid unless he wins everything within 2 seasons just like everyone else and he’ll be aware of that. Staying at Leverkusen doesn't necessarily mean waiting for Real. He may just be an honourable man, repaying the faith in Leverkusen.


33.) 29 Mar 2024 12:46:19
Xabi is Basque, which isn’t quite the same as being a Spaniard.

People added 2 and 2 and got 7 when it was Liverpool, what’s the difference with Madrid? Klopp is leaving this season so it has to be Xabi, Ancelotti’s new contract finishes in 26, it has to be Xabi. Nice to speculate but it should be remembered that it is speculation.


34.) 29 Mar 2024 13:00:09
Not surprised at all. Stay at BL for another season and take over the super team RM is building. If he had joined us this summer, I doubt he would have stayed for more than couple of years before going to RM.

Amorim looks like a decent bet but players have to adapt to new system he brings, and he will need to do step up but in Europe.


 

 

03 May 2023 20:45:55
Milner to join Brighton this summer.

1jj

1.) 03 May 2023 21:00:40
Gutted to hear this to be honest he's a great leader and athlete and I think we should have kept him another year then added him to our coaching team.


2.) 03 May 2023 21:05:31
Ox, Nobby, Milner Out. Bradley, Morton and 'new signing' Thiago coming in.


3.) 03 May 2023 21:17:33
I’d of kept him over any of our mids he’s loyal always fit gives 200% and a great head to have around!
U look at that stain Keita and think wtf!
If he leaves I wish him nottin but the best amazing man and professional!


4.) 03 May 2023 22:04:07
He’ll be a big loss. Seems like a really decent, down to earth bloke, who looks after himself very well and keeps himself in shape. Thank you for what you’ve done at the club and all the very best for the future Millie.


5.) 03 May 2023 22:35:24
Milner was a fantastic servant and has earned every medal he could at this club BUT his time has passed.
Now the only thing he is guaranteed to bring is a hard tackle with a yellow card. He is still extrememly fit but not elite football club level fit.
Loved him but he needs to move on.
Thanks for the memories James Milner.


6.) 03 May 2023 23:20:39
James Milner has been nothing short of a model professional but let’s take this sentiment some hold to one side. The guy turns 38 in January! Are some looking to keep him until he is 40 years old? I’m not gutted he is leaving as his time is up. I’m just happy for the memories and wish him luck in his new venture.


7.) 03 May 2023 23:21:02
Apparently when Milner was at city he taught himself spanish so he could make the new spanish speaking players feel more welcome at the club. He has been a great signing and its a shame he is going to leave but i wish him all the best (except when they play against us)


8.) 04 May 2023 05:47:21
He could still come back to coach ??.


9.) 04 May 2023 08:37:37
It’s fine, Hendo will take his role now. Don’t need both of them on the bench. Good guy though - strange to go Brighton as imagine he will have the same role as here.


10.) 04 May 2023 09:43:42
If it is true, then I wonder if Milly has made the choice because he wants the opportunity to experience De Zerbi's coaching methods as part of his own journey to coaching?


11.) 04 May 2023 10:08:24
Millie's leadership in the changing room will be seriously missed but he wants playing time. I thought he'd move to a coach/ player role next year followed by a coaching role the year after since he finished his UEFA coaching badges but he has seen the difficulties faced by JK in this last year and this seems to have left him unclear about a management path as an option at all. I think he will become a coach but he's definitely suspended when that will happen.


12.) 04 May 2023 10:24:22
FPF that's a really good point actually. He'll have played for De Zerbi, Klopp, Guardiola and Bobby Robson so will certainly have learned a lot.

That said, he has also played for Graeme Souness and Allardyce so the poor lad might have already lost a few brain cells.


13.) 04 May 2023 13:02:10
Doubt this is true - he is doing his coaching badges and Klopp see's him as being part of his coaching staff.


14.) 04 May 2023 13:24:49
Millie will have his eyes on the all time PL records. Appearances, wins.


15.) 04 May 2023 14:14:09
Overstayed by about 2 or 3 years time to get Henderson gone with him. Loyalty isn't a bad thing but players need to be good enough.


16.) 04 May 2023 15:24:24
I'm confused why people think he can't carry on playing at another club and then coach at LFC when he feels ready? It's not either or!


17.) 04 May 2023 18:04:59
Jones, Elliott, Fab, Hendo, Thiago, Trent, Baj before anyone else joins. Add two more and that makes 9 fighting for between 2/ 4 places. Surely at least one more will be leaving as well as Carvalho.


 

 

20 Mar 2023 13:38:27
Ed2 a question if I may. How highly regarded is Mount at Chelsea these days? Is this just negotiation posturing or are they really willing to let him go?

As a Chelsea boy through the ranks with a fair bit of quality, it would surprise me if he left but very interested in your view.

Thanks in advance!

1jj

{Ed002's Note - Mason Mount (AM) Yet to agree a new contract and could depart if he is not more reasonable in his demands - and his demands are very significant. Real Madrid and Juventus, both via a third party, have asked after him. Juventus won't match his wage demands but they have a tax advantage, but I suspect they can be discounted unless a trade for Vlahovic, possibly including another player, could be arranged. Real Madrid are looking to move on a couple of high earners in the summer so could afford him. Barcelona have made a direct approach to Chelsea but the salary demands would be an issue. There is no interest from PSG or Bayern Munich who are two other clubs who could afford him. Chelsea are rather miffed with him after making what they consider was a very good offer, and will sell in the summer if a new contract is not agreed. Manchester United or Liverpool may be intererested as an alternative to Bellingham but they would likely not want to match his wage demands and have not at this time spoken with Chelsea. Howvere, change of agent leads potentially to the door of Manchester United.}


1.) 20 Mar 2023 15:23:43
What about Gabriel Vega Ed? Has Liv take a look in him/ interested?

{Ed002's Note - You mean the youngster from Boca or is on loan somewhere or other - I don't recall where? If so, no.}


2.) 20 Mar 2023 15:31:13
Celta Vigo Gabriel vega. Hearing lots of clubs interested in him. I don't think he's on loan from somewhere.

{Ed002's Note - I know who you mean.

Gabri Veiga (CM/AM) Attracting scouts from PL and La Liga. Real Madrid offer an option but the player wants to be a started and he won't be there. Newcastle may make an offer. Arsenal are keen but need to make a decision about departures. For Manchester United an alternative to Bellingham. Celta Vigo will not look to sell unless relegated.}


3.) 20 Mar 2023 16:16:30
Thanks Ed2, much appreciated.


4.) 20 Mar 2023 16:30:09
He's a Chelsea boy through and through. He'd be best placed to come to an agreement with the club given they want him to stay.


5.) 20 Mar 2023 17:47:54
Ed Is mount looking for salah kind of money?

{Ed002's Note - No but more than van Dijk.


6.) 20 Mar 2023 17:55:51
Let’s hope United make a bid for Mount. He looks like their kind of player.


