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05 Feb 2018 10:24:44
Seen rumours flying around about Wilshire and i expect there nothing in them but. There's a cracking player inside Wilshire bubbling beneath the surface and if someone cough'Klopp'cough could get him focused and professional he'd certainly be an improvement on Wiji.

I'd see him as the back up to Henderson and we should be able to get most of a season out of two sick notes combined.

PutneyRed

1.) 05 Feb 2018 10:50:10
If he stayed fit all season I would take him all day, but doubt he could, we had these probs wid lallana sturridge an too a lesser extent clyne, important players we need playing firing fit, Wilshire is quality though for free would b worth the gamble.


2.) 05 Feb 2018 11:17:42
He is being looked as - 30 games a season for the next 2 seasons and properly managed unlike what Wenger is doing he will blossom at LFC.


3.) 05 Feb 2018 11:45:27
Another Joe Cole in my eyes. Steer well clear.


4.) 05 Feb 2018 12:24:12
That's harsh mad max.

Joe Cole could play football.


5.) 05 Feb 2018 13:27:25
Absolutely woeful player who gets lauded because he’s English and had one good game in his career. Would be fuming if we bought him because there are far better and less injury prone players around. He creates few chances, he offers no goal threat and is defensively frail.


6.) 05 Feb 2018 14:41:48
it would just be like Liverpool to sign a player like whilshire, how does he strengthen the midfield? all he would be good for would be keeping Henderson company when hendo is injured, we need to be looking at far better quality than this, I only hope this is a silly rumour and nothing more.


7.) 05 Feb 2018 22:10:54
Hardly a woeful player what a ridiculous comment although I’m hardly suprised. he is an excellent player with unfortunate luck wi injuries. if fit and at his best he would improve our centre midfield no end. problem is that the fitness can’t be relied upon. bad track record so stay clear imo.


8.) 05 Feb 2018 22:50:00
Wiltshire would be an upgrade on Grujic, Can and Gini in my opinion. If Klopp wants him then I’m happy.


9.) 06 Feb 2018 02:06:19
"theres a cracking player inside wilshire" Are you implying him and Ozil are about to make some sort of announcement?


10.) 06 Feb 2018 08:16:56
I wouldn’t be keen on him mainly due to injuries but he’s in his best form for years (not a difficult task) and wouldn’t maybe worth a punt if his wages aren’t too high and we don’t have to pay a fee.


11.) 06 Feb 2018 09:26:34
He gets stuck in and can play the ball, which is something we lack in midfield, if he stays fit and when he’s on the pitch he breaks up the play and releases the ball well then I would take him but only on a free to be fair, plus if he leaves Hitchin (his hometown) then he will be more focused on football and not on certain other things that have held his career back.


12.) 06 Feb 2018 23:00:06
He's not dedicated enough, he doesn't train hard enough, he's injured too much, he smokes and drinks in his free time/ weekends, he is miles away from the quality we should be looking at if we want to genuinely improve our midfield. Klopp is a decent coach, he is not a magician and he cannot magical transform unprofessional, uninterested players into world beaters. Wilshere will always be a case of what could have been - let another side take a punt and pay him extortionate wages, this is the exact sort of signing we need to avoid.


 

 

07 Sep 2017 16:15:37
How's this for a conspiracy theory, a factor in deciding to keep Moreno was to ensure Coutinho had a close friend in the squad.

PutneyRed

1.) 07 Sep 2017 17:50:33
Moreno is klopps long lost lovechild only way to explain it.


2.) 07 Sep 2017 19:00:20
And Roberto Firmino isn't a close friend of Coutinho?


3.) 07 Sep 2017 19:54:02
Except that Klopp wanted rid of coutinho at the end.


4.) 07 Sep 2017 19:59:49
you'd think he would've kept lucas for that.


5.) 07 Sep 2017 20:10:25
Reid, just because they're both Brazilian doesn't make them best mates.


6.) 07 Sep 2017 20:15:50
He definitely is closer too moreno, moreno has a good character round the dressing room I hope he can somehow come good.

{Ed025's Note - and i want everton to win the CL hailstones...same chance..


7.) 07 Sep 2017 20:21:34
Or that Moreno has improved?

{Ed025's Note - silk purses and sows ears and all that..


8.) 07 Sep 2017 20:32:58
See his face from the bench.


9.) 07 Sep 2017 20:45:48
Moreno hasn't improved imo, he's been just as bad this season. I do however know from someone who works for the club that he's a top bloke.

{Ed025's Note - aah thats nice cobra..


10.) 07 Sep 2017 21:03:15
Ed25 seems like a nice bloke but then you remember he's a biter!


11.) 07 Sep 2017 22:06:29
Klopp said through out last season that the best in training in terms of attitude and commitment, is Moreno.


12.) 07 Sep 2017 23:08:39
Is pipco back in training?


13.) 07 Sep 2017 23:25:24
Big season ahead for Moreno. From what I saw, it was his pre season appearaces that kept him at the club,
He's another year older now and hopefully not as wrash in his decision making,

FB must be the hardest position on the pitch to play, you really need eyes in the back of your head.


14.) 08 Sep 2017 00:34:39
Yes and we kept Bogdan whom is a close friend of markovic whom is a close friend of Moreno whom of co as you said is a close friend of Coutinho.


15.) 08 Sep 2017 00:03:44
Proper neg ead u ed 025 he can improve can't he, also he has shown in the past he has had good games he has room too improve young lad comin too different league, he could b adapting, jus needs too find consistency.

{Ed025's Note - im a realist hailstones, he has been at the club for 3 years now so how long do you want to wait for him to improve?...just admit hes a lemon like karius, thats the problem with liverpool supporters they cant admit that some of their players are sub standard mate..


16.) 08 Sep 2017 06:53:30
Moreno is average going forward and when he gets beaten in defence and has to chase back he is a liability. Can't tackle and is so rash when chasing back that he gives free kicks away in dangerous areas and penalties.

Who cares if he is a nice guy.
Hate player bashing but he has a long way to go to win the fans over.


17.) 08 Sep 2017 08:53:36
Ed25, us LFC fans use to get a lot of stick for not "getting behind" players or "slagging them off" and now your saying we can't admit sub standard?
Everton fans are so delirious its quite scary. 😂🙈.

{Ed025's Note - encouragement is fine kopette, but lets not pretend that all reds players are world beaters thats all, some of them are of course (mane,couts) but there is also a lot of dross in there as well, lets just be honest mate..


18.) 08 Sep 2017 09:52:57
Were not sayin that ed 025, we sayin the lad is learning his trade he young look at david luiz no one would say he could improve look at salah also victor moses, if this season he constantly makin mistakes ok we hold our hands up, but if he shows improvement give the lad a chance, I think he can offer something an he has quality.

{Ed025's Note - we are all entitled to our opinions hailstones, the fact that you dont recognise a nugget when you see one still perplexes me though mate..


19.) 08 Sep 2017 10:15:35
Beddoerocks, you say Moreno can't tackle but I was reading an article yesterday that stated he is our leading tackler this season with 9, Matip is second on 8.


20.) 08 Sep 2017 11:09:41
Ed025, how can you call Karius a lemon? Lads only played a few games for us and he's young.

Certiainly not going to praise him yet as tour next great no 1 but don't you think it's fair to wait and see how he turns out before passing judgement? Looking through the those toffee spectacles again?!

