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27 May 2018 13:36:43
Absolutely gutted for the boys - not for the result but for the manner of it. I was really hoping for some beautiful attacking play worthy of our run to the final, but while the first 30mins promised much, the way Salah was dragged down and injured, and the way we played so poorly after he left, and watching Karius crumble on the big stage was devastating.

I sincerely hope the whole team can pick themselves up from this, as we seem to be on the brink of something truly special. The biggest disaster of all would be if we let something like this impact the momentum going into next season.

Now for some home truths

- I've always felt the gap between our front three and the rest was ridiculously big. So it proved last night, not just in talent but also in style. Our game relies on Firmino dropping deeper to act as playmaker and to create space, with a pair of wide attackers able to use their pace and movement to take advantage, get into the box and score. We clearly don't have anyone else in the squad able to do that apart from Mane and Salah, and with only one of them on the pitch the opposition can shut us down all to easily. We need a top top wide attacking forward in the transfer window to allow us to remain a threat if any of the front three are injured/ need a rest. It's critical. RM must have been laughing when we took off Salah and brought on Lallana. They knew we wouldn't be nearly as dangerous.

- I've been proud of Gini and Milner individually this season, they've given everything, but it is also clear that they both need the front three to click or we look toothless. Without Mane, Salah and Firmino on fire, our midfield is exposed for what it is - workmanlike. We need someone able to pick the game up and create danger if the front three are struggling, and hopefully Keita is that player. Kroos and Modric schooled us once Salah went off and we can't let that happen again.

- GK. I've been one of Karius's backers, mostly because Mig's was clearly not the answer, but I think Karius will take time to get over this, and the team will need time to trust him again. I think it's critical after the final that we go all out for the best GK we can get to start next season. Karius may come back, and I hope for his own sake he grows to live this down and succeeds in the long run, but unfortunately we can't go into next season with him as our no.1, there's too much at stake

- Finally, I think Klopp missed a trick. It was clear going into half time we were struggling with Lallana out wide. I think he needed to shake it up and put Ings or Solanke on earlier and dropped Firmino into the 10, with Lallana in midfield. We should have realised we lacked any threat, trusted our FB's to push up to create the width and pace instead and really gone for them but that's always easy to say in hindsight.

I hope above all we get over this performance and learn, continue to grow and strengthen the squad. We've had some incredible memories from this season and we can do better still if we don't let this get to us.

YNWA lads. Thanks for a wonderful season and here's to the next.

SGRed

1.) 27 May 2018 14:53:04
ings wasnt on the bench so you can expect klopp to put him on really can ya.


2.) 27 May 2018 16:55:41
I don't have qualms with lallan being brought on, throwing an inexperienced player into a game like that would be hard. I think we should have matched their diamond and played firmino and mane up top. We know they'll roam around anyway.


3.) 27 May 2018 17:08:03
I don’t think Ings was in the CL squad 😄.


4.) 27 May 2018 18:17:24
Win as a team, lose as a team. Don't care what the results is they are my team and I am proud they made it to the final. "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win. ". -Bill Shankly.


5.) 28 May 2018 01:07:30
My bad - of course Ings wasn’t an option, i guess the point was, we didn’t have another wide forward that Klopp could replace Salah with, we were forced to changed our system and we went from being on top to being under pressure the rest of the match.


6.) 28 May 2018 07:10:17
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Reality is Klopp watches his players daily and is in a better position to judge. We lost, we will recover and hopefully use this as a great catalyst to go again. Onwards and upwards.


7.) 28 May 2018 08:57:25
Inexperienced players - Trent alexander and Robinson were pretty inexperienced.


8.) 28 May 2018 10:08:10
Woodburn should've been given a spot on the bench and would've been a better option than Lallana. He's the kind of player who can come off the bench and produce a bit of magic, like on his Wales debut for example. The fact we had 3 defenders and 2 midfielders on the bench certainly didn't help. I still don't think Klopp did all he could've to get back into the game, waiting until the 83rd minute and then bringing on Can was pretty pointless. If you need a goal, bring on a striker for dog's sake. Or even Moreno could've had more of an impact, and of the options that were on the bench I'd actually have brought him on to play inside-left instead of Lallana.


9.) 28 May 2018 10:45:30
I would personally have put on Solanke and played Firmino more as a 10 but everyone’s a genius with the benefit of hindsight.


