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07 Feb 2018 11:45:06
Ed01 did I miss your match review?

SGRed

{Ed001's Note - no mate, having comp problems and it is really holding it up as I have to reboot regularly.}


1.) 07 Feb 2018 13:05:08
Thought I missed it too, was kinda bummed about it!


2.) 07 Feb 2018 13:23:12
Lol that can't be easy running a site with 1000's of fans posting daily.

Mk himself must be on 50 a day.


3.) 07 Feb 2018 16:02:06
Cheers mate - look forward to it but especially this time!

Curious as to whether you thought that first goal was offside in your interpretation. To me the rules are pretty clear, as it was as a clear deflection, which is not considered playing the ball (ie. he never had possession or any control) . In addition the ball was clearly played to Kane directly from his own player when in an offside position and no-one else could have been the receiver. That immediately puts him offside if he moves to receive it, and he doesn’t even have to touch it as per FIFA’s own website (which has a guide on this point) so the minute he gains an advantage after that then he’s done for.

The Kane dive and Lamela offside and simulation are pretty clear in my view. I know I’m not the most impartial commentator on this but I think Lamela in particular was poor.


4.) 07 Feb 2018 20:14:14
I don't smoke 😂.


 

 

02 Feb 2018 13:10:02
Great review Ed - a few thoughts to add

- Agree wholeheartedly on you comment on Gomez. Klopp has played this way before with Gomez almost forming a back 3, pushing Robertson up, and then a midfielder (was Milner before if I remember correctly, this time Can) pushing over to the right to create the width as required. To my mind it makes the most of the teams strengths so hope we continue to use this strategy.
- I also noticed for much of the first half though we almost had Hendo and Can as a double pivot at times, and when one stepped forward Milner dropped back so really smart movement from the midfield which made it harder for them to track players
- Hendo was also very very sharp on the ball and every time it went through him he added a bit of zip, hope he remains fit through the rest of the season
- likewise agree 100% on Firminos goal - he completed duped Lossl by not once looking like he was going to even consider a shot, he was always looking towards the spot which I'm sure contributed to the keeper drifting off his post. superb skill
- think a back 5 of Karius, Robertson, VVD, Lovren, Gomez will be a tougher nut than people think over next couple of months. If Hendo in midfield can stay fit, there's plenty to play for.

SGRed

{Ed001's Note - agreed mate.}


1.) 02 Feb 2018 19:28:34
I agree, Smeg esp. on your back 5. The system you speak of, is what we have been using and what got us unbeaten in 18 games. It is cos our boys are that good enough to play that system in defence and midfield which makes us very difficult to penetrate and very difficult to contain offensively even tho, the odd error here and there could happen.

I also saw at times Can playing a hybrid CM and RWB which explains where his goal came from and those dimes he was dropping for Mane who unfortunately, could not finish them. Hendo and Milner also played well as a pivot, filling the spaces whenever our FB's and CB's stepped forward. Not all teams can play the way we play, by the way.

Booby's goal was sublime. He gave the GK and defenders the eyes long enough and fooled them completely. The GK can't do better here cos he was simply out-thought and out-foxed.


 

 

23 Jan 2018 14:35:19
It's funny how so many posters are livid the team seemed so complacent in the match, when just the day before so many were predicting a 5-0 thrashing.

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1.) 23 Jan 2018 14:41:43
The thing is SG, we should have beaten them 5-0. We played them a month ago and beat them 5-0, we scored 4 past the champions elect last week and missed a few sitters. They were bottom of the league, 5-0 was a realistic prediction. We just didn’t turn up.


2.) 23 Jan 2018 15:03:49
We should have beaten them, I agree, and the team didn’t turn up for sure. I just find it ironic everyone’s accusing the team of the exact behavior they were exhibiting themselves just a day before.


3.) 23 Jan 2018 15:18:15
Ron, its much harder playing the teams at the bottom of the league particularly with a manager change. Give them the credit they due, they had a good plan to stop our own game and they executed it perfectly. Move on.


