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22 Jan 2018 11:03:13
Looks like Liverpool have definitely signed that Columbian lad Anderson Arroyo. He's had to go out on loan to Mallorca though because he can't get a work permit!

I really don't get why the club bother with transfers like this. I'd have thought we would have learned our lesson with Allan, and i think also Awoniyi is in the same boat? 🤔

If we want to make a habit of this, then it needs to be prioritised that we get a better loan structure in place. Otherwise we're just playing with peoples careers and wasting money.

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - THis will be two or three year loan and then try for a WP. But as you say - there is no structure or plan at Liverpool.}


1.) 22 Jan 2018 11:23:29
What a stupid move this is. Again.


2.) 22 Jan 2018 12:13:26
Maybe this lads signing will be a turning curve for the Liverpools loan structure hopefully.


3.) 22 Jan 2018 12:31:38
Fingers crossed Reusch.


4.) 22 Jan 2018 12:21:14
Is this basically the club rolling the dice and hoping the player turns out to be some thing special? Then the work permit will be easier to obtain if he is playing for his country etc? If so we are relying on Mallorca quite heavily to make the right moves with the kid too. As MK said 🤔.


5.) 22 Jan 2018 12:54:34
Better off giving me the odd million it took to make this deal for a player who will likely never see the Liverpool matchday squad. At least I would put money back into the club because I would finally afford to see us play.


6.) 22 Jan 2018 14:20:55
I believe there are favourable naturalisation conditions for Colombians in Spain, and then potentially easier into Europe or the UK but who knows what the real plan is. I for one am happier with the move being made with a loan already lined up rather than a last minute knee jerk. Hopefully they’ve got a proper long term plan in place.


7.) 22 Jan 2018 15:32:19
I don't necessarily think it is a stupid move so much as a strange one given our disjointed development structure. It just looks like our approach to development is having staff behind the scenes conducting random talent prospecting without structure or planning. As soon as I saw it, it felt more like profiteering than "joined-up" thinking.


8.) 23 Jan 2018 21:32:23
Speaking of work permits do the Eds know if Allan has a future at liverpool next season? I remember klopp and some players speaking highly of him when he was training with the squad last year.

{Ed002's Note - Try the search engine.}


 

 

18 Jan 2018 08:40:52
Strong rumours we are trying to sign Emerson Palmieri from Roma. For anyone wondering why we would be trying to sign another left back, Emerson has a few more strings to his bow.

Personally, I've always thought his future lies on the left of a midfield or front 3, where his skill, attacking intent and direct style of play can be more beneficial and less risky. At left back, all of his best attributes are stifled. Think of him as the left footed Trent Alexander-Arnold!

MK Scouser

1.) 18 Jan 2018 09:40:21
Isnt it Roma have who have a young left back they see as a big prospect not Palmieri which would be an indication of their willingness to sell?

{Ed002's Note - Roma are selling players for a different reason than having any you prospects.}


2.) 18 Jan 2018 17:35:11
Fair play Ed2 cheers.


 

 

16 Jan 2018 12:57:01
Anyone seen what Bordeaux manager said? Basically said Liverpool are in the frame for Malcom.

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - Malcom's representatives were in London and spoke to two sides - neither of which were Liverpool.}


1.) 16 Jan 2018 13:26:04
Yes Ed but didn’t you realise Malcolm himself was in blackpool?


2.) 16 Jan 2018 15:35:23
Cheers Ed. Perhaps it was a ploy to make Arsenal cough up more money. Or perhaps the Bordeaux is a Liverpool fan trying to do us a solid 😂

Does seem weird he'd specifically mention Liverpool. Not that I'm that fussed. Malcom is a decent enough player, but he's not good enough to have an immediate impact on our team. At 20 he has time on his sides, but he's not a lot better than the likes of Nkoudou, Lacazette, Gomis, Martial or Origi who have all come to England with big reputations and under-whelmed.


3.) 16 Jan 2018 15:40:22
Please tell me you didn't just put origi in the same bracket as martial and lacazette 🤦🏼‍♂️.


4.) 16 Jan 2018 16:11:07
Typical Malcom, he's always in the middle lol.

{Ed025's Note - love it verdo..


5.) 16 Jan 2018 16:12:34
TBF Benny none of those named have done well upon their arrival to the league in comparison to their expectations.


6.) 16 Jan 2018 16:23:04
Yeah. origi miles better.


7.) 16 Jan 2018 17:02:47
Benny, all i meant was that they've all come to England and not lived up to their individual expectations. Even Hazard hasn't. He scored 30 goals for LOSC and yet he's never even made 20 goals in his 5 years in England.

I think the last player to come to the UK from France and not even remotely let everyone down was Kante or Ibrahimovic. There are done top talents there to be fair, but they usually take time to settle and never reach the heights they did in Ligue 1. Lemar and Malcom would be in that category for me, but then i thought Lacazette would adapt well and he's had a shocker.

I'm not even saying it's a bad league, but a lot of players find it comfortable there, and then Struggle when moving to England, Spain or Germany.


8.) 16 Jan 2018 17:42:03
MK Hazard's biggest total for Lille was 22 in all competitions. The closest he's come is 19 in 14-15, not far off.

Hazard has easily lived up to expectation, Martial I'd argue has had ups and downs but has proved himself a good player. Origi has shown himself to be what he was a £10m pound striker, decent not spectacular.

