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24 Apr 2019 18:19:11
Matip getting a new deal?
that would be a very brave one from Klopp if true.

Johncrow Junior

1.) 24 Apr 2019 19:05:46
I don't see why, honestly don't know why he gets half the stick he does. He's perfect for what he is, a back up centre half to the main pairing which, when Gomez is fit is Joe and Virgil. I also think we as Liverpool fans compare our other centre halves to Van Dijk now which is unfair as he's the best defender i've ever seen in the Premier League. Matip would comfortably get into the likes of Man U's and Arsenals first 11's and he's never kicked off when out of the side. Obviously we'd all like a De Ligt or a Alderweireld buts its very hard and unrealistic to expect to have four world class centre halves at 1 club.

2.) 24 Apr 2019 19:15:23
Not old ”give them a new deal just prior to punting them around” scam?

I like the kid but wouldn't be confident starting a season with him as 3rd choice CB behind JG and VVD.

3.) 24 Apr 2019 19:22:48
agreed little naby. can't have 4 1st choice CBs and Matip has done a job for us no doubt.

4.) 24 Apr 2019 19:32:55
Unnecessary hate, on the verge of trolling. We are on our biggest winning streak since Klopp took over and he’s started every game bar one. The Hendo bashers obviously have a new target. I agree he’s better than any of united and Arsenal’s defenders. Definitely an excellent third choice cb.

5.) 24 Apr 2019 20:02:20
Lerchy, I'm a HUGE Hendo lover and I think Matip is not good enuff for us long term.

6.) 24 Apr 2019 21:29:18
But he hasn’t put a foot wrong since January? Who would you replace him with? Realistically not fm.

7.) 24 Apr 2019 22:06:08
I don’t rate Matip and believe he is someone we can improve upon.

Where are the fantastic centre backs who will be 3rd choice? I doubt they’re out there and it is responsible to protect the squad in this way.

8.) 24 Apr 2019 22:44:11
Well said Ron.

9.) 24 Apr 2019 23:06:46
Matip is 3rd choice at centre half, and yes, he is not good enough for the 1st team, but I am happy enough for him to be a back up,
its Lovren who needs replacing, cos the man just can't stay fit, its a long hard season, and we don't need passengers if we want to stay as a top side,
we def need to keep on adding one or two class players, this will keep us at the top .

10.) 24 Apr 2019 23:12:50
he's perfect for us. unless he wanta to leavto be a regular starter then ok fair enough. but other than that as 3rd or 4th choice, he is experienced and steady enough.

11.) 24 Apr 2019 23:18:01
There are not many great centre backs in football anyway, Joel Matip has been a great back up in my opinion. As Ron said there are no fantastic centre backs happy to be third choice.
Even if Liverpool bought a so called top centre back, where would that leave Gomez.
Matip is not as terrible as he is made out and gets too much stick here. He has definitely made a positive contribution to the team so maybe he deserves a new contract as a backup defender.

12.) 24 Apr 2019 23:39:06
Ron, I rate Matip higher than you do but I agree 100% with the rest of your post. Well said.

13.) 24 Apr 2019 23:58:11
Maybe not longterm Redwolf but even having him as backup allows Jana-Hoever to learn his trade as back up to Trent at rightfull until he moves inside. What does it say to him if we keep buying big names to block his path because this kid could be our very own De Ligt. At the end of the day we have two world class centre halfs and two top end defenders in reserve. Show me a team in this league that's better stocked at centre half.

14.) 25 Apr 2019 01:51:01
Lerchy you say he hasn't put a foot wrong since January? How do you come up with that assessment? He's been exposed in the majority of matches. he so often gets dragged out of position and commits to challenge unnecessary tackles. If he gets a foot in everybody cheers and claps, but most of the time he shouldn't even be putting himself in scenarios,! You don't see virgil sprinting out to wide areas 50 yards from goal with little threat on just to make an unnecessary tackle, he often needlessly risks us being left wide open when he should focus on maintaining shape. You can see VVDs frustration with him many times during games.

15.) 25 Apr 2019 07:50:56
No axe to grind with Matip and believe he's a better backup than Lovren, but I really think Gomez needs to be back in the team asap as I think he'll be a better bet for these last 5/ 6 games we're about to play!

16.) 25 Apr 2019 07:56:02
All these experts who want Matip gone - are you really a better judge of player than Klopp?

17.) 25 Apr 2019 08:06:46
FlashTheRed. Not at all, just stating my personal opinion of him through watching him play. I don't have an axe to grind with him for no reason, he's just the one player who I really don't rate. And your point with klopp has no basis anywat. When all CB were fully fit and available he was the 4th choice clearly.

I just don't rate him personally, and I hate having to criticise any of our boys.

18.) 25 Apr 2019 09:57:43
If Matip is meant to be fourth choice then he is way ahead of Klavan before him, and marginally behind Lovren, if at all.

19.) 25 Apr 2019 10:05:11
Matip was getting brickbats in the first half of the season because he was clearly playing poorly. His second half has been a clear improvement, and as good as the first year he joined. So it's all relative to player form and performance, as it should be.

20.) 25 Apr 2019 13:15:32
I think he's a decent choice for a 3rd or 4th choice defender for Liverpool, but as I keep saying any time this topic arises, our 3rd and 4th choice CBs (in most people's eyes) are earning over £200k a week in total, and that's not sustainable, especially when you consider that big Virg will no doubt be after a rise, and Joe's wages are only going to go up as soon as he cements himself as a first choice.