4.) 23 Jan 2018 15:18:30
It was only 1-0 at half time at Anfield though, and guess who got the vital breakthrough?
The first goal is often key in games such as these, score and the opposition have to come out more.
I don't get that people are saying we should have been 3 up last night, they weren't even half chances.

The lack of creativity was a real worry, and set pieces were mostly dire.
That would have been Coutinho's forte, though let's not forget he is injured anyway.


5.) 23 Jan 2018 15:38:12
There is no one in the team who can conjure up that moment of magic or has the vision that Coutinho has. Considering his stats were comparable to DeBruyne (in 8 less appearances), those are big boots to fill. As soon as they went 1-0 up they knew they could literally stick ten men behind the ball and we had nothing to hit them with.


6.) 23 Jan 2018 16:07:01
The fans complancency on these pages have absolutely no meaning to the players, most of whom probably don't know this place exists.


7.) 23 Jan 2018 16:28:16
We struggled to beat the park the bus even with pc so nothing has changed we have had a good run just one dip hopefully back on track next game keep the faith.


8.) 23 Jan 2018 17:36:02
Let's just call it a 'blip'.
We're still in a good position to secure a top four finish.
We're still in the Champions League.
West Brom will probably use the same tactics at Anfield on Saturday. but I'm confident we'll bounce back and beat them.
Then we'll play some scintillating football and sweep Spurs aside. 😀.


9.) 23 Jan 2018 18:20:59
Because we win 5-0 in the home fixture doesn’t give us the god given right to win by the same margin in the away fixture. Two different times, venues, opposition managers, tactics. two completely different games! We are allowed to lose, teams are allowed to beat us. Move on. We didn’t get hammered, we got beat 1-0 it was one of them nights, and wevare on a 10 game losing streak, we are not in the midst of a crisis no need to overact. Disappointed yes but that’s the beauty of Football.


10.) 23 Jan 2018 19:54:20
Every match has it's own story and revelationsand if people do not understand that fundamental point in sports in general not just football then they should quit discussing or watching sports/ football altogether cos they will remain disappointed for literally no reason.


11.) 23 Jan 2018 20:25:58
My point is those saying “0-5” had plenty of justification and were not simply being arrogant.


 

 

16 Jan 2018 13:28:04
With Hendos injuries seemingly making it difficult to play a full season, and Can potentially leaving, we look very short at no.6. Milners subbing into that role over the weekend was hardly a comforting move and clearly impacted our defensive shape

1) Do you think keita can play there effectively and would he potentially cover the no. 6 role next season if Hendo gets injured? (and has he ever done so before? It feels like he could do so IMO given his strength in the tackle but not so sure on his defensive read of the game)

2) If not, then if Can leaves us would that potentially change our midfield targets for the summer to go for a more specialist no.6 as a backup, or is Klopp happy with allrounders covering the position?

Feels like we're relying heavily on Hendos fitness record and him playing an awful lot of games if Can leaves and Keita can't play in that position.

Thoughts?

SGRed

1.) 16 Jan 2018 13:44:08
My opinion, we don't have a specialist DM in the team. if we can get someone who is good in reading the ball and can protect the back 4, then we can unleash Hendo and Kieta in the more advance role. team will not know what hit them. They will constantly pressure the opponent and win the ball back in good position. So i think a specialist DM is a must, but again don't know what Klopp wants.


2.) 16 Jan 2018 13:38:35
Keita can play there, but he is very attack minded so can be caught out of position if there is a rapid turnover and he can't get back in time.

I wouldn't worry too much if we had Ox, Keita and Lemar as they're all willing to put in a shift defensively. Keita and Lenar won't happen this month though from the looks of it, but we have Can, Henderson, Gini and Lallana to see us through the rest of the season anyway.


3.) 16 Jan 2018 13:40:31
It is likely that in the summer, if Klopp doesn't want to start utilizing Grujic in that area pretty much full time or become confident that Hendo is fully over his injury issues, we will see a deeper lying play-maker type player sought.


4.) 16 Jan 2018 13:40:46
I totally agree SGRed, that's why im hoping we are going to bring someone in over the next 2weeks.