7.) 20 Mar 2023 20:54:09
Real Madrid are interested, Juve too, Barcelona have made a direct approach but Victor thinks he’s not good enough for Liverpool ?.

What’s your opinion of Mount as a player Ed002? Bit of a strange season for him but for me still a very good player and would enhance Liverpool’s midfield no end.

{Ed002's Note - He is a very good player but demands are likely too high. Needs to think carefully about his future.}


8.) 21 Mar 2023 03:31:49
Kind of the whole game in a nutshell at the moment. Mount is a 'good' player but demanding those sorts of sums is a joke. Did anyone see the paul merson clip where he was saying being a professional footballer was harder than being a brain surgeon?! Total idiot.


9.) 21 Mar 2023 05:27:00
Is Mount Oscar 2.0 in the making then?


 

 

03 Jul 2022 21:48:32
Evening Ef2 hope you're well. Do you know which team West Ham feel approached Sonny Perkins or can you at least confirm it's not Liverpool. Thank you as always.

1jj

{Ed002's Note - I do and it is not Liverpool.}


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22 Jun 2021 08:05:48
Hi Ed2 hope all is well. Any potential interest in Jérémy Doku? He's young, raw, exceptionally fast and perhaps a good future replacement for either salah or mane?

1jj

{Ed002's Note - There has been in the past.}


1.) 22 Jun 2021 11:16:00
I believe we tried to sign him at 16, had him look round Melwood etc but he decided it wasn’t the right move for him. Have it in my head that Kompany gave some advise to him.


2.) 22 Jun 2021 11:44:50
He signed for Rennes last season. To me he just looks like a head down and run with it type winger, didn’t seem to have any idea what to do with the ball, passing and end product look severely lacking.


3.) 22 Jun 2021 11:48:10
We were interested but during some conversation with him and his family, we thought he was headed to Chelsea, and so our interest cooled. It later transpired that he was just talking about his sister who was called Chelsea!


4.) 22 Jun 2021 19:10:15
Looks promising to me….


 

 

 

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15 May 2024 08:21:49
Defence is more of our problem than attack.

If we had two players like Rice and Saliba I suspect we would win more games by having to score less goals which would be the difference over a season to winning the title.

If that's right then we are literally just two players away from a proper title push.

Surely we can find one top notch DM and CB this summer.

1jj

1.) 15 May 2024 08:41:54
Having better players obviously helps but it won't solve the issues completely. Fixing how the team defends as a unit is far more effective. Even a prime Franco Baresi would struggle if the system isn't set up correctly.


2.) 15 May 2024 08:44:32
I don't think Saliba would do much better in this system either. Apart from the past few matches, since we have effectively been out of the title race, VVD had been great this season. Konate is also a pretty good CB especially 1v1, and Quansah looks special. I don't think we need a CB as much. However, we would massively improve if we had a DM like Rodri, or Rice. While being good Endo lacks both pace and press-resistance, and Macca is simply wasted as a 6. Maybe Bajcetic can grow into that elite DM, but he would need time. However, he is someone I have immense trust in, and it would be interesting to see how Slot uses him in pre-season.


3.) 15 May 2024 09:22:26
I agree. I know our strikers have had a bit of stick but they've been put under immediate pressure by our tendency to gift the first goal to pretty much every team we've played against.

We need a top class DM and a replacement for VVD at a minimum. Then we need to stop this daft tactic of having to chase every single game!


4.) 15 May 2024 10:39:03
I think we need to move Trent and Macca out of the RB and DM roles. RW/ AM for Trent and CM/ AM for Macca. They get dribbled past far too easily and then people have to step out of position to cover for them which creates this knock on effect of pure carnage and everyone all over the place.

Quansah and Virgil are both very good CB's who win their individual duels more often than not but they're being dragged from pillar to post. Robertson and Endo are both good players even at 30 years old but we need to find younger solutions next season as they play in positions where a physical decline will be very noticeable. Bajcetic and Beck should be considered in pre-season but if they aren't good enough then signing a new LB and DM is a must.

I personally back Bajcetic to make the DM role his own and I think people are forgetting how good he was pre-injury. But also, maybe I'm over estimating his ability to bounce back from it and become 1st choice. I don't know enough about Beck so right now I'm thinking the priority for defence is a new LB until I've seen more of him. Bradley should be first choice RB next season without question and Quansah has to be a starter at CB. They're both too good for the bench.

The difference you would see by not having Macca and Trent getting absolutely trampled over dragging others out of position, would be massive. Quansah and Virgil is potentially a great partnership with better protection in front of them and down the sides of the defence.


5.) 15 May 2024 10:46:15
1. Tactics
2. Defensive midfielder
3. Centreback
4. Left back
5. Right sided forward
6. Left sided forward
7. Backup goalkeeper
8. A repeat of Bruce Grobbelaar's liquid-based ceremony.


6.) 15 May 2024 11:56:39
Thing is MK, TAA isn’t quick enough or skilful enough on the ball to be a right winger and he’s not a number 10 or attacking midfielder in a million years, trying to shoehorn him into the team just for the occasional long shot and Hollywood pass is to do so at the detriment of the team, as harsh as that sounds, I’m of the opinion that I can’t see where he fits in the starting line up going forward, so it is time to part ways.

Putting all our eggs in one basket with Bajcetic is a huge risk, and Endo doesn’t have the legs for a full season, so a top class defensive midfielder is needed. Just go back to the difference that Fabinho made when he signed.


7.) 15 May 2024 12:37:42
Trent at RB, with occasional inversion would be my go to instead of the entire tactic seemingly centred on freeing Trent up to playmake. Watching him vs Spurs, it looked much better and simpler. He even showed he could defend Son in some tricky moments.

Trent's superpower is his long pass. It's by far and away the best in the world. Moving him forward would just make him an above average midfielder.

Selling the best long passer in the world who happens to be a Scouser and still in his mid-20s would be insane imo.

We'd be much better off just simplifying the tactics and his role in them.


8.) 15 May 2024 15:14:33
Think we need a backup for Virg more than a replacement. Realistically who could we get for left CB that's better than him anyway? Van Dijk is not the problem, if he showed this seasons form I'd be happy to have him start for another 3 or 4 years. Lloyd Kelly on a free would have been a smart signing.

{Ed002's Note - Lloyd Kelly will not move to simply be cover.}


9.) 15 May 2024 15:17:02
If we want a better defence we have to play Bradley at RB - he is just a better defender than TAA. We need Quansah to continue his upward trajectory and become a regular starter and we need to replace VVD with a younger left footed LCB. Virgil is the past and we need to look to the future.


10.) 15 May 2024 15:27:29
Virg has had more partners than a call girl this year.

{Ed077's Note - then sadly the call girl needs a change of profession.? or better "marketing" ??


