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13 Nov 2018 19:20:45
Hi Eds I don't know wether you talk about it but what's the situation with Daniel Sturridge? Alan Brazil said this morning that the word is he may have talked about his proposed move to West Brom. I find this crazy that footballer can't talk about his life without people betting on it. Obviously I don't know the full story. Cheers eds.

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{Ed002's Note - Players are expected to avoid all involvement in any activity that could lead to gambling. I don't know the details.}

13 Nov 2018 19:34:35
Cheers ed002 hopefully he doesn't get a ban, could well end his career.

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13 Nov 2018 19:34:35
Cheers ed002 hopefully he doesn't get a ban, could well end his career.

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{Ed002's Note - The second charge could well result in a ban if found guilty.}

13 Nov 2018 16:59:02
I for one cannot understand the negativity about how we are playing considering the healthy position we have found ourselves in this season.

Bloody hell, we are not seeing the mother of it all fast paced action this season we are used to but maybe Klopp saw a shining light bulb and realised that leaving a GK exposed will perhaps see us collecting more points. Enough said.

Alisson has improved us on a vulcanic scale but does not mean he would have conceded less than what he has seeing a team ahead of him leaving him exposed.

The football we saw last season was simply mouthwatering to watch but it shows that Klopp is not a one trick pony and willing to make changes.

The fact that we are only 2 points off of City speaks volumes compared to LFC figting for 4th last season at the same stage after 12 games :-o.

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13 Nov 2018 18:13:08
We are 12 games in and not really playing well.
4 of those games we were lucky in.
Another 4 could quite easily gone on to loose.
I can understand comments like yours, but you have to be realistic and ask up to what point can u go and not play well? We are a a third in to the season, how long do you realistically expect to keep this not playing well but only 2 points behind city mantra?

The wheels will come off and then we will be far more than 2 points behind, then what will we say?

City are excellent and worse is other teams are afraid to go there and play them.
Also do honestly believe they are worried by our stuttering form?

I do not belive in the WC syndrome at all. If anything, when you play at the WC you are even more ampted up to do well, both in that competition but also in the league.

It also shoild not take 12 games for a very good coach like Klopp to realise what is the issue and apply a fix to it.

Another issue is that as time progresses and this stuttering form presists, then players will become more and more anxious in games which causes more stress and more probability to loose.

I don't belive we have been play this poor by design, I think there is something wrong that does need to addressed as soon as possible.

It is not about being negative bit it is also not about being blindley optimist over how we are playing.

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13 Nov 2018 18:25:12
We are playing well, our league position proves that, we are just playing differently to last season, more professionally.
I remember united winning the title several times especially in fergies later years by playing professional, grinding out results week after week, I don’t remember them playing so called heavy metal football, smashing teams 6-5 every week.
Last year we had pretty football, this year we have a title challenge.

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13 Nov 2018 18:30:16
Very well said Mikey.

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13 Nov 2018 18:33:32
The fact that you can say the wheels will come off just shows the level of fans we have.

I can understand if we were midtable and all hope lost but this season has brought out the true Liverpool fan. One of LFC deserve it all :-o.

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13 Nov 2018 18:46:24
Red kurd, well said you have stated exactly my thoughts to perfection. You managed to sum up all my posts this season in one go.
Well said good sir, its good to see I am not the only one that feels we are very fortunate to be in 2nd place.
Ive said before but really see Arsenal doing really well and taking our 2nd place.

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{Ed025's Note - thats all we need...another walter.. :)

13 Nov 2018 18:46:58
I wouldn't say negativity I would say expectations of how well we know we can play. You can still be solid at the back and move the ball quicker up front and take teams apart.

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13 Nov 2018 18:47:03
Red Kurd, you don't know if the wheels will fall off so no need posting absolutist stuff. That's just the reality. Now, we can all agree that we need to improve so that to me, is not in dispute. What is in dispute is how people just lose their stuff cos we did not beat Fulham 5-0. That is just crazy. They seem to forget that we struggled last season as well at this point BUT the diff. is that we are 12 points better off, with a GK of epic talent and a much better defence. Our boys are also very effective and efficient in their play even tho, they must improve. Also, the football we played last season brought us NO title challenge for the reasons and we finished the season on our knees physically. That type of football will not win you the PL cos it is unsustainable over a long period and Klopp has realized that.