Lacazette is suffering some poor form but give him some time, he's as much a sufferer of the state of Arsenal football club as he is taking time to adapt.

I don't think it's far to just lump all these Ligue 1 players in the same bracket and say "look! they're not that good! "


9.) 16 Jan 2018 20:04:08
To be fair, that's not that far away Imred. I thought he scored more than that in his last season at Lille but i stand corrected! Still though, the fact he's never replicated a goal tally he hit at about 20/ 21 years old in nearly 6 years is disappointing if you're a Hazard fan.


10.) 17 Jan 2018 12:10:18
you can't expect players to come from different leagues and replicate their goal tally. this is the most competitve league in the world and Hazard has proved he is one of the best players in the world. If he scores 100 goals a season in China, comes to England and only gets 20, does that mean he's underwhelmed?


 

 

11 Jan 2018 14:01:21
A couple of things missed in the Macca furore.

1) Matthew Virtue has joined Notts County on loan. Carra can you add him to your loan watch? I'm interested in how this goes for him. In recent years we've had Rossiter who had the ability but lacked the physicality, and Coady who had the physicality but lacked the ability. Well Virtue has both and looks far more balanced than Ejaria. I think he may be the first credible midfielder the academy has produced since Jay Spearing. Obviously Spearing never really took off with us after a couple of seasons as a first team regular, but Virtue has as much of a shot as he did. I just hope the loan goes well and he doesn't get injured. His potential is huge. He's a powerful box to box midfielder for anyone interested, who from the age of 18 has been dominating teams at u23 level. Time to see if he can do the same against players as big and ugly as he is.

2) InformaBetis (Spanish media) are reporting that we've agreed a deal in principle to sign 24 year old Danish left wing back, Riza Durmisi, from Real Betis. I believe Durmisi once played alongside Daniel Agger at Brondby, so this may have legs if Dagger has put in a good word for us! He's extremely effective going forward.

MK Scouser

1.) 11 Jan 2018 14:15:17
If Liverpool really have signed Riza Durmisi then that means Robertson's days are numbered, and he hasn't even been at the club a year. Well see what happens, I honestly doubt we would sign a left back so soon after bringing one into the club, but much of what our club does tends to puzzle me.

If Durmisi does sign, however, then that is a clear indication that Klopp had zero interest in Andrew Robertson. Which begs the question. why even sign him in the first place?


2.) 11 Jan 2018 14:23:02
LFC mango. unless Moreno is leaving?


3.) 11 Jan 2018 14:23:21
I'll let you in on a secret MANGO. Durmisi has scored two goals this season; both against Sevilla. He saves his best performances for them.

Moreno on the other hand, is absolutely bloody useless against Sevilla. So if we have Durmisi to cover any future games against Sevilla, Moreno is no longer a liability and can play the rest of our games 😂

In all seriousness, it would be a strange one. Don't shoot the messenger though!


4.) 11 Jan 2018 14:34:05
The Spanish article says that he is Moreno replacement.


5.) 11 Jan 2018 14:43:22
Will add him to the list MK.

Loan updates returning after this weekend.


6.) 11 Jan 2018 14:28:10
Wouldn't be surprised to see Moreno leave now his best bud is gone.


7.) 11 Jan 2018 15:02:54
Klopp loves Moreno and has trusted him to be our first choice left-back this season and, to be fair, he has put in performances to show that Klopp was right in his decision. No way is Klopp getting rid of Moreno, no chance.

If anyone is being removed it would have to be Robertson, although I doubt anything will happen regarding a left back. This sounds a lot like useless paper talk, another name to add to their hundreds of players linked to us.

I suspect we will sign one player in January and nothing more. Save the cash for the summer where options may be more able to leave their club, rather than halfway through the season.


8.) 11 Jan 2018 15:47:07
Nobody touches Bobby's new dance partner, Moreno ok. Lose Moreno, lose Bobby.


9.) 11 Jan 2018 15:57:35
Come on MANGO get serious, saying Klopp Loves Moreno so much and will never sell him is just mad. Why wouldn't he sell a player if he feels someone better is out there? There are plenty better Left Backs than Moreno out there and Klopp would know that.


10.) 11 Jan 2018 16:42:45
Can’t ever recall Spearing being a regular.


11.) 11 Jan 2018 17:42:45
In 2010/ 11 Spearing made 20 appearances, and in 2011/ 12 he made 25. Spearing was used in a lot of games. Gerrard played 24 and 28 games in those 2 seasons. That's just 7 more appearances across 2 years. So if Spearing wasn't a regular, you might as well say Gerrard wasn't either?

In my opinion playing in half of your teams games makes you a regular first team player. Fair play if you disagree.


12.) 11 Jan 2018 17:52:53
Maybe Moreno was useful to klopp as pips buddy so there's no need to keep him now.


13.) 11 Jan 2018 18:03:49
One of Kent’s big mistakes was playing Spearing, especially in the Cup Fonal against Chelsea. Decent player but just not good enough for where LFC needed to go.

Pushing him because he was a local lad when he was not up to LFC standard is not the answer. Same for Coady and Flanagan too. For a local lad to break through at Anfield you have to be top quality, eg Gerrard, Carragher, Fowler, Owen and hopefully TAA.