11.) 15 May 2024 15:31:42
WDW, I personally just want a good back up to replace Matip and reduce our reliance on Konate. I'm happy with Virgil and Quansah as the 1st choice pairing. I'd really like to see Van den Berg get a shot before we spend big on a replacement for Matip. If VdB wasn't already our player you'd be talking about at least a 30m transfer fee to get him after the season he's just had.


12.) 15 May 2024 15:35:25
Who is better than Virg and attainable.

Vvd's form has dropped off the last month or so but so has everyones.

I had VVD as a front runner for player of the season with Mac a few weeks ago.

Endo is another shout but he didn't get into the team until Dec and then was away in Jan and had a good Feb.


13.) 15 May 2024 15:46:51
I agree about Lloyd Kelly Ed, but even if we paid 60m on Ignacio for example he would be back up to Virg. Said Kelly because at least then we wouldn't have parted with a mountain of cash.

{Ed002's Note - Inacio will also not be moving to be back up to anyone.}


14.) 15 May 2024 16:32:00
How many minutes has Baj played in the PL, playing DM?


15.) 15 May 2024 16:47:38
Just stick with what we have now then seen as no half decent player wants to be backup to virg. Or maybe Van Den Berg will be brought back.


16.) 15 May 2024 17:45:24
Irish in answer to that.

25 mins this season.

159 mins last season

All his other minutes came as right or left centre mid and right back.


17.) 15 May 2024 17:47:22
Irish Rover, was about 1000 minutes of senior football in 22/ 23 season before he was ruled out with an adductor injury. In that period he was our best midfielder though.

I still have faith in him to come back. It will make or break him though. Elliott came back from worse and has never looked back. Some players don’t have the mentality to recover so that’s why I’d assess him in pre-season first.


18.) 15 May 2024 18:09:39
Exactly that JK. I don’t dispute he played well in what was a horrible season but he hardly played at DM where everyone thinks he’s a shoe in ?‍♂️.


19.) 15 May 2024 18:45:40
Macca is wasted at No6, we can all see that, and once Endo goes off, we concede even more goals .
Macca should be much further up the pitch,
and please make better use of our subs this coming season .


20.) 15 May 2024 19:00:21
I'm with you Irish. Baj may well be the future DM but he's not ready yet so we need a top class one to play until he is. I think this is the one position where we need a 'ready to go' player, someone at their peak rather than someone with potential.


21.) 15 May 2024 19:06:27
Context is important though, JK/ Irish.

Bajcetic only played 20 minutes off the bench at RB so that’s barely worth mentioning.

He played a further approx. 450 minutes off the side of a midfield 3, usually the left. That was across about 4 leagur starts and 1 CL start. From memory Fabinho was the DM in all of these games I think.

He played roughly 350 minutes at DM across 2 league starts and 4 cup starts. This was where he played his best football in my opinion, crucially as part of a double pivot alongside Thiago who is a similar player to Mac Allister in my opinion.

There was then another maybe 100 minutes where he came on as a sub and his position wasn’t recorded and it was a mix of CM and DM from memory.

Hence why I think he deserves a chance during pre-season in Slot’s preferred double pivot alongside who I think will most likely be Mac Allister. I’m not saying Bajcetic has loads of experience as a lone 6 because he has pretty much zero, but that is irrelevant because Slot doesn’t play with a lone 6. He uses 2 DM’s and one sits to protect and build up from deeper and the other pushes up higher when Geertruida inverts. Bajcetic showed the ability with the ball when he played off the left of a 3 to suggest he will be okay building up from deep and he showed the destructive capabilities when he was in the double pivot with Thiago to suggest he can screen the backline. He came through as a CB so he is defensively minded and that is important because too many of our midfielders are forward thinking players who don’t see danger. I stand by my original point, he deserves a chance before we buy.


22.) 15 May 2024 19:10:47
Saliba would struggle in the system we play cos people forget, it is Gabrial who is left on his own when Zinchenko inverts. Just my take.


23.) 15 May 2024 20:06:37
Mk absolutely and I agree. Irish asked about the Premier league though mate hence why I mentioned RB.

I remember his game at home to wolves and Fab was at DM and he was our best player on the pitch playing the left 8.

That’s not me saying he can’t play 6, I’m just saying he’s pretty good at 8 as well.

Obviously with a new manager and formation you’re spot on that we might not be playing a lone 6.

Baj only played the equivalent of 10 a half games last season across 4 competitions for the first team.

As much as I’m excited about him I also believe it’s extremely early days in his career for us to be pinning our hopes to him.

Anyone remember the Scouse Cafu.


24.) 15 May 2024 23:03:44
It's not so much the system that doesn't work. It's our players that can't make it work.
Other teams play with a back three when they have the ball but they are not left as exposed as we are because they have more and better defensive minded players. Not many teams would play Mac as a six and have him flanked by the likes of Szob, Grav, Jones or Elliott.
Our best team under Klopp very often had both full backs very high up the pitch but we had the players to allow them to do that. Henderson, Wijnaldum and Milner would cover for them.


25.) 16 May 2024 12:51:28
Anyone signing with the view of being back up while in their prime isn't worth having, they should sign with a view that they will break into the first 11.


26.) 17 May 2024 00:14:28
that's a good shout Rigsby. It's something that I'm hoping we address because we tend to rely on versatile players to "do a job" in a position.


 

 

16 Mar 2024 07:14:41
Any of the EDs please. currently we are due to play Atalanta away on the Thursday @8pm and then Fulham away on the Saturday @3pm.

How likely is it that the Fulham game will be moved to the Sunday as that's just crazy and not something I've seen often before as you would have to almost play 2 different teams as so close together?

1jj

{Ed001's Note - 100% it will be a Sunday game.}


1.) 16 Mar 2024 07:46:38
Thanks Ed.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome.}


2.) 16 Mar 2024 13:53:59
Wasn't it last season or the season before where we had two matches in two days?


3.) 17 Mar 2024 00:52:11
That’s going to be a really tough game, Fulham are playing really well at home and have given a lot of bigger sides really hard games.


4.) 17 Mar 2024 04:47:38
Fulham just sank Spurs convincingly
Then again, it could be spurs being spursy
Wins against Villa and loses against Fulham.


 

 

08 Feb 2024 20:36:34
Sin bins - more opportunity for potential corruption and influence on games. Just stop!

1jj

1.) 08 Feb 2024 21:15:53
I'll be honest, I actually like the new rules. Professionalism, etc, has needed to be enforced for a long time to the benefit of the game and the younger generation.

However, I completely understand the other side. The fact we are giving referees even more power, when they have been shown incapable to wield it, is concerning.

Honestly, wish this was a thing in grassroots, I am sick and tired of listening to players complain, backtalk and have a go at referees. As for coaches, lost cause and I have long since given up telling these supposed adults to show respect and conduct themselves properly for not just their sake, but for the kids they are coaching.