10.) 28 May 2018 15:19:41
Yeah SGRed that would've been worth a shot as well, and of course hindsight is 20/ 20 but my main point is that Klopp did nothing at all. Seemed like he was as stunned as the players were by the combination of the three shocking moments, but that is exactly when you need a manager with a cool head to put any kind of plan in place to try and save the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Klopp, but it's a definite weakness of his.


11.) 28 May 2018 23:34:44
Agree Jurgen Meister. Kloppo gets his subs wrong often when we're losing.

First of all, Ings should've been on that bench as the most like-for-like for the front 3. Of course, not in quality but at least in mobility and versatility. He would've been my choice when Salah webt off injured. We needed to keep the width and stretch them.

Even when we went 2-1 down I would've brought Clyne on at RB and pushed TAA forward. Take Milner off as his legs were done and slot Lallana in the middle. Lallana always struggles playing wide.

Oh well, game is done and I'm not a coach lol.

{Ed0333's Note - so glad your not our coach Greg.


 

 

 

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02 Jun 2019 07:02:23
Not the most exciting football I've ever seen, but it also shows Liverpool's growth in maturity over the last 12 months. They knew they had the upper hand in this match once they scored, and they played the percentages perfectly to limit Tottenhams chances and back themselves to score a second. A very professional performance that says volumes about where we are right now - capable of winning matches any number of ways - which is what's required to be the very best.

Congratulations Reds, you've made us incredible proud this season, and thoroughly deserved winners, it would have been a travesty to end up empty handed after the way this teams played this year, but also after last years dissappointment.

I think this will be massive in terms of getting the 'also rans' tag off Klopp and this squads back heading into next season. I expect the confidence boost to be huge for the squad and back us to challenge heavily next year in the PL.

SGRed

{Ed025's Note - the fans were brilliant and the singing amazing where i was SG, pity really that we witnessed the most insipid boring cup final in the history of sport, what should have been a showcase of english football turned out to be the dampest squib ever im afraid, congratulations to the reds of course but its a pity none of the teams turned up..


1.) 02 Jun 2019 07:55:27
That’s what happens when you decide to play the final in June. 3 weeks after season has finished.

{Ed025's Note - i was just hoping for so much more benny, liverpool have played some great football this season and spurs are usually a good team to watch, i suppose the goal came too early but i was surprised that liverpool shut up shop after 2 minutes, im glad the reds got something out of this season though mate..


2.) 02 Jun 2019 07:56:47
Ed025 while it was not an entertaining game in the slightest both Milan Vs juve and united Vs Chelsea were worse finals than this one. I'd place this third on the last of dullest finals ever.

{Ed025's Note - its top for me nevada, mainly because these are two teams who have been entertaining all season i suppose, when everton are in it in a couple of years i hope we perform better than that mate.. :)


3.) 02 Jun 2019 08:11:04
I just feel sorry for all football fans everywhere that they had to sit through that dross and then to top it off, watch us lift the trophy. Dark days indeed. Six of them, to be precise.

{Ed025's Note - love it RITWW..


4.) 02 Jun 2019 08:13:15
Last night wasn't about making a showcase it was about bringing the trophy home, we was so close a year ago, all the hard work was done I the semi final, last night was a great professional performance.

{Ed025's Note - it was all about winning MR i agree but did it have to be such a borefest?, this is apparently the showcase of european football, but it ended up being like a sunday league game and a bad one at that mate..


5.) 02 Jun 2019 08:27:09
Very boring final overall but I don't care how it was done, point is, we did it and I couldn't be more proud of this team! bring on the 7th ;) .

{Ed025's Note - and im glad your so easily pleased mate.. :)


6.) 02 Jun 2019 08:38:04
The way we played is proof that Klopp has learned from his mistakes. Last year we were all over the place causing the players to be nervous and the substitutions were bad too.

This year Klopp had a clear plan and i feel he outsmarted his opponent and made vital subs at the right time (something he wasnt been good at) . It was a boring game but a controlled game.

{Ed025's Note - if the klopp plan included scoring early then shutting up shop and boring the arse off the watching public in the showcase event of european football then it worked a treat..


7.) 02 Jun 2019 08:52:48
I think the 3 week break affected both sides and were looking rusty. That much time to prepare and focus for 1 huge game can also add nerves and pressure. Both teams looked so sloppy at times and the early goal prevented us from risking an open game.