{Ed025's Note - i have this philosophy you see hamish...if a guy knocks at my door wearing a green curly wig, bulbous red nose, yellow check suit and size 27 boots then i think to myself...this guys a clown, i dont need to interview him mate, i can tell straight away..


21.) 08 Sep 2017 12:07:48
Hahaha ok ed 025, I just like too see my glass is half full than half empty he has put in good performances an shown too b a decent left back admittedly in beginning of his liverpool career but why can't he improve mate he has time on his side, I was his biggest doubter last 2 seasons I know why u say wat u do, but this a make or break season for him, he is showin signs of getting better so I have too get behind him.

{Ed025's Note - and thats ok by me hailstones...hows the weather today in cloud cuckoo land mate.. :)


22.) 08 Sep 2017 12:09:18
Moreno isn't a nugget he a professional footballer getting paid handsomely.

{Ed025's Note - in our local Mcdonalds they now sell chicken morenos...so you could be wrong mate..


23.) 08 Sep 2017 13:09:55
Hahaha I am more into subway.


24.) 08 Sep 2017 12:50:51
Ed025, really? Come on mate you are being a little bit over the top. Moreno and Karius are both young and moved from different leagues.

Did you assume that De Gea was a lemon when he first joined United? With his comedy goal keeping and his lack of any physicality? His first season was an absolute disaster and now look at him, he's arguably one of the top 5 in the world as a keeper.

I'm not for one moment saying that Karius will get this good, I'm just saying his situation is comparable to De Gea, although I think De Gea actually had a worse first season than Karius, so we should give him a chance.

{Ed025's Note - im all for giving him a chance hsf, but he has yet to prove he is anything more than a liability so at the moment he is certainly a lemon, will he improve..possibly but until he does i think its fair to assume he is not up to the job, moreno has had 3 years and if he has not made the transition by now then we can reasonable assume hes a dud, its not all his fault though as it seems the coaching defensively at least is certainly lacking at liverpool mate..


25.) 09 Sep 2017 08:00:33
How anyone can say that Moreno hasn't had enough time to prove himself is beyond me! 1 good pre season game and everyone thinks he's Ashley Cole. He has proven time and time again he doesn't have the aptitude for being a left back and he's done nothing this season to prove me otherwise.
Training hard, having the right attitude and being a top bloke should not be enough to keep you in a team wanting to win honours.

{Ed025's Note - im with you cobra..


26.) 10 Sep 2017 20:02:35
Tizer I am not making my comment based on 2 or 3 games.

Moreno is not a good defender when turned. Season after season we have seen that. By all means throw stats around 93% of people know stats can used to prove a incorrect opinion 😁.


27.) 10 Sep 2017 22:05:34
We need a stable back 4. Chopping and changing is not ideal. We should try and develop a steady first back 4 to enable an understanding to develop. Stick Robertson in the LB slot TAA in RB slot and settle on a first choice CB pairing (Loren and Matip for me)

Klopp needs to commit as we have the players but they rarely ever play more than one game together.

If klopp rates Moreno then fine. But stand by the decision and give him a run in the team with a steady defensive line that can cover his shortcomings.


 

 

15 Aug 2017 14:12:13
Ed1, is there any indication from your sources that the reason for Coutinho missing games is anything other than injury?

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - not at the moment, but he is close to fitness, so it will be interesting to see if he is still missing games after the weekend.}


1.) 15 Aug 2017 15:53:58
Tite has said that he will only consider players who play regularly for the WC squad, even if it is Coutinho. If the club holds firm and keep him, he needs to build bridges and get into the team and have a good season if he wants to play in the WC.


2.) 15 Aug 2017 16:03:57
Cou is not that much of a sulker anyway as downing tools is not his thing. He may need time to clear his head but he will give his all esp. as his WC place is at stake as Tite does not play favorites like his incompetent predecessors Dunga and esp. Scolari.


3.) 15 Aug 2017 16:17:31
Its a shame the club couldn't sort it out behind closed doors. The lad deserves his chance at barcelona. Hope he goes on and smashes it this season wherever he plays. I want to see him at the world cup.


4.) 15 Aug 2017 16:23:21
Look, the kid wants to go, he'll be on the front of video games. Think in terms of a career, when you get offered a promotion you rarely turn it down. No offence to lfc, My first love. Reckon we might keep him until January. And I think you're right, he is not a sulker. He is still going to love us. Ynwa.


5.) 15 Aug 2017 16:25:51
Thanks Ed, I hoped that was the case.


6.) 15 Aug 2017 16:57:51
Barcelona bidding at 7:30 would be interesting though. 15 mins before kickoff, with the players wondering if he would be sold before the end of the 1st half. Lol.
Unless they don't get to see the news.


7.) 15 Aug 2017 19:30:27
If the club decides Coutinho is going nowhere and goes on and refuses to play for us then I will loose all respect. Then he can rot.

Suarez spat out his dummy when he found out he was not leaving immediately but still gave his all on the pitch irrespective of him being miff.


8.) 16 Aug 2017 00:54:09
I fail to realize why he'd want to go to Barca. I'm serious when I say that we look more prospecting then that lot at the moment. They will need Suarez, Iniesta, Alves, Messi, Alba and Neymar replacements by a few years time, without them their squad is nothing. Not to mention his best friend left them too. And in that case PSG I'd understand with the whole Brazilian entourage, but Barcelona is falling and makes no sense.

{Ed002's Note - They are not failing that much. They will have plauyers like Dembele and Coutinho - they will look again to Dybala next summer. They are successful in Europe and Domestically.}


9.) 16 Aug 2017 07:23:43
Lol. Biggest club in the world not that good. If they're no good then can you please tell me what football tou are watching. "If they didn't have *list sll their players* they would be no good. " what? If my house had no roof then I would get wet. But it has got a roof and now znd then needs a bit of attention. Players are so much more intelligent as they reach their peak 27 - 31 and more likely to go well in knock out comps. Barcelona are very dangerous. We beat bayern, we beat chelsea arsenal city and spurs last term. Barcelona would try to play football with us and thus would be playing right into our hands.


10.) 16 Aug 2017 08:17:46
If they're not that good, god knows what we are then. I was not convinced last night. That midfield and defence is poo.


11.) 16 Aug 2017 15:06:47
Defence was class last night. We won, away from home at a very decent side. Our boys tactics were near perfect. Hoffenhiem may have more of the ball but that is how liverpool played it. Last night the result was more important than playing silky football. If not for fantastic defending we would have more work to do at anfield.


12.) 16 Aug 2017 15:41:25
Can I have some of what your on please Superred91.


13.) 16 Aug 2017 16:54:25
I'm afraid you can't Lancaster. Steven Gerrard called the defence brilliant last night and I agree. I though we defended excellently.


14.) 16 Aug 2017 17:05:48
Did you see how we let them have the ball? We didn't press them how we normally do. It was the game plan to soak up their pressure and punish them on the break. This is European football and hoffenhiem were a decent side who are very strong at home. Teams are always going to get through. Ok lovren wasn't amazing but he did make some vital interceptions and tackles, headers. Look. We won. Somewhere bayern and dortmund came unstuck.


15.) 16 Aug 2017 20:08:56
Our defence has many faults and they have been awful at times. I admit to going a bit OTT when it comes to rating liverpool players but I was very happy that we got a result and look like qualifying for UCL now. I also love my club and believe credit where it's due. The boys did pretty well defencively. That touch matip did to stop the cross reaching hoffenhiem forward. Brilliant. I think for once they earned some praise.


