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27 May 2018 13:36:43
Absolutely gutted for the boys - not for the result but for the manner of it. I was really hoping for some beautiful attacking play worthy of our run to the final, but while the first 30mins promised much, the way Salah was dragged down and injured, and the way we played so poorly after he left, and watching Karius crumble on the big stage was devastating.

I sincerely hope the whole team can pick themselves up from this, as we seem to be on the brink of something truly special. The biggest disaster of all would be if we let something like this impact the momentum going into next season.

Now for some home truths

- I've always felt the gap between our front three and the rest was ridiculously big. So it proved last night, not just in talent but also in style. Our game relies on Firmino dropping deeper to act as playmaker and to create space, with a pair of wide attackers able to use their pace and movement to take advantage, get into the box and score. We clearly don't have anyone else in the squad able to do that apart from Mane and Salah, and with only one of them on the pitch the opposition can shut us down all to easily. We need a top top wide attacking forward in the transfer window to allow us to remain a threat if any of the front three are injured/ need a rest. It's critical. RM must have been laughing when we took off Salah and brought on Lallana. They knew we wouldn't be nearly as dangerous.

- I've been proud of Gini and Milner individually this season, they've given everything, but it is also clear that they both need the front three to click or we look toothless. Without Mane, Salah and Firmino on fire, our midfield is exposed for what it is - workmanlike. We need someone able to pick the game up and create danger if the front three are struggling, and hopefully Keita is that player. Kroos and Modric schooled us once Salah went off and we can't let that happen again.

- GK. I've been one of Karius's backers, mostly because Mig's was clearly not the answer, but I think Karius will take time to get over this, and the team will need time to trust him again. I think it's critical after the final that we go all out for the best GK we can get to start next season. Karius may come back, and I hope for his own sake he grows to live this down and succeeds in the long run, but unfortunately we can't go into next season with him as our no.1, there's too much at stake

- Finally, I think Klopp missed a trick. It was clear going into half time we were struggling with Lallana out wide. I think he needed to shake it up and put Ings or Solanke on earlier and dropped Firmino into the 10, with Lallana in midfield. We should have realised we lacked any threat, trusted our FB's to push up to create the width and pace instead and really gone for them but that's always easy to say in hindsight.

I hope above all we get over this performance and learn, continue to grow and strengthen the squad. We've had some incredible memories from this season and we can do better still if we don't let this get to us.

YNWA lads. Thanks for a wonderful season and here's to the next.


1.) 27 May 2018 14:53:04
ings wasnt on the bench so you can expect klopp to put him on really can ya.

2.) 27 May 2018 16:55:41
I don't have qualms with lallan being brought on, throwing an inexperienced player into a game like that would be hard. I think we should have matched their diamond and played firmino and mane up top. We know they'll roam around anyway.

3.) 27 May 2018 17:08:03
I don’t think Ings was in the CL squad 😄.

4.) 27 May 2018 18:17:24
Win as a team, lose as a team. Don't care what the results is they are my team and I am proud they made it to the final. "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win. ". -Bill Shankly.

5.) 28 May 2018 01:07:30
My bad - of course Ings wasn’t an option, i guess the point was, we didn’t have another wide forward that Klopp could replace Salah with, we were forced to changed our system and we went from being on top to being under pressure the rest of the match.

6.) 28 May 2018 07:10:17
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Reality is Klopp watches his players daily and is in a better position to judge. We lost, we will recover and hopefully use this as a great catalyst to go again. Onwards and upwards.

7.) 28 May 2018 08:57:25
Inexperienced players - Trent alexander and Robinson were pretty inexperienced.

8.) 28 May 2018 10:08:10
Woodburn should've been given a spot on the bench and would've been a better option than Lallana. He's the kind of player who can come off the bench and produce a bit of magic, like on his Wales debut for example. The fact we had 3 defenders and 2 midfielders on the bench certainly didn't help. I still don't think Klopp did all he could've to get back into the game, waiting until the 83rd minute and then bringing on Can was pretty pointless. If you need a goal, bring on a striker for dog's sake. Or even Moreno could've had more of an impact, and of the options that were on the bench I'd actually have brought him on to play inside-left instead of Lallana.