The difference with this side is the defence can now be trusted to soak and deal with pressure. Recent Liverpool sides since rafa left would rarely be able, we always needed to score a few goals. Klopp made the right approach to get the win, 2 early proactive subs too was good to see. 30° heat didn't help the contest either, bound to slow 2 high energy running teams to a degree. I couldn't care less though haha.

{Ed025's Note - yeah har maybe they were tired after playing 90 minutes a week for 8 months, and players like salah, firmino and mane are not used to heat like that coming from where they hail from, its a very tough life being a professional footballer these days mate...i will factor that in from now on..


8.) 02 Jun 2019 09:07:39
I think we’re all forgetting Steau Bucharest vs Barcelona and Red Star vs Marseille. Now they were dour games! I don’t suppose anyone from those two clubs care a jot now. It was a pretty bad games last night but I’ll always remember it for Origi’s goal, oh and number 6 in the bag😃.

{Ed025's Note - i will remember it for being a great night with all singing all dancing liverpool supporters and an atmosphere in the pub being second to none devon, its a pity that the football spoilt the occasion slightly because it was absolutely dire mate, and a lot worse than any of the games you mentioned there my friend..


9.) 02 Jun 2019 09:14:49
I think spurs and Liverpool are getting harsh attention drawn to this poor game. Both sides have given so much entertainment on the way. 2 amazing gutsy semi final comebacks, spurs took city out in a goalfest and we also dominated bayern. Plenty of goals and attacking styles and also dramatic moments to get out of group stages.

Overall it was a cracking champions league, so many moments, United comeback against PSG, ajax toppling juve and real Madrid. 2 of the greatest semis and last minute var decisions knocking city out. Finals with clubs from same country always annoy me.


10.) 02 Jun 2019 09:20:37
I never said they were tired once, just rusty from lack of recent game time. It's obviously easier to play in 10-15° degree heat than 30 no matter where you're from, I'm not making excuses just suggesting possible factors for that dull dreary game.

{Ed025's Note - one of the factors may be that klopp was so desperate to finally win something that entertainment had to be sacrificed, it worked though even though i must say i feel for the fans who paid extortionate amounts of money to go to madrid and witness crap like that mate..


11.) 02 Jun 2019 09:25:55
Did you have a good day out Ed25 mate? did you have your Liverpool shirt on? ;) I know you did, go on, admit it! hahaha hope you had a good one mate.

{Ed025's Note - i had a great time salah, the booze was flowing from 4pm and the atmosphere in the allerton oak was amazing, i never wore red though thats a bit beyond the pale for me but in the ensuing frenzy of the origi goal i may just have joined in a chorus of allez allez allez, i do remember the highlight of the game though....it was a throw in on the half way line mate.. :)


12.) 02 Jun 2019 09:26:02
as a neutral can imagine it wasnt a great watch. That all italian final and the manU v chelsea finals were both utter dross in terms of teams cancelling each other out and not playing. This one was more like two rusty teams. Ah well I don't care!

{Ed025's Note - i dont either faith, i had a cracking day until i got home and found out i had lost my key, i had to get the enemy up from her slumber and she had a face like harry kane mate.. :)


13.) 02 Jun 2019 09:45:35
Red Star Belgrade v Marseille must be the worst final of all time, Red Star played for penalties. It was shocking and must have put millions of kids off ever playing football again.

{Ed025's Note - that game was a feast to the eyes compare with yesterdays debacle greenflash..


14.) 02 Jun 2019 09:49:05
That's a good point actually ed. I remember in the Europa league final against Seville in his first year we were 1 up and cruising, we weren't capable as a team back then to suffocate and kill a game. It's not pretty but winning is what we needed. I'm sure every single red who made that great commitment to be in Madrid will have enjoyed every second of it. It's the neutrals who have been left frustrated with that showing

It's sad to see the chaos and costs that these finals are now demanding. I saw that a fella was selling his ticket a few hours before kick off outside the ground. He was given 10,000 in cash there and then by somebody for it. Complete madness.

{Ed025's Note - yeah its complete madness har...£10,000 to watch that sleep inducing pile of crap...thats 3000 beer vouchers and at least 20 doner kebabs mate.. :)


15.) 02 Jun 2019 09:41:05
Course he was desperate, we could have gone for it and maybe lost, you would then be saying Kloppo blew another final. Can't win!

{Ed025's Note - fair point mate..


16.) 02 Jun 2019 09:57:05
Ed25 Hang on a minute, are we suddenly looking for style points now in a CL final? Rubbish, bro. As any coach or player will tell you, a final is only great IF you win and for us and Klopp, nothing else matters so the people who want entertainment for a final can go watch the 2013 CL final between Dortmund and Bayern.