16.) 17 Aug 2017 08:44:34
Biggest thing with being at Barcelona is pretty much guaranteed ECL every year because of the league they are in.


 

 

07 Jul 2017 13:03:17
Lots of people are upset about our transfer activity so far this summer and I have to extend my sympathies to the Eds for what they have to put up with. I thought I’d try and read between the lines a bit to try and understand what's happened so far this season and what's going on now. This is, of course, complete guess work but it may help some understand why we haven’t finished our transfer activity yet.

Ahead of the this summer Klopp had a couple of main priorities, a second top class wide player and fixing the left back position. We needed a wide man because of an over-reliance on Mane and at LB, despite Milner doing a decent job, Klopp wanted more pace and a left foot there. CB was a concern but not the priority (hence Lovren’s new contract and the assurances that were given to Gomez early on) . Two things have changed since the early planning, the (apparent) availability of VVD and the potential need for CM if Coutinho or Can leave.

The wide man is easiest to deal with as Salah’s already here. Klopp wanted Brandt but Brandt wasn’t sure so we moved on to another target who wanted to come to us and who’s club were content to sell to us, this was completed in fairly good order. LB has been far more problematic. Kolasinac chose Arsenal, Mendy appears to have chosen City and Tierney is content where he is so none of the players Klopp wanted were available (Sessegnon was one for the future not the first team) . Klopp will go for Robertson if he has to but the fact that he’s not a Liverpool player yet suggests we’re exploring other options. If it gets to August and no other option has become available I expect Robertson to come in then.

The VVD saga has caused problems. I expect when Lovren signed his contract he was expecting to be first choice but this that changed when VVD expressed an interest in joining us. Lovren now knows that Klopp is not satisfied with him and I expect Klopp doesn’t want to rely on an unsettled CB, therefore, by circumstance, CB has become a priority. I understand there is still a hope that a deal with Saints can be made whilst Saints will be hoping they can sell to someone else but, if there are no other takers, they may be prepared to speak to Liverpool again. Therefore Liverpool are biding their time, they are looking at other options if VVD doesn’t come but they are hoping that they get another chance and are prepared to wait.

The CM story is different again. With the danger of Can not signing a contract or Coutinho leaving for mega-bucks it was prudent to start looking at replacements and Keita was identified as an option. My suspicion is that something has happened behind the scene and it is now expected that either Can or Coutinho will be elsewhere next season and Keita went from an option to a primary target. I doubt Liverpool will let Coutinho leave without a replacement being identified so that deal will depend on RBL agreeing to sell Keita (and may also explain their high asking price) or an alternative of similar quality becoming available. This saga will likely rumble on for the rest of the summer.

Oxlade-Chamberlain is separate to all this. I expect this is another unexpected opportunity. On paper O-C seems to be a good fit for Klopp and Klopp would be happy to bring in a player who can cover any position across the midfield. Right now the ball is with O-C and his agent, they are waiting to see who offers them the best deal, Arsenal, Liverpool or maybe someone else. With the player due back in training shortly I expect he’ll want to make a decision soon.

In summary I expect O-C to make a decision on his future shortly, Liverpool will look to bring in a LB to join pre-season as soon as possible with Robertson being the player they go for if no better option presents itself. Meanwhile Klopp is prepared to wait on VVD’s availability and Leipzig will hold out for as much of the Coutinho money as they can get.

PutneyRed

1.) 07 Jul 2017 13:09:26
I don't think Robertson will wait till August 31 to move clubs. Two clubs are taking to hull and a decision has to be made soon, not haggle around!
Keita and Coutinho are completely unrelated! The club and the manager will face riot from supporters if Coutinho is sold!


2.) 07 Jul 2017 13:51:20
I agree with if you know me. Coutinho is staying, I have no doubt.

I agree with Putneyred on VVD. Liverpool will wait to see if anyone else approaches and if not, I'd expect an offer and acceptance in late August.

As for left backs, I don't know what to expect.

I hope we get Keita, VVD and a proper LB because if we do, I genuinely believe we would have the squad to challenge on all fronts.

YNWA.


3.) 07 Jul 2017 14:02:05
What if coutinho wants to leave and tries to give it through, would the riot still go ahead. It tickles me that we moan if players want to go even if we don't want to sell, but if we want a player who the other club don't want to sell we want them to force the move! We will get deals done if a player and club are happy with the move and we pay the money required, simples😉.


4.) 07 Jul 2017 14:19:17
Don't worry Putney Red, the Eds don't do this at the point of a gun.

{Ed001's Note - it is mild torture I use to force them, no guns involved.}


5.) 07 Jul 2017 14:32:00
I find it highly unlikely that coutinho will be leaving. Not only have the club shown no sign that we would be willing to sell but more importantly phil himself has given no indication that he wants to leave. In fact he has gone the opposite way and not even sounded vague about it. Also the fact that Barcelona aren't interested is even better for us. There is no way he is leaving us for PSG before playing in champions league which he continues to say how excited he is for.


6.) 08 Jul 2017 00:26:18
I doubt Coutinho would leave for any club other than Barcelona. He definitely wouldn't go to another EPL club and it makes little sense for him to go to PSG, unless they offered him a crazy amount of money and he was money-hungry, but he doesn't seem to be like that. Mu gut feeling and reson tell me Coutinho is quite happy to stay with us for another season and reassess his options later. playing for a great club, under a great coach y now with the opportunity of CL, which is what he wanted. JK needs to continue to build a strong squad with the likes of the players we're being linked with (VVD, Keita etc) and our top players will have even less of a reason to leave. Plus LFC is a family and there will always be players that appreciate that and want to stay. Coutinho looks like that type of player in my opinion.


7.) 08 Jul 2017 20:33:16
Vvd is worth pushing for. Kieta isn't worth the money and our current midfielders are just as good if not better. Keep hearing people say he helped his team qualify for champions league, well so did lallana Hendo can wijnaldum and coutinio. In a much much tougher league. Kieta is not half the player pogba is and would cost almost as much. We would be ridiculed. He is not the player everyone here thinks he is.


 

 

03 Jul 2017 12:20:52
Hi eds, if RBL do decide to sell Keita are we the only club to have shown interest or are there others who may try and swoop in?

PutneyRed

{Ed002's Note - I understand from an Arsenal scout that the club were looking to make an offer to RBL for Naby Keita in the summer but the lack of Champions League football, the reluctance of RBL to sell and an outrageous asking price if the did decide to sell would likely cause a dent in that plan. He has been looked at by Arsenal on several occasions these past two seasons with interest also being shown by PSG, Chelsea and Dortmund. The prior interest of Bayern Munich waned with the "not for sale" flag and the potential asking price - they don't see the value. There has been interest shown by Liverpool but RBL have twice made it clear that there has been no approach to the club. They are aware that the player became unsettled when Liverpool to the step of using the press to unsettle their targets and they now know that Liverpool have directly approached and spoken to the player. You can expect an offer from Liverpool. Spurs were watching him at the end of the season but no mre. RBL would like him to stay and to extend his contract.}


1.) 03 Jul 2017 12:47:56
Are Liverpool not likely to be in very big trouble if we they have spoken to the player (yet again) without RBL's consent? Surely the only way of avoiding yet another complaint is to stump up the cash to buy him and avoid annoying RBL even more.


2.) 03 Jul 2017 13:04:51
By reading the words of the eds, a transfer seems highly unlikely unless we are prepared to pay a very steep price.