14.) 11 Jan 2018 18:12:37
Not read all the posts but have you seen how well Coady is doing at Wolves as their captain? Certainly not lacking in ability. They're playing about the best football outside of the top 5/ 6 in this country and you could argue better than a team or 2 in the top 6 too.


15.) 11 Jan 2018 18:50:14
MK-I see he made 11 prem appearances in 2010 amd 16 the year after. Not sure how many he started but I wouldn’t class that as a regular (although more than I remember)


16.) 11 Jan 2018 19:11:13
Why does it matter what competition or whether he started? I can't help but think you're splitting hairs here mate 😂 it's not like that was even my main point. It seems like the only thing we're debating is how we both define "first team regular". For me, that doesn't mean he was a regular premier league starter, just that he was a regular for the Liverpool first team. He was nearly always in the match day squad which to me makes him a regular first team player. Anyway, we're going to go in circles!

He was the last academy midfielder to come through and play a key role in our season though. Coady, Rossiter, Brannagan, Ejaria etc all only made a handful of appearances in early cup rounds, and odd sub appearances. Spearing actually started in midfield for us in the FA cup final against Chelsea.


17.) 11 Jan 2018 19:16:16
Lucas was playing really well that season and got injured against Man City, in December. Spearing only played the 2nd half of that season because of Lucas injury. Not a regular, more of a squad player called upon.


18.) 11 Jan 2018 18:20:07
My post should have read Kenny, not Kent. Also, Bretzteke I agree with you about Coady. He is playing well now and has improved a lot. But when he was being pushed because he was local he was not good enough at the time.


19.) 11 Jan 2018 18:20:41
Is ten minutes a game a regular?


20.) 11 Jan 2018 20:08:36
Durmisi is not good enough to play for Liverpool. I am danish and i've watched him quite a lot, for Betis and the national team, where he lost his place to Jens Stryger Larsen, who is nothing but alright.


21.) 11 Jan 2018 22:37:49
can’t believe you guys are arguing over what classes as a first team regular, and to make it even funnier, Spearing 😂.


22.) 11 Jan 2018 22:54:42
People forget how bad Moreno really is.


23.) 11 Jan 2018 23:54:30
Could the mystery signing be Aguero?

{Ed033's Note - You mean Ken?


24.) 11 Jan 2018 23:58:53
Cobra, you're right to a degree, he got 20-25 games in the 10-11 and 11-12 season (11 and 16 in the league) under KK and Roy.

Adams point is that, outside of Jay Spearing, there hasn't really been a central midfielder come out of the academy since Gerrard who's had more than a handful of games for us.

Fingers crossed that Virtue can make the step up in seasons to come.


25.) 11 Jan 2018 23:39:54
Some bizarre arguments on here.


26.) 12 Jan 2018 10:28:59
Zeddicus, thank you for not nit-picking at everything i post and for using common sense to extrapolate my point without debating terminology! 😂.


 

 

20 Dec 2017 14:29:34
Hi Ed002. Apologies if I've got this wrong, but i recall you said after or maybe even in the last Sharkopod, that there would be an updated one in December?

Have i got that right? If so, is it still the case and when can we expect it? It would be awesome to get an update, but i appreciate it is the holiday season and you have a lot of mother in laws to visit!

MK Scouser

{Ed002's Note - I have a bunch to do MK - Arsenal, Spurs, Everton so maybe after that. There may be a need to do so EuroSharkopods as well.}


1.) 20 Dec 2017 14:46:03
Cheers 02. Your work is appreciated as always!


 

 

 

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23 Feb 2018 11:31:26
Big debate that i always see online is "how many world class players are there in the Premier League? "

The term world class is too broad though. So my question would be, how many players in the Premier League have a genuine claim to be the best in world in their respective position?

For me that is Kane (CF), Salah (RF), De Bruyne (CM), Silva (CM), Kante (CM), Azpilicueta (RB), Alderweireld (CB) and De Gea (GK) .

Would that be fair? I think so. Therefore i find it totally baffling when people try and say there are no world class players in the Premier League. I'll go out on a limb and say all 8 of those players (as an individual signing) would start in any team in world football, even if the formation has to be shuffled a bit. If you supplement that 8 man team with Alaba (LB), Godin (CB), and Neymar (LF) you are not far off the best 11 a side team in the world. Who else gets in that team on current form? Is Ronaldo better than Kane? Is Messi better than Salah? Is Buffon better than De Gea? I wouldn't disagree with anyone who says they all get in ahead of the Premier League trio, but i also wouldn't disagree with anyone who says they don't. Aside from those 3 who all finished top 4 in the Balon D'or alongside Neymar though, I'm not sure anyone else in world football can even make a legitimate claim.

I think we are now entering an era where the Premier League doesn't just have the best managers; I think it actually has a lot of the best players too. The only real worry is that Kane and De Gea are both targets for Real Madrid, and Alderweireld wants out of Spurs as well. We may all jokingly say we want United and Spurs to lose their best players (myself included), but don't we all want the very best players to be in our league, deep down? Salah will probably be around for a while yet, but he is already looking at Real Madrid too!

Either way, on this seasons form i think a lot of the the best players in the world are currently playing in the Premier League. Long may it continue!

MK Scouser

1.) 23 Feb 2018 11:46:22
I also think this league has the best players, by far. I would agree with the players you've listed sis but I'd also add Hazard and Firmino to them. There's plenty of fantastic players and a good amount of world class players in this league which is what (for me) makes it the most exciting league in the world.