Fair play to Matip, he's played his part in our fantastic season more than Lovren has, which probably puts him as 3rd choice, it's just the financials that I have an issue with.

21.) 25 Apr 2019 14:07:56
I think right now, going by improvement shown and fitness consistency, I'd be more inclined to let Lovren go and maybe get a younger CB (not world class, but decent) to compete with Matip for 3rd and 4th place.

Joe and Virgil are our clear top pairing. Someone who can compete with Matip (and potentially improve
a little) would be good. Lovren earns a big wage which might be a bit too much now for a 4th choice CB that's injured quite a bit.

I mean, he did well with Croatia and LFC getting to the WC and CL finals, but it might be time for him to move on now for his own good too if he's dropped to 4th choice.

22.) 25 Apr 2019 14:24:24
Matip's done great these past few weeks, Klopp got him for nothing and obviously rates him.

I'd rather we ca$hed in on World Cup Finalist Lovren and spent that money on a tried and tested as backup to Gomez and Matip (if we can find one) or promote one of the yutes. Looks like you can put anyone next to VVD and he'll play well.

Gotta trust in Klopp, Shirley?

23.) 25 Apr 2019 15:06:21
By far the biggest issue I have with Matip is he’s a big lad, very tall, but he seems scared of the ball in the air. He loses far too many challenges in the air but also, if a ball is going over the top, he let's it bounce behind him!
That is the number 1 cardinal sin for a central defender. Never, ever, EVER let the ball bounce behind you! Matip must have missed that basic principle. It’s easily rectified and to be fair it’s a good few months since I’ve seen him do it, but it used to happen almost every game.
Other than that infuriating trait, he’s as good a back up as we’ve had for a while and it makes sense to keep him around 👍.

24.) 25 Apr 2019 17:31:41
Look im not a big fan of matip personally, but he's wearing our red liverbird upon his chest and I'l always support and back him when he does so and he does try his best but his ability is limited and it frustrates me that some overlook his match performances as a whole. He's a very weak link and has got away with a lot of incidents which could easily have had many fans calling for his head.

I know this is ifs and buts. but in about 4 weeks there were 4 clear incidents which he was very fortunate to get away with. Against United the offside flag saved his blushes as he swiped a clearance with his wrong leg into our goal. It was correctly offside but matip didn't know that and defended the situation poorly.
In the same week he attempted the exact same clearance with his wrong leg against bayern. The ball hit Allison's chest fortunately, no one spoke of this ever again, he was at fault vs Southampton goal then.
Against spurs his rash decision to lunge desperately at Kane on halfway line directly led to sissoko going 1v1. If he slots that in which he should then the title dream was probably vanished then.

Now I'm not bashing the guy completely I'm just pointing out moments which could have cost us dearly, they haven't though so he's been excused from criticism. He has performed slightly better lately but is always vulnerable in any moment. It's also clear to see how Trent has struggled much more with matip beside him. I know it's all ifs and buts. but he does make many errors which go unnoticed by many. If we win silverware this season he's earned his medals and has played his part but if we want a CB who may need to slot in for months at a time in the future then I feel matip needs upgrading. Feels harsh saying this as we're in a purple patch but the fact remains he is 8 or 9 times out of ten our weakest performer and most vulnerable.

Just clarifying I'm not bashing the fella, he's just not the standard of defender we should settle for as competition in a world class defence.

25.) 25 Apr 2019 17:21:43
Isn't it time Masterson stepped up 20yrs old now.

Oh and don't call me Shirley.

Was that airplane or naked gun?

26.) 25 Apr 2019 17:26:26
This move surprised me, because I expected Lovren to be cover to Virgil and Gomez next season. I'm fine with Matip though. Like a backup QB in the NFL, the plan isn't to go into the season with him as your primary option, but you also don't want your season derailed because he has to play for a stretch of games because someone is injured. I like Lovren more, but it may be a better use of resources to sell Lovren (and his contract) and go with Matip. Lovren is too good to sit in long stretches too, so maybe it's just time to move on so he can go get more playing time elsewhere.

27.) 25 Apr 2019 18:29:18
He hasn't been offered a contract yet and there has just been a mention of talks opening. He may well have the ambition to ask for playing guarantees (a beast that the Eds have said is a key element of a players contract nowadays) and I can't imagine a huge financial increase so he may look for sureties elsewhere and turn down a bit part role.

28.) 25 Apr 2019 23:33:00
If im not mistaken we have conceded just 20 Goals this season, less than any other team in the PL. Some of you need to get a grip. Matip has been a part of that and if you look at the stats when he has played I think you will all find that he is a valuable member of the squad not on a huge wage either and bought for peanuts. As a player that will never be first choice he is more valuable than you think.

29.) 26 Apr 2019 13:23:25
I'm pretty sure he is on a huge wage.

30.) 26 Apr 2019 13:31:03
I doubt any of our centre backs will look to leave this summer, realistically its their best chance of a prem title, assuming we don't win it this year.

31.) 26 Apr 2019 18:19:17
I'd assume the contract talks will involve a pay cut. You have to remember that he's on higher wages than normal due to him being signed on a free.



06 Aug 2018 13:25:08
Just wanted to know if any of the eds had the latest info regarding clyne
Surely he can't be staying here for another season but if he is I will support him as per usual but really hope he gets a move somewhere else as he really hurts us attacking wise when he plays.
Decent enough player but I think our style of play and tactics don't suit his strengths.

