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04 Feb 2018 13:12:51
In regards to the champions league it is a competition we all love but I feel it has also given a way out for many teams including us, to say, we finished top four it’s a good season.

Take champions league out of it and the only thing that should matter is winning the league (which only one team can do a year but you should be damn close in doing so) and winning a trophy.

Why has the champions league become bigger than the domestic league? don't get me wrong 2005 will live long in the memory but as an English club domestic success should be the be all and end all. For instance I’ll remember 08/09 as we came so close and even closer in 13/14 but I don’t remember the other seasons where we scrape 4th. Finishing top should be and always should be the aim with an FA Cup or League Cup (none of this carabao nonsense) .

WYred

1.) 04 Feb 2018 13:31:13
I don't think qualifying for the champions league has taken precedent over winning the title, it's just the minimum requirement from top 6 teams currently. I think if you asked most Liverpool fans they would prefer the domestic title and I think if you asked our owners they would prefer to be the owners that helped give LFC that. Where have you drawn this conclusion that the champions league is more important? It's more important for citeh currently because they haven't won it yet, and you can bet your bottom dollar that every manager within the top 6 absolutely strives to be crowned champions of the premier league, its not like citeh was the only team set out to try for the title this year and the other 5 just wanted top 4. it's just how the season has panned out with citeh being so consistent in results.


2.) 04 Feb 2018 14:04:03
Sorry WYred but surely you understand the financial rewards for UCL qualification and progression due to tv rights sponsorship etc etc. All fans want the big name players at their clubs, those players in turn want paying big money and want to be playing in the most competitive competition there is in club football the UCL. Its sad really that most clubs view the English domestic competitions as a hindrance nowadays due money pure and simple.


3.) 04 Feb 2018 14:44:06
Why not go for both? 🤔.


4.) 04 Feb 2018 16:25:09
I don’t think CL or top 4 has taken precedence over the league at all, but it’s about being able to realistically build a team that can compete. I would take the title over the CL and I would take a title over a top 4 space the following/ previous season. Money isn’t really an issue any more but top players want to play in the CL, end of story, without CL our best players, who we will have usually been forced to nurture ourselves from young talents because of not being able to attract top players, will want to leave for a better chance of winning trophies/ playing CL and so the cycle continues. There are extraordinary events of course, I. e. Leicester but this was an exception, not the rule, and i’ll be amazed if I see similar again in my lifetime. Top 4 and CL is not the be all and end all, but it is necessary to become and stay as a top team. I said at the start of the year Top four for us would be a successful season and I stand by that.


5.) 04 Feb 2018 18:50:44
Because it helps to attract the best new players.


6.) 04 Feb 2018 20:21:32
Correct stoneage 🤝.


7.) 04 Feb 2018 21:43:49
It's not always the case arsenal jus bought abumayang they ain't in champs league an also in 6th, also if u have a manager a player wants too play under that helps as abumayang has said he wanted too play under Wenger an he now playing for arsenal, as vvd wanted too play for Liverpool also.


8.) 04 Feb 2018 23:34:30
Apologies don't think i worded my point correctly. My point was that qualifying for the champions league was considered a success. I. e. we finished top four so we had a good season.

The only measurement for a good season should be winning a trophy. You could argue a title challenge is successful but only if you just miss out. But finishing fourth should not be considered an achievement it is a mere bonus that you have qualified for the champions league.

Obviously champs league has the money and attracts players, and in my original post that question was rhetroical as its money the makes the game go round which is an unfortunate outcome of the game becoming so successful.


9.) 05 Feb 2018 09:59:17
WYred, there's a difference between winning trophies and achieving targets. Both Wigan and Swansea have won major trophies since our last one but clearly they're not better teams than us. So we need a better way of measuring how well we're currently doing and that's the league.

Goals scored is a great measure of our attack, goals conceded of our defence and points of our general standing. If these records are going up or down season by season then that's measure of our progress.

Being in the top four isn't success in itself but it's a target that's shows we're improving. From 2010-16 we made the top four once, hopefully we going to do it for the second time in a row this season, that's progress.

If we start to come top four regularly then we can increase our targets to 'challenge for the title' and if we challenge for the title regularly we can increase our target to 'win the league'. That's the aim but it's a journey.

