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11 Jan 2018 10:03:38
Heard from a good source that Ceballos is 'nailed on' to join before the window closes. No idea how my source knows but works within football and simply passed it on, make of it what you will.

Personally I would be a bit underwhelmed if the de facto replacement for Coutinho was Ceballos as seems a marked step down in quality but hey ho let's see what materialises.


1.) 11 Jan 2018 10:37:30
Why are people saying he is the replacement of coutinho? What if we are taking advantage of his situation at madrid?

Although I agree that he is not a Coutinho replacement, I think he is a good player and would be a good acquisition for the squad looking forward.

2.) 11 Jan 2018 10:55:19
Yes we ain't going to replace coutihno he is a world class Brazil international, but what we can do is strengthen the areas we are weak in we lack creative spark in midfield an someone who can manipulate the ball he is a gamble but could also turn out too b real quality well worth a punt especially if we can get keita early as well suddenly midfield is lookin healthy freeing up the attack, ox, mane, Salah, firmino, lallana, solanke, sturridge, nice options, still I would like us too buy an attacker like lemar, mahrez, suso, draxler wishful thinking though.

3.) 11 Jan 2018 12:00:02
I wonder if we will hear from wonder dog sparky?

4.) 11 Jan 2018 13:53:12
Hi eds i'm going to need your email addresses, mothers maiden names and the names of your first pets. uh. for science

Seriously though I hope we can do something like this, the buzz the club had post VVD left along with Phil.

5.) 11 Jan 2018 22:02:17
Coutinho was crap in midfield. Addressing the balance there would be an upgrade.

6.) 11 Jan 2018 22:39:08
Faith, he wasn’t really crap in midfield though was he? He played most games in midfield this season and had one of his best (half) seasons.

7.) 12 Jan 2018 19:12:12
our midfield is very weak at the moment, and could be the weakness that City will try and take control over, we really need at least one top player coming in this window, the name I have is the big guy from Roma,




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05 Feb 2018 11:32:42
{Ed's Note - If you missed it, Seano_ posted an article entitled, How I saw the LFC v Spurs game


1.) 05 Feb 2018 12:23:56
Seano it is a well written piece I enjoyed reading it. I agree with 90% of the article.

2.) 05 Feb 2018 19:05:27
yes really good post by Seano, and he has mostly got it right, if we had got the 2nd goal first half, and Hendo had stayed on for the 90 mins,
if the linesman had not overuled the ref, giving them a very late pen, which is indeed a rare thing, the ref was only yards away and shouted play on,
it all rested on that throw in, and I don't think we defended it very well, we had players standing there doing nothing, the Ox was just ball watching,
and then, most important, it was not a PEN,
but the draw was in a way not too bad a result,
and we move on .

3.) 05 Feb 2018 20:23:35
Happy, lots and lots of ifs there.

4.) 06 Feb 2018 02:18:48
Thanks for all the responses - I know there was a ton on the first link posted an I'm too up the wall to respond - also thanks to the Ed's for making it an article, was just meant to be a post but I guess the sheer length of it kind of forced your hands! Hope we pick up maximum points in our upcoming games, really need to start building some strong momentum.

5.) 06 Feb 2018 21:33:36
If Kane had scored that goal, there was no way back for us from that point! Thank god he missed the penalty which lifted the crowd and the momentum. Did we even touch the ball in the second half? Never seen a team come GK Anfield and completely dominate us!



04 Feb 2018 21:53:53
{Ed's Note - Seano_ has posted an article entitled, How I saw the Liverpool v Tottenham Hotspur game


1.) 04 Feb 2018 22:08:16
Well said Seano 100% agree.

2.) 04 Feb 2018 22:13:53
Though I don't agree with some of that, I appreciate your time and effort to write it mate, well played.

3.) 04 Feb 2018 22:25:09
I pretty much agree with all of that Seano. Good post.