5.) 16 Jan 2018 13:42:37
I have seen Keita play as a holding midfielder and as a box to box player. If Can goes, Klopp will buy someone else as well. IMO Keita is being brought to be an all action midfielder with end product.


6.) 16 Jan 2018 13:56:13
Lucas wasn’t replaced. I know he was past his best and needed to move on, but we were generally better at managing the game when he was in the team, with his calmness on the ball and simple accurate passing. We don’t seem to be able to do that with the players we have now. What I wouldn’t give to see a younger Lucas coming off the bench when leading.


7.) 16 Jan 2018 13:47:32
Well Keita could play a number of roles. He isn’t a traditional DM. But very good in breaking up of play. He is a top class tackler in the middle. His biggest strength however is going forward. He can skip past players for fun. I wouldn’t play him deep! It’s a waste of his talent.
If Can does leave then I expect Klopp to buy a midfielder. I don’t know who ( we could just speculate ) but it has to be another all action all rounder and certainly not a specialist!

I simply don’t see a future for both Hendo and Lallana beyond this summer ( AOC is giving both of them a real fight for their spot ) while we would also bring in a creative playmaker to replace Coutinho in the summer.
Klopp will certainly feel he could go on for the title next season if he could get a few players!

Thanks.


 

 

15 Jan 2018 06:24:52
Some interesting stats on the season so far.

Goals in the PL, CL and assists

Jesus 8 + 2 = 10 goals total + 2 assists
Aguero 13 + 3 = 16 total + 5 assists
Firmino 10 + 6 = 16 total + 8 assists
Lukaku 10 + 4 = 14 total + 4 assists
Morata 10 + 1 = 11 total + 4 assists
Kane 20 + 6 = 26 total + 3 assists
Lacazette 8 in PL + 3 assists

I think hopefully the comments on here about Firmino not being a proper striker and needing a true no.9 are slowly being put to bed! Hi goal last night was pure class.

SGRed

1.) 15 Jan 2018 06:29:18
He actually has 7 CL goals, because he scored in qualifying against Hoffenheim!


2.) 15 Jan 2018 07:07:38
No-one doubts his quality, I think some, including myself, doubt his natural goal scoring ability. Having a good season this year though and brings the other into play so well I think any concerns have been dropped, again including by myself.


3.) 15 Jan 2018 07:21:02
Morata is having a poor season.

{Ed001's Note - that's unfair, he was playing really well initially, he is having a dip in form now though. To be fair to the lad, he has never played anything like as many minutes in so short a time before in his career. Like most players suddenly given a long run of games he is struggling. Oh and he is still scoring goals with his head, it is just his feet that seem to have forgotten what to do.}


4.) 15 Jan 2018 07:27:24
Firmino is still not a striker. Everything he did yesterday was that of one of the world's best number 10s. If he moved there permanent behind a striker he will make Barcelona shoot themselves for taking the wrong Brazilian.

Hes one of the best players in the world but still and alright striker.

Maybe why the club are pushing for that French international.

{Ed001's Note - you mean like when he ran onto a throughball and outmuscled Stones before a delightful goal was that of a number 10? Number 10s play the throughballs, not run onto them!}


5.) 15 Jan 2018 07:37:20
I am sick and tired of having to defend The Bobbie dazzler on these boards. Truly sick. Winston and Westwood, let it go. Firmino is not a natural goalscorer. So what? Who gives two F's? The guy is doing all the things that natural forwards can't and won't do at the same time, he's scoring goals and assisting as well. Morata, Kane, Lukaku would be useless in our system and that much is clear. He is as strong as an ox, selfless, a team player and has the energy to occupy a whole back line by himself. He is on pace for 35 goals in all comps this season. Also, did I mention how he tracked back and tackled Aguero at the edge of his own box? Look, you are free to question whatever you like. The rest of us ill just sit back and watch The Bobbie Dazzler continue to dazzle us.


6.) 15 Jan 2018 07:45:45
That goal was pure beauty seemed to take an eternity to hit the net mind but absolute quality.