Maxlfc, the reason why I thin, people are going overboard is cos they are obsessed with City and judge everything we do thru the prism of what City is doing. I have said it before, if people want to do that then that is a choice they have chosen to make so they should not be surprised if they are losing their marbles cos we don't win games the way City does. Personally, I don't care about them and in fact, we are out to take their crown so we need to focus on ourselves, improve our shortcomings and go from there. People may not think we can do it and that is fine. Klopp thinks we can and I'm riding with him till the end. YNWA!

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13 Nov 2018 18:52:23
Resoecgt all opinion as always but the post from Red Kurd must be a wind up surely?
We are second and yet your still unhappy you do realise there is only one team above us right in the table
So if we can play this bad in your well informed opinion and still be seocnd then what happens when we start playing well?
Some people will always find the misery in happiness which is sad tbh.

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13 Nov 2018 18:54:18
If Bobby n Mane pull their finger out and start playing, the "form" will look a lot better.

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13 Nov 2018 19:03:05
John, I think Walter made a second account mate ;) .

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13 Nov 2018 19:05:33
Max your comments are bordering on being silly.
My comments are aimed at the fact there is nothing wrong with aiming for perfection.
Do you think Pep, Jose or Sari or even Fregi back in the day would put
Do you think any of them would be content with this stuttering?
Do you not think it would be fixed by now if it was any of them?

How can you say we are playing well when there has been at least 4 games we could have lost and 4 games where we had luck on our side?

Been supporting LFC since a long time and fans like me - who care enough to actually want to win every game and win in style will always demand perfection and nothing else.
Why be content and settle for 2nd place or third place oe any other apart from winning the league.

Do you think in our current form we will win the league?

Why can we not tey to do better?
Whats wrong with that?
Always aiming to improve.

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{Ed025's Note - although its negative you do make some valid points red kurd..

13 Nov 2018 19:12:45
Does not seem like Walter is getting it all when it comes to his corn flakes in the morning.

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13 Nov 2018 19:23:29
I think we could all benefit from a little bit of nuance.

Yes, we're in a very good position, but it isn't completely unreasonable to be concerned that the performances haven't been great and to worry that we may get punished if we continue to play like that. It's kinda gone beyond a slow start at this point.

Equally, there's no need to go overboard with doom and gloom because we haven't blown teams away. And I think any negativity is partially influenced by the performances of Man City as much as our own. If they weren't there with the expectation that they're going to drop sod all points, or were at the level they were at 2-3 years ago, I think we'd be a lot less worried.

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13 Nov 2018 19:23:54
I’m interested Red Kurd genuinely. What 4 games could we have lost? And what 4 games did we have luck on our side? I’ll bet you in every single one I could give you a counter argument.
Point is if you think negatively you will always see the negative in every game and say ‘but if that had gone in we could’ve lost’.
Try just enjoying it mate you’ll live longer.

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13 Nov 2018 19:29:57
Whilst I agree that you can always improve if you are only happy with perfection then you will be unhappy most of your life. We are currently second with our best ever start to a premier league season and the 10th best premier league start of all time. Some of the complaints on here sound like a hysterical child!

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{Ed025's Note - no argument from me there kramer..

13 Nov 2018 19:31:12
Put it this way, I’d rather be winning 1-0 or 2-0 as apposed 5-4 with a shoddy defence. The great Liverpool sides of the 70’s and 80’s were built on a solid defence.

These scrappy wins actually shows how far we’ve come defensively compared to last season, in fact even longer, for as long as I can remember since Hodgson was at the helm.

As for the World Cup, for me it has had an effect, not so much fatigue but not having a proper pre season together, folk seem underestimate the importance of pre season.

Plus, the team has been set up differently, not so gung ho with the press etc, I actually think we’ve done well!

I think Ed001 mentioned that the team are now looking to get back into the pressing style of last season.

Yes we’ve been lucky at times but so has every team that have won the league in recent years.

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13 Nov 2018 19:22:41
Rekurdle, I said nothing about playing well. In which way do you want us to improve?

Winning each match?

*Evil laugh*.

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13 Nov 2018 14:21:37
Question to ED01 if you're around. As the season moves on do you see the team sheet becoming more of a 4-2-3-1 with Salah up front? To me our attack has looked better in a games where he has been up front. Or, will we use different variations depending on the opposition?

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{Ed001's Note - it will carry on being the latter. Klopp has learnt to suit the formation to the opposition.}

13 Nov 2018 17:28:40
Does the formstion really matter?

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13 Nov 2018 18:48:37
Not really, Maxlfc. It never has and people keep getting hung up on it for reasons I still cannot fathom.