Do you think Liverpool will be willing to meet the potential asking price?

Thank you.


3.) 03 Jul 2017 12:52:08
Many thanks for the detailed response.


4.) 03 Jul 2017 12:57:34
So Eds, if we have spoke directly to Keita, then if they wanted to could follow the same stance as Southampton.

Our dealings are nothing short of shambolic at the minute!

{Ed002's Note - Clubs are under no obligation to sell.}


5.) 03 Jul 2017 13:44:59
From what i saw of this guy last year he was immense and can get even better with Klopps help. He does a bit of everything and is a future world star.

The price will be what he is worth and at will be between
50-60m into todays market as they don't need the money and we have a solid starting playing who gets beyond his man and moves a team forward with quick incisive thinking and passing, also pops in with a few goals rather than two fairly good players for 40m. I know who i would rather.


6.) 03 Jul 2017 13:54:27
Sorry Ed2 I mean with complaints etc and our approach being an illegal one. Surely any more complaints against us and we are in serious hot water.

We are going to make it really difficult for ourselves in the future if we keep acting like this in the market.

I don't understand why we briefed the press on our targets, as clubs will just stop dealing with us (i. e Fulham) . So we must pay the asking price for Keita and move on, knowing us though we will bid £50m and a chocolate bar hoping they will accept!

{Ed002's Note - The briefing was done in order to deliberately unsettle the players.}


7.) 03 Jul 2017 15:19:46
I dint see this obsession with kieta, he will cost a fortune and if we buy him I see it as a replacement for Coutinho, who is better. Makes no sense to me.

Baz.


8.) 03 Jul 2017 15:32:32
Not at all a replacement for coutinho.


9.) 03 Jul 2017 15:42:33
Apperently Keita is the best at packing. The most important pass in the modern game. I hope he signs.


10.) 03 Jul 2017 16:04:16
I will be distraught if we sign Kieta and then also give him the no.8 shirt! I don't think we should be kicking out Gini, Can, or Lallana for a player who is on the same level. We are completely sorted in CM and we're as strong as anyone in the league in that department.

Only way the deal makes sense is if Can leaves, or maybe we wait till Can leaves on a free next summer and then we can sign Kieta for £48m (release clause 2018)

feels like a pointless signing to me and hope it doesn't happen.


11.) 03 Jul 2017 16:06:51
Keita is nothing like Coutinho. Completely different types of players. Keita reminds me more of a younger Yaya Toure, but with a better work rate.


12.) 03 Jul 2017 16:22:50
Keita will sign. You don't kick up this much fuss if you're happy and settled.

£130K/ pw is the rumoured wage offer.

He'll sign, so will VVD.


13.) 03 Jul 2017 16:32:22
Indian Buzzer is really Louis Walsh!


14.) 03 Jul 2017 16:37:37
Bryant he is at a higher level than gini can and lallana imo already and he's only 22. I don't understand how you think our cm is the strongest in the league? And baz he's not the same as coutinho at all. If he keeps progressing at the rate he has been he could be one of the best cms in the world and for another 10 years too. 2nd most dribbles in bundesliga 6th most tackles 6th most interceptions 8 goals 8 assists. He does everything. At 22! I'm really excited 😂 I hope we get him 🙏🏻.


15.) 03 Jul 2017 16:39:41
Who said Keita was like Coutinho?

Keita is better in midfield than Lallana from what I have seen, and Salah is definitely a better forward than Coutinho.

In an ideal world, we sign Salah and keep Coutinho to replace Lallana in midfield. But if Coutinho leaves, we still need a better player in there than Lallana who just dithers on the ball too much.

Keita is not worth £70m but he is seemingly a very quick thinker who looks to break at the opposition. Something Lallana is terrible at doing, which constantly affects us when trying to break teams down.

Coutinho leaving is the only scenario for me where Keita goes into our starting line up. Not because they are the same, but as an indirect replacement in the starting XI. I still have doubts over the price, but I could ignore that if Keita was going to be a regular.


16.) 03 Jul 2017 17:53:52
Why do people assume a team would have their strongest 11 every week? "Why are we signing him when we have X, Y and Z in midfield already? " - because it's a squad. Look at the injuries to Henderson, Coutinho, Mane, Matip, Lallana. etc. You don't buy 11 great players and then average back ups. you buy strength in depth, which means when players are fit you have options.


17.) 03 Jul 2017 17:55:01
Redwillis, I have no doubt that he's a decent player but I think spending another £70m on our strongest area is daft. He got a few goals and assits but watching highlights he did get lucky enough times (will admit he scored a couple of good ones too) .

He is just a bit of an all rounder and erratic but he's not going to be a defensive destroyer type who will dominate in the tackle, and likewise he's not a world class passer or clever dribbler. He's not going to take Gini's place and suddenly make 3 times the difference.

For £70m we could get a player who'll score another 20+ goals, or a world class LB, CB, GK.

I'm sure we're not going to spend a couple of hundred million this summer and to me, spending so much in this area and potentially scarficiing going all out strengthen other areas seems wrong.

Just expressing my opionion. think this is going to a crazy transfer window!


18.) 03 Jul 2017 18:03:19
MK, you think Salah is better than Coutinho?

He hasn't even kicked a ball for us yet and suddenly he's better than our player of the year 2 years running and someone who routinely gets good numbers for goals and assists in the premier league!


19.) 03 Jul 2017 18:47:46
Puzzled you are really good at not reading things properly. Salah is a better forward. Not a better player. Coutinho is a midfielder who has still managed to be unbelievable playing out of position.

Salah is a more natural wide forward who will keep the width when it is needed, run in behind and attack the box. Coutinho always comes too deep to get involved in the play.

Nowhere have I or anyone said Salah is better than Coutinho. Coutinho is bordering on world class right now and Salah is just a great player. But Salah is a better forward purely because he is suited to the role and isn't a player out of position.

Seriously, why do some people just go looking for conflict and make themselves look petty and ridiculous?


20.) 03 Jul 2017 19:19:19
Bryant I don't understand what you have been watching. Keita has is world class in the final third. his weight of pass is perfect and what's more he has bags of energy defensively. he is leagues above gini and the rest of our midfield. Can takes forever on the ball and refuses to pass anywhere other than sideways. When people say we don't need to strengthen our midfield it baffles me. even more so when they clearly have never watched keita who WOULD transform our midfield.


21.) 03 Jul 2017 19:26:17
Sorry MK but I diasagree! I'm not misreading.

Salah is not a better forward than Countinho.

Who, like I say in my comment, got all those accolades playing AS A FORWARD, not in midfield.

Coutinho is arguably better in midfield, fine. But he's still better than Salah as a forward too. You're judging Salah of a good year in Serie A. We're all judging Couts off years playin as a forward.

Not looking for conflict with your bud, I just disagree.


22.) 03 Jul 2017 19:21:11
also seems people are judging Keita based on highlights which is worrying. Keita, salah and a left back and i will be delighted. if we can add a CB better than lovren then bonus.


23.) 03 Jul 2017 19:22:17
Puzzled, if you read the post from MK, he actually said that Salah is a better forward than Coutinho, I believe that Courtinho is a better midfielder than Salah, but that's what he said .


24.) 03 Jul 2017 20:24:13
Now you are making stuff up Puzzled.

Coutinho since signing for LFC has 34 goals in 138 premier league games.