2.) 08 Feb 2024 21:50:26
Problem will be consistency. One team will be reduced to 10 men for 10 mins for a similar incident that another team won’t be.


3.) 08 Feb 2024 22:10:46
Absolutely terrible idea, you cannot trust these referees to implement this fairly…way to subjective sin binning a player for dissent, similar for cynical fouls…seems like they want referees to be the main attraction and the football is secondary! Can the rule makers not read the room and see that fans want the refs to take a back seat and to be anonymous in a game! Way too much influence in results as it is and they want to crank it up even further, the mind boggles. Rules already exist for dissent and cynical fouls maybe try implement them rather than bringing out the blue card! Surely too early for April fools?

{Ed025's Note - im with you Dow-ney, i wouldn,t have these referees in charge of making a jelly mate..


4.) 08 Feb 2024 22:38:48
So it’s not the rule, it’s the implementation.


5.) 08 Feb 2024 23:47:40
In theory a very good idea, 10 mins to cool down . but with these refs and var etc it's opening a can of worms . can only see bad things happening with it.


6.) 09 Feb 2024 00:16:00
Pulling a player back with no attempt to play the ball, knowing you'll get a yellow and potentially save a goal is gamesmanship at best, more honestly it's rubbishhousery. All the players do it, take one for the team. When it happens to your team, the crowd boo the player and it ruins a potentially goal scoring opportunity, especially in a tight game. 10 mins in a sin bin seems more appropriate than a poxy yellow.

As for the verbals, we all know that it's a problem. Rugby doesn't allow back talk to an official. You tell the ref to F*** off then maybe you should get a card. Personally I like a good swear but I would never say it's warranted. Circling the ref was targeted a few years back and we don't get that anywhere as much as we used to.

About the implementation of it, personally I have a rant during the game but my feeling is get over it. We always have opportunities to score, to play better and to win the game. Since VAR, we seem to be talking about refs much more, people saying the standard has gone down. I don't believe it has so much, I just think it's been under a microscope. The decision didn't go our way, get over it and keep playing.

Right now, I like the idea of blue cards for foul mouthed players and rubbishhousery.


7.) 09 Feb 2024 01:10:31
Haven’t read the details but can’t they just be better at enforcing the current rules lol

If they enforced them properly we’d get players sent off left right and centre. So be it I say. The players will learn if the refs just persevered with the boundary.


8.) 09 Feb 2024 01:13:53
It reduced dissent significantly in a previous lower league trial.

Sin bin is fair, it punishes the offender but it doesn’t ruin the game.

Worried a red might be inconsistent and put you in the bin for swearing?
Answer - don’t swear.
Worried you might get put in the bin for a cynical foul?
Answer - don’t commit cynical fouls.

I’d go further and I’d have simulation put in too.

Managers will stamp it out as a sin binned player could cost you a game = points = your job.


9.) 09 Feb 2024 01:57:40
I am not religious and no offence to those that are but today if I could please ask the big guy upstairs to give a red to the blue card idea please….
In my opinion this nonsense belongs no where near football along with VAR
( seperate note to the big guy “can I get the lottery numbers if your a no on the blue card request, cheers)


10.) 09 Feb 2024 05:30:28
Will we need VAR to check if it’s blue or red card?

Ah for the days when Tommy Smith and Ron ‘Chopper ‘ Harris and the like got ‘stuck in’ and Nobby Styles kicked Eusebio from pillar to post every time he got within three yards of the ball in a European Cup Final. There was nowhere near as much money in the game and players used to be normal people and God forbid, a normal bloke with a couple of kids could even afford to take them to the match. Still, technology is out of the box and is the future eh?

{Ed025's Note - its not the same game we remember WDW, too much money has led to corruption and cheating mate, players rolling around feigning injury and referees wanting to be the centre of attention means its finished for me and my love for the not so beautiful game is over in many respects..


11.) 09 Feb 2024 05:50:42
My concern is also about the implementation of these rules

Officials do not take accountability for their "incompetence" as it stands currently, and now we want to give them even more power and control

Just shows you that those in charge are so far removed from what is actually going on.


12.) 09 Feb 2024 06:56:24
But isn’t it also the point that we are introducing a “third tier” of punishment?

They struggle to get it right with two! What chance have we got that they will actually do anything vaguely competent with three.

Two yellows equals a red.
Two blues equals a red.
A blue and a yellow equals a red.
Or we have a straight red.

Good job Graham Poll isn’t still around poor bloke would have a coronary.

That has precisely no chance of working.


13.) 09 Feb 2024 07:05:10
Think main issue is will be if implemented fairly and clarity in how rules are written. Seems refs are struggling with carrying out current rules so adding more complexity will most likely cause more problems than it solves.

In regards to dissent still think should just be a straight yellow, if it continues then red ( and don’t see issue with second yellow immediately following the first if player continues) . If people can refrain from doing in mma, boxing and rugby etc don’t see why can’t in football.

For tactical fouls actually think is better as with the amount of subs and overall squad size a yellow isn’t exactly fair. If a team has 70% possession opposition likely don’t get 5 chances to break and score so can just take the yellows no problem. Same with diving as influence goes down all the way to kids level football, parents even joke / laugh nowadays how from watching prem 5/ 6 year olds dive or role around feigning injury…which TBf is funny to see but shows how lack of sportsmanship shown influences next generation.


14.) 09 Feb 2024 07:08:59
The sin bin bad idea for soccer, have seen it in gaelic football and the team that loses the man will waste time and fake injury during the 10mins to use the time up
Having seen good improvement on that front with the amount of added time they have put on this season, this will be step back. At least 2 players will go down injured in that 10mins everytime.

{Ed001's Note - then they should stop the clock and not included the time in the 10min the player is in the sin bin. Hardly rocket science to stop that happening.}


15.) 09 Feb 2024 07:26:59
Mango it is used in grass roots football and has been for a few seasons. There is no blue card but you can get sin binned for 7 mins.


16.) 09 Feb 2024 07:28:20
We have sin bins in our grassroots league as one of the pilot leagues
Some refs hand them out like sweets- others don’t bother

Inconsistency means moaning at the ref hasn’t really reduced

Consequences? : complete lack of refs on a Saturday.


17.) 09 Feb 2024 09:10:09
I'm willing to give it a try for a year. Give it a one year trial as in the lower league and see what we get. I see arguments both for and against, but I'm open to the idea of trying new things to stamp out all that is "undesirable" in the game. Yes, the game is changing; but then so does everything else in life.


18.) 09 Feb 2024 09:50:35
Completely unnecessary rule.


19.) 09 Feb 2024 07:52:36
I agree with JK23 - the only thing that’s consistent is the lack of consistency.

You’re on the money Ed25 - the game’s changed dramatically for the worse and accelerated rapidly downhill since PL. there’s absolutely nobody on any of football’s governing body from the FA upwards that gives a toss about fans of the game.