Saying we're unsuccessful because we didn't win the league is unhelpful as it wasn't a realistic target for us this season. Having a target of 'top four' and achieving that target shows we're on the right track.


10.) 05 Feb 2018 10:59:00
I think for this season if we qualified for champs league 2 seasons in a row that's progression too were we have come from, it shows a level of consistency in the league but obviously we have too take it too the next level in terms of winning leagues an cups, from the top too the bottom of the club as a whole we always should b thinking through the ceiling but these days money is king an we lag behind in that department as there are 5 or six teams as just as wealthy an 3 of them have juggernaut money.


11.) 05 Feb 2018 11:07:41
So the measurement for success is winning a trophy but you’d rather not be in a competition with a trophy up for grabs so you can focus on 3 other comps, at least 2 of which are less prestigious?


12.) 05 Feb 2018 11:35:43
I still don't think you're correct WYred - most people laugh at the few who considers it a success on it's own merit.

However, most things in life happen in steps. We've spent almost a decade out of the Champions League for the most part, so the first step is getting back into it and solidifying our position as regulars. It's a good indication of the path to success - no one really believes its the end goal of it.


13.) 05 Feb 2018 12:09:27
i think top 2 should should qualify automatic for CL and the winner of both cups get the remaining two place.


14.) 05 Feb 2018 12:33:32
Hailstones. aubumayang went to Arsenal because no other big club would buy him and he wanted to move! Also his current club are out the champions league so it made no difference to his current season.


15.) 05 Feb 2018 15:00:27
Tia, mate abumayang is quality he will bag arsenal a lot of goals bet u he has a field day in the premiership, no one wanted Suarez but we did, no one wanted coutihno we did, no one wanted Salah we did, doesn't mean anything they have a world class striker.


16.) 05 Feb 2018 16:11:36
Swish, I never said I don't want to be in the champions league, my point is that you shouldn't meerly aim for top four (you may during the season have to adapt your targets depending on results) but before a ball is kicked the title should be the aim plus any trophy your competing in.

ending a season with just a top four finish can be seen as progress from where we have been but should still be considered an average season at best.

This site is about opinions which over certain things will differ but it is what makes this site so addictive.


17.) 05 Feb 2018 18:36:26
how many clubs, Liverpool included, wish for top four, it brings so many pluses, meaning you have performed well in the bread and butter of the premiership, then to have a good run, in all the cups, hoping to win one of course, really being in the Champions League does attract the better players, and money,
this then means you can then strenghten your team, giving you a better chance to win games,
so the best teams, then have a much better chance of staying up there with the best,
we have just added VVD and Mo Salah, our full back situation looks so much better now, even Karius is improving, we have Kieta coming here in 4 months, Lovren looks good with VVD,
there to me I can see a big improvement,
if we can add a class midfielder, we can def set our sights even higher next season .


18.) 06 Feb 2018 02:24:55
WY, the aim is to win everything we enter, the top 4 is the minimum level we want to be achieving, not maximum. just cos that's what we reference as a milestone doesn't mean that we're only happy competing at that level.


 

 

02 Feb 2018 20:21:55
Does anyone know if a player with less than 6 months on their contract can sign a pre- contract agreement outside of the January transfer window?

WYred

1.) 02 Feb 2018 20:36:36
Yes as long as it’s with a club for a different country or FA as far as I’m aware. At least that seems to be the general rule. Need to get the old law manual out!


2.) 02 Feb 2018 20:37:59
Yes, as long as it is a non English side.


3.) 02 Feb 2018 20:52:36
I think players can sign contracts with clubs at any time of the season, the issue is registration to play for that particular club. So yes a player with less than 6 months on his contract can sign a pre contract outside the jan window.


4.) 03 Feb 2018 02:06:44
Fa not country. by the way eds is there any country havin different fa?

{Ed001's Note - any country having different FA from what?}


5.) 03 Feb 2018 11:29:34
“I think players can sign contracts with clubs at any time of the season, the issue is registration to play for that particular club. So yes a player with less than 6 months on his contract can sign a pre contract outside the jan window. ”

Ed002 will correct me if I’m wrong, but players can sign for clubs at any stage of the season as long as the selling club agree to it. Registration can only be transferred during a transfer window.