Johncrow Junior

{Ed001's Note - there has been little interest in him due to his injuries last season.}

1.) 06 Aug 2018 13:49:23
A bit late now to get a good right back in, I don't see him going anywhere. As poor as he is offensively, he's pretty good defensively and we need that more than his attacking attributes.

2.) 06 Aug 2018 14:19:37
personally I see Clyne as 2nd choice RB this season with Gomez being an option for CB. Matip will likely spend a lot of time injured so I reckon they'll be enough games for Gomez at CB and Clyne is decent enough to play a few cup games at RB.

3.) 06 Aug 2018 18:28:19
I agree, I don’t think he’s that bad as a second choice, as long as his hearts in it. Worst comes to worst and he plays a few games, he’s experienced and hopefully can hold his own defencively.

4.) 06 Aug 2018 19:23:37
There's been nothing wrong with him defensively so far, just his fitness. If is heart isn't in it, he won't get game time. Simple as.

5.) 06 Aug 2018 21:40:34
I don’t think he’s good enough as a back up RB, Trent is still young and will need to be rested now and again, that means your going to need to have to rely on Clyne for several games a season, I don’t think I have ever seen him have a good game for us, he would be the weak link and opponents will exploit that.

6.) 06 Aug 2018 22:24:14
Exactly mikey, he's not good enough for this level of football, or even close imo. Defensively he is terrible, Trent is a young lad and is already 10 x the player Clyne is. I'd put Fabinho, Milner or Gomex before Clyne.

7.) 06 Aug 2018 22:34:03
To say Clyne has never had a good game for us is rubbish. Yes there are better attacking full backs out there but I believe he has a big part to play this season. Trent has made the position his own but there
Aren’t many right backs out there better as a back up.

If u think there are then name them. The likes of Walker and Valencia are hugely overrated. Azpilaqeta (excuse spelling) is prob the best about but no chance of getting him.

At the end of the day we need squad players as well as starters to be successful, they can’t all be world beaters.

8.) 06 Aug 2018 23:21:37
You can easily name several better right backs from Liverpool alone.

9.) 07 Aug 2018 06:04:49
I like Clyne. Between him and Trent we have RB sorted.

10.) 07 Aug 2018 06:45:53
Go ahead then Mikey. and remember, Fabinio wAs bought as a midfielder, Milner has proven himself in midfield and only played left back for one season due to necessity.

TAA and Gomez who will spend more time at centre back this year.


11.) 07 Aug 2018 07:34:27
if Clyne plays a bad game, we’ll just have to score more goals 🤔.

12.) 07 Aug 2018 08:11:14
How long has Clyne been here now? And Klopp too?
If Klopp thought Clyne wasn't up to the job, he'd be gone.
Ask Balotelli.

13.) 07 Aug 2018 08:21:45
Problem is FTR who would want Clyne? that's why we're stuck with him mate lol.

14.) 07 Aug 2018 10:09:12
Try saying we're stuck with him if Trent Arnold gets injured or suspended.

15.) 07 Aug 2018 11:39:13
I will do mate because he still won't get a game, Milner or Gomez will be before him maybe even Fabinho.

16.) 07 Aug 2018 12:56:44
Don't see that happening at all. Clyne still has a role to play this season, he'll play more at right back than any other player except TTA. Providing he's not injured of course.

17.) 08 Aug 2018 04:13:00
Clyne and Camacho have played at RB. I don't think the other players will play there. Gomez hasn't been used much there lately so I think Klopp has moved him to his favoured CB position.

TAA and Clyne as second choice. That's the RB position for this season in my view according to preseason. Klopp has been playing everyone where he'll use them during the season I believe.



27 Jun 2018 17:35:52
Bobby Duncan signed for 200k
Gerrards cousin I think.

Johncrow Junior

1.) 27 Jun 2018 18:08:29
Welcome to Liverpool lad. Anybody actually seen him play, if so any good?

2.) 27 Jun 2018 18:14:39
He's 17.

3.) 27 Jun 2018 20:57:57
Only seen highlights of one game against Liverpools kids, Salah. He scored but it was as much bad goal keeping as a great finish. Don't remember anything else as it was over a year ago.

4.) 27 Jun 2018 21:14:50
Did he play for man city.

5.) 27 Jun 2018 21:23:13
Remember the last left footed striker from Liverpool a one Robbie Fowler a. k. a god, step forward bobby Duncan maybe an omen, I hope so!

6.) 27 Jun 2018 21:28:33
Folks calm down he's 17.

7.) 27 Jun 2018 22:23:47
Hahahaha I am just playing he is a kid with a lot too prove and his whole career in front of him, you don't get called god for nothing and Fowler stepped immediately up too the plate, if the talent is there lucky us and hopefully he fulfills his potential.

8.) 28 Jun 2018 11:58:49
He’s got big boots to fill for being the next bobby in Liverpool.

9.) 28 Jun 2018 16:17:09
Only English player to score a hat trick against Brazil at any level. At U17 level I believe.

10.) 28 Jun 2018 16:32:42
Bobby played in the same school team as my lad. He’s a fantastic finisher, who can score any type of goal.

Saw him last year or so for City against Cackpool (Blackpool) and he’s motivated solely by scoring goals, which is an obvious must for a striker!

Reminds me a little of Aguero, similar stature, huge thighs and truly deadly if you give him a chance!

Going forward, I don’t know if he suits our current way of playing, but I guess it’s up to him.

Hope he forces his way through!