Salah since moving to Italy has 35 goals in 81 appearances.

So not only has Salah proven over 3 seasons he can score goals, he has also outscored Coutinho who has not got near his minutes to goal ratio.

Playing as a forward ultimately is about putting the ball into the net. Salah is better at doing that. Whether he adapts to English football is another matter entirely though. Coutinho is the better player. I am not under any illusions regarding that matter, but Salah is a better forward.


25.) 03 Jul 2017 21:58:47
Salah has scored them goals in Italy. exactly! Not quite as competitive* as the BPL is it? Let's judge him when he's played them games in a red shirt.

{Ed007's Note - Yeah wait to see what he can do against footballing mega-powers like Huddersfield and Bournemouth before judging him. The worst Italian defender in Serie A would walk into half the teams in the 'competitive* BPL'}

*Pishy


26.) 03 Jul 2017 22:12:07
If we have turned the lads head then we ought to buy him. It's as simple as that! The only question being how much would they budge down from their asking price which looks unlikely!


27.) 03 Jul 2017 22:15:09
I'm not in anyway looking to condone or excuse Liverpool if they have actually spoken To the player himself without permission but it's surely a very grey area when a club is within its rights to enquire via his agent as to whether a player is interested in joining. The agent will obviously ask the player and then tell the club yes or no.

A club could be "talking" to a player through his agent without ever physically speaking to them yet this isn't tapping up?


28.) 03 Jul 2017 22:41:41
The same easy Italy where Coutinho couldn't get a game for a then mid table Inter Milan?

Ed007 is bang on. The quality of defending in Italy is miles better than England. If you combined every team in the Premier League you could probably just about string a back 4 together as good as Napoli have. You wouldn't get near the level Roma and Juventus have though. Roma just sold Rudiger who will walk into the team at Champions Chelsea, but was Roma's 4th best centre back.

The state of defending in this country is laughable.


29.) 04 Jul 2017 10:17:14
Just so we are clear by the way, Keita looks nothing like Yaya Toure unless his highlights and extended clips are completely deceptive.

They are both African midfielders to be fair, but what else do they have in common?

Keita looks like a really tricky midfield player. Agile, good turn of pace, excellent work rate, very direct, decent at the short quick one touch passing, knicks possession back high up the pitch very well, good vision in behind, and capable of the odd goal or assist. He looks very weak though, and he also seems to chase the ball a bit when sometimes he should hold his position.

Toure is all about power and composure. He takes the ball, shields it from oncomers and sprays it on to start dangerous attacks from deep. Occasionally he will embark on a powerful run but he bulldozes his way through. He is a set piece specialist and long range shooter. Keita looks more like the type to try and get into the box with a quick one-two and is a better finisher one on one with the keeper.

I'd be interested to see that Toure comparison explained because I don't see it remotely. First Kante and now Toure? that's a bit of a difference. Keita to me looks like a better version of Lallana. Bags of energy and technical skill, he just knows how to use it properly and is younger.

The Toure comparison seems lazy to me. How can a 5ft7 attacking midfielder be remotely similar to a 6ft4 playmaker? Not a criticism mate, I just want to hear your logic behind it. If you have seen Keita play live then you are definitely better placed than me to form an opinion than me.


30.) 04 Jul 2017 11:02:06
I have to agree with Bryant that we have the best midfield in the league. In an attacking sense. Defencively we could be stronger and I think that's why kieta is being looked at. I would rather take vvd if it were a choice between the two. Give us both and I will be extremely optimistic.


 

 

 

PutneyRed's banter posts with other poster's replies to PutneyRed's banter posts

 

Does Liverpool Manager Jurgen Klopp have an Achilles' heel?

15 May 2018 23:40:46
{Ed's Note - PutneyRed has posted a new article entitled, Does Liverpool Manager Jurgen Klopp have an Achilles' heel?

PutneyRed

1.) 15 May 2018 23:55:35
The biggest issue is the drop in class between our first XI and bench. Taking off any of the front 3 makes us immediately seem less of a threat regardless of who comes on, I feel that always gives the opposition the mental boost they need to attempt a comeback. The change to 3 at the back is big too, we just need like for like swaps to keep the pressure up it’s fresh legs. Unfortunately due to injuries we haven’t been able to do that most of this season.


2.) 15 May 2018 23:59:09
Completely agree mate. I posted the stats on this subject only a couple of weeks ago. We have conceded 30% of our league goals this season after the 79th minute.

It is the one thing that will hold us back from winning the title. We have to finish games as strong as the first 75 minutes.

Great piece.


3.) 16 May 2018 00:21:38
We had Mignolet in goal and Lovren and Matip as our first team centre half partnership for half the season, additionally injuries and the distraction of the champions league (especially towards the end of the season) hampered our league form. We might be the second best team at the end of the season, but we certainly weren't at the start. When's the last time we finished in the top four in two consecutive seasons? its been a hell of a season. Its one game away from being an incredible one.


4.) 16 May 2018 01:33:10
haha its my klopp hulk design i made years ago.


5.) 16 May 2018 05:08:46
It’s not all about Liverpool, other teams do try to score goals too, particularly when they are behind, it’s called football! How many times have we seen teams sit back when they are ahead and concede goals, it’s one of the main reasons for Chelsea’s problems this season.
The way we are going to improve is not to change how we play it is to get better at what we are currently doing. How many games have City needed to ‘game manage’ this season? Not many because they are usually 3-4 goals ahead.
As for Klopp making the worst subs of the top 6 this season has it occurred to you that perhaps it’s because we have less options off the bench than the other teams, certainly less than City, United and Chelsea. A better quality squad will help us next season.

{Ed025's Note - some good points there smeg..


6.) 16 May 2018 07:12:13
Nail and head smeg!


7.) 16 May 2018 07:27:25
Smeg, it's not just about sitting back, it's about controlling games and there's a body of evidence that it's a problem specific to Klopp. It's not just about our squad either, Spurs, Arsenal, Chelsea and Utd don't have significantly better benches than us but none of them share our negative record with substitutions nor do they drop as many points from winning positions as we do.

My opinion is that we can't maintain Klopp football for 90 minutes and we really struggle when we take our foot off the gas. Klopp needs to find an effective way of playing at only 70% effort.


8.) 16 May 2018 07:29:13
P. s. thanks to the Eds who edit my posts into articles. I really like the new format.

{Ed001's Note - that would be Ed033 mate.}


9.) 16 May 2018 07:55:04
It’s an interesting read putney but I agree with smeg. Man city hardly managed a thing in Europe and few teams bothered to show up against them in pl. klopp could do well to stop putting three at the back in the last few mins but that’s it for me until we have a slightly better bench to call upon. The team of the latter half of this season beats man city. I fully expect us, Chelsea and city to be fighting it out for the title next season.


10.) 16 May 2018 08:02:47
Well said smeg you raise a very good point. At times utd city chelsea have several £30-60m players coming off the bench. At times especially at end of the season we had mostly youth or players only just retuning from long term injuries to come on. Let's hope we have more luck next season with injuries and add 3,4 quality bodies to help out and add that extra quality in depth.


11.) 16 May 2018 08:25:39
I was close to not liking that article due to the negativity but what you say Putney is correct. I know your not bashing the team or Klopp, just stating he needs to change a few things which is right.

No manager is perfect that's for sure but if we want to be the best, we need to iron a few things out and it starts with Klopp. I love Klopp and he's took us far but I want that league, so does he and I think he'll get it right in the next couple of seasons. It all goes on who we sign this summer and we're on the right track with Keita incoming so I'm really optimistic about the direction we're going in.