I actually thought is was a decent game, not great of course. People saying it was a borefest should give their heads a wobble, IMO. I have much WAY more dire CL finals than this one. If you are looking for a borefest of a CL final, I propose you go watch the 1998 final btw Real Madris and Juve, 2003 final btw Milan and Juve or the 2010 final btw Inter and Bayern well, if you can get through any of these games w/ o jamming a fork through your hand, just to check if you still have a pulse while watching.

{Ed025's Note - if you really thought that was a decent game red wolf then you need to visit goodison a bit more mate, it was a pathetic excuse for a game of football and even the more biased of reds will say the same, my point was that it was a good opportunity for us to promote the english game in europes elite competition, but instead of game of thrones...we gave them crossroads..


17.) 02 Jun 2019 10:04:54
Hahaha, about right mate, glad you enjoyed your day Ed! I had a quiet one in, well, not so quiet but you know!


18.) 02 Jun 2019 10:42:08
This might have already been asked and answered but with half the tickets only being allocated officially to clubs how exactly is the other 30000 or so spread out? I understand that UEFA officials etc and the stadiums club too get a share. But who else gets large allocations or is it too complicated to nail down? It's so wrong to see the way UEFA and FIFA are sucking the love and passion away from the fans so blatantly. The Europa league was a disgraceful setup, finals being hosted in areas that realistically will be competed by sides from other side of continent. Kyiv last year too, and United Chelsea travelling to Moscow. Qatar hosting the world cup has zero football sense, only monitary. Steps need to be taken to stop this as it's only getting worse every year.

{Ed025's Note - im with you har..


19.) 02 Jun 2019 09:52:45
My guess Ed025 is that the fans in Madrid gave even less of a toss about the quality than us here at home, just imagine how they would have felt at the final whistle - the cost of being there would be truly irrelevant. Early goals in big finals often spoil the game, both teams had their finest moments on the way there, to moan too much about the actual final seems a bit churlish I reckon.

{Ed025's Note - maybe its just me johnny..


20.) 02 Jun 2019 14:42:33
sucky about your key 25!

{Ed025's Note - i know faith i went back before but its not been handed in, probably some hot totty took it so she can sneak into my house and have her wicked way with me mate.. :)


21.) 02 Jun 2019 15:24:08
Yeah, Ed25. It's just you, IMO.


 

 

18 May 2019 06:04:12
Interested in people's thoughts as to how Liverpool should approach the final. My own view is to go aggressive rather than a more balanced approach.

I feel like Tottenham are a very dangerous side and like to press and put sides under pressure, so if we play it too casual there's a risk we lose the upper hand and just give them encouragement. Their players are likely to feel underdogs and like this is a once in a lifetime opportunity so if we let them get their confidence we could make things much harder for ourselves than we should.

I'd like to see us go hard after them from the first whistle and let them know who's boss and try make sure they don't have time to breath. Press high and hard and try to get the first goal early like we did vs Barcelona.

SGRed

1.) 18 May 2019 06:49:26
That last bit sounds like a dirty movie haha.

{Ed025's Note - love it sandon..


2.) 18 May 2019 07:41:24
My tactics would be to go smash them. Run like nutters for 90 mins and give Spurs no respite while playing the skillful type of game we've played all season. Most players have a nice holiday after the final so no excuses for not putting in maximum effort. After the final whistle, Id like to see the Liverpool players shatered yet ecstatic.


3.) 18 May 2019 08:00:10
tell robbo and trent if they both play to just pressure tripper and rose who can't defend.


4.) 18 May 2019 08:14:19
Totally agree to chasing everything.

Love the dirty movie reference! Toxteth does Tottenham?

😂😂.


5.) 18 May 2019 09:15:41
Personally I’m slightly apprehensive if the match descends to a Championship play-off -style slug fest. A de luxe version of the Leeds v Derby game the other night is what we don’t need really but it’s probably going to happen at some point.
Two English teams and all that.
I’d rather a more controlled game, play Gomez at CB (tough on Matip, I know) and a high line, controlled press out of possession, keep our heads and don’t tear arse around everywhere like headless chickens.


6.) 18 May 2019 09:27:23
Don’t care as long as Jurgen gets to drop a few BOOMS!