11.) 28 Jun 2018 18:06:05
We should have signed Ricky Bobby instead

‘If you ain’t first, you’re last! ’.

12.) 30 Jun 2018 14:06:10
“Bobby Duncan signed for 200k
Gerrards cousin I think”

Seems consistent. They both went for 2 first names instead of a proper surname 🙄.



28 May 2018 23:30:41
I know we have been linked very hard with Fekir but a little birdy tells me it is Malcolm we really want
not sure how this will turn out but it is malcolm more then Fekir according to the little birdy
just passing it on lads.

Johncrow Junior

{Ed0333's Note - over to Ed’s 002

1.) 28 May 2018 23:42:04
Malcolm is a talented player.

2.) 29 May 2018 03:45:08
Malcom is a winger, Fekir a CAM. It will be both if Malcom is the winger Klopp wants, not one of the two.
The UCl final was a clear indication we need another wide player in case Salah or Mane cannot play and Fekir is a CAM that will bring more creativity to our workmanlike midfield.
Fabinho, Keita and Fekir! BOOM! Bet Harry will be the happiest LFC fan alive if that happens.

3.) 29 May 2018 05:34:27
Wait so what's going to happen to Hender (backpass) en, Mil (not that boring) ner and Gini?

4.) 29 May 2018 06:12:07
Regardless if any wife player coming in, if Fekir does come it would signal to me Klopp switching to a very attacking 4231 starting formation next year, with Fekir behind Bobby. This would leave Fabinho, Hendo, Wiji, Milner, Ox, Lallana and Keita vying for the remaining midfield positions, although Ox and Lallana could be cover/ rotation for Fekir I suppose. All opinion and guess work of course, but if true I would imagine at least 2 will leave.

5.) 29 May 2018 06:55:42
I hope we haven’t resorted to signing wives now 😲.

6.) 29 May 2018 07:20:45
I'd prefer to see Malcolm in the Middle :)

{Ed025's Note - love it burkey..

7.) 29 May 2018 08:00:14
Speaking of wives. turns out, Fabinho's wife was the only ITK posting hints of their future over the weekend. There's a picture of her supporting Liverpool on Saturday night, doing the rounds ;)

8.) 29 May 2018 08:49:10
Thanks for the info Johncrow.

9.) 29 May 2018 09:18:50
you welcome Salah mate
it may turn out to be crap but thought I would share
albeit now Lemar seems to have come back into the frame as well according to Lequipe
So my little birdy looks like he may have given me duff info lol.

10.) 29 May 2018 12:50:19
Well for now we know we are looking for a coutinho replacement (Fekir, Lemar), cover wide (Dembele, Malcom, Lemar, Pulisic), Goalkeeper Cover (Navas, Butland) or First choice (Alisson) and Centerbacks cover (Tarkowski) .



15 May 2018 20:42:23
What a disgrace that Germany can call up Kevin trapp for their world cup squad who has played only 4 league games for them all season and leave out Karius
wow im in disbelief, go and win the champions league son and stick it to them.

Johncrow Junior

{Ed025's Note - wait till brover hears that he will be gutted..

1.) 15 May 2018 20:51:03
It's a disgrace? Really?

2.) 15 May 2018 21:11:56
'go and win the champions league son and stick it to them. '

Exactly mate. He'll be the one laughing in the end WHEN we win that CL.

3.) 15 May 2018 23:39:15
Karius, Van Dijk, Lovren, Robertson and Matip won't be at the WC. I might be a bit selfish here but that gives the bulk of our defence at least 2 weeks more time pre season. Milner Winjaldum and Keita also getting a full pre season I'm not complaining could be a blessing.

4.) 15 May 2018 23:23:20
Ha ha ha Ed025 😂😂😂😂. The German buffoon “Karius” misses out. Conspiracy 😂😂😂.

5.) 16 May 2018 07:08:31
Is it a disgrace? He’s only reallly played 6 months of proper football this year and 10 games the season before that.

If you’re not first choice GK for world cups then any other call up is essentially anonymous shy of injuries.

6.) 16 May 2018 07:54:36
Surely neither were likely to play or even go in the final squad, you normally take three and neuer and ter Stegen will be first choice. Leno will be third and likely not even play.

7.) 16 May 2018 09:22:24
on the flip side any player not going to the world cup gets a proper rest over the summer and can come back earlier to pre season refreshed rather than burnt out like we have seen a number of players in previous seasons.

8.) 16 May 2018 09:26:08
I'm surprised either was chosen, but if I was choosing one then it would certainly be Karius over Trapp.

9.) 16 May 2018 09:31:27
Could it possibly be that Trapp is considered a better keeper than Karius? You'd be hard pressed to find a non-liverpool fan who rates him highly.

10.) 16 May 2018 10:31:02
Bit of perspective. Karius has played 2 thirds of a season and has been reasonably solid. Doesn’t make him an automatic World Cup selection. When it comes to World Cup squads the Germans know what they’re doing.

11.) 16 May 2018 11:12:41
Don't know why people keep knocking Karius. His record of clean sheets against games played is as good as De Gea. 10 in 19 games played against 18 in 37 games played for De Gea

Karious averages 1.55 goals conceded per game and De Gea 1.33.

12.) 16 May 2018 12:10:07
i would put clean sheets down to Vvd more than karius. he punched stoke player in head and pushed the ball to dzeko. how many MOM has he had. performance more important than goals conceded. he's a 7 at best. de gea is a 9 on an off day. We need a 9 Gk or another world class Cb to deal with his flapping.