When a player only has 6 months left on their contract they don’t need to seek the permission of their parent club to sign pre-contract agreements. If it’s within the same FA then a fee needs to be decided - either by agreement or by tribunal (eg Danny Ings)

{Ed002's Note - Right.}


6.) 04 Feb 2018 01:53:56
Livebird31 Swansea and Cardiff are in different FA to country and vice versa.


 

 

02 Jan 2018 18:55:40
Ed002 has played a blinder with wonderdogsparky, my opinion is that Couts is off and VVD has taken his house.

WYred

1.) 02 Jan 2018 20:10:46
It'd seem to obvious to me that scenario, I think he's talking about somebody else coming in lol but who knows, his 'clues' are about enough to make Einstein go round the twist.


2.) 02 Jan 2018 20:20:56
Samir "smooth hands" Handanovic, methinks.


3.) 02 Jan 2018 20:25:40
He ‘or she’ Ed002 may be a she, is just sending us into a frenzy, silly season is underway!

{Ed002's Note - I rather think I have done no such thing.}


4.) 02 Jan 2018 20:43:59
It does seem its couts and vvd but there does seem to be another one at least in there.


5.) 02 Jan 2018 20:44:01
Ed002 I think its great mate what you have done. Certainly makes it fun us all stressing over who it is arriving. Is it someone youve mentioned before like on the Sharkopod?

{Ed002's Note - you have missed the entire point.}


6.) 02 Jan 2018 20:50:51
John parrot lives in coutinhos basement.


7.) 02 Jan 2018 20:59:27
It’s all riddles
Hand cream Shea butter
Could be
Shay given (Shea)
Jack butland (butter)

I hope I’ve stirred this pot into more frenzy.


8.) 02 Jan 2018 21:17:41
Wonder Dog Sparky is and anagram of Skyward Pogo Nerd

The prodigal son returns. I give you Peter Crouch!


9.) 02 Jan 2018 21:54:08
There won’t be a keeper. We have four. Two whom expect to be playing.


10.) 02 Jan 2018 21:55:46
Tbh I don't even think it relates to any new arrival now.


11.) 02 Jan 2018 22:13:33
My reading of the players ‘dropping by to say hi’ to WDS are other players that will be leaving. Marco, Ings etc.


12.) 02 Jan 2018 23:21:15
Shea Butter = sturridge out
Old Friends = masch and Suare, pepe reina?


13.) 03 Jan 2018 03:10:10
Shea butter made from Pea-like fruit off the Shea tree.

Mascara - Spanish for Mask

Old Friend

Auba is on his way!


14.) 03 Jan 2018 10:33:46
Rborhara, it could be Nuri Sahin you know.


15.) 03 Jan 2018 13:16:34
Bull Moose Jackson plays R&B Keiata’s on his way!


 

 

27 Dec 2017 18:06:06
Been confirmed by the club! VVD is a red at 75 mil though i think that is a huge risk and if it doesn't work and we are not challenging next year for trophies klopp will be under massive pressure.

WYred

1.) 27 Dec 2017 18:16:48
We are always challenging for trophies as every club is when the competition starts and managers are always under pressure. Whatever the money bandied about it it's a) irrelevant and b) obscene. You pay what the market rate is which goes up day by day and will do so until the bubble bursts. Opinions are like you know what's - we all have one. If this happens and it's a player that Klopp thinks can improve us then lets' be positive and see where it takes us.


2.) 27 Dec 2017 18:18:57
I really hope it works out well - I want a world class player for that money, I fear we've got merely a good one.


3.) 27 Dec 2017 18:25:23
Great opportunity to try the back 3 with Matip, Gomez, and VVD. wingbacks with options on both sides and a defensive midfielder dropping in to the triangle. Good flexibility and mobility as well as hopefully quick ball movement.

I know Hendo gets a lot of grief but we seem more balanced and dynamic without him in the team, do you think he will stay on or a replacement may be looked at?


4.) 27 Dec 2017 18:29:27
He is quality I am made up but we need more simple as, we need a new qaulify established keeper who we can trust too not make errors, it's not easy but they out there, hope vvd form was cos his head was with us an not because of his injury hell of a lot of money.


5.) 27 Dec 2017 18:31:47
Crazy stuff. But credit where it is due to everyone at the club for resurrecting an all but dead transfer and beating Chelsea and City to him. Am amazed. I think I need a drink!