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13 Nov 2018 20:54:15
My question was a general question as to seeing how the team setup might look moving forward. I am not "hung up" on anything. However, last year we ran out of the 433 and that has changed this year. Sorry to have inconvenienced your toilet reading time.

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13 Nov 2018 11:32:39
I see Joe Cole has announced his retirement.
Played over 700 games apparently.
Not bad for one that was perpetually injured.
Could’ve been a great or found his level?

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13 Nov 2018 13:15:11
Certainly wasnt a great in a red shirt. Was it Stevie G who said that Cole was as good as Ronaldinho?

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13 Nov 2018 15:11:29
I remember being very excited when we signed him. He then went on to get sent off in the first game. Classic.

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13 Nov 2018 17:01:40
Joe who? Eden Hazard beta mk1 you mean?

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13 Nov 2018 18:26:21
I thought he had retired years ago 🙈.

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13 Nov 2018 18:56:05
I thought he was still injured.

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Liverpool v Fulham - A Liverpool Perspective

13 Nov 2018 11:08:14
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool v Fulham - A Liverpool Perspective

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13 Nov 2018 13:16:03
I thought it was just me saw that Chambers tackle. It was absolutely shocking.

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13 Nov 2018 13:57:07
Cheers Ed001, good review. Wijnaldum's place in the starting 11 might be up for grabs if he doesn't reclaim his early season form.

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{Ed001's Note - he is so frustrating, so much talent but so little of it used each game.}

13 Nov 2018 14:32:21
Quality as always, cheers Ed mate.

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{Ed001's Note - welcome and so glad MKS saw the Chambers assault too. I was beginning to think I dreamt it as I have not seen it mentioned.}

13 Nov 2018 15:19:38
2 feet off the ground with studs up and nowhere near the ball. Straight red card in any era.

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13 Nov 2018 15:30:55
Outside the PSG game and the first half against Southampton, feels like we've breezed through most of our wins. The team does just enough to win. Hardly gotten out of 2nd gear, which I believe will be good for the 2nd half of the season.

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{Ed025's Note - not getting out of second gear is not really a trait to be proud of mate, i would like to think players would give 100% all of the time realtofel..

13 Nov 2018 16:04:17
I’m not sure how you deduce that realtofel?
Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City games were full on. A couple of other always too.
We’re not playing the gegenpress perhaps but still had some hard-fought results.
December looks very busy, we’ll probably be thanking Klopp for the change of approach come New Year?

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13 Nov 2018 16:10:10
Cheers for that ed, missed the game through working. Great review mate. Have a good one.

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13 Nov 2018 19:09:38
The Juicer, I said our "wins", we didn't win any of those games though we played full throttle.
Seems like they're saving their energies for the big games cos we can win the others while playing at 80-85%.
And that should make them fresh in the 2nd half of the season.
My opinion anyway.

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{Ed025's Note - i would say you should never take your foot off the gas realtofel, for one it breeds contempt, and just possibly the league could come down to goal difference mate..

13 Nov 2018 19:13:18
Spot on, Ed. The Chambers tackle was shocking. It also seems like the refs are either blind or are plainly getting things wrong on this topic. In the Chelsea/ Everton game, Jorginho should have been sent off as well with that two footed challenge on Gylfi's ankle.

As for your review, there were a couple of hairy moments in the game BUT overall, it was a very professional performance with a clean sheet and 3 points being the main focus. Hopefully, we can get better and be more consistent in games now after the int'l break.

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13 Nov 2018 10:20:50
Does anyone think kepa has showed he's better than Alison so far? For me he's been more solid but been tested less and had less highlights too.

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13 Nov 2018 10:31:32
I don't get you. More solid but tested less?

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13 Nov 2018 10:33:18
Not really. Although VVD has buffed up our defence since his arrival, it's Alisson's instalment as number one that's really restored a sense of calm and security to our backline, which has created a platform for the way we now play. At the same time, sure, Alisson hasn't really been tested much but he's also made some vital saves (the immediate one I can think of is the Hazard one-on-one) . Kepa, on the other hand, has shown he's a good keeper with a lot of potential but his impact has not been anywhere near as powerful as Alisson's.

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13 Nov 2018 10:58:18
This makes no sense I'm afraid mate, especially when you consider they've conceded more than us!