{Ed025's Note - its obscene the money these players are getting WDW, how can anyone justify getting hundreds of thousands of pounds every week for playing a sport ffs, and dont even start me on the agents, there are people choosing whether to heat or eat in this country never mind all the starving all around the globe mate, i just give up with it all now..


20.) 09 Feb 2024 10:04:07
just a thought on the blue card thing, so a player gets 10 mins, then his team mate goes down injured for a few mins and then there is a bit of time wasting and another team mate goes down and the 10 mins would be up, they would be better getting auto offsides and the hand ball clarified rather than bringing in pointless blue cards.


21.) 09 Feb 2024 10:21:24
Ed01 is spot on with dealing with the the wasting. just stop the clock

In no time football will become like American sports.7 bloody hours for a game to finish.


22.) 09 Feb 2024 11:34:35
Imagine if Naby Keita was playing for Liverpool and got a blue card. There wouldn't be any time wasting. Players would go all out to play as much football as possible in the ten minutes he was off the pitch.


23.) 09 Feb 2024 11:58:51
I would be interested to see what happens if a goalkeeper picked up a blue card. Do you put an outfield player in goal for 10 minutes or bring on a substitute keeper just for that 10 minute period and waste a sub? It be chaos. Ridiculous idea all round.
Focus on improving the refereeing standards in all levels of the game rather than creating more complicated rules which will only be enforced by subjective opinions.


24.) 09 Feb 2024 11:55:29
Exactly, Faith. We would like them to enforxe the actual laws better and in a more equitble fashion BUT no, they are about to saddle us with another nonsense with this blue card/ sin bin stuff whereas these same frauds don't even know how to administer the actual cards (red and yellow) already in place properly.

Also as Ed01 said, why not just stop the clock ahenever there is a stoppage of play at any point in the game? That would remove any form of time wasting tactics completely BUT we all know they won't cos that takes away the drama and controversy that could happen in injury time when things get frantic and desperate. Also, it gives an opportunity for the managers to moan and hide behind it when they conceded a goal to lose or draw. Again, the simple fixes are there BUT they deliberately do nothing.


25.) 09 Feb 2024 12:26:32
Ed25, we’ve had two players in recent times getting hundreds of thousands per year for sitting on a physic’s table. Every time they break out into a jog they are out for about 3 or 4 month. Pampered, but you try telling that to the youth of today ?.

{Ed025's Note - we all have them WDW, we are paying Deli Alli £100.000 a week to sit on his arse mate it really does beggar belief, in my ideal world they should all be on pay as you play and get paid on a points gained basis at say £20K per point, if you win you have a nice £60k coming your way but if you lose... nothing, that would sort all these shirkers out..


26.) 09 Feb 2024 13:02:59
It’s just the state of football isn’t it? We are afraid for new ideas because we know how bad implementation can be. I do think trials are still worthwhile and they are trials afterall to experiment.


27.) 09 Feb 2024 13:50:40
The third card, the GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association) over here in Ireland came across this idea some years ago for Hurling and Gaelic football and their idea is a far better one in my opinion.

Instead of the player being sent off for 10 minutes he is replaced for 10 minutes. This way it is the player who gets punished and not the team. It happens very quickly with little interuption to the game.

If the current idea for a blue card is brought into "soccer" it just means the team affected will slow the game down and waste time until the player is back on. I know the time will be added on, but it will be added on at the end when the player is back on.

This wheel has already been invented. The football authorities need to look around.


28.) 09 Feb 2024 15:47:44
The blue card is not inherently a bad idea, the issue is the timing with application of the rules being objectively terrible at the moment. This will not help at this moment in time. Get the rules we have right first, then make improvements. This isn't going to end well at all.


29.) 09 Feb 2024 16:07:31
Haha full on doesn’t give a hoot anymore and is saying what he really thinks. When asked about the blue he said

"The introduction of a new card would just give more opportunities to fail because the discussion then would be, 'should it have been a blue card, or a yellow card? '

"It does not sound like a fantastic idea but I can't remember when the last fantastic idea came from these guys, [or] if they ever had one. "

Good lad!


30.) 09 Feb 2024 16:08:13
Referees have always been inconsistent. It’s only highlighted more now than ever before. Replays, freeze frame pictures, VAR . I think it’s because these days we are all aware of the mistakes being made. Again I will say that players don’t help one bit with the rolling about and diving that goes on (cheating), but this concept that refs have got worse I don’t agree with, they are now just more under the microscope.


31.) 09 Feb 2024 14:16:07
Ed25 to reform football.

{Ed025's Note - thats my cunning plan max, i just need the greedy sods at the FA now to approve my reformation theories mate.. :)


32.) 09 Feb 2024 16:55:03
Done to death, but I totally agree with everyone who says it's a terrible idea because the refs can't be trusted with the power.

It's a terribly dumb idea, but the dumbest part might be the name: sin bin? Really shows the level of genus we have officiating doesn't it.


33.) 09 Feb 2024 18:56:01
The whole point is to stamp out dissent and tactical fouls.
If it does that then brilliant.
If it doesn’t then scrap the trial.

Personally I’m fed up with the level of abuse players get away with these days - ever since the PL came about really. People see it on TV and repeat it on a Sunday League game - NOT ACCEPTABLE.

I’m more fed up with diving than tactical fouls.

The dissent has to stop. From players and managers/ coaches.

{Ed025's Note - i agree with most of that Ron but i dont see this blue card malarkey helping if im honest, its just adding more confusion to the issues that should be more vigorously enforced under the present laws, if someone dives or simulates then book them or even send them off!, hit them with a 3 match ban and it will soon cure the problem mate..


34.) 09 Feb 2024 19:33:58
Retrospective action would be better than blue cards.

{Ed025's Note - in the ED025 new rule book Ashy, if someone goes down holding their face when they have not been touched...a big groc comes on and actually punches them in the face mate, it will catch on i promise you.. :)


35.) 09 Feb 2024 20:10:53
I’m with you Ron, all this feigning injury and blatant diving is an embarrassment ( Liverpool players included) i absolutely hate seeing grown men rolling around clutching there face when they have been hit in the chest! VAR should send the ref to the monitor and have the player carded for simulation which should be a red card offence. Red cards will soon deter the cheats! Bruno Fernandez would be in early retirement the amount of time he clutches his face after his shin has been tapped.

{Ed025's Note - thats a good solution Dow-ney...but still prefer mine mate.. :)


36.) 09 Feb 2024 21:23:57
I heard that it’ll be a sky blue card, 115 gsm in weight.


37.) 09 Feb 2024 22:00:09
Speaking about the abuse.

I have a question. we see on a constant basis how the refs get abused and sworn at by the players. I mean, we don't have to be expert lip readers, it's actually that obvious.

9 out of 10 times, the ref doesn't ool the player for abuse, so my question is when a player actually does get booked. what must the player have said.


38.) 09 Feb 2024 23:34:46
I remember at one point a lot of people were all for VAR, look how that turned out.