7.) 18 May 2019 11:06:20
OP if you know anything about LFC under Klopp, you would know that we always start big games fast and intense right from the first whistle. All you have to do is watch all our big games this season esp. at Anfield as well as the Barcelona game to know this. Even vs Spurs at Anfield, we started the exact same way and rocked them in that first half.

Also, remember when we played Madrid last season in Kiev, we had them on the rack for the first 25 minutes (they couldn't get out of their own half) until Salah was targeted by Ramos IMO (I say that cos he targeted Karius as well and got him concussed), and injured him.

Therefore to your point, I am certain that we will come out flying out of the traps vs Spurs cos it is simply who we are. We do not play any differently. Also, we are capable of playing high tempo football AND keeping things under control hence, controlled chaos if you like. This is what Klopp implemented at the start of the season to get us to the point of winning the PL and making the CL final and win it. So don't fret, our boys will be super-prepared for this huge task cos Spurs are NO slouches. Cheers, my friend.


8.) 18 May 2019 11:13:22
Spurs have an incredibly fit team too don’t they? I agree with the approach suggested but they may be able to keep up with ha a little more than others can. On another note Goodluck to Watford today hoping for a Troy Deeney hatrick.


9.) 18 May 2019 11:15:17
The thing with spurs is they are capable of running all day the break will of done them good.


10.) 18 May 2019 11:54:46
I wouldn’t change anything for the final, play like we’ve played 90% of the season.

In sport a good mantra is “do what your opponent least wants you to do”. So on that basis Spurs have been complaining about fatigue and mental exhaustion. That will be ramped up 10x in the final, their legs will feel like lead when they go on that pitch.
So in agreement with the others, I would play high intensity football, I would get shots on goal early whilst nerves are jangling.
This is their first final, this is our second (with this squad) . We are wiser this time.


11.) 18 May 2019 12:25:13
If we play to our potential then we will win.

We should play with intensity coupled with discipline.

It would have been a bit of a concern last season but our team has grown this season.

It is a final and anything can happen but so long as we have a fit Bobby Sadio and Mo up front then I am pretty confident that we will get number 6.

If we do get number 6 it will be an interesting debate as to whether we or Citeh had the better season.


12.) 18 May 2019 17:37:33
Scouse john LB, and our team aren't super fit and can't run for all day? Or the break would not do us any good but would do them good? I don't understand the thought behind your post.


13.) 18 May 2019 17:48:07
Agree with Juicer personally, don't just go out all guns blazing, look to control the game and work the chances. We have a lot of different outlets attacking wise and we have a capable defence. We could go all out, get hit on the counter, and be a goal down early - it's a Champions League final, I think the same approach we had last year (before Salah got Judo thrown), controlled attacking play, is the way forward.


 

 

08 May 2019 10:41:22
Can't wait for Ed's review but a couple of things worth noting from last night

- Alisson is probably the most overlooked factor in that win, any goal would have been terminal and he was 1-1 with the likes of Messi, Alba and Coutinho all having a free shot more than once, and yet he made difficult saves look easy due to his superb composure and positioning. What a difference he's made to the side.
- Matip has been much maligned, but wow what a game. Truly stepped up to partner the unflappable VVD. Hats off and he deserves enormous credit for dealing with counterattacks
- Hendo was my MOM. you could just see what he meant to that game by Klopps face when he went down. What an incredible captains performance. truly career defining, in a way that was so different to Gerard's CL winning performance in 2005, but no less influential. He is a true leader among men
- Gini. just wow
- Divock. he's played himself into folklore with this seasons clutch performances, could well be the start of something greater than I imagined for the lad
- Trent. for any kid his age to even think about that cheeky corner says everything you need to know about both his game intelligence and his courage. To spot the opportunity and move so quickly without thinking about how stupid he might look trying something like that vs Barcelona on a stage like that, makes it clear he will defer to no one. What a gem we have.

SGRed

1.) 08 May 2019 11:31:52
Alisson was man of the match for me.

Trent, Origi, Gini and Henderson had great games. But scoreline wouldn't have been possible without Alisson. He made some blinding saves.

I also agree on Matip. He had a cracker of a game.


2.) 08 May 2019 11:53:39
I agree with the above but Matip's tackle to save a certain goal was the moment of the match. What happened in the second half doesn't happen if Messi scores.

Matip has been called crap on here and been on the end of jokes from the ed and other supporters. They obviously didn't think he was capable of such a performance (I didn't either at the start of the season), his passing was also very good. I hope he will get the praise he deserves after last night's performance.