4.) 04 Feb 2018 22:46:30
Klopp lost us 2 points with his subs. don't know how many times he is going to do it before people catch on. he took off mane which allowed trippier into the game and gave the width to spurs. Henderson coming off took away our shape and discipline in the middle while Can looked nackered but stayed on. all of Klopps subs invited more pressure from spurs and rather than making changes to help us keep our energy he actually killed the energy and we got overrun. lucky to get a draw in the end.

5.) 04 Feb 2018 23:04:49
Seano, good read BUT I disagree with some of your points. On Karius, the boy can always do better BUT he was awesome today and did not deserve the shafting he and the team got today from the refs. As for the defence, I thought they played well today and the fact that they shut out Alli and Kane who had NO SHOTS on target in 90 mins of open play, tells the whole story right there. As for Lovren and VVD, as a partnership, they were very good. Of course, there is a miskick here and there BUT they covered for each other very well and Karius covered for them when need arose.

I also think Klopp tried the tactics used against us by Spurs at Wembley where as soon as they scored, they played counter attacking football cos we had more possession than them and still lost 4-1. We did the same thing to City last season at home and got the win. I do agree that our boys looked jaded and we missed Hendo in midfield as well in the second half BUT I can live with that cos we limited Spurs no scraps, really. Tho they scored a worldie, Salah got us in position for the win until.

As for the refs, I am with you all the way. These clowns seemed to be making it up as the game went on. As soon as the first non pen was given, the game got away from them and it showed. As for the pundits, they are nothing but salesmen who talk w/ both sides of their mouth so that at the end of the day they are never wrong. If any kind of contact is deemed to be a foul even in the box then we might as well start awarding penalties on every set piece. Also, how can Lamela have been kicked if he jumped on VVD who was pulling away from the challenge? Also, how can a lino see from 25 yards, an incident the ref saw from 10 yards and waved away? The ref should have told him to buzz off and continue with the game. He did not and here we are.

6.) 04 Feb 2018 23:04:58
Just seen match of the day. That linesman wants firing from the premier league. He clearly has a self-importance complex and wanted to try and act like a smart Alec.

Kane was offside. The defender has to deliberately play the ball in the direction it travels for it to count as a new phase of plat. Lovren clearly did not mean that kick to go in that direction, and hence it is not deliberate.

On the second penalty, my opinion is Lamela instructed Van Dijk. Virgil has gone to kick the ball and Lamela has made no effort to play the ball, and only had eyes for forcing contact with Van Dijk. It is never a penalty.

Shocking decisions, but never mind. A point does nothing for Spurs to be honest. We still maintain the gap we already had and any other week we don't get two incorrect penalties against us, and we win. Abysmal officiating from the linesman. He clearly doesn't know the rules of the game based on what you clearly heard him say to the ref.

7.) 05 Feb 2018 02:52:50
I thought Karius was pretty solid today, about the punch, i think he has to come for that, i haven't watched it back, but looks like maybe a tap in for kane? I need to rewatch, 2 players i think first OX? then maybe it's can are ball watching as Wanama beats them both to the ball and hits a worldie. Have to be honest it was a top goal.

Second half we invited pressure and i thought everyone defended decently, Lovren made a pig's ear of the kane pen but he was offside. Didn't think it was a pen though, very little contact and kane just dives. Not that it made any difference karius read it well.

Lamela though so cheap, VVD catches him but as he feels the contact pulls out. lamela Just jumps infront of him goes for the dive.

Don't think the linesman saw the lamela pen too clearly. I think a draw was fair on how we played second half, very spineless. But its a cheap point for spurs. Very weak penalties. Detracted from 2 very good goals from each team. Even my mate who's a spurs fan thuoght we should have walked away with 3 points given how dirty spurs played, Alli dive also, very poor.

I hate cheating in football from anyone, wouldn't be happy if out players had been diving today. It ruins the game, the sooner VAR comes in the better. 1 point for us and 1 point for spurs is better than 3 for spurs. If chelsea can drop points tomorrow then we are still in a good position.


8.) 05 Feb 2018 05:58:08
Spot on, MK and Ali. On the whole, we defended well and shut down their strikers, reducing them to no shots on target in 90 mis of open play. As for the 2nd peno as the first one is not even discussing, VVD tries to clear the ball, sees Lalmela who already decided to go down regardless (as Alli did for his dive thinking Loveren would foul him) and VVD pulls out of the clearance and Lamela jumps on his leg.