If you'd of asked me 6 weeks ago I'd of said we'd get 2nd in the league this season, so it was disappointing somewhat having said that I'm just happy we got top 4 but I wanted more. You make great points mate but I'm confident Klopp will sort things out.

Overall I'm delighted with the club in every aspect, things will only improve. Klopp will bring us that title!


12.) 16 May 2018 08:51:35
MK, this was partly inspired by your post, partly by what Klopp said about not knowing how to play for a draw.

Salah, thanks for understanding my motivation. I'll admit I find it more interesting looking at the things we need to improve on rather than pointing out how great we are. I just think there's a big disparity between how well we've played this season and our league final league position. We're a long way from being the finished article and we need to keep getting better.


13.) 16 May 2018 09:55:26
I'm just glad your not one of those 'Klopp out' kind of fellas mate. Right there we got constructive critisism and what your saying is not wrong. As you probably know I'm quite the opposite to you, I'm positive about most things with the club but I don't mind stuff like this. I think some people may be against the article because everybodys on a high right now and some just can't accept the truth.

I'm very positive of the direction we're going but I'm not blind. Klopp does need to learn from his mistakes for us to progress further next season. Personally I believe he will but time will tell mate.

Thanks for the article, keep them coming Putney!


14.) 16 May 2018 10:11:15
I like the way you constructively analyse things Putney. It is not negative to point out the truth. Fact is, we throw away a lot of points late in games or from leading positions. Why we do it is up for debate. Maybe it is the switch to 3 centre backs, maybe it is tired legs from counter pressing, maybe it is no quality on the bench to change things, or maybe it is a mentality thing when players start dropping off subconsciously. Maybe it is a combination of all of those reasons!

I'd accept any of those reasons if they are well thought out arguments. It is simply denial to ignore that we struggle to protect a lead though. If we can rectify it somehow, we will challenge.

Again mate, great post.


15.) 16 May 2018 10:40:08
Aguero was also flagged offside so it would not have counted anyways.

The main reason is squad depth. If we had better players to bring on from the bench then things would be different.

Also a much shakier defence and gk. This seams to have been addressed but we need another cb in there inplace of matip.

So basically somethings wrong with tactics if next season after the expected recruitment and the defensive make up we still fail to mount a decent challenge.


16.) 16 May 2018 13:41:19
I'm with Putney here. And it's not as if Klopp is not aware of the problem because he has alluded to it in post-match press conferences where he has said he was not happy with our "controlling the ball and controlling the game". He has to either find the right players or tweak the tactical strategy to close out games, or both. Going to a back 3 is not the way to do it, as even he must have realized by now. We seem to be far better as a back 4, and he has to re-coach the full backs and instruct the midfield to change from the full thrust offensive football he loves, after a certain winning position is achieved in a game.


17.) 16 May 2018 15:14:07
You are all forgetting the scandalous decisions we’ve had go against us this season in the last minute of games too. Not much you can do when the a ref (or Lino) gives a penalty for their player jumping into yours and going down like a dying swan.


 

 

07 May 2018 09:11:32
Sorry Eds, any chance you could edit this with my last post?

The chances of Chelsea finishing above us is around 11%. Even if they do this Spurs have to finish above us as well. This is not likely but still, by the numbers, is only around 50% as, if they don't win both their final games, we'll likely finish above them. Combine these and the chances of both Chelsea and Spurs finishing above us sits around 5%, or 1 in 20.

Finally, even if that does happen, we can still qualify by winning the final and, of we simplefy that to a straight 50/ 50. Then the chances of us not being in the CL next season sit around 2.5%, or 1 in 40. Even if you argue we're in bag firm and half or chances it's still 1 in 20 that we won't qualify.

I'll go so far as to say I'll leave this site if we don't qualify. I'm that confident.

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - sorry mate I can't do that, it would have to be Ed033 and I am not sure if he is around right now so it might be too late by the time he was able to come along and merge them.}


1.) 07 May 2018 09:50:30
No worries Ed, thanks for looking at it.

If anyone's confused this is the second part to a post which I'd currently on the other page.


2.) 07 May 2018 10:11:09
I'm with you there Putney, I'm confident as well, 100%, we will qualify. We do things the hard way that's all.


3.) 07 May 2018 15:27:48
Math and percentages have absolutely nothing to do with the randomness of the premier league where literally anything and everything unexpected can happen sorry.

I do believe we will qualify for next season though.


4.) 07 May 2018 21:50:39
We will be fine, PR.


 

 

01 May 2018 19:52:57
Hey ed1, a question regarding if it's us and Bayern in the final. Has Klopp's game plan changed much since his Dortmund days? I'm just wondering if German teams would be better equipped to deal with us than Spanish or Italian?

PutneyRed

{Ed001's Note - it has changed a fair bit. It is not the gegenpress any more and he never had a Salah or a Firmino at Dortmund. The tactics have been set up around that front 3 to suit them, whereas his tactics at Dortmund were set up more towards the players he had there. It always evolves season by season.}


1.) 01 May 2018 20:38:00
Cheers for the quick response ed.

{Ed001's Note - very welcome mate.}


 

 

Liverpool FC Review of the Season 30 April 2018

30 Apr 2018 13:13:09
{Ed's Note - PutneyRed has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool FC Review of the Season 30 April 2018

PutneyRed

1.) 30 Apr 2018 13:32:30
Great review of the season Putney. I think next year will be an improvement on this season (League wise) Last year we did well, this year we did better overall, like you say though, it's the draws. We need to turn the draws into wins, if we had of, this season we'd of been right up there.

With a few reinforcements in summer with the team we already have, we'll be laughing next season. We lack quality on the bench, we lack top quality who can cover injuries/ bans etc. This I think will be addressed in the summer. We have Keita incoming who will be an absolutely huge boost to the team, he's top notch. It'll be interesting to see who else we bring in, we're in need of a few quality additions.

Overall I think we're heading in the right direction and overall I'm delighted with how re doing but I know we can do even better, we just need more cover when our top players are out, if we sort that, we'll be the ones in the driving seat.


2.) 30 Apr 2018 13:44:25
Great review putney.
However i do think we should wait til the end of the season. How the players perform in the crucial remaining games is key and a big part of the mentality of the players. The last part of the season is always the most crucial and its about which teams have the experience and mentality and ability to perform which affects the trophies.
We have been caught out before playing well and then fading at the end and i do think its something the team need to learn to do.
Just my opinion.


3.) 30 Apr 2018 13:47:12
Thanks for the article Putney Red. I agree with all of it except that the last few games do matter to how well we have done. These games are still part of the season, we have put ourselves in a position to have a great season we just need to keep our heads and give it 100%. If we finish 4th and make the final it will still have been a better season that anyone predicted at the start. We will make top 4.

In the league we have lots of work to do. The squad is a long way off a title challenge IMO.


4.) 30 Apr 2018 13:58:21
Great review we did start the season with out vvd and had mingnolet in goal so we have improved since then and as you said the bench has no real impact players which will hinder using subs to impact the game maybe we should sign some experianced older player who has quality but not the engine to last a full game to cover the front three for 20 mins.


5.) 30 Apr 2018 14:07:40
Great review Putney
I don’t know who worked in the stats industry he posted a few week back. But I would love to know the stats on subs coming on and improving the out come of the game in any way.