13.) 16 May 2018 12:23:59
I'm not knocking him at all and have faith he can be our no1 and continue to improve. i just don't think it's outrageous trapp has been chosen over him.

anyone outraged by that has red tinted specs on, sorry.

14.) 16 May 2018 12:51:40
No one said it was outrageous that he wasnt picked. It was that he wasnt picked and that a keeper (in fact two keepers but Neuer is more understandable who has basically not played this season was picked while he wasnt.

15.) 16 May 2018 13:17:38
thank you hjikle for understanding the point i was making about Trapp.

16.) 16 May 2018 15:17:13
Trapp is a poor keeper by any standard, how he got in ahead of Karius who has been playing actual football is amazing, but he will come back fresh after no extra football so a win for us.

17.) 16 May 2018 15:53:18
You are right hjikle no one said it was outrageous that Trapp was picked over Karius, the OP said that it was a disgrace. I can think of many things that are a disgrace but that is not one of them!

18.) 16 May 2018 16:46:25
Comparing stats Karius against De Gea? Come on, even the most blinded LFC fan wouldn't think Karius is in the same league as De Gea, Stats can really contort views of players.

19.) 16 May 2018 17:08:40
Definitely agree Karius could be a top keeper if he keeps improving like the second half of the season. I think his decisiveness has been his weaker area and no surprise with influence in Migs. VVD seems to have had a really good influence on Karius collecting the ball and when not to. But credit to the lad for taking the pressure of past performances and turning it around. Also, maybe taking Karius to the world up is too soon though, one slip up could imbalance his confidence and impact his performance in the next season, seeing as his confidence is only built of late.

20.) 16 May 2018 17:42:40
“even the most blinded LFC fan wouldn't think Karius is in the same league as De Gea“

I thought they were both in the premier league 😉.

21.) 16 May 2018 17:57:15
Boom boom Ron.
In all seriousness tho, maybe Karius just isn't rated by others as highly as some Liverpool fans rate him. It doesn't surprise me he didn't make it.

22.) 16 May 2018 18:27:05
I think you're after "distort", Lancaster Red ;-)

23.) 16 May 2018 20:03:09
Sorry but I still don't think Karius is anywhere near good enough for us. He has improved but I think that is more to do with the improved defence in front of him.

24.) 17 May 2018 07:34:20
'I still don't think Karius is anywhere near good enough for us'

Nah he's not is he mate, he's only part of the team who are in the CL final, but nah not good enough for us is he. Come off it, he's a decent keeper and still very young for a keeper. From what we've seen of him how you can say he's not anywhere near good enough for us is beyond me. He took over the number 1 spot suddenly and then things changed, do you think we'd of been in the final or 4th if Migs was kept in goal? I don't. Give the lad praise, he deserves it.

25.) 17 May 2018 10:30:22
No contort is fine in the context thanks ha, Karius isn't near top level, he is an improvement in Mignolet and that's where people are thinking he is upto the job, he produce some good performances but still doesn't look like winning us games, he has an unease about him that isn't going away, he made a couple of vital. saves in games at a time when we were rocking but that should be standard, he isn't top level or going to be imo.




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29 Jun 2019 08:41:04
Starting to get very excited now as I feel a big signing not in value but in player worth is coming to us
one out of the blue like a fabinho and I think it has been done and come july 1st will be announced
No way liverpool rest on their laurels and don't add to this squad attacking wise to have a decent back up for one of the front three in additon to Origi and Brewster.

Johncrow Junior

1.) 29 Jun 2019 09:20:33
Im not overly worried about us in attack I feel the need is fullbacks the same area as the Eds have said we are targeting . The difference when Trent and robbo dont play is night and day . And if anything our attack when them 2 dont play drops aswell . So Id be worried if we never got adequate cover in that area rest of team I feel as if their is enough their .

2.) 29 Jun 2019 10:31:29
I think the same mate, it's a matter of time before we sign somebody quality, a shocker I'm predicting, it'll be one of them, we won't know about it until A. ED2/ ed1 says so or B. Liverpool confirm it but I have no doubt its coming.

3.) 29 Jun 2019 12:01:25
Agreed OP. No way do liverpool win the European cup and then not add quality. Its been a long, tough, mentally staining season for everyone at the club id imagine. Fighting to the last day. Winning the ucl. They deserve a long holiday!

We made a load of money for winning the ucl, Sturridge is off the wage bill. I think the full backs will covered, maybe only lb as we have a few who can play rb. I don't see the big money signing being a forward though. Who do we replace? Mane, nope, firmino, nope, salah, nope. So its not going to be a big money bench warmer.

I reckon we will sign a play maker, an attacking mid. Probably out of the blue like fab. One day there'll be a picture of some classy creative mid doing the melwood lean.

4.) 29 Jun 2019 13:38:34
I honestly don't believe Liverpool will sign a major signing this window, we only seem to do so once we've sold a major player, 2 biggest windows we've had was after selling Suarez and after selling coutinho, I think it will be quiet, unless Salah leaves which I doubt will happen until next year, I can see a bug summer spending in 2020 nor this year.

5.) 29 Jun 2019 13:49:50
I think youre going to be disappointed.

Left back cover
Versatile forward
Goalkeeper if Migs leaves.



09 Jun 2019 13:58:33
Hi Eds
Hope your all well
In terms of Lovren can you see him staying this close season and where do you think klopp would have him in the pecking order in defence
i personally think 4th but interested to see the opinion of others.