The worst thing and that is not mentioned enuff, is that the ref sees the incident and waves play on. Why did the ref change his mind and allow himself to be overruled on something he himself saw? How can the lino see something whereas he is much further away from it than the ref? This is not being mugged. Had VAR been used, we win the game, easy. This was like you were mugged and the cops stood there, watched it happen and laughed in your face.

9.) 05 Feb 2018 07:02:07
I think a draw was fair as we failed to make our dominance count 1st half and were so so poor in the second. Why we kept lumping the ball away and encouraging their closing in was just beyond me. That said we defending well enough for the most part that those pen decisions make it a bitter pill to swallow. Everyone knows about the first and it didn’t matter anyway, but how the red can clearly signal no pen and then be swayed 5-10 seconds later by a linesman further away from him with no clear view who has already made a shocking decision is just beyond me entirely. Don’t get me wrong I can see why it was given but these rules need clarifying otherwise VAR will not solve anything.
My overall views:
Better for Karius, encouraging, could do nothing more than what he did and made some good saves. Getting slated for the punch that dropped to the first goal but could have been cleared before shot was taken. More games like that and he may keep his shirt.
Lovren - good defender 95% of the time but always seems to have a mistake or mis-kick in him that costs us. Best partner for VVD currently though.
Midfield - awful without Hendo, in desperate need of upgrading. Gini’s form has just fell of a cliff from last year and he needs to be more consistent.
Attack - Salah quality, Mane is getting back on it, Bobby looked tired and ineffective today. Should of been taken off in my view when he stopped having any influence on the game.
Refs - Just awful. Some schooling or rule clarification is clearly required because once again opinion is split even with replays. 1st pen definitely offside for me. Regardless of the touch the pass was played with intent to Kane who was offside at that time. 2nd pen just shocking.
Spurs - probs deserved a point but they should be ashamed of themselves the way they threw themselves around. Alli’s dive was embarrassing, Kane’s was a pen (ignoring the offside for a sec) although he still left his legs in so cheap play, and Lamela has again gone looking for a touch and gone down stupidly easily. Embarrassing. I used to have a soft spot for spurs but I genuinely hope they finish outside the top 4 in favour of Chelsea after that. Teams that play like that deserve nothing.
Rant over, moving on.

10.) 05 Feb 2018 08:35:14
That is an almost impossible game to sum up I must say.
Spurs did to us what we usually do to others and failed to beat us for all their dominance, mostly in the 2nd half.

The 1st penalty, dreadful decision from both referee and assistant.
The 2nd, the ref who is closer waves the player to get up (clearly thinking he dived) but the further away assistant gives an incredibly poorly informed decision in my opinion - he could not have been 100% sure it was a penalty, he just couldn't have.

We need to move on though and not be too disappointed as we're still in a good position for all Spurs' celebrations after the game and dominance during large periods of it, they're still behind us in the table.

Positives for me:
Salah is just breathtaking at times, that goal deserved to win a football match alone as did Wanyama's to be fair.
Karius was excellent and showed for probably the first time what potential he may have.

I was disappointed at the over all performance I must say - a few players just never showed up, but we're still ahead in the race for top 4, so I cannot complain too much personally.

11.) 05 Feb 2018 09:20:37
Lucky to get a draw? Slimz, were you watching the game backwards? Your post makes no sense, IMO. How can you say Klopp lost us two pints when we got completely mugged by the refs leading 2-1. What's fair about three Spurs players diving to win penalties with one getting booked? What's fair about the refs completely winging it and playing guessing games on critical calls that both had any clue about? Hendo is not fit to play 90mins and Mane was not holding the ball up well enough and Can played his heart out and so did the rest of the team and were it not for the refs, we are not having this discussion. You can't manufacture energy where there is not any. Stop bashing any of our players or Klopp cos that is dishonest and flat out BS.