3.) 08 May 2019 12:04:11
Matip has completely won me over. I was pleased when we signed him, he started ok but dropped off. This season, the latter half especially, he has been brilliant. Many may disagree but he was awesome against munich and he was amazing last night. Not to mention the league games he has played in. I get the feeling vvd prefers to partner with matip over lovren.


4.) 08 May 2019 12:23:22
Moment of the game for me was Wijnaldum holding off two Barcelona players and out Cruyffing Cruyff leaving them both looking into thin air as Gini took the ball away.


5.) 08 May 2019 12:44:27
Absolutely so impressed by every single player last night. Just a quick mention of Matip though, (looking forward to reading what Ed001 thought of him), I too am now a big fan of the Matip Man. The way he contributes when we're in possession makes him head and shoulders preferable to Lovren imo. I don't remember when exactly, until I watch it again, but at one point in the second half he beat an opponent to the ball, shielded it from two opponents, then knocked it past another before passing it. I stood and clapped. Correct me if I'm remembering it wrong, I'm still a bit dizzy and rather wonderfully hungover. :)


 

 

27 Apr 2019 04:18:05
Really good performance and was great to see Mane continue his incredible form and Salah back to his usual.

Only downside is it took me 20 minutes to figure out who was playing CF, why the heck start Sturridge? He was nowhere to be seen. If Firmino is still not 100% against Barcelona then surely has to start Origi at LW and Mane upfront.

Lovely to see Keita continuing his decent form too and Ox back after such a long time.

SGRed

1.) 27 Apr 2019 07:03:29
could not agree more about Sturridge the man should not even get on the bench. I all ways stuck up for him in the past but its funny that in his last season off his contract no injury this season. he started the season off well but I think once he realized he was not getting a new contract he has been a joke the games against wolves should have been his last. but Klopp made a massive mistake bringing him on against Utd and it was like we was playing with 10 men could be the difference with use winning the league as we was so on top in that game till bobby went off.


2.) 27 Apr 2019 07:44:47
Shaquiri did really well when he came on. Sturridge is gone imo.


3.) 27 Apr 2019 08:38:36
Not one to down one of our players. Infact don't like it at all. But it's scary how far Sturridge has regressed. He looked so out of place in that front 3 last night and seemed to be playing in slow motion compared to the rest of the team. Such a shame as was a brilliant, clever, quick player with amazing finishing ability. Hopefully gets a good move and has a decent end to his career (I would go abroad to a slower tempo league if I were him) Great to see Keita playing well again even Neville praised him a few times! Also feel Mane although rated highly is still so underrated consistently knocking in great numbers in league and champions league last few years, on top of his amazing work rate.

{Ed025's Note - sturridge had a great time off the back of an amazing suarez at the time coco, he has been a liability for a long time mate..


4.) 27 Apr 2019 08:39:32
Let’s not be to harsh on studge. He’s leg have gone it’s plane to see. I remember watch Stevie when he lost he’s legs I was gutted but there nothing you can do about age and injury taking there toll.
I totally agree Origi should have started ahead of him but we don’t know all the factors. For all we know it could have been a fair well home game.

{Ed025's Note - a good riddance game would be more appropriate longthing..


5.) 27 Apr 2019 08:41:17
In my mind, Klopp played Sturridge because it was felt that Huddersfield would sit deep and he has a habit of scoring against teams that give very little space. This was altered by our very early goal and Huddersfield were a little more offensive than expected.

{Ed025's Note - he was played because huddersfield are a joke and liverpool could have put out a 5 a side team and still beat them reynard..


6.) 27 Apr 2019 09:07:51
Couldn't understand why Studge played as ell, OP. He was SO off the pace and tempo of the game, it was frightening to see. The guy is simply finished. There were times that he was behind the play and was trying to keep up with that pace of our counter attacks and he seemed bewildered he was not getting the ball. You think? Might as well have started Origi up top cos at least we know he has the speed and pace to keep up with the tempo and pace of play we deploy.


7.) 27 Apr 2019 09:11:23
If Firmino is out against Barcelona I would switch to diamond with fabinho, Henderson, wijnaldum and kieta as am. Salah and mane up front.