2.) 23 Feb 2018 13:00:37
I think regardless of what players are world class or not in our league we have the most entertaining league in the world at least.


3.) 23 Feb 2018 13:01:44
I would add Hazard and Aguero to that list MK.


4.) 23 Feb 2018 13:02:35
No Aguero and Ozil (criminally underrated) MK?


5.) 23 Feb 2018 13:11:14
Ozil is a great player but I wouldn't class him as world class.


6.) 23 Feb 2018 13:26:01
Really Salah? I drool when i watch him play🤤🤤🤤, maybe its just a personal preference then.


7.) 23 Feb 2018 13:36:10
I wouldn't say kane is world class as i think the term is used very easily (not by you MK but in general) to describe players who yes are of a good standard but not world class imo
World class to me depicts a player who stands out from his peers
who is among the very very best in whatever he or she does
Neuer for example has been world class for years
Messi and Ronaldo are the obvious ones
Suarez (cant stand the fella)
Marcelo
Modric
De Gea

if your talking directly about strikers yes Kanes numbers are verv very impressive

but so was Alan shearer's and I would love anyone to tell me he was world class
For me world class is something that truly divides you from the best ala Pele Maradona Zidane Buffon Baresi Maldini Best etc THE LIST IS ENDLESS but imo Kane does not currently fit world class for me just my opinion lads.


8.) 23 Feb 2018 13:46:49
Each to their own scholes mate, I think he's brilliant and all, but world class I just can't see it personally.


9.) 23 Feb 2018 13:51:05
It would be a contradiction to include Hazard when i later stated Neymar is the best LF in the world. Same for Aguero/ Firmino and Ozil after I cited Kane and Silva as the best in their respective roles.

I do agree that those 4 are world class by the way, but i was only talking about players with a legit claim to being the best in the world in their positions. The term world class gets deliberately misinterpreted by a lot of people so i thought I'd avoid it all together 😂.


10.) 23 Feb 2018 14:04:07
World class IMO = the top 23 players that would make up a squad. i. e 3 keepers and two players for every position. So for me playing a 433:

GK-De Gea, Neuer, Olblak
LB-Marcelo, Alaba
CB-Kompany, Varane, Godin, Chiellini.
RB-Kimmich, Walker
CDM-Kante, Vidal
CM-De Bruyne, Silva, Modric, Naingollan,
LF-Ronaldo, Hazard
RF-Messi, Salah
CF-Kane, Aguero

It’s all opinions of course, but to me that’s damn near the best 23 man squad your going to get currently and I count 10 players from the PL there, 4 from the bundesliga, 7 La Liga and 2 Serie A. I genuinely do think the best quality players we have in this league is higher than other leagues.


11.) 23 Feb 2018 14:12:23
Is Salah world class or is he having a very good season? I love him to bits but I think he needs a few seasons under his belt perform at this level. It seems disingenuous for some to be on here saying Kane isn’t but Salah is.


12.) 23 Feb 2018 14:22:58
Hazard and Aguero are within that bracket also.


13.) 23 Feb 2018 15:41:12
Marcelo is woeful, how can people even claim he's a world-class fullback when he can't even defend?


14.) 23 Feb 2018 15:42:55
MK you say you didn't wanna mention them as you mentioned Neymar and you mentioned Kane. But you named 3 CM players in the list? Silva and de bruyne can't both be the best midfielder in the world! If you're naming a 'world 11' then fair enough. But that 11 could have two strikers therefore Aguero and Firmino deserve a mention.

{Ed025's Note - as strikers go TIA bobbys not getting anywhere near even the bench mate..


15.) 23 Feb 2018 15:46:33
good post MK but you asked is Messi better than Salah. does that question have to be answered because i presume its a joke right? . Messi is the greatest player of all time while Salah isn't even our best player (Bobby firmino) .


16.) 23 Feb 2018 16:29:17
Salah is easily our best player, behave!


17.) 23 Feb 2018 16:37:38
Also Messi is not the best of all time either. that's for the new generation, call me crazy but i would take the Brazilian Ronaldo, Maradona before him, even though Pele was way before my time but some of the goals he allegedly scored messi can only dream about!


18.) 23 Feb 2018 16:37:48
Kane shouldn’t be in the same sentence as the rest of them. All the others have got to be knocking on the door of world class.


19.) 23 Feb 2018 16:43:26
DeGea, D. Alves, Godin, Chiellini, Alaba, Busquets, Modric, Silva, Messi, C. Ronaldo, Suarez. They are the best today for me.


20.) 23 Feb 2018 17:29:17
No Roberto or Kirchoff in there MK.? ;)

I think world class is used too easily these days and without proper context.

Is it based on this season, a few seasons, the last few games? That would make a massive difference.

I think a lot of players would get picked on YouTube clips and FIFA or Football Manager ratings, rather than due to them being watched week in week out.

I think my only nailed on from what I watch, whether it be over a few games, a season or 3, would be DDG.

There would be more, but again it depends on the time frame we are talking about.


21.) 23 Feb 2018 17:32:36
I don't think there's any world class players in the Premier League personally.

I think there are only 3 in the world. Ronaldo, Suarez and Messi.

There are very 20 x excellent players. But world class is just another level that none of then have reached.