{Ed002's Note - They did not resurrect a transfer as they never spoke to Southampton about the player regarding a transfer. Manchester City has a lengthy list of CBs they are interested in. Chelsea's interest in a centre back is elsewhere.}


6.) 27 Dec 2017 18:36:25
I highly doubt we will change the system to accommodate VVD. Nearly impossible to incorporate the "Fab Four" in a three at the back system.


7.) 27 Dec 2017 18:39:19
I think he's a decent player and I'm not slating him here.

But SEVENTY FIVE MILLION QUID? ARE YOU MAD?


8.) 27 Dec 2017 18:43:52
Kimos so by definition Swansea are challenging for the title before the season starts then? Without going into the money too much (sorry ed002) 75million is a huge fee (even in the inflated market) and is going to represent a huge investment by the club, one of which I would fully expect the club to think is enough to push the club from top four contenders to title challengers (next season, city are out of sight)
Klopp, when he joined, said he would win the title within three years and the club are trying to give him the tools. It is now down to him to put those tools into practice.


9.) 27 Dec 2017 18:56:08
Overpriced to say the least, that's suarez money! Guess we see if he picks himself up, he's been dog this season!


10.) 27 Dec 2017 20:02:15
Do you want our competitors to spend all the big money and we just buy the £10m and under defenders? We have tried to penny pinch and look what has happened. The signing is a game changer, just what we needed.


11.) 27 Dec 2017 20:02:43
The money goes up all the time WYRed. Each window. To compare prices of previous and recent windows makes little sense. I read earlier that he's not worth 1 Bale or 2 Salahs. At previous window prices Bale didn't have one and Salah is now worth considerably more than £35 or 40m whatever it was. As fans we want the best for our teams and the money we have little or no concept of how it goes. Let it be and hope he turns out alright.


12.) 27 Dec 2017 20:38:44
Great singing I’m dubious about the money spent and have thought there may well be cheaper options out there for a cheaper price but we’ve got him we wanted him first let’s get behind him. A top keeper or one with the potential to be top next and I’ll never ask for anything again.


13.) 28 Dec 2017 00:29:41
Cheaper cheaper cheaper god my post wasn’t great 😂.


 

 

 

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23 Jan 2018 11:10:31
Just wanted to remind some of where we have been and where we are now;

David wash n'Go has just signed for Ross County, he used to be our option to change a game on the bench.

Last night was shocking, but hopefully just a bad night rather than a trend, we can put it right on Saturday.

WYred

1.) 23 Jan 2018 12:14:26
I expect Huddersfield to park the bus
Advance Notice.


2.) 23 Jan 2018 13:08:18
Se for west brom.


3.) 23 Jan 2018 13:19:47
WY it has been going on all season we have lost 3 games and drawn 8 games in the prem and its only January. In games like last night that formation doesn't work with those players.

Swansea parked the bus as expected and we were not good enough to break it down. It will happen again many times in the remaining games.


 

 

14 Jan 2018 08:00:56
Morning Ed’s and Reds happy keita day! Let’s see if all those rumours were correct.

Just wanted to say I hope people don’t believe this Sanchez nonsense, IMO it is just the papers trying to include as many teams as possible to turn it into a saga. We all know he is going to city and the only question is if it’s now or the summer when he can join with a hefty pay day.

WYred

1.) 14 Jan 2018 09:29:50
Is this what it has come to. Happy Keita day? It is Liverpool v Man City today and some people are more bothered about individual footballers who think it is okay to force their way out of their club. Come on the reds!


2.) 14 Jan 2018 09:36:40
I guess my sarcastic tone didn’t come through in writing.


3.) 14 Jan 2018 10:02:26
I got your sarcasm mate😁.


4.) 14 Jan 2018 10:04:47
Sorry. Missed the sarcastic tone. Just want Anfield buzzing with atmosphere and support for the players in the squad. We need the extra man today. Come on you reds!


5.) 14 Jan 2018 10:32:43
He just left the airport got in a taxi must be on his way to klopp.


6.) 14 Jan 2018 10:58:18
Ahh now don't be silly negative he's on his way to Melwood😉.


7.) 14 Jan 2018 11:12:51
Correct me if I'm wrong but why would a sarcastic post on here even effect the atmosphere in Anfield today.