Personally, I think I'm with Ron on this one, give it a go. Do I see it working? not really but I think for the reasons he has stated it's worth looking at.


39.) 09 Feb 2024 23:36:03
@Polecat, why should just the individual be punished .? They are part of the team and the team should be punished too.


40.) 10 Feb 2024 01:10:05
Sounds like a bonkers idea to me.
To my understanding currently only the ref keeps the time in football. How will the ref keep track of multiple people going off after one or two minute intervals?

I would much rather prefer that an orange card is given which counts as 2 yellow cards towards the 10 yellow cards a player can collect before they serve a mandatory two match suspension in the season.


41.) 10 Feb 2024 06:07:21
Let’s face it this blue card business is a load of crap. It’s being brought in because the refs can’t do their job. For years we’ve had this dissent issue and were told the officials were going to clamp down on it by issuing yellow cards. What happens they do it for the first 2/ 3 games of the season then it stops. Mainly because the refs then give a yellow card for a next to nothing foul a player gets sent off then it’s highlighted as soft sending off and spoiling the game. The bigger issue is the tolerance level for yellow cards it’s ridiculous every foul now is deemed a yellow card. I love my rugby and think football needs to get closer to rugby in terms of the respect players have for officials, but then at the same time the refs are helped more in rugby with TMO where in football the refs do like to be centre of attention. Sin bins is a horrible idea for football and will kill it. It works for rugby in a game where there are far more stoppages anyway, line outs and scrums eat up much time but the players need that slight rest because of the physicality of the game. In football it will completely ruin the spectacle as the team with players in the sin bin will just time waste unless they are already losing.


42.) 10 Feb 2024 06:27:06
What happens if say it’s used in a cup replay and your in extra time, 115th min score level. A player is blue carded does that mean he can’t take a pen for the first 5 mins of the shoot out? lol.


43.) 10 Feb 2024 07:02:12
I think we should ask why these imbeciles in charge would want to add blue cards and sin bins to the game, when at this very point in time, they have all the tools already to deal with dissent and cheating (time wasting, feigning injury, etc) . just use retrospective action onbthe offenders and ban them accordingly

Why all the fuss about blue cards, sin bins, and the like?

Sounds like another hidden agenda.

{Ed025's Note - just what we need JLC, more power to these power crazed idiots who officiate the game...unbelievable jeff..


44.) 10 Feb 2024 11:11:29
If a ref decided ‘today is the day I enforce all the rules every time’ then the game would finish quite early due to a lack of players on one team or another.

There has been too much leeway given for abuse, simulation, tactical fouls.

Enforcing the rules now would ruin the games and lead to potentially awful consequences for the officials.

Sin bin doesn’t ruin the game.

Personally I’d do away with blue cards and say yellow card = sin bin. That’s it.

I’d also change VAR and make it, as other sports, a limited number of incorrect appeals.
No appeal = VAR doesn’t get involved.
Appeal = tell the 4th official exactly what you’re appealing and ONLY that is checked.
Not was the player off side 3 minutes before or did a player catch someone’s shirt on the other side of the pitch. What are you checking. Then VAR checks that.

1 extra incorrect appeal after 80 mins.

Here Endeth the sermon ?.


45.) 10 Feb 2024 18:30:10
Whilst we are on the subject can we have sin bins for refs and maybe sin bins for people who film the bloody match instead of watching it yes sky im talking about you.


46.) 11 Feb 2024 00:02:55
Can't agree with anyone who likes the idea of this blue card.
I do agree more needs to be done to stamp out dissent, diving and deliberate cynical fouls, but a sin bin isn't the answer.
For those 10 minutes, the team down to 10 will park the bus and time waste. Yes you can stop the clock when they're rolling around feigning injury, but as a spectacle the game effectively comes to a stop for 10 minutes. Everyone's already sick of VAR slowing the game down and taking away the excitement, all a sin bin us going to do is make that 100 times worse.


47.) 11 Feb 2024 10:26:45
If a team is behind and they lose a player to the sin bin, they are not going to park the bus. Not if they need a goal.


48.) 12 Feb 2024 14:15:28
So. just so I understand all this. all season fans, managers etc have completely bemoaned VAR and the officiating, in particular the inconsistencies that we see from one week to another - are these decisions too subjective? Why has VAR not gotten involved? What has VAR seen in the same replay that we have all seen to make that call? Does the ground the teams play at have a bearing on these idiotic calls? The club badges involved perhaps are the difference maker? Do the rules change from one eek to the next? Is that why they are so hard to follow?

So many questions to be answered and in answer, the PGMOL have decided to what, introduce yet another level of subjectivity to this? I mean, given all the issues with officiating this season, just who thought 'you know what'd work and fix everything - a blue card! ' - I mean jeez what are they smoking over there? They can't even issue yellow and red cards right, what is the point of having something else to issue apologies for?

Already we can see blue cards issued for nothing, for reasons known only to those in the VAR booth, Dermot Gallagher will be on Sky Sports telling us all why it was a correct decision then the next week, when the same thing happens and no card issued, he'll be back on Sky Sports with a different interpretation to the previous week re-explaining and rewriting those same rules to tell us why this decision was in fact correct as well.


49.) 12 Feb 2024 20:42:42
Ron they absolutely are. If a team are a goal down and lose someone to a 10 minute sin bin, they 100% park the bus until that player is back on. Only time that doesn't happen is a blue card coming out from about 75th minute onwards. Even at 70 mins, they park the bus and turn it into a snore fest for 10 and go for it for the last 10. Throw this in on top of VAR and the sport as a spectacle is on its knees.


 

 

05 Feb 2024 07:43:04
Was at Emirates. Both teams were poor but we didn't event turn up. Really missed Nunez starting and Slobo's energy and drives forward. Oh well, our performances can only get better from here!

1jj

1.) 05 Feb 2024 08:35:30
It was a s**t show from the selection to the comedy defending. Why would you play a half fit Trent against Martinelli. And Gravenburch ahead off Elliot just crazy from Klopp.


2.) 05 Feb 2024 08:35:33
Quite frankly the players who replaced the regulars yesterday flopped badly and gave nothing. The flow of the team was not there and they didn’t even make effort like the Chelsea game. If I was on the bench and then selected for arsenal I would play like a rabid dog. For me this results puts Liverpool 3rd end of season cos they won’t win all their games and arsenal an city are far stronger at beating teams away. Liverpool have to beat spurs Man City Villa and that ain’t happening. Also I still believe Bradley Gomez konate vvd is our best back 4 … Trent an Robertson should play only the home games but there’s 3 cups for godsake go for it and stop this half hearted away performances that’s twice at the emirates now and the fa cup was a lucky win which u all saw.


3.) 05 Feb 2024 09:26:53
Longthing76. My sentiments exactly. Down to a tee. Klopp got the selection completely wrong and to compound the matter the boys played beyond poorly. We dust ourselves and move on, starting with a convincing win at Burnley.