9.) 28 May 2018 10:45:30
I would personally have put on Solanke and played Firmino more as a 10 but everyone’s a genius with the benefit of hindsight.

10.) 28 May 2018 15:19:41
Yeah SGRed that would've been worth a shot as well, and of course hindsight is 20/ 20 but my main point is that Klopp did nothing at all. Seemed like he was as stunned as the players were by the combination of the three shocking moments, but that is exactly when you need a manager with a cool head to put any kind of plan in place to try and save the game. Don't get me wrong, I love Klopp, but it's a definite weakness of his.

11.) 28 May 2018 23:34:44
Agree Jurgen Meister. Kloppo gets his subs wrong often when we're losing.

First of all, Ings should've been on that bench as the most like-for-like for the front 3. Of course, not in quality but at least in mobility and versatility. He would've been my choice when Salah webt off injured. We needed to keep the width and stretch them.

Even when we went 2-1 down I would've brought Clyne on at RB and pushed TAA forward. Take Milner off as his legs were done and slot Lallana in the middle. Lallana always struggles playing wide.

Oh well, game is done and I'm not a coach lol.

{Ed0333's Note - so glad your not our coach Greg.




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{Ed002's Note - I'll try and let someone know but they do get a large number of requests.}

1.) 21 Aug 2018 13:12:51
I can't do it until Salah is back.

GWS bud.



10 Aug 2018 05:50:32
Interesting Window.

Liverpool did the best of the top 6 IMO, with 4 quality incoming players addressing very specific needs in the side.

Can't believe Tottenham and Man Utd, I would have guessed Tottenham try strengthen their bench and Mourinho resolve a few problem areas but happy they didn't.

City didn't need anyone but did well to bring in Mahrez as Sterling still struggles in front of goal. Still most likely winners.

Arsenal I'm not too sure about, decent players and made sensible moves to fix problems but not stellar. Think they have more rebuilding to do at the back and through their midfield but their attack looks great so who knows?

Chelsea came from nowhere to have a good window. Courtois was always going to go so although perhaps a late panic, Kepa was a key move. I really think they did well strengthening in midfield with quality signings Jorginho and Kovacic. Still think their main weakness is striker with Morata a big question mark. Did well though in the end.

Notable also how many fantastic signings some others achieved.

Wolves looked inspired with Patricio, Traore, Dendoncker, Moutinho.

Fulham also did brilliantly with Schurrle, Mawson, Mitrovic, Seri and Vietto.

I think those two clubs are going to be hard to beat if they can gel all they new players together quickly enough!

Everton got in 6 quality signings, think they'll be much more competitive this year.

Think this is going to be one of the most interesting seasons ever!


1.) 10 Aug 2018 06:34:42
I’m not entirely convinced by Chelsea’s window to be honest, is Kepa on Courtois level right now? I’m not sure he is, and I have a feeling Jorginho might find the physicality of Premier League a bit of a struggle at first.

2.) 10 Aug 2018 07:00:11
I suspect they may struggle but more because they have a new manager and need to adapt to an entirely new system of play rather than because of their players. They still have Kante, Drinkwater, Fabregas, and others in midfield with plenty of experience to help keep things ticking over as he adapts.

I think their second half of the season might be better than the first.

3.) 10 Aug 2018 07:26:50
I am not worried by Chelsea 1 bit. Sorry but kepa is not on the same level as Courtios so they have weakened there. Jorginho will do well but only until he gets knocked around abit then I think he'll fade away morata is not good enough to win you a league title. Arsenal will do ok but still have a soft underbelly to the side. Spurs rely on Kane being on form for 38 games. Man United will always be up there especially with Jose boring he may be but still a very good manager. Liverpool rely on lovren not having an off day as I think he is the weakest of our best 11 not that he is weak but he is capable of an error. City wish they wasn't but they are a class apart and rightly favourite for the league.