Klopp had a tactic after we scored and it has worked before vs City last season at home and where we allowed them to possess the ball and even with all that possession, City only had one shot on target in 95 mins. The same with Spurs.

We limited them to scraps with none of their Crap Four having ANY shots on target for 95 mins in open play, FACT. The ref gave them a pen that they themselves did not know if it was or not and we still rose above that to get the save and get the second goal, only for the linesman to play hero for Spurs, nullifying an incident the ref saw and waved away. It would not have mattered how well or bad we played, we were in the lead and if the refs wanna ruin your life as they tried ever so hard to do last night, they will and they did.

12.) 05 Feb 2018 10:04:50
Everyone going on about the refs. If we hadnt allowed Spurs control of the second half we wouldn't be having this discussion. we clearly made defensive changes that caused us to be pinned back in our half for almost the entire last third of the game. Same reason we lost the UEFA cup final. Trying to defend a 1-0 way too early. Klopp is a great coach but his match day performances apart from being animated on the sideline is his biggest weakness. We have a better team than most others but Klopp gets out smarted with tactics in pretty much every game. Anyone remember the Swansea and West Brom games. If this was Rodgers you would all be slating him.

13.) 05 Feb 2018 10:43:49
It would have helped if we came out for the 2nd half and not allowed Spurs to control it, we sat very narrow along our own box and just let Spurs do whatever they wanted, a point is fair but if we had kept up our game it could of been better.

14.) 05 Feb 2018 11:25:36
That was an excellent summation Seano . I did n't think we were bad, just spurs in the second half upped their game and were better.

15.) 05 Feb 2018 15:24:03
A point can NEVER be fair if refs completely screwed up two big time calls just to rob you of them. People need to understand that, IMO. Also, us upping our game would not have guaranteed victory either. What we do know is that Spurs did nothing and they had all the possession cos we let them have it and they created next to nothing. So had it not been for those useless decisions that even the refs were not sure of, we are not having this convo. That is the reality, IMO.

16.) 05 Feb 2018 19:18:18
I think if we’d have won 2-1 Spurs would have felt hard done by. We dominated the first half, they dominated the second. It was a well balanced match.

However, the linesman got both penaltys wrong. They were both offside whether there was contact or not.



31 Jan 2018 04:22:42
Thought the energy levels of the team were much better against Huddersfield, more urgency though still, at moments, lacking in quality. Never the less 3-0 away from home will take that all day long - very important to bounce back and the team have, hopefully Karius really retains the number 1 spot now, it is clear he is miles better than Mignolet and that the defenders actually have some confidence in him, he must be first pick until the end of the season at the very least.

BT Sports commentary were also saying our second goal was poor goalkeeping - personally thought it was just a very clever finish from Firmino.

Big worry for me is Mane - is it me or has he lost some pace (or perhaps its confidence)? Seems an absolute shadow of the player that he was last season - is it possible for the sort of injury he sustained last season to impact a players pace and acceleration in such a way? I really hope not as I have a lot of time for the guy, just seems to be struggling in most games he plays at the minute.


1.) 31 Jan 2018 06:16:41
If Migs or karius had let that goal in at the near post the pundits would 100% have called it a goal keeping error. I agree with you that Firmino’s finish was cute but at least the pundits are being consistent.

Re Mane he nearly scored two headers tonight by being a yard faster. If they’d have gone in no one would be saying anything. It’s a game of margins. He’ll be back firing soon.

2.) 31 Jan 2018 06:37:09
Don't worry too much about Mane.

3.) 31 Jan 2018 06:50:29
Mane has been recorded sprinting faster than any other LFC player this season. Currently the 15th fastest recorded player in the league. I do think that he's either lacking a little in confidence or his 1 minute substitute appearance against Chelsea has changed his attitude slightly.

4.) 31 Jan 2018 07:00:59
This site would go ballistic if we conceded that second goal. When we score we only ever consider what our attack did, when we concede we only consider what our defence did. How good or bad the opposition was rarely comes into it.