 

 

11 Jan 2018 21:44:35
Wanted to rack the brains of the Ed’s if possible, not Liverpool related so I will understand if it’s not for these pages.
But with the current plight at Hartlepool needing 200 grand to stay a float for another week, will there ever be a time when the bigger clubs buy them/ invest and use them to bleed in younger players?
The smaller clubs seem to be struggling as the gulf between the prem and the rest grows, but those clubs are steeped in history and seeing them go out of business would be a travesty for English football. for prem clubs in particular 200,000 grand is some players wages for a week so surely there can be some solution. How would the Ed’s solve these clubs problems?

WYred

{Ed002's Note - At the moment no, in the future potentially yes. The solution to the problem is the reorganisation of the leagues to reduce the number of professional sides as the model there is now cannot be sustained.}


1.) 11 Jan 2018 21:53:04
Great question mate!


2.) 11 Jan 2018 22:02:28
Thank billy and thanks Ed002.

I know teams go from part time/ semi pro to professional (Guiseley have recently done it) but have many clubs done the opposite. If Hartlepool in particular made that decision could that keep the club a foot or are their issues much deeper then that?

Apologies for all the questions Ed002 but I have one more if I may, obviously with Jeff Stellings link to Hartlepool and I know sky have sponsored clubs previously, are they in a position to invest in a club and if they did would they then have the potential to have a club where they can broadcast all their games?

{Ed002's Note - I rather doubt that Sky have the budget to be wandering around saving clubs but the bigger issue is that there needs to be a change. I hold a reasonably strong view in terms of the need to restructure football in Europe in any case. For me an eventual a breakaway pan-European league would force the restructuring of many of the national leagues, possibly resulting in a British league with perhaps only a couple of professional tiers and then regionalised amateur leagues below that. Financially I do not see that so many pro sides can be sustained within the sport which, like it or not, will see more and more money going in to the highest levels of the game. Governments will ensure that grassroots sport get funding but everything in the middle (Southern, Northern, Conference, Division 2, Scottish Divisions 1-3, League of Wales will not get the funding needed to continue on any sort of professional basis. For me, clubs should already recognise this and put their efforts in to getting there finances in order to see if they can make it to a British professional league that will need to flourish without perhaps six sides that have gone down the pan-European route - and have gone for good. Clubs like Accrington Stanley will need to carry on as amateurs or face extinction (yet again).

The game has changed significantly and will continue to do so. Football at the highest level is big business and attracts the sponsorship it does because the sponsors wish to tap in to the disposable income of the fans and ride the back of the advertising that flows naturally from the success some clubs achieve. Long gone are the days of the cloth-capped, hobnailed-booted, chimney sweep making his way, rattle in hand, to cheer on his team at Anfield on a Saturday afternoon. I have explained that there will be changes, probably within the next 10 to 12 years, which will force the restructuring of all of the leagues in Europe and likely do away with the likes of UEFA. You will have the opportunity to see the likes of Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Juventus and the other major European sides play in week-on-week regular competition at The Emirates, Stamford Bridge etc.. You will have the opportunity to visit Milan, Barcelona, Monaco, etc. every couple of weeks to watch your team play - if they make the "elite" cut. If you want to don your cloth cap, have a pint of wallop with your chums before going off to the local match, perhaps one of the sides from the suburbs will have survived so you can go and watch them?}


3.) 11 Jan 2018 22:12:40
If you reduce the amount of professional sides, do you think fans would go and support rival teams? I'm not so sure. Would filtering down a larger slice of the pie not be a viable option ed? I realise the premier league has to vote on such things, but can the FA not help to decide how money from the Premier League can get distributed down the leagues.

{Ed002's Note - No more so than when sides drop out of League 2. If you start taking away money from the PL sides they will look to other deals and it won't help. The real answer is the radical one that sees a restructuring.}


4.) 11 Jan 2018 23:00:48
I have a rather extreme idea on this. It is pretty clear that in the next 10 years, at least 4 of the UK's top teams will soon be playing in a European break away league. I suspect it will be all of Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs though.

The English football which is left behind will not be able to compete with this new competition if it maintains it's current format of 4 divisions in a pyramid, where every team is basically stuck at their level barring the rare exceptional ascendance or fall. It is boring. Football won't be able to sustain 92 professional teams.