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13 Nov 2018 11:05:15
Kepa has made no mistakes leading to goals alisson has made atleast 1 and others where I belive he should've made the save. Kepa hasn't been tested as much as alisson but so far has done nothing wrong. The reason kepa hasn't had the impact Alisson has is because he was replacing a really good outgoing keeper meaning it was what they expected whereas we had karius leave and were expecting better. We've got better because of alisson but Chelsea have stayed the same replacing courtois with kepa. Which is the harder bar to meet?

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13 Nov 2018 11:44:20
Sadly we don't give goal keepers time to settle into the team like we do with out field players. Fans getting on like Alisson has been brilliant every week r wrong. He's been ok, could do better i would say. But he's only new to the English game so I'd give him more time before I judge him.

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13 Nov 2018 11:59:04
I couldn't give a toss. I'm delighted with Allison so far.

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13 Nov 2018 12:20:10
Such eloquence 🙄 obviously a meaningful debate was too much to ask for such a shame the eds provide such a good platform and its wasted on some fans.

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13 Nov 2018 12:34:09
Nun

Keepers will always make mistakes here and there.

Despite a couple of mistakes allison has also made some important saves too.

Two really good one on ones at chelsea spring to mind.

Wouldnt swap him for anyone. He is even better than i thought he was. He has slotted in pretty good and will only get better as he gets older. His attitude is spot on too. He is a big part of all those clean sheets.

Our defence as a whole is looking very solid. Taa is having a bit of a wobble at the moment but i think that's more to do with the constant midfield rotation than anything else.

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13 Nov 2018 12:36:35
We have conceded 5 league goals. 5! Alisson is top class don't worry about any other team's Kepa!

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13 Nov 2018 12:54:39
I think there's a good debate here. Most just don't entirely agree with you, Nun. That's all.

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13 Nov 2018 13:07:15
I think 87Red was meaning that it doesn't really matter who is better. Alisson is a vast improvement on what we had already, that's been obvious from game 1, and we've had far more clean sheets than last season, it would seem.

Kepa is a good goalie from what i've seen, but he replaced a good goalie, so the impact was always going to be lessened.

Can't say that Kepa is better or worse than Courtois, as I haven't seen much of him, but I would state categorically that Alisson is better than Courtois.

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13 Nov 2018 13:20:57
Kepa not fit to tie Alisson's boots in my opinion.

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13 Nov 2018 16:11:09
Allison has been excellent at what he does so far this season. Couldn’t care less about any other keeper apart from Degea, hope he leaves united- by his own standards I reckon he’s below his usual quality yet still by a mile he’s the best keeper in the world.

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13 Nov 2018 16:12:17
Hiya Nun red, not sure why you complaining about the responses you got, I think the replies were decent with valid points. I think Kepa been as good as Allison and Allison been as good as Kepa, I think Leno of Arsenal been decent as well. Every goalkeeper, even the greats make 4 or 5 mistakes a season, unfortunate for them their mistakes are often costly, where a defender can get away with a mistake a game that goes un-noticed.

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13 Nov 2018 16:13:12
Alisson simply exudes confidence when he is on the field. You don't see hesitation, you don't see any dithering whatsoever, he sweeps and distributes very effectively and the fundamentals of goalkeeping are all well covered. In my opinion he's better than Reina, and only time will show if he is as good as Clemence. In regards to the comparison with Kepa, I think it's too early to say. Both Gks play with top teams with very good defences. We'd be able to tell only after both have been really and truly tested and that still has not happened.

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13 Nov 2018 16:27:43
Alisson didn’t cost any points with his error against Leicester and he has won us points with his save against Brighton and he set up then move for the first goal against Fulham.

We almost could say that we have a goalie and 11 outfield players. pretty happy with that.

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13 Nov 2018 17:11:54
Liverpool have more clean sheets if I’m correct and also consider Allison has created goals from his distribution. Whoever is the better keeper, I’m quite satisfied with our No.1. With a tip off from Sturridge on this one, I would bet that he would’ve saved that cheeky little CL Final goal.

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13 Nov 2018 19:18:17
Nun, I was asking myself the very question you posted and frankly, I don't know if he is better than Allison or vice versa. Kepa has conceded goals this season BUT he has not been at fault for any of them and like many have said, he has not been tested that much so that is more credit to the way Sarri sets the team up and plays than it is Kepa's ability, IMO. I am happy with Allison and even tho, he will make mistakes as all GK's do, his mistakes will be few and far between and most importantly, he will keep us in games which is what we ask for, in the main.