22.) 23 Feb 2018 17:37:18
Alves, Chiellini, Ronaldo are past it due to age but all 3 are
great players but currently not world class anymore.

Suarez is not the same Suarez anymore due to a knee operation
Busquets? Really mate? He is a terrible defensive midfielder in my opinion.

Mine would be something like:

David de Gea, Cesar Azpilicueta, Diego Godin, Toby Alderweireld, Alex Sandro, N'Golo Kante, Moussa Dembele, Kevin de Bruyne, Lionel Messi, Neymar Jr., Robert Lewandowski

2nd team:

Manuel Neuer, Joshua Kimmich, Vincent Kompany, Mats Hummels, Marcelo, Marco Veratti, Luca Modric, David Silva, Mohamed Salah
Eden Hazard, Harry Kane

3rd team:

Jan Oblak, Kyle Walker, Rafael Varane, Andreas Christensen, David Alaba, Ilkay Gundogan, Koke, Paul Pogba, Antoine Griezmann, Kylian Mbappe, Sergio Aguero

Alot of top class players like Niguez, Sane, Eriksen, Coutinho, Alli who will probably end up ''world class''

was really tough thinking of top class defenders.


23.) 23 Feb 2018 17:43:26
LOL, you say that putmaneontheright and then go and say Ronaldo who has been terrible this season and Suarez who is not even half the player he was 6 months ago and i would say 10 other forwards have already passed him! Hilarious in my opinion. You guys play too much football manager or fifa, watch the games!

about another point raised over, Marcelo sure he isn't the best defender but he is the best LB going forward. And there are not many teams who attack these top teams for some reason, look how many teams have actually had a go at Man City this season, its shocking because that is the only way to get something out of them but there are not enough brave managers out there, most think about damage control instead of causing the damage.


24.) 23 Feb 2018 17:56:24
Lovren is world class.


25.) 23 Feb 2018 18:06:07
De Gea, De Bryune, Aguero, Kante, Hazard and Sanchez

These are the world class players currently playing on the premier league.
Ozil is too inconsistent.,


26.) 23 Feb 2018 19:34:47
I think the term "world class" has become far too exclusive these days to say there are only 8 world class players on the planet is ridiculous. I think you look at the stars of international teams.
Kane is world class, he has smashed all the goal scoring records, of course the lad is world class.
I would go so far as to say we have a few world class players.
Virgil van djike, mo salah, sadio mane and Firmino. And I think players like Ben Woodburn, Joe gomez, trent Alexander Arnold and dom solanke are future world class players.

To be more definite I'll say the top 5% of the professional players. Not the 0.0001%, that's just daft. You might as well say there are no world class players, it's is only slightly more ridiculous than 0.0001%.


27.) 23 Feb 2018 19:47:02
ED2, where did that list go of the world class squad we made together?

{Ed033's Note - i can dig out the threads and post them on a single page somewhere over the weekend hopefully


28.) 23 Feb 2018 21:53:56
Messi is only the BOAT to those who were born between 1995 and 2000.


29.) 23 Feb 2018 23:02:09
Darn tootin' Supersalah. World class is the best of what's available at the time and if you asked your typical league1 or 2 manager I'm pretty sure they would all say each team in the premier league has several world class players with several of those teams being made up entirely of world class players. It's all relative to your level. Are the top 100 tennis players in the world not all world class? I would argue with anyone that said they weren't. To suggest that out of the thousands of footballers and hundreds of teams in the world only a handful would get into 99% of the teams is ridiculous.

We just get spoilt by watching a selection of the very best week in, week out. If everyone is special, no one is.


30.) 23 Feb 2018 23:09:26
Supersalah, i 100% agree with you. saying that there are only a handfull of world class players in the world is ridicoulous imo. I would say players like Koulibaly, Alex Sandro, Dybala, Hamsik, Mertens, Modric, Vidal, Thiago, Boateng amongst others are all World class players?


31.) 23 Feb 2018 23:33:01
Thanks ed033 happy digging!


32.) 24 Feb 2018 01:39:12
Agreed wellred and stoupid. The term world class has to be relevant to something other than old Roy of the rovers. Players like Messi and Ronaldo, in the past Pele, cruyff Eusebio even gazza and Maradona are beyond world class, these people are special. The Premier league is littered with World class, it is one of the elite league in the world. If not in this league and others like it then where?

Harry kane scores worldies all the time, he is world class. Maybe a good way to define world class players would be to say anyone shortlisted for the balon d'or. Then many people would argue that Firmino is wc.


33.) 24 Feb 2018 08:32:34
Good point supersalah, in the last Balon d'or Coutinho and Saido Mane were among the top 30, 2 months later Salah beat Mane and Aubameyang for the best African player of 2017 with quite the margin as well, so will we see Salah in the top 30 Balon d'or next season? 99.99% certain he will be there. I get the point about doing it for more seasons but that just annoys me, its like he didn't have 3.5 brilliant seasons previous to this one, he was ruining Tottenham and Chelsea for Basel, he was sensational at Fiorentina, and was arguably Roma's best and most important player, didn't score as much because he played a lot further down the pitch for Roma, more of a creator role unlike here at Liverpool. just listen to all the Roma players say how the are struggling now because they sold Salah, maybe an excuse, but he was marked by up to 3 players in Italy too and freed up huge spaces for Dzeko, Shaarawy, Florenzi etc. In my opinion people who call Cristiano Ronaldo world class still have no right to talk about what players are top or not because they simply know what they speak of. Ronaldo runs 5 meters each game and 50% of his goals in the last 2 seasons are penalties. Greatest of all time my backside.