That being said, one thing I don’t want to see is Gravenberch anywhere near the starting line up for the remainder of the season. He can come on for 15 minutes whenever we are 3 or 4 nill up. Beyond that he can sit on the bench.

Trent is another one. I don’t want to see him at right back ever again. Yes, he weren’t fully fit but that aside he needs to play midfield going forward. The coaches have to and should have trained him into that role, but they persisted on playing him right back and inverting. Hopefully it’s Alonso that comes in because he will work with him to turn him into a good midfielder.

Again, bad day at the office and one to forget. We have to bounce back with nothing but 3 points up until the City match on the 9th of March.


4.) 05 Feb 2024 10:41:09
Fact is that we have to win every single game until the end of the season. As that’s what City will be aiming to do. The problem is they have form for going on those kinds of runs.


5.) 05 Feb 2024 10:42:47
Bringing on Tiago who had been out since last April instead of giving McConnell some minutes was strange to me.
Don’t buy this not bollocking each other out when a catastrophic mistake is made either. All shrugs and handshakes. Being super-cool doesn’t inspire.


6.) 05 Feb 2024 10:46:29
My sentiments exactly, 1jj. I did not see the game and knew the score already (youtube feed is killing me) so disappointed with the result yet I watched it and oh my goodness, the game was an absolute ship show from both teams.

Arteta actually called the Arsenal perf. as "chaotic" and for once, I agreed with him. Liverpool? The selection was poor. You cannot start Gravenberch at the Emirates in a game with such high intensity. You can't do that. Maybe Szobo was out last minute BUT Elliott should have started. Overall, we were outworked. We started slow for the upteenth time at the Emirates again and again, you can't do that. Tat's on Klopp and the players. The sloppiness was terrible at times.

Arsenal? Apart from outworking us and they did so in the first half as we were on our heels. Now when we came out or the second half, we were better and stemmed the tide and Arsenal didn't do much and seemed leggy. It was an even game till the calamity with Ali/ VVD gave the game away and at that point, it's over. Trent? He wasn't fit but he had to play. We dust ourselves off and move on.


7.) 05 Feb 2024 10:53:08
If trent was seen as a midfielder and capable of doing a job in midfield he'd have been in midfield especially with gomez capable of playing RB.
Is trent taking sob, macs or Jones position because it'd be hard to justify him taking one of their positions. There's a lot to being a midfielder for us than passing a ball 60 yards. Maybe under alonso, he may get his chance and it'll be a different system because imo he's not getting a free role in the team to do what he wants. He has to track back, be physically strong, never stop running and defensively a lot better to get a spot in midfield or we'll be truly exposed through the middle too. I watched the game of him playing midfield for England and he looked absolutely wrecked half way through the match because of the demands of being a midfielder. He lost battles far too easily centrally and sprayed about 3 good balls. Trent is being seen as Gerrard by a lot of fans and he's simply nowhere near that type of player. he's not explosive, near that physically or athleticism. He's a terrific passer and should have been made to improve defensively and become one of the great right backs of the game. He's also less effective in this inverted role. He provides more creativity and assists playing Bradley's role, hugging the touchline.


8.) 05 Feb 2024 11:07:22
Gravenberch was terrible yesterday but so was every other player that started and the subs that came on.

The difference i suppose is that the other players have plenty of credit in the bank with how well they have done over the season or years and Grav doesn't.

When Grav and Gakpo went off and Elliot and Nunez came on things didn't get any better.

Trent looked disinterested to me yesterday of which I've never seen before. Szob's energy in midfield was a big miss but every player was massively off the boil and Arsenal looked far more up for it.

Referee performance wasn't great but the blame will land firmly at Klopp and the players feet.


9.) 05 Feb 2024 11:15:52
MIZER, Trent was not fit and had Bradley been there (hope he is getting all the support he and his fam needs in this torrid time), I think he would have started as he was on a high and I said multiple times that Bradley should start.

My biggest prob. with selection was Gravenberch over Elliott. Im sorry, you can't do that. Elliott knows the system inside out. Knows how, when and where to press and drop deep. And he is an absolute athelete who runs for days, ALL the things Gravenberch simply cannot do right now. That's on Klopp, bro.


10.) 05 Feb 2024 12:32:59
I don’t understand the signing of Gravenberch, not sure what Klopp sees.


11.) 05 Feb 2024 12:43:03
Oli I would totally disagree with that. I love Harvey Elliott but he is a ghost defensively as the Arsenal third goal showed. You simply can’t play Elliott away in a top of the table clash he just leaves his side of midfield wide open.

We conceded against Chelsea because he vacated his position and went chasing the ball across their back line. Love his energy and enthusiasm but you simply can’t start him in a game where you know you’ll be under huge pressure.

Gravenberch isn’t the best option either but given the options available he was probably the lesser of 2 evils for me. At least he’s big and strong and doesn’t just get run through.

I think ultimately if we’d had a full strength team we could’ve controlled the game much better but we had to use a half fit Trent and a not up to speed Gravenberch which cost us. I’m convinced that is why Gakpo started instead of Nunez so he could come deeper and help Gravenberch out a bit defensively but that then left us with no out ball.

Regardless of all of that it was a defensive error that cost us the game. We were in the ascendancy at that point and it just deflated us and gave them energy.


12.) 05 Feb 2024 13:06:04
It’s way too easy to say we shouldn’t have played that player and we should’ve played that player.

The only change I think I would’ve made to the starting line up would’ve been Nunez for Gakpo. That’s just because they were always going to press us high early doors and his pace gives us an out ball when under pressure. That being said with Gravenberch having to start I do understand why Gakpo started as he drops deeper to help the midfield.

It wasn’t a game for Gravenberch to start but he was the only option in my opinion. Elliott would’ve been a lot worse as he simply can’t defend. He’s all energy and running but he can’t tackle to save his life.

We all know that if Endo and Szob were available neither Grav nor Elliott would be considered for a starting spot but we had to go with what we had.

Trent wasn’t good but again he wouldn’t be starting if Bradley was available.

Of the players we had available there was nothing wrong with the starting line up and it was 1-1 with us in the ascendancy until the defensive cock up.

We really weren’t doing as bad as some on here are saying and on another day Ali stays on his line and VVD just heads it back to him and we get something from the game.


13.) 05 Feb 2024 13:50:54
It was certainly a very poor performance, and one that may have gifted City the league. The hope is obviously that we improve from here and finish the season well.

I was also surprised by some of the choices for the starting 11, but I don't know what went into those selections. Unfortunately, it did not work out in Liverpool's favor.

On to the next one.


14.) 05 Feb 2024 14:19:51
VVD should have hoof that ball out of stadium once he go ahead of Martinelli, but it doesn't fit his Daddy Cool persona, so he just shielded it for Ali.