6.) 30 Apr 2018 14:16:27
Well written review mate and I agree with you in principle that we need to see bigger forward strides in the league next year.

However, I completely disagree on judging our season before it is over. If we win the Champions League and finish top 4, it goes without saying that it is our best season since at least 2001, and in my opiniin 1990. As the 2005 win we finished 5th. You could argue a 3 minor cup treble is still impressive though in 2001. For Me, it is the best season since we last won the league though, if we win the CL.

If we don't win it, then it is just another top 4 finish to go with the one last season, the one under Rodgers and the 4 under Rafa.

So for Me, our season is defined by the last few games. That is why they call it the business end. You work all year to put yourself in with a chsnce of success, but nobody remembers the team who came second. We either win the CL and make history, or we faulted and it is bog standard season. The reality is, our remaining 4 games make or break the season.

I do respect your ability to detach emotion and assess the season from a higher perspective thougj. It has long been why you are one of my favourite posters. It is a very rare trait and you're the only poster on here who displays it consistently.

If we finish top 4 again though, for me that is an improvement in the league. My reasoning is that last season we finished on 76 points despite our whole focus being on the League. This season, it is fair to say we have dropped points we otherwise wouldn't have necessarily dropped because we've rested players for the Champions League.

The last time we were in the Champions league, we went out at the group stage and finished mid table. It is very hard to balance. How hard? Look at Conte at Chelsea. Won the league when he had no need to rotate and balance priorities. He has floundered horribly this year though and their form has only really picked up since Barcelona knocked them out. So Klopp has done a great job to take on the CL games and not let it affect our league position.

Lastly I refute that lack of goals against packed defences is the main problem linked to the draws.

We've only failed to score on 8 occasions this season. Porto when it was a dead rubber and we played fires 0-0. Leicester in the Cup when we played the reserves and lost 2-0. Stoke the other day where we clearly weren't interested in a league game and drew 0-0. City when we were thumped 5-0 with 10 men. And then there are 4 examples where we failed to break down a deep defence in a game we tried to win; United 0-0, Baggies 0-0, Everton 0-0 and Swansea 1-0 loss.

8 out of 52 games is not really an issue for me. Especially considering we only lost 3 of those games and there is a reason behind half of them that should be considered.

For Me, the issue is still conceding too many goals. And the new issue is Klopp needs to get the players to not let a big European game distract them from an important league game. Of our 16 draws, only 5 have been 0-0. So we can't ignore the 11 draws were we threw away a win by conceding. That is a bigger issue in my view! 3-3 with Watford, 3-3 with Arsenal, 3-3 with Sevilla, 2-2 with Sevilla, 1-1 with Spartak, 2-2, 2-2 with Spurs, with West Brom, 1-1 with Chelsea, 1-1 with Everton, 1-1 with Burnley just off the top of my head are all games we were comfortable in and then threw away a cheap goal or three!

That is the problem for me. Even in some Victories we have done the same and conceded after getting sloppy. 2 late goals conceded in a 4-3 win against City, 5-2 against Roma etc.

The I would love to know how many goals we have conceded in the last 30 minutes compared to the first 60. I don't know why the players stop playing. It is embarrassing at times.


7.) 30 Apr 2018 14:27:07
Lovely read Putney, only thing i disagree with is your downplaying of how the cup has affected the league performance. Of course nothing in life is guaranteed, but we dropped 6 points in the second half of the season resting people for the CL - points that would have left us a point ahead of United in second (having played one more) and sitting entirely comfortable in the CL spots. Our thin squad is a great point but it does explain one of the more (rightfully) negative aspects a bit more than I think you credited.

Thanks for entertaining during my lunch break!


8.) 30 Apr 2018 14:32:49
I looked it up and Liverpool have conceded 11 goals out of 37 (league games only) after the 77th minute. So 30% of our goals conceded have come in the last 14% of the match. That is really poor!

My suspicions are backed up by the track record it seems. Late goals conceded have cost us so many points this season. Focus is so critical.

This doesn't even include the Arsenal game where we threw away 3 goals between 50-60 minutes having been 2-0 up. The discipline has to improve. Is it Klopp putting on a centre back for a striker like clockwork? Or is it the players dropping off the press? Whatever it is, we invite pressure late on and it costs us more results than any other concern we have!


9.) 30 Apr 2018 15:35:13
Interesting that MK. Defending midfielder needed as a sub then.


10.) 30 Apr 2018 15:44:37
Hi all, thanks for your feedback, I get the confusion of me judging the season before it's over, I just don't think whether our season was good or bad should be based on one game.

Longthing, I actually did a post on substitutes a few weeks ago, I won't go into the detail but in summary Klopp is the only manager of the big six clubs who, more often than not, makes things worse with his substitutes.

MK, it's a valid point that we've achieved the same as last season with a much busier schedule, that does suggest an improvement but that's the test. Can we play 60 games a year and still be competitive? We've got a ways to go yet to compete with City.


11.) 30 Apr 2018 16:08:36
Definitely Putney. Plenty of room for improvement. Though as you say, Van Dijk seems to have improved the defensive record overall. Most of our major capitulation also occurred with Mignolet or Moreno involved too.


12.) 01 May 2018 23:43:34
Watford away, offside goal in the last minute. Everton at home dodgy pen given in the last few minutes. Spurs at home VERY dodgy pen given in the last minute. Stoke at home BLATANT pen denied in the last 5 minutes.
There’s 4 draws that should’ve been wins and we are 8 points better off and 2nd. That’s how much refs have cost us this season.
I can’t think of one game we’ve won thanks to a poor decision going our way. Stoke away perhaps when Migs should’ve been sent off? But we might have won that game anyway as it was in the first half at 0-0.
It’s not as bad as the stats suggest we’ve been absolutely mugged by the officials this season.


 

 

26 Apr 2018 10:04:49
There's one thing I don't think anyone mentioned about Tuesday which I'd like to highlight. Everyone knows what Salah does, he's most dangerous when he's on the right side of the area, takes a touch to create a yard of space and curls the ball into the far corner with his left foot. His first goal was the perfect example of it. There nothing complicated about it so why is it so hard to stop? For the first goal the defender didn't get close enough to block it, shouldn't he just closed down the space he knew Salah was going to move to?

The answer to why you can't get that close was highlighted by Firmino's first goal. Once again Salah had the ball on the right of the area. This time the defender closed down his left foot. Salah's response? To cut inside the defender onto his right to square it for Bobby.

There nothing complicated about what Salah does but it's simple football played perfectly and no one can get near him.

PutneyRed

1.) 26 Apr 2018 10:37:36
Can't underestimate the influence of firmino and mane as Well, the runs they make give salah options which makes it so hard to defend against. Wijinaldum made some great late runs on Tuesday as Well, defenders don't know when to press or sit off. Our quality of football atm is superb when we are at our best!


2.) 26 Apr 2018 10:40:30
Putney, I do enjoy your posts, this is an excellent critique.

If you are still in Putney, do you know the Bricklayers Arms in Waterman Street?


3.) 26 Apr 2018 10:52:51
First two posts are spot on.
Once Salah is in the penalty area he is near on unplayable as he has the ability to go either way
The runs and space Mane and Firmino make are so unjustified at times.
I call it the flick of birds, once one goes they all do.
If Mane or Salah make a run, Firmino and the other side player anticipate a shot on target or to be found in the box.