4.) 10 Aug 2018 08:21:33
Realistically we can’t judge who had the best window until the players actually play some meaningful games for all teams. I’m sure there will be some so called big name signings struggling and others taking this season by storm. One thing for sure though I can’t wait for it to kick off. going to be a fantastic season in my opinion.

{Ed025's Note - i agree JK..

5.) 10 Aug 2018 08:29:15
I’m glad that Chelsea went and broke the transfer record for a goalkeeper as it takes some the pressure off of Alisson. But all in all we’ve had a great window.

6.) 10 Aug 2018 08:37:24
i think before the season has even started cardiff are relegated. its a shame.

7.) 10 Aug 2018 09:11:06
COD you say we rely on Lovren to not have a bad day but what about City with Stones and Otamendi? It’s unlikely Kompany will play all season and I’d take VVD and Lovren over Stones and Otamendi any day of the week.
I just hope teams exploit them this season instead of just accepting defeat against City.

{Ed025's Note - i dont think teams just roll over bobby, they cant do much when city are on the front foot as they have an excellent midfield and attack mate..

8.) 10 Aug 2018 09:11:32
Akrubbish not sure if it’s a shame mate. When you see how Warnock has Cardiff set up to play I think it will be for the good of the league for them to have only a short stay.

9.) 10 Aug 2018 10:37:04
Chelsea didn't get top 4 with courtouis, we got to champions league final with karius. That's the difference.

They still haven't replaced matic and costa. There 2 best players for me.

How do you sell those 2 after winning the title, who dismantled a title winning side 😂

So basically it's jorginho and kovacic. They will be good because of sarri but there no stronger imo.

And still have the same players that have decided not to play and get rid of 2 title winning manager's. Hazard just needs to get into a huff because how hard sarri wants him to work and go to Roman and say I'll stay if he goes.

THEY do it all the time. Jose and ant have found that out.

10.) 10 Aug 2018 11:39:42
I think everyone is underestimating Chelsea I expect they will do very well this season, I have them down for 3rd just behind us and city.



05 Aug 2018 18:47:55
Watching City and Chelsea in the community shield felt a bit like Liverpool vs Napoli. Chelsea were trying to press but City bypassed then easily and created chance after chance.

I predict it'll be Liverpool and City fighting it out for top spot, then Tottenham, Man Utd and Chelsea, depending on whether Sarri can get his players to adapt quickly and/ or Mourinho implodes, with Arsenal probably bringing up the rear as they have the weakest of the squads and a new manager.


1.) 05 Aug 2018 21:56:02
Utd have a good chance of winning the league. I hate to say it but they are well up there with a shout.

{Ed025's Note - say no to drugs..

2.) 05 Aug 2018 23:18:53
If Moanrihno does not get serious in life and focus on actually managing a squad of players like he's paid to do, the best ManU will get is just missing the Europa League.

{Ed002's Note - I guess how much you have been talking about him - he has won and nailed you all.}

3.) 06 Aug 2018 04:16:51
I agree with you Ed002, Jose seems to have succeeded in winding everyone up.
My crystal bowl tells me that TOP 4 will be City, Liverpool, United, Arsenal. Spurs and Chelsea to miss out. Of the remaining teams, Wolves and Brighton will do well vs expectations. Everton and Westham will disappoint.



05 Aug 2018 11:59:07
What I really liked about Napoli match was it showed how good Allison and VVD are when playing it out from the back. We looked so confident moving it through Allison, and then once a gap opened up, a few quick passes and we became incredibly dangerous as we broke their high press. Napoli got cut open time and time again.

I expect teams won't be very confident pressing high his season with those two able to launch attacks from the back. I suspect we may well see sides sitting back and showing the same sort of fear that they showed City last season.

Their problem is if they do so, I now think with our front three, Shaqiri and Keita able to score from distance, and VVD dangerous from set plays, we have the players to unlock packed defences too.

I think the best chance others are going to have is to turn games into a midfield scrap and break our flow. Will be interesting to see how others approach Liverpool this season.