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13 Nov 2018 03:48:57
Ed2.what is your view on Dortmund manager. how good is he as a manager. just a question.

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{Ed002's Note - nice guy but miserable. Great CIA h.}

12 Nov 2018 23:12:45
There's something that I've always wondered about. Do managers get drug tested?

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{Ed002's Note - maybe they should do.}

Review Of The Day 13th November 2018

13 Nov 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 13th November 2018

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13 Nov 2018 07:52:29
Morning Ed, I want to know who that footballer was who got pulled over now, either way what an absolute tool, you'd of thought they'd have a little more sense wouldn't you.

Cheers mate, hope you have a good day.

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{Ed001's Note - I am glad I am not the only one who wants to know! Has to play for a team with less than 18 points. I am sticking with Reading as his team as my guess.}

13 Nov 2018 10:25:58
I'm pretty sure you've got to go on the 24 point total Ed001 mate because they added the violation points to his existing points. so it'll be a team with under 24 points. but his girlfriend has a nice £40k car. what a div!

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{Ed001's Note - his girlfriend was also in trouble mate, but you make a good point, I forgot that it would include the 6 he already had. I was reading it as he had just been handed more points than his team, but you are right, it says he now has more points than his team.}

13 Nov 2018 10:32:24
It's definitely Reading mate.

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{Ed001's Note - adds a few possibilities such as Wycombe when you are wide awake enough to remember the 6 he already had. My geography is not really that good though, so it could be anyone, but I am going to stick with Reading.}

13 Nov 2018 10:38:35
Reminds me I need 2 new tyres myself before they go bald. Saved me 6 points there Ed001 cheers 👍.

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{Ed001's Note - glad to hear it mate.}

13 Nov 2018 10:39:09
Great read as usual Ed001 mate. I do think it's worth mentioning the disgusting attack on an Irish referee in an amateur game. It was reported Daniel Sweeney (the referee in question) is recovering in hospital from a broken jaw and other serious injuries after an "appalling" attack by players following a match. He was assaulted after an amateur game in the Republic of Ireland's Combined Counties League by (allegedly) three Mullingar Town players and a fan - which followed the club's match at Horseleap. I found this very disturbing.

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{Ed001's Note - it is amateur football, if I was reporting everything happening in that there would be no time to breathe mate. I have seen myself players get shot at, have dogs set on them, refs headbutted, spectators chase the ref off, etc etc. I do agree it was horrible, but you can't pick out one instance to get outraged about and ignore a billion others.}

13 Nov 2018 10:42:31
Given the area and that the stopp was in South Mimms it could be a Watford player as their training ground is close ;)

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{Ed001's Note - no the police did say it was not a Premier League player.}

13 Nov 2018 10:54:36
Damn. lol. I was hoping we could uncover a Watford div, lol.

By the way, you're right Ed001 mate about picking out one particular incident. I was actually at Sunday football on Hackney Marshes (a long time ago) when a player left a match during the game and went and got a gun from his car! I remember he got a lifetime ban and a custodial sentence for the possession of firearms. apparently it was not loaded but I can tell you all our pants went brown that day.

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{Ed001's Note - it happens a lot, but there are literally tens of thousands of games taking place so it is bound to happen somewhere.}

13 Nov 2018 16:43:52
A good friend of mine used to referee university games and he said that he has been on a night out many times where say someone he carded has came to start on him.

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13 Nov 2018 01:21:48
much has been said and this topic and it will probably ring on till the end of the season.

but let's put some things in perspective.


1. we are only 2 points behind city.

2. we have yet to lose a game.

3. we've beaten everyone outside of the supposed top 6.

4. we have the joint-top defence in the league! can you believe it? (until last season we still needed to out-score opponents due to our leaky defence! )

5. in spite not firing on all cylinders, our attack is among the top 5 in the league.

6. yes, we should have won the game against arsenal and still be level on points w City. but just as possible, we could have lost the game against Chelsea (until Studge's wonder strike) and against City (fortunately they missed the penalty), that would set us 6 pts behind City if all other results remained the same.

we are in a very strong position. let's see where we are at after X'mas, in Apr, and of course, at the end of the season.

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13 Nov 2018 05:32:02
We have been winning and we have some mighty luck shining on us too. Perfect for the title.

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