Johncrow Junior

{Ed002's Note - I expect him to stay. I cannot answer for Klopp.}

1.) 09 Jun 2019 14:11:28
Lovren has fallen way down the pecking order. If there is no interest in him then he will stay. His wages probably scaring off many sides along with his injury problems.

We are sorted at CB with VVD, Matip, Gomez, Fab being able to cover and Lovren as backup.

2.) 09 Jun 2019 14:33:04
Ed02 you answer for yourself and that will be very true🤗.

3.) 09 Jun 2019 17:55:48
To be honest, I'd try to sell Lovren. It isn't that I don't like him but his stock will be high with him being a World Cup runner up and Champions League winner. I rate Matip as the better defender of the two, but if we were looking to sell either, we'd get more for Lovren than Matip, i think, just down to the fact that Lovs is a higher profile player.

Both are on quite high wages as far as I'm aware. Matip mainly due to him originally arriving on a free.

4.) 09 Jun 2019 19:16:23
You sell lovren and salah will throw his toys. You need salah? you need lovren.

5.) 09 Jun 2019 20:22:54
We have had better players than both of them if they go they go . YMWA.

6.) 09 Jun 2019 21:40:22
Our cb’s bar vvd are made of glass we can all see it and I’m sure klopp can id expect one to leave and one to come!

7.) 10 Jun 2019 12:12:36
Things change quickly in football and people sometimes have short memories.

Matip was the source of ridicule for seasons. Lovren will stay and fight for his position and i wouldn't be surprised if he won his place back. He ends the season as 4th choice i agree, but that could change quickly. Eg matip and gomez are injured and lovren enters the best form of his career. We just don't know. As long as we have 4 good cbs then im happy. And young hoever looks good, and in last pre season, philips looked good. This time last year we were all hoping to sign a cb. Things have changed, good times are here

If vvd got injured i think lovren is the most suited to switch to lcb from rcb.

8.) 10 Jun 2019 13:19:53
The main reason why I'd like lovren to remain is he seems like a genuine good guy with strong character. Many videos show him having a strong voice around dressing room, he is a good pro and klopp craves his type of persona. Sakho remember was playing better than lovren but klopp was happy to ship him on for the good of squad. Unless lovren seeks out a move we should keep him around, he seems happy with us, despite the horrid treatment we've shown him for years. Death threats I'm sure he was getting at one stage, any player who fights past that ridicule admirably has a strong character. Lucas and hendo too. These squad presences are hard to find, evidence clear in Lovren getting a contract not long ago despite fans moaning. He's valued from within.

9.) 10 Jun 2019 15:06:02
I agree to a point har_red. But we haven't always been harsh to lovren. I remember the season before this one just gone. Lovren had a real bad run of form, was subbed after 30 minutes against? Was it spurs? And we voted him player of the month.

But what you say about him being a big presence in the dressing room, i think you're bang on mate. Big dejan is the last player in our squad who i would want to fight! I dunno, i reckon hendo could have a good reccy.



01 Jun 2019 22:17:22
Pride nothing else but pride tonight
Thank you Klopp.

Johncrow Junior

1.) 01 Jun 2019 22:32:47
Well said john "Thank you klopp, and thank you fsg and thankyou divoks mum and dad"



26 May 2019 10:44:43
EDS or anyone who knows, can you please confirm just how good Glenn hysen really was?
I have a few friends who say he was top top class but just really underated.

Johncrow Junior

{Ed025's Note - people tend to look at ex-players through tinted glasses john, he was ok but thats about it,he was an average joe who certainly tried but was very limited mate..

1.) 26 May 2019 11:14:14
Cheers Ed
Your right someone people do but I will take your word for it mate.

{Ed025's Note - no problem mate..

2.) 26 May 2019 23:15:43
He was bang average at best, Alan Hansen made him look half decent, when jockey retired he was found out as being (as I said) bang average at best.



25 May 2019 10:22:08
We all love bobby for what he brings to our team which is work rate heart passion sapce for mane and salah to work their magic
but question for the forum
If you had the chance to swap bobby for Antoine Griezmann would you do it?
Have to admit I would as those three up top would destroy anyone and they would probably all score 20 plus goals
but im glad we have bobby but have to be honest here guys.

Johncrow Junior

1.) 25 May 2019 10:31:31
Not for me, bobby is personally the most important player in the way we play and Griezmann is undoubtedly a good player but he seems to care more about himself then the squad and his ‘should I stay or go’ documentaries are cringeworthy at best.

2.) 25 May 2019 10:39:33
Not for me. I like our style of play and I think Firmino is instrumental to it; as are Mane and Salah. Griezmann doesn't work hard enough in my opinion. Someone like H. M. Son or B. Silva would be an interesting debate though. They match the work rate of any of our front 3 and have bucket loads of ability to boot.

3.) 25 May 2019 10:41:48
No chance at all for me. The reason we are so successful is because of Bobby's workrate as well as his selflessness. Griezmann, though he is an amazing player is no where near Bobby's level in those 2 areas.

4.) 25 May 2019 11:01:15
Legitimate question JJ but I suspect you’ll get universal disagreement. Bobby is key to our high press game and whilst he may not win the golden boot he doesn’t miss that many chances either when he through. Besides who is better than him with his goal celebrations!