15.) 05 Feb 2024 14:44:58
Beckers pecker'Nunez was a doubt for the game right up to the last minute, so obviously hadn't trained since Wednesday. If things were going better, I doubt Klopp would have even brought him off the bench. The last thing we needed, was him agrivating his foot injury.


16.) 05 Feb 2024 16:38:35
Putting Gravenberch and Trent on our right was always going to be a disaster I felt, giving the fact Trent doesn't do chasing back and Gravenberch isn't up to the level required yet, we had seen previously what Martinelli can do to Trent so thinking that pairing would work was just mad.
I think that clusterf**k between Alisson and VvD will go down as the Gerrard slip equivilent for this team.
Regardless of any individuals play, Arsenal played as they have previously against us but with extra zeal which our players couldn't compete with which is sad.


17.) 05 Feb 2024 17:04:09
Our left hand side was poor though and Grav and Trent couldn’t have been any further away. We were rubbish all over the park.

Grav was crap no denying that but he left the pitch and was replaced by Elliot and things didn’t improve and in fact we conceded 2 more.

But that’s not me blaming Elliot because we didn’t lose yesterday because of an individual but because we were shocking as a collective.


18.) 05 Feb 2024 17:06:21
Beckers, that's your opinion and even then, you are comparing the start of the game with the end of the game where mentally, our heads were gone and the way VVD approached Trossard and swung a lazy leg at the shot going thru Ali's legs was a clear microcosm of the day itself. Absolutely wretched from start to finish. Not bothered with the Chelsea game cos IMO, we conceded mainly due to the 4 changes made in one go and that messed up the dynamic of the game so you blaming Elliott yet saying no need to blame this or that player is a clear contradiction.

Like you, Im not bothered about who was absent and couldn't play cos it is hat it is. My thing is that even tho I agree that we cannot blame this on this or that player ans this was a collective train wreck from top to bottom, it is very important to point out certain head-scratching decisions made by the manager.

Again, I am not blaming Gravenberch. I am blaming the guy (s) who thought it was a good idea to play ad defensively unaware player who is prone to lapses in concentration, does not know the press yet on the side of Trent who needs protection and legs whereas Elliott (as he showed vs Fulham in the EFL Cup) has shown that he can provide these things with Szobo out. That pairing was doomed to fail esp. in transition, simple as. Sorry, you can't do that, end of. Elliott has legs and knows the system inside-out. Gravenberch doesn't, fact and his perf. showed it. Again, Klopp is on the hook for this one again, not Gravenberch.


19.) 05 Feb 2024 17:11:11
"Arsenal played as they have previously against us but with extra zeal which our players couldn't compete with which is sad. "


This!

Exactly what I thought after watching the game. Arsenal were nothing special in terms of play and even their manager called their perf. "chaotic". What they did well was raise the intensity in the first half and outnumbered us in midfield with Havertz/ Odegaard dropping into midfield as the spare guys. And even that, failed in the second half when we took control back of the game. Te game was poised and even after that even tho, we found it hard to create real chances until disaster struck.

As you said, that VVD mistake was SO unnecessary, the more I watch it. It didn't have to be this way and we gifted them 3 points without them actually earning it in terms of their actual play. Frustrating as heck.

{Ed014's Note - no offence but that’s utter bollox!


20.) 05 Feb 2024 17:19:26
Elliott's been average when starting, and again when he came on yesterday, he just needs to find his flow again, he is a class squad player just out of form, Gravenberch was a let down but so were Trent and Gakpo, the second goal has been looked past, Van Dijk was pushed and Alisson kicked him, no push, no goal, they been immense all season it can happen, the only things yesterday showed was if we had a specialist Def Mid we would of been fine, dare i say a Rice and we win, Arsenal really aren't all that and they will finish below us, getting back in CL was always priority 1 with a cup win or 2, the team is a joy to watch and it will only get better, Bradley was also a massive miss, condolences to him.


21.) 05 Feb 2024 18:14:18
Ed014 mate, don't just say that. Please, actually explain what you think is bollox in my post. Keep in mind that my opinion was made based on what I watched (watched it after I knew the result so no emotional blindness here) and what I thought is actually what your own manager confirmed in his assessment of his team's performance as "chaotic". So is your manager chatting utter bollox, as well?

{Ed014's Note - mate we weren’t chaotic, bar the mix up for your goal. Which is no doubt what he was referring too, as he’s never said that about the game as a whole.

As in the cup game we were way ahead of you in footballing terms in both first halves but on this occasion simply kept you from doing anything of note in the 2nd half.

I watched it as it happened and at no time bar that slip was I worried about you at all.


22.) 05 Feb 2024 19:56:38
Ed014, that's a great response and I hear you on some of the things you have said. At no point did I think we were better than you if you have read any of my posts since the game so you saying at no point were you ever worried about us is like preaching to the choir. As for the Cup game, you had no shots on target in the second half and we were a lot better footballistically in the second half and created a lot more attacking phases where the goals came from, shut you down defensively (Bradley shut down Martinelli and Konate was MOTM) in that game than we were in the whole of this game. In fact, you played better in that game than you did in this one IMO, so we will have to disagree on that.

That said, I still maintain that you did not need to do that much to beat us esp. in terms of the actual performance cos well, we were that poor. We lacked the energy, intensity and desire to match you and sometimes, that's all you need if the oppo. is not doing much. Again, not saying you did not deserve it cos of course, you did. Just saying that footballistically, you did not have to break a sweat to beat us cos well, we offerred nothing dangerous all game. No shots on target all game tells the story right there.

{Ed014's Note - let’s be honest about the cup game, we could have been, at a minimum 4 goals up, by half time if we’d put our chances away, we were so dominant. But we didn’t put them away, simple.

I just think we’ve been the better side in all three games this season and finally got the result our football deserved.


23.) 05 Feb 2024 20:05:25
I have to say Ed14 I felt exactly the same about Arsenal. You huffed and puffed but barely laid a glove on us.

The longer it was going on the more we started to take control and Arsenal ran out of ideas. Without the mistake I think we go on to win the game because we have players who can put the ball in the net.

{Ed014's Note - ??? that’s funny as we had Saka, Trossard and Martinelli who can put the ball in the net too!

We rinsed you, get over it! ?


24.) 06 Feb 2024 10:04:27
Arteta was get hounded out 3 weeks ago haha, Arsenaltv is a great watch on Youtube after a game, Arsenal won't win the league with Arteta in charge, sorry he isn't top level, Arsenal are 4/ 5 players away from a big trophy win, like we were before Alisson and Van Dijk came in.


25.) 06 Feb 2024 10:07:20
@Oli, Van Dijk was pushed, it's why Allison kicked him instead of the ball, all that game showed was we are a Rice away from winning the league, Macallister has been sound since coming back injury but he didn't track Havertz for Saka's goal, a top class DM does, controlled in after Jones moved next to Macallister, that should be Trents role from now on.


 

 

 

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