My proposal would be to split the country into regional leagues. North, Central, South East, and South West (with the few best Welsh teams in this South Western division) . I would have 12 teams in each regional division, with the top 2 from each division qualifying for a series of 1 leg play offs. So 8 teams qualify, and then in knock-out style it is whittled down to a final 2. A single football game which decides the Champion of England and Wales; a soccer match to rival the super bowl in terms of viewing figures and global attention. 1 regional game a week for 22 weeks (no doubt with a handful of breaks and Cup weeks), and then a 3 week play off with the quarters, then semis, then final.

In order for this to be fair on the 48 pro teams left behind though, i would suggest a wage cap on every club to level the playing field. If you want to pay one player mega bucks, that's fine, but you will have to surround him with low paid younger players.

Very similar to the NFL in America. No teams in the 48 can be relegated, and you essentially get a regional Champion from each of the 4 regions, and then a national Champion.

For me, if we stick with a football pyramid, you may as well write off at least 60 professional clubs right now because the money is already spread too thin in the lower leagues, and it will get worse when the cream of English football are gone. They won't survive.

I would also keep the FA cup and invite all the non-pro teams to join the 48 regional sides in a traditional style cup Competition. You could then in theory keep the charity shield so the Cup winners can play the Championship winners.

Like i say, it's an extreme idea. However, something radical must happen or there will likely only be around 24 English teams survive after the break away happens, and they will most likely be the clubs with fan bases big enough to buy their own team.

{Ed002's Note - Right now only three look likely.}


5.) 11 Jan 2018 23:31:09
As an American, I'm always amazed at how many professional football teams there are in England, especially in some of the realtively small cities.


6.) 11 Jan 2018 23:34:40
City, United and Chelsea?


7.) 11 Jan 2018 23:55:24
Ed is it City, United and Chelsea?


8.) 12 Jan 2018 00:25:25
So MK would your NFL actually mean what it says when it says National Football League and not National Pads and Lids League? Lol.


9.) 12 Jan 2018 08:21:23
Thanks ed002 appreciate the insight.


 

 

10 Jan 2018 21:03:56
I’ve heard It’s all agreed we are signing Richard Theo Frederick Pullman, I am off to buy my shirt now, apparently he just prefers his initials on the back.

WYred

 

 

09 Jan 2018 21:09:07
Seen a bit about how this is the scenario we found ourselves in when selling suarez, but I have to disagree. When Suarez left we needed to rebuild a squad so spread the cash lightly to get number in whereas now we have a relatively strong squad and just need a sprinkling of top quality to push the club to the next level. I trust whoever the club and Klopp decide to replace couts and if it isn’t until the summer so be it. Couts didn’t want to stay so we had to bite the bullet and let him go but I believe we have enough quality left in the squad to get top four even if no one else does the Melwood lean this winter.

WYred

1.) 09 Jan 2018 21:18:43
Spot on WYred.


2.) 09 Jan 2018 21:30:57
I completely agree mate. Everyone thinks we're just trying to discredit Rodgers, but Suarez literally was a one man team (though if we're fair, Rodgers still got a group of otherwise average players around him to do an adequate support job for 6 months) . No other player in Premier league history has scored over 30 goals without taking penalties, as far as i am aware. He got 23 assists on top of his 31 goals. It was the best season from an individual that i have ever seen in English football, and if it's ever bettered I'll be amazed.

Coutinho was an unwelcome distraction and our win percentage without him has been 30% better than with him so far this season. I am excited for the rest of the season. Tough game up next to be fair, but we're on the edge of something special in my opinion. I personally think we're the closest to Man City out of all the English sides, and when Ed025 (a blue nose) is also saying we're the second best team, you know we're not just delusional this time 😂

I think we're just keeper away, once Keita has joined.


3.) 09 Jan 2018 21:44:41
I think it's more like 3 players, a keeper a DM and a no 10 if firmino stays up top.


4.) 09 Jan 2018 22:04:26
Honestly i don't see us bringing in a direct replacement for the little fella in this window. But i honestly believe we have enough quality to stay at the top of the table without him.

The key is to continue with the teamwork and battling spirit and keeping salah fit.