5.) 25 May 2019 11:18:49
thats the differnece between Klopps teams and any other top Euro team, the workrate.
I think of name and think, now ways. he won't keep up with our style of play.
thats why its important we buy the right type of player even if he is not well known.
cant think of another false 9 like Bobby out there.
cant think of another forward who will displace our front 3 out there that covers our full backs.

6.) 25 May 2019 11:19:42
No way. Griezmann would never be able to be the first line of defense, as Bobby is. And why are we worried about goals? We score enough with the current system. Let's work on our finishing and being decisive with our scoring chances. I'd agree to an AM being brought in to add punch and support to the front 3 (Bobby scored more with Coutinho and Ox behind him), but not to replacing him.

7.) 25 May 2019 11:24:02
My opinion:

Griezmann is the closest player to Firmino, tactically speaking. He's a secondary striker with great defensive workrate. Griezz is maybe a little bit more complete and a truer-striker than Firmino (he's more agile and a better finisher), but just like our lad he has a very good attitude at pressing the opponents and ghosting-up to provide for his team-mates.

I know Firmino does not score as many goals but obviously his game is so much more than that.

I'll welcome Griezmann as an addition but not at the cost of Firmino.

8.) 25 May 2019 11:27:12

9.) 25 May 2019 11:38:54
"Have to admit I would as those three up top would destroy anyone and they would probably all score 20 plus goals"

Our current front 3 scored 20+ plus goals each last season. This season, Salah and Mane are both over the 20 mark and Bobby has 16. Not exactly a million miles away from 20. So you'd swap Bobby for Greizmann to probably have what we already have?

I wouldn't.

10.) 25 May 2019 11:39:58
Sorry to say but those who questioning Griezmann's work-rate have no clue at all.
Griezmann works tirelessly for Simeone’s side. His work ethic is second to none whether it's pressing or defensive contributions. He never stops running!

Yes his attitude sucks but he is a brilliant footballer.

11.) 25 May 2019 12:02:21
Aray I think that season had more to do with the ox than couts. Couts was a selfish player and only made a hand full of appearances that season Bobby didn't really shine until pipco left.

12.) 25 May 2019 12:15:30
MoSalahMoPain, you misunderstand me friend. I did not say Griezmann was lazy nor did I question his work ethic. I agree he works hard. However, just do not think it is hard enough to replace Firmino. Firmino presses better than nearly every player in world football.

13.) 25 May 2019 12:15:47
I don't undertand those who would question his work rate
and to say he could not do what bobby does is a little silly imo
he is a better player then bobby end of
but that is not to say he would work in our team as well as bobby does.

14.) 25 May 2019 12:25:07
You said it yourself. Bobby creates space, tracking back etc, which might be different to Griezmann. That in turn will change the entire play, and that might not bring the same results. Probably Mane and Salah won't be having the same amount of opportunity to play their games. Besides, I don't think Griezmann is a great player though. Good yes, but not that great.

15.) 25 May 2019 12:29:13
I think that is exactly the point John. Griezmann puts in a good shift defensively, but Atletico don't play a high press. So the intensity of his defensive work is much less. Less sprints, less frequent etc. His defensive work is about closing down players, or closing down space, putting a foot in when the chance is there, getting back goal side of the ball etc. He does it brilliantly.

There is no evidence he can play in a high press though. It's a completely different level of work ethic required. That's why I put forward H. M. Son or B. Silva. They both play in high pressing teams so they press at a similar intensity to our lads.

It's not as clear cut as just saying 'Griezmann is a good player who works hard' so he could do Firmino's job just as well. Does he work AS hard? For me not many players come close to Bobby in that department. Griezmann is clearly a better finisher though. I'm just not sure I'd sacrifice Bobby's world class pressing for Griezmann's worod class goal scoring. It's fair enough to say Griezmann is still a hard worker, but then it's only fair to say Firmino is still a decent goal scorer.

16.) 25 May 2019 12:51:18
I wanted a debate on this and we have one so im happy
so thank you to all who have commented and still might.

17.) 25 May 2019 12:54:50
PB, I got your point mate.
I will never swap Firmino. He's the heart and soul of our system. He makes everything tick, he’s the true meaning of teamwork, and if Liverpool are to finally grasp the Premier League title next season, it’ll be due in no small part to Klopp’s gegenpress-extraordinaire false 9.

18.) 25 May 2019 12:54:54
Griezmann is the better all round footballer and would score more goals, create more goals so I would take Griezmann. Firmino's high press was no were near as effective this season he you look as the stats he was behind other similar premier league players.

19.) 25 May 2019 13:46:13
Lol never in a million years personally mate.

20.) 25 May 2019 14:13:51
Johncrow there’s something that the kop want you to know, the best in the world is Bobby Firmino. Our number 9, give him the ball and he’ll score every time. Si senor, give the ball to Bobby and he will score.
Griezmann indeed 🙄.

21.) 25 May 2019 14:17:45
Hi Salah hope yuor well mate
just a question is there no one you think in world football could replace bobby in our front three?

22.) 25 May 2019 14:20:27
Nope. He’s good but I’ve never quite got the hype. Maybe its because he like to tell people that he is just so beautiful and amazing and fantastic in every way that people believe him.

Not a single player in the world in Firmino’s position would I take instead. When he plays, we’re good and mostly win. When he plays well, we do win. He mostly plays well.

23.) 25 May 2019 15:27:05
I fully get why our fans love Firmino but to say there is no one in the world who could do better only Liverpool fans would say that. Bobby only scored in 8 league games this season, he has never played well in a final. Last year in the champions league final he forgot to turn up. When Liverpool need goals to win points the goals hardly ever come from Firmino.