34.) 24 Feb 2018 17:24:29
I agree nostradamus, I haven't seen Ronaldo play since the euros. There is no doubt he was world class of course but I can't really comment. In his day he was more than world class, he was a genius.


 

 

22 Feb 2018 09:40:18
Random post of the day here: I've always really wanted Liverpool to play a friendly in pre-season against their own reserves.

Klopp vs Critchley! First team vs Ressies!

I only suggest it because when I was a kid, the team i played for always used to have a friendly game with the age group directly above and the age group directly below in pre-season. It was great fun, and we all loved a chance at beating the older lads especially.

I told you it was random 😂.

MK Scouser

1.) 22 Feb 2018 10:16:34
I used to do that when i was 14 on football manager, haha. Now i haven't played that game in like 20 years. is it still as addictive?


2.) 22 Feb 2018 11:12:26
Senior attack with reserve defence Vs reserve attack with senior defence. That's how we made it fair when our school A and B teams played.


3.) 22 Feb 2018 11:27:06
That a good idea Putney. It would certainly get a lot of views and the club would have the rights to stream it on their own channel and website too.


4.) 22 Feb 2018 11:54:13
It's a way of life for some Nostradmus. :)


5.) 22 Feb 2018 11:59:02
Bit hard to do in Liverpool though - is Moreno attack or defense?!


6.) 22 Feb 2018 11:59:56
It can all end in tears though, I remember a few years ago the Sunderland first team played a mid season friendly against one of their youth teams and lost 2-0 I think.


7.) 22 Feb 2018 13:42:26
My local GAA club here in Belfast decided it would be a good idea for the under 21 hurling team (men) to play senior camogie team (ladies) in a friendly game one year. Or a challenge match as the ladies put it. We were told to go easy on them. They had other ideas. I ended up with with a broken nose and I got off lightly compared to others. Sorry for going off on one. Adams post just reminded me it.


8.) 22 Feb 2018 15:40:25
Nostrodamus yes in Football Manager still get the options to organise a friendly between your first team and reserves (u23s) .
Game still addictive but majorly frustrating due ever increasingly complexity. Still leads too many sleepless nights.


 

 

18 Feb 2018 22:46:13
Just to start, I'm not saying anyone who disagrees is wrong, as i would genuinely like to hear the reasoning behind people thinking we need to sign multiple right/ left backs.

We already have Gomez, Clyne, Randall, Flanagan, Arnold, Whelan, Robertson, Moreno, Gallagher and Lewis all playing or expecting to play senior football now or in the near future. Not that quantity means quality, but we're clearly overstocked.

That is 6 right backs aged 20-26 and 4 left backs aged 18-25.

Considering the only players there certain to leave are Flanagan, Randall and possibly Clyne, i don't even see where a new signing fits in for sure. Clyne is average, Randall has found his level in Scotland and Flanagan has been blighted by injury and controversy. I think we still have some good options though.

I like Gomez in particular. He is still very young and for me, his only significant weakness is his tendency to lose flight of balls over his head. That is a weakness that is only occassionally exposed at right back, but it will be seriously exploited if he moved to centre back in a back 4. For that reason, i don't think he is ready for regular football at centre back, but he is far too talented not to play most weeks. In Gomez we have a real top talent and his ability to play at centre back also allows us to tactically shift to a back 3 within a game. He is still young enough to be playing u21 football, so we've got plenty of time to blood him into the centre back role. No need to rush and shatter his career when the lynch mob get on his back.

In Arnold we have another top young player who is improving defensively every week, and offers more than Gomez offensively. Yes, he will likely move to midfield in the future, but he has plenty of time and can cover at right back for as long as he's at the club (which should be 15 years plus, touch wood) .

Corey Whelan is similar to Gomez in that he can play right back or centre back, and he's currently getting his first experience of senior football on loan at Yeovil having played the first half of the season as the u23's captain. He is a highly rated player but i have no idea whether he is in the future plans. Probably another loan next year i would think.

Robertson is a real tenacious work man. I like him a lot. He is still only young, and he's only been in the team for 2 months. I cannot justify calling for his head after 2 months, even if his crossing is inconsistent and he gets caught in no mans land defensively at times. He has shown he is a really hard working player, gas shown real pace and desire on the overlap, and he loves getting stuck in. I won't write him off until he has had a fair chance and 2 months is not fair. He has had some fantastic performances in that time. He just needs to be taught to look up before crossing, and when to press and when to drop off. All very reasonable things for a young player.

Moreno is an enigma. I get that. He started this season fantastically and everyone thought it was his turning point. Yes, he had a shocker against Sevilla and got injured soon after, and yes he had a terrible game against West Brom when he returned. He is still a model pro though who wants to succeed here and puts in more effort than most, added to having very good natural abilities. Ultimately, he has had plenty of time, and has failed to deliver consistently though. Therefore i would not be surprised to see him leave despite his mini-revival.