1.) 05 Aug 2018 12:35:32
I know it’s only pre season, and my head says no, don’t get carried away, but Sturridge looks class every time he plays, always dangerous, knows when to run and when to drop and has so much ability. Maybe it’s dreaming but he seems he can be a top player for us still, maybe just off the striker - it’s a less ‘explosive’ Position, so hopefully less strain on his muscles. I’m sure a striker would train more pace and power than a midfielder who would train harder on endurance, maybe that will help too.

2.) 05 Aug 2018 13:00:09
I really like the positions he’s been adopting in preseason too - much more dropping deep to be playmaker and letting Mane and Salah get in behind, and yet he’s always there or there abouts when the cross comes in.

What he’s lacking is that explosive pace off the shoulder of the defender but we get that now through Mane and Salah, we don’t need it from him the way we used to.

I hope he can stay fit and focussed, he could be a big boost if he does.

3.) 05 Aug 2018 13:09:00
"If He stay Fit"
It will be like a new signing!

4.) 05 Aug 2018 13:55:40
Where we got exposed a few times against Napoli and were saved by the linesman was with their wide men getting in behind to Long balls. Sweeper keeper + high line may sort this out in the Long run but I would expect these runs in behind from wide to be a challenge early on in the season.

5.) 05 Aug 2018 16:47:12
Sturridge could be a valuable member of the squad, no question. He may not be that explosively quick striker of before but he has game intelligence and instinct, being in the right place at the right time, and that can be just as important as pace. I hope the lad is able to contribute, I have a lot of time for him.



04 Aug 2018 20:13:49
A few thoughts from the game

- I don't want to take too much away from the score, we beat Barcelona badly last pre-season, but this side is looking slick and passed the ball really well to beat Napoli's aggressive press when they did try to get back into the game
- Allison's distribution is awesome and looks so confident. Think he's going to be huge for us
- I hope TAA starts instead of Clyne, he immediately added something to the game
- same with Fabinho, want to see him start at base of midfield. Fabinho looked so composed on the ball and has fantastic range on his passing, with some really incisive balls going forward
- We look so well stocked in the forwards it's ridiculous. Mane and Salah looked as dangerous as ever and Sturridge seems to be working out how to play in our system without needing electric pace. Shaqiri looked dangerous too and keen to make a mark
- Solanke still looks short of confidence in front of goal though, I really like him but beginning to wonder if a loan would be better for the lad to come back next season with some game time in a professional league under his belt and some confidence

Almost there now lads. season starts in a week. Cracking performance tonight.


1.) 04 Aug 2018 20:23:54
The link up between Shaqiri and Trent was scary quick and sharp given the kid has only been back a week. They compliment each others game massively and the potential speedy overlaps and balls down the channels is ANOTHER good headache for Klopp.

2.) 04 Aug 2018 20:31:32
I wasn't able to watch the game so thank you mate!

3.) 04 Aug 2018 20:30:45
What a thunderbolt by Moreno! Oh, hello Ed. 025 😁.

{Ed025's Note - hello ArAy...even a broken clock is right twice a day mate..

4.) 04 Aug 2018 20:39:48
What I like the most about Shaqiri is that he can play anywhere across the front 3. Good cover/ rotation option for Bobby, Mane and Salah.

Bobby was way off the pace and I was surprised that he started. Since it was his first game back, I thought he should have gotten a cameo off the bench.

Keita was a bit tentative and sluggish in the 1st half but grew into the game. Can't expect him to be at 100% after that neck injury. Hopefully both of them get back up to speed in the next week or so.

We have a great squad with strength in depth all over the pitch. Absolutely buzzing for this season!

5.) 04 Aug 2018 21:12:31
Still pre season, but that was lovely to watch. The players we’ve bought seem to naturally suit our system and might not need much of a bedding in process. The exception is probably Fabinho, but it’s very much a case of just getting used to the system ala Ox. Never been this excited for a season.

6.) 04 Aug 2018 22:32:24
SG Red.

Pretty much agree with everything you said mate. very excited for the season to commence as well.