Same as the defenders, if Mane runs down the area to the left as we play forward, automatically the centre back will pull over to cover the space after the right back, in turn the other centre back will then come in to pick up the space Firmino will find and the left back will close the gap to the the second Centre back. With the pace that we attack there caught of position and can’t recover.

It is quality football.


4.) 26 Apr 2018 11:20:57
Salah can, and often does, cut inside as well as going for the far corner curler. Because of his ability to do this, and do this with absolute lightning pace, it makes it very difficult for defenders to predict his movements and intentions. They will sometimes read it, but Salah is a clever player, and he will try to keep opposition guessing, and due to his pace and touch etc etc he is simply very difficult to stop.

As others have mentioned the movement, vision, pace and threat from others really means defenders cannot just double up on Salah as it will leave glaring spaces for the others. The big key is runners from midfield, they can help swarm and distract the opposition and create space for our front 3 - Wijinaldum did this to devastating effect against Roma - he needs to do it more often.


5.) 26 Apr 2018 11:51:53
I think my favourite part of the three is when we're in trouble, a long ball over the top is so easy, if it's good mane or Salah will get there. If the defender wins the header they are strong enough to not make it easy and most of the time, guess whose there to pick up the loose ball, Bobby! He's also strong and has the knack of playing it at the right time, so he is effectively running at the back four with Salah and mane ahead of him, and again their runs are so good it's hard to stop.


6.) 26 Apr 2018 12:13:47
Kinda like Arjen Robben, everyone knows he wants to cut in to shoot with his left foot and yet nobody seems to know how to deal with him.


7.) 26 Apr 2018 13:14:27
Ritters, I could almost fall out of my window into its beer garden. Lovely little pub.


8.) 26 Apr 2018 13:46:11
Salah is easy to stop, that's the reality. The problem is, the way to stop him is to put three players on him so he 1) can't cut left, b) can't just run past you and c) can't fool you by cutting right and sending in the low cross. You'll stop him 90% of the time if you do.

Of course, if you put 3 players on him you've already sacrificed your hopes of scoring because at least one of those 3 needs to be a midfielder, so you'll be light in the midfield and drop your attackers in to cover that gap. And as the other two will probably be defenders, you've also left Firmino and Mane 1vs1 with your remaining defense. So well done for stopping Salah, but you're still going to concede several times!

In other words, he's so hard to stop because football is a team sport and his team are so leathal that no-one can afford to give him the focus required to stop him.


9.) 26 Apr 2018 14:21:28
Knowing what a player is going to do and having the ability to stop it are two different things.

Sometimes a player is that good you just can't stop them. Messi has been doing it for nearly 10 yrs and luckily for us Salah is getting to level - he's just too good for them!


10.) 26 Apr 2018 15:46:00
I play 5 a side and there is a very good player that we play against who scores for fun, he has trouble with his weight but otherwise I think he’d be pro and trust me, I know exactly what he’s going to do every time but stopping him doing it is all down to speed of thought and coordination, he’s simply faster than most. Salah is the fastest on the planet, along with Messi.


11.) 26 Apr 2018 18:45:25
All top posts, lads. One more thing I would add is practice, repetition and all the work done on the training field. Let's be very clear. Our front 3 (and LFC as a whole) make scoring goals look so damn easy, it's astonishing. I mean, we are not playing against schoolboys' clubs or a bunch of mugs in the PL and CL. We are going against the very best footballers the world has to offer at the highest level and making them look like complete mugs. Imaging, we put 5 past a team in the CL semi final. THE CL SEMI FINAL. And we made it look easy.

IMO, the reason why it looks easy is due to all the work done on the training pitch. The story is that Klopp's training sessions are quite intense in all phases and every detail is not left untouched. As for Salah, he is able to do that move that brought the first goal cos well, he prolly practices that same move countless times during the week. In the NFL, they say "You practice it so much that you can no longer get it wrong". That is what we are seeing here, IMO. In fact, I saw a youtube video where during the warm-up before the game, he was practising that same shot one of which hit underneath the upright. I wonder what happened when he hit that same shot during the game?


12.) 27 Apr 2018 03:02:33
Agreed BRover. Watching the replay of Salah's first goal, I noticed that not once did he actually look at the goal before he made the shot to avoid telegraphing his intention, which made it much harder for the defender and goalkeeper to predict his next move. So basically, he managed to hit top corner with just his peripheral vision, which is amazing and could only have been done with a lot of hard work on the training ground.

His second goal also looked so easy, but effectively was the product of a run and through pass timed to perfection. He had faked to go to the right of the defender's shoulder, and once the defender adjusted slightly thinking to cut him off, Salah blindsided him and cut in centrally, and with his speed there was no catching him. Firmino also timed his release of the ball perfectly. Such a joy to watch it again and again.


13.) 27 Apr 2018 08:53:37
Spot on, Heroin. You got my drift. Salah and Bobbie have prolly practiced that same move a thousand times hence they both knew waht to do. Also, you are right that Salah did not even look when he took the shot cos well, he has practiced that move over and over again, it's almost second nature cos that is not the only game he has scored like that. He did the same thing vs Saints and Neverton as well. Like I said, "You practice it so much, to the point that you can no longer get it wrong". That is what we are witnessing here.


 

 

 

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Could it possibly be that Trapp is considered a better keeper than Karius? You'd be hard pressed to find a non-liverpool fan who rates him highly.

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23 Apr 2018 12:37:03
With Stoke almost certainly going down Butland will want to move but, right now, he'd be coming here as no 2.

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13 Apr 2018 07:10:28
It's funny how things change, with Can leaving and Wiji's form now in question Milner is likely to be our fourth midfielder (or fifth if we bring in a midfielder beyond Keita) . I like it when a player forces his way into contention though good form and hard work.

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If Grujic can prove himself there is a place for him in the squad next season, we need a back up to Hendo and, with Can leaving, there's no suitable alternative at the club. However I think that Klopp doesn't trust him and will bring in someone else for that rule with Grujic going on another loan or being sold.

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If Grujic can prove himself there is a place for him in the squad next season, we need a back up to Hendo and, with Can leaving, there's no suitable alternative at the club. However I think that Klopp doesn't trust him and will bring in someone else for that rule with Grujic going on another loan or being sold.

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22 May 2018 16:46:37
Zspecial, whilst I admire your commitment to Milner you're clearly drunk right now.

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22 May 2018 09:43:10
Funnily enough I've been tinkering with a post about the same subject. I think our target should be 90 points next season, that may not be enough for the title but I think it's the highest that's realistically possible.

28 wins and 6 draws would do it, we only won 21 this year so a big improvement is necessary. We were ahead in 28 games though so with a few improvements its not impossible.

I don't think City will match this season again, what they achieved was incredible but, as you say, few clubs have ever reached such highs two years in a row. If they are a bit more human then we have to be there to take advantage and 90 points would do that.

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Love you Harry, always appreciate someone with a unique point of view. Ron needs a mention as well, always level headed and only wades in when an important point needs to be made.

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I seem to remember Riise's wage slip got leaked a few years ago, it was monthly.

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17 May 2018 11:52:13
MK, Pickford is is the driving seat at the moment, I expect him to start barring him having a mare in the friendlies. Jones may start ahead of Maguire as he's the better defender and I think Lingard will be on the bench, probably behind Dier.

It's a shame about Lingard as he deserves a chance but I don't see him starting alongside Alli and Sterling, we'll only start with two of those three on the pitch.

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