5.) 31 Jan 2018 07:03:10
Fair point that stoneage if it was our goalkeeper they'd be getting roasted so perhaps consistent (though not necessarily fair) . I hope you are both right about Mane, I really like the guy as a player and as a person off the pitch, seems very grounded, so hope he rediscovers his quality as I really want him to do well.

6.) 31 Jan 2018 07:16:41
Why is everyone giving mane a hard time. I thought last night he showed attacking intent and made good runs. Both headers were not gimmes but at least he is getting in a position to score. It seems everyone needs a scapegoat and the “supporters” have collectively chosen mane. Give it a rest.

7.) 31 Jan 2018 09:27:34
If you get beaten by that angle from anything that goes between you and the post, it's poor goalkeeping. It was also a great finish, a tiny hole to get it through and enough power not to let the keeper rectify their positioning error but still poor keeping - just line Sane's goal against us.

Mane is having a tough time at the moment but with his injuries, he was bound to suffer in form sometime. He's still doing enough to justify selection though, you can tell from some flashes of his old self and his goals early january that his ability it bubbling under the surface and will explode back into life any daynow.

8.) 31 Jan 2018 11:11:12
Stoneage, no more use of the word 'cute' in reference to anything a out football please. It is the most caring word that has ever been introduced into commentary. Makes me wanna rip my TV off the wall. Nothing in football is cute. Well unless we're taking about that ex Chelsea physio. Funnily enough it was introduced about then haha. Probabky talking about her of mic then it slipped out after a goal and boom they all use it now.

9.) 31 Jan 2018 13:38:51
Hjke not sure whether you’re praisingthe finish or not. The thing everyone should notice is it was precisely done. He gave that keeper the eyes the entire time for a cut back. And he probably has 2cm either side where it would have been stopped. No power, just an amazing, thought out finish.



28 Jan 2018 04:27:33
Well that wasn't very nice viewing. Seemed very casual and passive for large parts of the first half, thought West Brom had an intensity and energy to their game that we lacked and was why they scored (of course our defending helped) . Just hope this isn't the start of a down turn in form - crucial part of the season, would be a bad time to start dropping tons of points.




23 Jan 2018 03:31:18
The team clearly has motivation issues against the smaller sides as they fail, time and again, to bring that same energy and desire they bring against the bigger teams. Lacklustre display with next to no energy from the team, very disappointing but, the biggest disappointment, is the players still thinking they can cruise in certain games - not enough leaders in the team, not enough hard workers (especially in midfield), much for the team to work on.





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07 Feb 2018 06:05:54
The referees association will defend their employees at all costs which is why standards are so low. Instead of trying to improve the standard, to train better referees, to clarify the rules to make their lives easier they defend the incompetent, lie about the rules in order to back up that defence and basically refuse to make any fundamental changes. Officiating standards, when you think about the sums of money involved in football, are absolutely woeful. There needs to be an overhaul so that the quality of the officiating matches the quality of the football - right now its international class football with sunday league officiating. VAR is the latest gimmick to help improve decisions - I'd say firing incompetent refs and hiring/ training new ones to a high standard would be far more beneficial.




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06 Feb 2018 23:00:06
He's not dedicated enough, he doesn't train hard enough, he's injured too much, he smokes and drinks in his free time/ weekends, he is miles away from the quality we should be looking at if we want to genuinely improve our midfield. Klopp is a decent coach, he is not a magician and he cannot magical transform unprofessional, uninterested players into world beaters. Wilshere will always be a case of what could have been - let another side take a punt and pay him extortionate wages, this is the exact sort of signing we need to avoid.




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17 Jan 2018 09:01:51
I honestly struggle to imagine a club discussing their needs and being like 'hmmm we need a goalkeeper, a good shot stopper who can make our defence more solid, who could be possibly available? A-ha! Simon Mignolet! He'll solve our goalkeeping issue'. Seriously with the performances he has delivered what team is going to move for him? I mean is he honestly an upgrade for many of the mid-table clubs being suggested? I seriously doubt it.




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10 Jan 2018 03:28:05
Murphy is a pundit who used to play football but has little to no knowledge of the game as a whole and who is paid to make statements that stir debate - take his guff with a pinch of salt.