The best players turn up in the biggest games. If you ask me for one player that is sure to play well in the cl final I say Mane, then Robbo, VVD, Allison. Firmino would be well down the list.

24.) 25 May 2019 16:20:30
I wouldn’t swap Bobby for anyone!

25.) 25 May 2019 17:00:06
Finally a post about my favorite player and another player that I currently love to watch. Anyways I think both players are great in their own right but for me it has to be Firmino. Amazing player and so underrated one of the best at what he does. I see that Griezmann likes to comment and like on Firmino's page on Instagram. I see that Griezmann, sort of follows Liverpool. He especially follows Firmino.

26.) 25 May 2019 17:17:32
Why must people look at goals, or even work rate? Bobby works hard, yes but that should be a prerequisite. It’s the fact that if something goes wrong for him, there is not a seconds thought before he tries to make amends, and most of the time he does. All players can harry others, but Firmino actually manages to get the tackle in more often than not. He knows when to press, when to close space or the player and how to set traps, but he doesn’t really need teaching any of it, it is all natural to him. There aren’t any others of his ilk and quality I can think of in the world.

As for goal scoring, why do you need to adjust the way the team plays to suit someone else when our two wide men are our main goal scoring threat anyway? The reason he doesn’t score as many is because he has been instrumental in most of the chances we create.

That article posted by IDontLookLikeKlopp on discussion pages will explain exactly why Firmino is so vital, even if people can’t see it obviously.

27.) 25 May 2019 17:34:58
The only thing I would add to the debate is the way Bobby fits in with the "Team Spirit" which Jurgen has instilled into us. Take Bobby out and you take away from that feel good factor and then replace him with a player who is all about him and not the team and it impacts on other players.
Its great that we can even be considered with world class players but I wouldn't want any of them if they impacted on the togetherness we have right now.

28.) 25 May 2019 18:15:34
I'm very good thanks John, how are you doing mate? hope life is treating you well?!

To be honest you've put me on the spot there mate, it's no secret how much I love Bobby, I'm sure there's somebody out there who could replace him but who? is the big question for me, I just love what he brings to the team as a whole, I know he doesn't score as many as we'd all like but for me there's much more to him then that.

Right now, I wouldn't swap him with any player, he's equally my favourite Liverpool player along with Alisson.

Bobby reminds me of Silva for City, that fella is just unreal, he's been their engine for years and they'll struggle to replace such a player, I see Firmino in the same light. He's not appreciated as much as he should be in my opinion mate. I think the biggest issue these days is people don't pay attention to an individuals performance, they look at the score sheet and judge based on that instead of watching a player closely.

We're all different though mate, just my opinion of course :) .

29.) 25 May 2019 20:50:16
similar to a previous post about Mbappe, I would say that greizmann is in that category of player that doesn't fit at Liverpool. ie; their star and everything that comes with it is too big for our club and city.

now that aside, I would still go with Bobby because he has turned into the star he is here and i think that gives him some credit over greizmann. Ya don't just give up that chemistry so easily.

30.) 25 May 2019 22:44:20
Doesn’t matter who is better. Bobby is our player. Bobby all day.

31.) 25 May 2019 23:03:23
Once again, I have to agree with Salah. Bobby is perfect for us and is a prototypical Klopp player. I'm not sure that there would be room for Griezemann's ego. Interesting question though John, good topic and good comments.

32.) 25 May 2019 23:05:50
Im good Salah mate hope you and the family are well
For me glad we have Bobby I really am but deep down I cannot honestly say he would be above Greizmann for me but we all have opiniono which make supporting this club even more interesting.




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23 Apr 2019 19:17:20
Mate we cannot on a open forum be in fear of posting where there has not been any insults towards an ed or disrespect
im sure ED002 is not so bothered that he would take offence at anything written above.

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23 Apr 2019 19:10:53
I will stop as the point im making seems to be lost in you trying to go a different path
chelsea are no saints when signing players klopp tells lies according to you and we have to accept that
thank you for all your info mate much appreicated.

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23 Apr 2019 19:01:27
nothing to do with Chelsea you highighted one liverpool player I highlighted 43 chelsea players
im sure a few of them were made promises about first team chances
and wp were obtained by saying they would play and were players who would not be loaned out but given first team chances
You always seem to make comments about liverpool which we all appreciate
I made one about Chelsea with no harm intended.

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23 Apr 2019 18:54:37
Klopp is what klopp is not defending him just sayinh
but how many players do Chelsea have out on loan
last count it was something like 43 or maybe even higher
they have a nigerian left back who has been out on loan something like 5 seasons in a row
surely this is worse then what is happening with Grujic.

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12 Jan 2019 20:18:23
We have money if needs be and we have players who can be sold so I would not worry about money if klopp needs it I think he will get backed no matter what van dijk and Allison prove that.

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07 Jul 2019 07:57:32
Finally the real Messi is coming out the spoilt little brat who always wants everything his own way.

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06 Jul 2019 07:47:37
you think Bobby Duncun is ready for first team squad wow.

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04 Jul 2019 13:34:52
I know he is french Shaq the post said who you think and your dream would be, they don't have to be the same choice do they
or was I mistaken?

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04 Jul 2019 07:55:24
I stand by it will be a player currently at the African nations cup
dream player for me would be Dembele from Barcelona I feel he would rip the premiership apart under klopp's management.

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03 Jul 2019 19:59:57
Larry curly and mo?

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