Origi and sturridge are not good enough imo. Origi has potential of course but I don't think he 'll ever realize it because he is afraid to tackle. I lost count of the amount of times he closes down a defender and the let's him pass the ball or pull out of 50 50s. Or even 60 40s in his favour. He has become overrated imo. He could turn it around of course but he s done nothing to deserve a Barcelona start from what I 've seen in the games. Of course klopp has access to training I don't but honestly he d need to be a lot better I training for me to consider him.


8.) 27 Apr 2019 10:43:31
The 1st choice cf was injured so the 2nd choice cf started. I don't see the confusion.

And let's be honest. It was home against Huddersfield. We won 5 0. Why the complaining?

If city win all their remaining games, who would say we are the best team to finish 2nd? I can't think of many better teams who didn't win the title.

Its not over yet.


9.) 27 Apr 2019 11:00:15
I'd say the arsenal team that finished runners up to man utd for a few seasons would be a good shout. might not have got as many points but Thier football was a joy to watch and better than our current style.

{Ed001's Note - seriously? They were boring. They passed for passing's sake.}


10.) 27 Apr 2019 11:40:38
It was difficult for Sturridge last night, coming into a settled side with so much time previously spent on the bench. Never easy for any player that.
I believe you’re 100% wrong about Sturridge’s dynamic with Suarez, Ed025. Competitive, yes but from minute 1 after his transfer, Sturridge was excellent for Liverpool and was a major part in the transformation of the team and the subsequent front three counter-attack style that was developed.
At the end of 2013 season Suarez was on another ban, and Sturridge carried the team then.
There’s talk of perhaps USA as his next step.
It’s a shame about his injuries but I’ll remember a fantastic player when he was on it and fit.

{Ed025's Note - i will remember him as a very gifted player with the heart of a mouse juicer, when the going gets tough...he got going to the treatment table mate, kidded the bollox off the club for far too long and should have been ousted at least 2 seasons ago mate...what a waste..


11.) 27 Apr 2019 11:57:36
Harsh Ed025.
Although you Evertonians always liked a bruiser up front, Big Dunc, Andy, meat pie head Joe Royle.
Your front three v Liverpool formed an interesting acronym - Calvert, Richarlison And Pickford’s long punts. CRAP 😃
You can tell I’m still not bitter 👍🏻.

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18 Apr 2019 02:09:52
A few thoughts from last night

- Fantastic result for Spurs but not sure how Man City will react to be honest, they were very unlucky and it'll be a massive gut punch, but I suspect they'll get straight off the canvas and come back fighting. My guess is they'll beat Spurs next but hopefully by the Man Utd game it will all catch up with them
- Barcelona next, what an incredible tie this one is going to be. whoever goes through must certainly have a good shot in the final, and I back us to beat Barc over 2 legs and the 2nd leg at home
- What we can't afford in the first leg though is to be sloppy in possession like we were vs Porto first 20-30mins. It was immediately clear how much we missed the calm head of Hendo and the close control of Firmino dropping deeper into midfield to give us an outlet under pressure. they both absolutely have to start in the Nou Camp with probably Fabs and Gini. might even be tempted by a 4-2-3-1 to give Fabinho a little more support
- I was hoping a goal for Salah would unleash him, and these last few games he's really come back into his own. With him, Firmino and Mane all looking on form we're going to take some beating
- Only worry I had all game was our fullbacks looked a bit leggy and suspect in defence, it was good to see them substituted for a bit of a rest at the end, but they'll have to be a lot more disciplined away against the likes of Messi and co.
- Messi vs Robbo could well decide the tie for me as I think our midfield, CBs and forwards are more than a match for the rest of their squad. I hope Robbo gets a rest sometime

Comfortable win in the end, still everything to play for and hoping Tottenham can scrape a result this weekend!

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1.) 18 Apr 2019 07:01:35
If you watch Messi this season he's not really playing as an orthodox right forward. He stands there at kick off but he ends up bang central behind Suarez during the actual play. The midfield are the ones who need to stop him. I don't know how, but if they do, we win.


2.) 18 Apr 2019 08:16:23
The best way to stop Messi is by stopping his teammates first. If we can get control of midfield and upset their fluidity we stand every chance. I fancy us over 2 legs, heavy pressing and counter at pace can hurt them. Our midfield has far more energy so if we can turn the game frantic at spells I think we can overrun them.


3.) 18 Apr 2019 08:26:55
Fair comment, which is why I would mind 2 deep away from home. Gini to watch Messi (and double team with Robbo if he pulls wide) and Fabinho to control the rest of the game.