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27 Dec 2017 18:04:34
Staggered is the word mate, i;m shocked the club has paid so much for a defender who really is not that great, has an Andy Carroll feel to it this one.





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15 Feb 2018 10:13:57
Who said anything about '8 or 9 changes'? This is you putting 2+2 together and getting 87. Resting key players is sensible squad management - its not so much about fitness but avoiding unnecessary injury to key players. There are certain players in our team who are more influential than others who we would suffer badly without. If say Salah or Firmino get a knock against Porto will it still be worth it? I don't see the need to take that risk and so far the only argument you have presented is 'changing 8 or 9 player and telling them the tie is already won will inspire Porto to score 5 goals' - it is utter drivel for a number of reasons: 1) Nobody has said let's change the entire starting line up. 2) Nobody has said slack off and treat the game as already won. 3) Scoring 5 goals at Anfield without reply would be nothing short of miraculous - I don't care if Aboubakar or Felipe are playing - our squad players should be good enough to come in and do a job against good opposition, otherwise why are they even part of the squad?

As for players being scared of getting injured? Again nobody has said that, I am sure all the players want to play, but it is the job of the manager to analyse the situation as a whole and make the best decision accordingly - it doesn't matter what the players want, it is there job to follow the managers instructions, to play to the best of their ability when selected, and to keep fit and work hard when they aren't. I don't care if you had a tantrum when you played non league football it has nothing to do with this discussion - these are professional players being paid lots of money to do a job most can only dream of, they should and will respect the managers choice, end of.

You're over reacting to a sensible suggestion to rest key players before a crucial game against United days later. You might have a point if the tie was delicately poised at 1-1 but we're 5-0 for gods sake, it is the perfect time to rotate and ensure we can field our best side when taking on United. How is that not a reasonable suggestion? You don't have to agree but you're making out like anybody who has suggested this has had a brain aneurysm, I don't understand why your so vehemently opposed to the idea.




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15 Feb 2018 08:45:55
p. s as for sending reverberations across Europe? Europe doesn't care mate each team is focused on themselves, the 2nd round draw was kind to us, the quarter final (assuming we make it) will be a lot tougher and tighter, you are making out Porto to be far, far better than what they are. Do they have good players? Yes. Can they score goals? Yes. Do we have good players? Yes. Can we score goals? Yes. Did we smash 5 past them at their place? Yes. The tie should be as good as over, they are no Barcelona.




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15 Feb 2018 08:42:41
How is managing your squad sensibly disrespecting the Champions League? We respected the Champions League already by showing Porto no mercy at their place, we can now afford to rest key players to ensure that they are fit for the United game. If we play our best XI and a key player takes a knock and misses the United game what will be the point? To prove 'respect'? Your argument doesn't really make sense Adam and even less so when you compare it to the situation with Gerrard which was completely different (most notable difference being it was a GROUP STAGE game) . We are 5-0 up on aggregate and playing a top 4 rival days later - it would make no sense to play a full strength side and risk injury to key personnel.

As for your assessment that Porto could score 5 at Anfield? Get a grip lad, that is absolute waffle. I don't care if they are the best side in Portugal they are simply not that good - we should back ourselves, and our squad, to progress after that first leg irrespective of the team we put out.




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15 Feb 2018 08:32:43
I'd be fine with that, give the players a chance to shine and rest the key players for the bigger test. I can't believe some posters object to this to be honest.




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15 Feb 2018 05:32:09
It is surely common sense, with 5 away goals, to rest a few key players and give some fringe players the chance to impress - especially given we have a key game against United at the weekend? If Klopp plays a full strength side and, say, Salah or Firmino gets injured fans will bemoan him for not resting players. The result gives us the luxury of rotation, its not about lack of respect, its about being smart and makuing sure our key players are available for an important league game. Also did you honestly see anything from Porto to suggest they will overturn a 5 goal deficit?


{Ed0333's Note - I suspect Solanke, Ings, Gomez, Lallana, Milner, Moreno will play with a strong bench. I wouldn’t play the 3 offensive titans from the start.