Vvd will also be key in helping us to be more solid at the back and not being as nervy in tight games. He brings a vocality that we have sorely missed and presence.

The future is bright whether we replace the wee tyke this window or not. Bring on city.


5.) 09 Jan 2018 22:11:52
We need another keeper, another cb and a cm.
My opinion only.

{Ed025's Note - a striker with a 25+ goal tally would be nice as well phil..


6.) 09 Jan 2018 22:13:05
Klopp won't play with a natural DM for some reason, but i take your point about a creative player. Not necessarily a number 10, but a player who can unlock a deep defence with intricate play. Ceballos may be that player one day to be fair, and in the short term Keita and Chamberlain are both creative players. I'd still like Lemar as well.

All i meant is that if we sign a top keeper, i think we will start challenging. There will always be room for further improvement though.


7.) 09 Jan 2018 22:21:31
I'd say we're 5 signings away from a realistic challenge to Pep's Man City - and all need to be top notch 1st 11 quality.

Goalkeeper
Center-half to play with VvD
Coutinho replacement
Midfield pivot to compliment Keita
Striker.


8.) 09 Jan 2018 22:30:03
I agree mostly Den. Who plays with Keita? Where do the midfield goals come from? We need to keep the ball a lot better.

Who plays in the front 3 when someone doesn't play?

Harsh but true
Lallana's last good game was Boro away over a year ago. Gini hasn't had a good game all season (our worst outfield player this year) .

Can going
Milner probably going

We need a lot more than a keeper and Keita.


9.) 09 Jan 2018 22:44:21
Ed25 hasn't Firmino got 16 already this season? I'd say he's on for 25+.


10.) 09 Jan 2018 22:48:33
We don’t need another striker, firmino is class and opens up the game for other players with his constant harrassing of defender. I would have Gomez at cb with VVD. So a couts replacement is all we need imo and reassess the keeper situation in the summer provide karius has the jersey until then.

We need to realise we are not city and cannot offer a Sanchez (just an example) 200 grand a week to rotate with four other players. In order to compete we need a very strong 11 with players capable of filling in with injuries then fill out the squad with youngsters who we are willing to trust if called upon.
We are far closer to challenging city (not this season) then some people think but the main change needs to be the mentality of the club that no matter who we play we believe we will win.


11.) 10 Jan 2018 00:09:16
Walls, when people usually talk about 20+ striker they're just referring to league goals and, at current rate, Bobby won't hit that.

Having said that we do have Salah who's well on track to getting 25 or more. We need a top class goalscorer, we have one.


12.) 10 Jan 2018 00:16:24
Spot on, we are no longer a 1 man team and losing Coutinho was never ever going to have the impact of losing Suarez.
He made everybody around him look quality because he could make magic out of any situation .
I will never ever ever forget his goal against Newcastle assisted by Enrique, iirc it came out that at half time he actually told Enrique to just launch it up to him if he got the chance. it’s like he could see the future and it was the same with many of his goals for us he just knew where a pass was going, or where a team mate was going to run xD


Anywaayy, Why the hell do people still think we need a striker? The front 3 we have is one of the most dangerous in football when it clicks for them 😂

We have lallana back and the Ox for this new t bit (and Keita coming in the summer)
But what we will miss from Couts, is his direct running at the opposition which makes defenders panic and distracts them from the front 3s movements.
That is what we need to replace.

Obviously we need a Goalkeeper, and i’m still uncertain about Moreno and Robertson to be honest. If they both merged it would be great, Moreno is better going forward and Robertson is better defensively but we need both in the one player 😂.


13.) 10 Jan 2018 00:30:05
25 goal+ goal striker. you know something ed lol.
Honestly think are front 3 are fine. and like firmino up there, another striker with the goals already in team is a pathway blocker.
Of coarse when we buy one I'll be delighted lol.


14.) 10 Jan 2018 06:23:36
I disagree WYred, 'spreading the cash lightly' amongst lots of new ordinary players never, ever works if you want to be competitive. It failed miserably for Liverpool, it failed miserably for Spurs the year before Liverpool did it, and it has failed miserably for Milan this season. I was in utter dismay at how much people were hyping up Milan during pre-season - apart from Bonucci, they essentially signed a whole bunch of nobodies.