7.) 15 Jan 2018 07:46:52
Most significant thing though is not on your list - Salah’s totals. Firmino has already equalled his best scoring performance for the club and we’re in January. Salah has outscored him and maybe that has taken some pressure off, both off RF to be main goal scorer and removes some attention on the pitch to give him space. Hopefully Coutinho leaving won’t put pressure back to add more goals.


8.) 15 Jan 2018 08:11:16
His position is just his position. Who cares what you want to call him but he’s a great attacking player and happy to have him.
Don’t get hung up on positions too much.


9.) 15 Jan 2018 08:56:17
What is a natural goalscorer? Firmino scores plenty of goals, has a perfectly acceptable shots per goal ratio, and I'm pretty sure he's natural not artificial. Is there some criteria that I'm missing here?


10.) 15 Jan 2018 09:00:11
Firmino? Hell of a player and Klopp has him playing in the correct position for "system and style" that Liverpool play. All this "not a real number 9 of forward" needs to be put to bed.


11.) 15 Jan 2018 10:10:30
Ed are you sure you want to stick with that?

He wouldn't of scored that if he was a number ten? Is that a joke.

You had the luck like the rest of us in watching Gerrard destroy teams from that very 10 position with goals exactly the same as firmino yesterday.

Firmino is one of the best players in the world for me. The pressing is a joke. The skill is delightful and the goals are a nice plus.

In more tight defending games there is problems when he is chasing the ball back to win it (which is brilliant) except that when he finally wins it the pass to the striker isn't on because he is the striker in the wrong part of the field.

Firmino always kicks ass in games like that. Always. It's a dead cert.

It's the tighter games where he could do with being behind someone to be able to do what he loves and let some other muppet take the job up top.

{Ed001's Note - Gerrard didn't score goals like that, he burst through on the edge of the box backing up play, not ahead of it. I really don't know what you saw but you clearly need to refresh your memory of Gerrard's play.}


12.) 15 Jan 2018 14:02:54
Brover, I thought I you need to re-read my post. As you say I’m free to question what I want, so I will, but in the same vein Iv made it quite clear in that post that iv been proven wrong by what he brings to the team via him playing up top. I’m simply pointing why some would have an ongoing issue.


 

 

 

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17 Feb 2018 11:33:50
Is it likely they open talks then exit within 24 hours?

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13 Feb 2018 15:53:22
He’s already said the situation is different - I’m pretty sure we won’t be rotating.

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13 Feb 2018 08:07:42
That was so bad I had to Pinchi myself. we could do this all day!

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13 Feb 2018 06:57:20
Agree 100% ak - we have plenty of bodies, if any concern it’s they are all very similar (hard working, but neither defensively minded or regular goal scorers - especially Gini, Milner. The jury is still out on Ox) .

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13 Feb 2018 03:40:34
My concern with that midfield is we lack any natural deep midfielders should Hendo get injured. I’d be happy to see Ndidi come in. In the box to box role we are fine with Keita and Gini, forward we have Lallana and Ox (although Ox needs to score more IMO)

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24 Feb 2018 12:32:30
We are sometimes prone to slip ups but increasingly rarely, and even less so at home.

I’m going for a 2-0.

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22 Feb 2018 18:55:23
Your original post is the very definition of giving up.

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22 Feb 2018 16:33:35
Pogba, Mata, Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial, Rashford

Poor Jose, he must be so upset at not having enough attacking talent to make a real game of it.

Are we seriously suggesting that group isn’t talented enough to make top 4 in the hands of anyone other than Jose?

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22 Feb 2018 00:51:12
‘Technically homeless’ ie. staying at the Ritz again Ed?

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{Ed033's Note - The Ritz yes, Illuminati meeting i think


 

 

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20 Feb 2018 13:55:51
I agree he shouldn’t have lashed out but if it’s true he was spat at, then frankly I’m not surprised. They’re professionals but they’re also humans and there’s no excuse for surrounding, taunting and spitting at players if it’s true, I defy you, however professional you are, to keep your cool if that’s what happened.

Frankly the behaviour from both sets of fans was deplorable.

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