4.) 18 Apr 2019 08:53:34
Yeah I'd imagine at nou camp he might go with his trusted conservative midfield selection. Firmino to stifle busquets and hit them on the break every chance. Would love if Gomez could be ready for that game too.


5.) 18 Apr 2019 14:45:03
Messi vs robbo? But its also big V, the best defender in the world.


 

 

 

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18 Jul 2019 20:22:58
Wouldn’t say you played us off the park, but would definitely agree with the unlucky. that made it all the sweeter though. My favourite sort of result against you lot ;)

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18 Jul 2019 19:03:07
As long as the 0.00001% is the twice a year predictions you make for Everton to beat Liverpool I’ll believe you mate ;)

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17 Jul 2019 19:30:43
I don’t think Coutinho’s a poor player, he just not longer fits the way we play right now.

We rely on midfielders that can control the game, prevent counterattacks and cover the fullbacks, allowing them to push forward and create dangerous positions and assists. It’s no coiincidence that Trent and Robbo broke all sorts of records last year. Yet we remained solidly defensively precisely because we use the likes of Gini, Hendo, Milner, Keita instead of the likes of Coutinho.

Playing Coutinho would disrupt the balance to the side unless we changed our shape, and I don’t think Klopp will be doing that very often, hence he’d be a very expensive plan B.

Id rather we went for someone like Cornet, who while not as good as Coutinho, would allow us to rest our wingers and replace with a like for like style goal scoring winger without disrupting the shape of the side.

As for Ox and Keita, I’m confident one or both will do well in midfield this season and they’ll definitely add more goals.

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17 Jul 2019 15:58:08
Andy and Ed, agree 100%, our system has changed completely to using a hard grafting midfield to control things, and then the attacking threat coming from our wide forwards and use of the fullbacks. We don’t use a classic playmaker like City do, and we were all the more robust defensively for it last season.

I don’t see this obsession with Coutinho, he’s a decent player but we’d have to change our system to accomodate him and I don’t see us doing that (just like Shaqiri has struggle to fit our style of play apart from the odd game) and its a very expensive move to make if we’re only going to use him in the odd game to unlock stubborn defenses. I’d rather us Ox and Keita thanks.

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31 May 2019 13:32:43
Its pretty simple unfortunately - every year a new bunch of youngsters will come through, but once players mature and join the first team, players can play for Liverpool for many years if they’re good enough. Simple maths means that not many can make it into the first team as opportunities are few and far between.

Pair that with the fact that many juniors will lose their way (eg. simply not good enough, their first pro contract goes to their head, they don’t grow physically, the learn to enjoy partying over training etc. ) then only a very few kids will ever be good enough to play for one of the largest teams in the world.

I don’t think Liverpool are giving up on youth at all as we’ve seen from Trent, Gomez, Brewster. if they were good enough (and lucky enough) then they’ll get their shot. It’s just very few will ever get the chances for many valid reasons.

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04 Jul 2019 17:45:42
If he joined Id expect hed be used as cover for the forwards when were playing 4-3-3 (as Ed says, Klopp preferred setup against the better teams so we can control midfield), or occasionally he could be used as an attacking midfielder if playing more of a 4-2-3-1. Klopp has occasionally used four more attacking players against more stubborn defensive setups and when weve dominated the possession. In these sorts of situations there would be a clear advantage to having a Fekir type player over a Gini or a Milner playing as a 10 IMO.

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02 Jul 2019 07:02:35
I think the extra percent of two comes from midfield goals as you mention, and by having someone to allow us to rotate/ rest our front three without a significant drop in qualify. The huge question is whether the return of Ox / Keita improving can help with point 1, and whether Origi or Shaqiri are good enough for point 2.

I think the fact that the answer is debateable on both counts means we should be looking at Fekir who can help out in both these positions and is a step up in quality from Origi and a step up in effort from Shaqiri. Lallana moving on to make space would be the answer IMO.

The other possible area is cover for the fullbacks, however I feel with Milner hopefully staying on, thats less of an issue now.

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19 Jun 2019 04:01:48
Take every game seriously IMO - complacency is like rising damp, once it sets in, very difficult to get rid of.

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19 Jun 2019 04:00:21
He’s not the player we need - defenders find it too easy to keep him in their pocket.

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19 Jun 2019 03:55:39
Buffon
Lahm - Maldini - Beckenbauer - R. Carlos
Cruyff - Matthaus - Zidane
Messi - Pelé - Maradona

Tough leaving out Ronaldo!

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