What Liverpool, Spurs and Milan should have done is reinvested their sale proceeds into two to four top quality players in high priority positions. A squad with a sprinkling of top quality will always beat an average squad with lots of quantity.


15.) 09 Jan 2018 23:12:17
It only works WYred if there are real quality players moving into the space. I think that has been proven time and time again. When Salah or Mane doesn't play it doesn't work.

Walls Ed25 is talking about league goals where Firminho will get his usual 15 goals. He needs to start doing it in the big games starting on Sunday and help turn the draws into wins. let's hope he can do it. It is no good just running around and waiting for other players to win the game. I am waiting and wanting Firminho to win us games, I have never seen it.

Let's see we will find out all we need to know about the squad in the next 5 months. Who has the quality and who has the spirit.

{Ed025's Note - to be fair mark firmino has scored his fair share, but i still think a prolific scorer would be the order of the day mate..


16.) 10 Jan 2018 07:02:00
Where will that striker play?

{Ed025's Note - im guessing up front.... im thinking central with mane and salah wide and firmino just behind mate..


17.) 10 Jan 2018 08:25:01
That would be my choice Ed. In some games the current system works great, but when you change players like swoop Salah for the Ox it is never going to work.

Fabregas played false 9 it worked because Messi scored the goals. It wouldn't work if say Rooney and his caravan where coming through. No offence Ed.

{Ed025's Note - none taken mate..


 

 

 

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05 Feb 2018 16:11:36
Swish, I never said I don't want to be in the champions league, my point is that you shouldn't meerly aim for top four (you may during the season have to adapt your targets depending on results) but before a ball is kicked the title should be the aim plus any trophy your competing in.

ending a season with just a top four finish can be seen as progress from where we have been but should still be considered an average season at best.

This site is about opinions which over certain things will differ but it is what makes this site so addictive.

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04 Feb 2018 23:34:30
Apologies don't think i worded my point correctly. My point was that qualifying for the champions league was considered a success. I. e. we finished top four so we had a good season.

The only measurement for a good season should be winning a trophy. You could argue a title challenge is successful but only if you just miss out. But finishing fourth should not be considered an achievement it is a mere bonus that you have qualified for the champions league.

Obviously champs league has the money and attracts players, and in my original post that question was rhetroical as its money the makes the game go round which is an unfortunate outcome of the game becoming so successful.

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17 Jan 2018 18:35:26
Ed002 you are a gentleman and a scholar, thanks look forward to it!

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17 Jan 2018 17:46:48
Ed002, is it possible to have one that covers all the above + any other tidbits of info (incl. Liverpool)? I think it was over the summer you did one to cover multiple clubs and it was very interesting to hear what was going on.

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{Ed002's Note - Each will get there own - perhaps an updat covering all in the last few days would be a good idea. Thanks.}


 

 

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16 Jan 2018 13:50:23
Tbh Evitt I'm not surprised,

Where would he play? Documented that Klopp and PEA don't get on? Crazy wages? Plenty of baggage?

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15 Feb 2018 13:46:27
I agree with MK here, we should be wanting to put a marker down at home. And i know full well if porto score within 10 minutes Anfield would have that air of nervousness. Stick kids in that atmosphere and we can be in trouble. Strongest 11 out for me (depending on fatigue) and put the game beyond all doubt then you can just turn the second half in to a training session and rest a few.

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04 Feb 2018 09:48:09
I believe the club took the offer as keeping couts could of been counterproductive and disruptive to the squad. They (Klopp and the owners) wanted a replacement but weren't going to be held to ransom for one.

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28 Jan 2018 13:51:00
We don’t have a defensive coach? I didn’t know that but that explains are frailty at the back. Surely every team needs someone who strictly looks at the defensive shape.

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28 Jan 2018 11:47:39
Players should not be allowed to ask for it, if they go down that route captains should get 1 a game, if they are right they keep it if they are wrong it’s gone. Players shouldn’t be allowed to surround the ref as the decision once reviewed is final.

The refs need help but it’s there as an aid and not as an official. Last night he used it to double check everything he did again not the point of VAR.

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17 Jan 2018 16:44:25
Have to disagree MK, think studge is likely to go (either this window or the next) so him and solanke as back up to Bobby. Doubt Origi will come back either so keep him for next season. Ings coming on for bobby with 15/ 20 mins to go will give defenders nightmares.

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