Tony Gallacher has literally just been signed and we reportedly had to fight off some major competition to get him. He's already been playing first team football for over a year for Falkirk, and he's gone straight into first team training at Liverpool. So i would not be at all shocked if he is in the first team plans for next season for cup games and injury cover. If he isn't, the club are in danger of becoming a joke with a reputation of ruining careers by stockpiling young players (Ilori, Grujic, Markovic etc) . If he won't get even a handful of chances, then he should have been allowed to stay in Scotland where he was getting plenty.

Lastly is Adam Lewis who is regarded by a handful of people as one of the brightest talents at the club. I think he'll end up as a left winger or midfielder eventually, but he is an incredibly gifted footballer who is making his name currently at left back. He is rapidly progressing through the ranks and he should be knocking on the door next season too. I think he might go out on loan initially to be honest though.

I have no qualms with Gomez and Robertson being first choice for next season. Both are good players who the coaches should be able to work with. They are young and have great natural ability, but need a handful of weaknesses ironing out. If that isn't possible, I'd suggest it is the coaching staff that need improving.

Assuming Clyne, Flanagan, Randall and Moreno leave we then have Arnold, Whelan, Gallagher and Lewis who can compete for the right to be back ups, substitute options or go on loan for further experience.

I just can't see the need to rush and buy someone unless Robertson or Gomez are leaving, or unless Gomez is moving to centre back next season.

I'm very interested to hear why others feel we should replace Gomez or Robbo. I think it is far too early myself. It would be very trigger happy in my opinion and Arnold and Gallacher in particular are adequate cover for me. There really is no point having good young players if you want to have a mountain of older players in reserve to block them from even getting a chance.

So my question is not 'do you think we need more full backs? '. It is clear a lot of people do and i can't tell them they're wrong on a subjective matter. My question is 'why do you think we do? ' I've made my case and it's only fair i listen to yours now with an open mind. I agree that our options aren't top quality right now, but there is some serious potential there though, and Gomez and Robbo are both only in their first full seasons in the first XI and i think they need to be given another year in a more stable defence before we make a final judgement.

I'm just attempting to spark a friendly discussion to hopefully help liven up this boring week without a Liverpool game!

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1.) 18 Feb 2018 23:15:39
Whilst I'm not of the view we need any fullbacks this summer there is a general argument that if there is a better player, for any position, out there we should be considering whether we can bring them in.

Moreno will never be the level we want, Robertson is a long way from being the finished article and Gomez and TAA are both our of position. Fullback is definitely a position we could improve via the transfer market.

Having said that there's three or four other players we need before we need a new full back hence why I'm happy to use our current players next season.


2.) 19 Feb 2018 00:36:21
With the attacking threat our team has, a lot of teams tend to sit back narrow and compact. We have the chance to use wide areas taken up by our "wing" backs. Unfortunately we don't have anyone that can consistently put a decent ball in. TAA is the best at it, and far from perfect. The left side is dire in this aspect. I have no idea who fits the mould, but if there is someone out there, i would like LFC to go for them.

If there is nobody, i agree, and think we should use the players we have. Hopefully players like Robertson and the younger kids can work more on the crossing part of their game. Could save us a lot of money in the market to be used elsewhere.


3.) 19 Feb 2018 00:38:16
I agree mk. If a top top rb becomes available and Clyne is shipped out the I can understand that but it isn't an area we are weak in. Midfield needs a couple of creative players and maybe gk if Karius fails to impress. Saying that he has impressed me recently.


4.) 19 Feb 2018 00:43:54
Moreno has had some excellent performances this season, just don't play him against seville!
Robertson is a great little left back. Liverpool fans are the only people I ever hear who don't think we have a very decent little left back in Robertson.
Gomez taa and Clyne can all do a job. To get players better than the full backs we have would cost big money. Robertson is the best lb since risse left.


5.) 19 Feb 2018 00:56:36
Preso makes a great point. If we are going to play with these attacking wing backs that expose our defence, we should at least get some benefit from it.
Robertson to date (apart from against Porto) has shown he can't cross and Moreno has been hit and miss. If either can show that they can consistently put in a decent cross from now to the end of the season, than there is no need for another left back.

Or we can change the system and have less attacking full backs and therefore be less exposed.


6.) 19 Feb 2018 01:12:16
I agree with much of what you say MK, but a lot of the players you mention are aspiring players rather than first team ready. Of those that are ready, you have Robertson, Moreno, Gomez and TAA IMO.

At left back I agree we’re OK, with Robertson performing well and Moreno a decent alternative, and Gallacher and Adam Lewis potential challengers in a year or two. No-one has completely owned the spot but I love Robbos desire and he looks reasonably solid in defence, with potential to improve in attack with a bit more clinical last touch.

RB is a bit trickier. I agree I like Gomez there, but I do think there is an opportunity to improve the overall squad and move Gomez to replace Matip and get in a top FB in his place.

I agree Gomez has made 3 mistakes in the air, but I think he’ll actually do better at CB in this regard than FB. CBs stand a lot closer to their players, whereas at FB he was typically getting caught out by the long diagonal into the very wide player who has a lot more space to move into, plus he’ll have VVD to cover. I would therefore move Gomez into CB to backup Lovren, as he’s already better than Matip IMO.

We can then get in a top new FB who can play both sides. Someone who will really make a difference to our defence while also adding something in attack. TAA is very close but when he’s ready to start full time at he top level, that player can then either switch to LB if he’s better than Robbo, or TAA can start to get more game time in midfield.