Clyne's bar has been set for a while now, for me i'd prefer to sell if a good offer came in, but I have to say he seemed to be at least trying to hold his own, which is more than i can say for recent seasons gone by. I think his defensive side is fairly reasonable, adequate i suppose. but going forward he has literally offered nothing before this season. When under pressure he seems to panic and allows possession to be turned over very often. To me he seemed a little bit more eager tonight.

Don't get me wrong, I'd start Trent over him all day long.

7.) 04 Aug 2018 23:39:28
Don't get me wrong, I think TAA is our first choice RB but if Clyne made the mistakes TAA did when he came on he'd be crucified.

I thought TAA was off the peace myself. Needs a couple weeks.

8.) 05 Aug 2018 04:20:16
Cheers Smallsy, I agree and I’ve never been as down as some others on his defence, it’s his attack that bothers me. Trent got forward really well with some overlapping runs and we now have the passers in the team to release him. His crosses are also far more dangerous.

Yes he made a glaring mistake defensively Faith but the lads just come back. Clyne has those in him too and he gave away possession in dangerous spots at least 2-3 times that I saw. One header he made under no pressure at all he gave straight to their attacker in a dangerous spot.




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21 Aug 2018 08:42:56
I still feel really sorry for Karius - maybe he was not at Alissons standard but he helped stabilise us last year until the final and didn’t deserve anything like the abuse those scumbags gave him. Nobody should ever have their life or worth judged by one game of football.

I sincerely hope he doesn’t associate all Liverpool ‘fans’ the same way and he goes on be successful and to look past that one game and to cherish some of the wonderful matches he played in for us and helped create. I sincerely believe we would never have even gotten to the final without him.

YNWA Karius, wishing you all the best.




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20 Aug 2018 06:39:04
I think you’re actually right Ed, he was probably asking about the contract 😂

Have a good day mate.


{Ed001's Note - I need to save that, to remember this moment when I was right. It might never happen again!}



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20 Aug 2018 05:03:24
I think they just mentioned for the season. Think this is a good arrangement, a year in bunderleague playing will be good for the lad. Hope he does well as competition in our midfield is too fierce for him to get game time.


{Ed001's Note - I thought he was asking about the new contract not the loan sorry. The loan is for the season.}



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17 Aug 2018 12:24:39
If true then good luck to him, I always felt he gave his all and was one of our more dependable CBs in a shaky defence before we brought in VVD.




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09 Aug 2018 17:40:19
Good move for both. Hopefully he gets plenty of game time and it sets the path for a permanent move having proved his fitness. Good luck to the lad.

Maybe we’ll keep Origi until Jan when Brewster hopefully fit again and Sturridge has proven he can stay fit? Wouldn’t want Solanke to be our only backup striker.





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20 Sep 2018 10:14:41
All are winnable, but at best I would guess the likelihood of any one win comes in at maybe 60% on average. That would make winning them extremely unlikely as if my memory of basic stats serves me right it would only be about 10% chance of coming in with 5 out of 5.

Of course there are plenty that would tear my arbitrary choice of 60% apart, but the point is, the likelihood of one win is not the same as winning all of them. Let’s take it one game at a time.




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19 Sep 2018 07:26:00
Whether we win or not this year, it’s still been a massive step forward to get the squad to where it is now, we are right in the mix at the top of world club football again and fearing for no-one. It’s a sight to behold and I’m loving it.




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17 Sep 2018 12:26:12
‘Goal difference will certainly play a big part? ’

It’s only played a big part twice in the last 50 years or so Perception. that’s a big call mate, and I don’t think we should be setting our strategy in September to be playing for goal difference just yet!




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17 Sep 2018 12:16:24
And we have the likes for Xherdan, Fabinho and Sturridge chomping at the big. Klopp has been smart to keep them keen and not rotating for the sake of it. Time for them to prove their worth and an opportunity for them to challenge the incumbents rather than feeling like they will get free game time just because they’re there.




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17 Sep 2018 09:53:40
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that we changed our CB and the first deliver into the box went unchallenged!

I agree if Klopp wants a taller RB to defend the box then why not get Fabinho into RB instead?