In short, I agree with Putney that it’s really a luxury signing to improve the overall squad, but it would save us needing another CB to replace Matip and improve us in both positions IMO.


7.) 19 Feb 2018 02:13:42
the most important position according to me is the defensive midfield. if henderson is not playing or unfit we don't have anyone who can play in that position. FB are ok for us they are not the best in the world but they are good. and MK i don't think we should be counting all those kids in the same bracket as seniors FB as its unfair for them and the team and i totally agree that if there is someone who is available for the RB or the LB position and they are an upgrade over what we have we should try for them
on a side note I don't undertsand the obsession we have with Gomez as a future CB he has been awful in few games and decent in others he has been directly resposible for letting the opponent loose at multiple times ( as sanchez did to hom against arsenal) so i don't see him as a good option in CB position atleast not for the next few years.


8.) 19 Feb 2018 02:35:46
Clyne can't do a job though mate, not for us he can't he's bloody useless.

I disagree on your opinion of Robertson supersalah, the lad has potential but he's nowhere near what he could be if he got his head down, stopped trying so hard and concentrated a little more, I overall like what I see but I don't see him improving anymore. I want him to of course because I do believe there's something there but I think what we are seeing is what we're going to get. Ed1 said the other day he hoped he wouldn't get rotated because that's the last thing he needed and that I do agree with, he may surprise me and do better we shall see, I hope he does.

There's just something telling me, with Robertson been played a lot and Moreno suddenly having a decent season to start off with, with him having competition it'd be interesting to see how he would be now, I mean I still stand by keeping Robertson in the starting 11 but should he bugger up we need to stick Moreno in and give him another go because before his injury he impressed me, now he'd have to fight for his place, this would interest me to see how he'd perform because in my opinion, both players are decent, not great but decent. If I had to choose between Moreno the first half of the season or Robertson, it'd be Moreno for me. Robertson just isn't cutting it at all but I do hope we stick by him and he can hopefully prove doubters like myself wrong.


9.) 19 Feb 2018 03:58:13
Can't wait to see Adam Lewis break into the first team squad. Seen him at an U18 game and he has an absolute wand of a left foot. His crosses were superb and 9/ 10 picked out a man in the box.


10.) 19 Feb 2018 08:38:00
Interesting replies. Seems like the general consensus is that whilst it's not a priority, we could strengthen there if the right player becomes available. I think that's a fair argument to be honest.

On the width issue, i think we should play Ox on the right side of the midfield 3, and hopefully if he signs, Lemar on the left of the midfield 3. That way they can pull into wide areas as they are both very good at crossing the ball.

I know it's not the modern way, but I'd prefer my full backs to stay back unless there is a clear opportunity to advance. Even then it should only be one at a time for me. Our lack of crossing ability, for me comes from the fact we play inverted wingers and the players usually going on the overlap are Can, Milner, Lallana or Gini. Gini cannot cross at all, Can put in a few good crosses at Huddersfield but that was out of character, Lallana is actually decent but he's always injured, and Milner is getting on and lacks intelligence to consistently make the overlapping run.

I don't think it should be 100% down to the full backs to provide the width. Gomez is being told to stay back tactically, but Arnold and Robbo get forward at will and they've both shown that they have the ability to put in a fantastic cross. They just need to get their head up and pick someone out.

Cheers for the replies though everyone. It's helped me to understand why some people want new full backs. Though i still think we should give it another season with what we have.

PS. I'm really excited regarding Adam Lewis too, Gordy. He looks class.


11.) 19 Feb 2018 10:49:36
Good post mk. How about we put Robertson on the right. Robertson's energy is what earns his place on the team sheet but alas, not much else is top class so if he's put in the right his attributes won't really change too much. I think he makes the players around him raise their game which- when you look at the talent at the club and the terrible attitude against lower teams, it's invaluable. I don't mind his average crossing. I just wish he was stronger in the tackle and read the defensive game a but more. I think he's too old to vastly improve but with a little cover from midfield I think we'd be alright. There would certainly be great pace from both flanks.


12.) 19 Feb 2018 10:42:00
Not having a go at Scottish footy but how good is it compared to say the championship? Is playing for Falkirk mean its going to be a bigger step up for Gallagher?


13.) 19 Feb 2018 10:45:39
If you are pinning hopes on kids to take us through the entire next season then you are delude. We have no width whatsoever and that is a real struggle playing against compact teams. People now arguing about the quality of the midfield were the ones happy with them in the beginning.
Gomez is a terrible RB. He has shown nothing so far to suggest else. He can't cross and intact he barely cross the half way line. Due to our piss poor full backs Klopp is forced to either pkay CM as wide RW or Wingers to play traditional wide players.


14.) 19 Feb 2018 10:53:57
I think a big part of the issue is that our full backs need to be very mature and intelligent as well as talented to succeed. They are so vital to providing width moving forward, but they need to be able to read the game and know when they can push and when they have to be back - we can't afford someone else needing to tell them all the time.

That makes it very hard to tell whether any of the young players will make the grade as it's so hard to judge in U23 matches, which are much more forgiving - especially to the most talented players who will have time nad space to recover from mistakes that they just won't get in the first XI. It also means that they will likely need much more time to prepare for a first XI role - full backs seem amongst the youngest positions in most teams and the most likely for young players to break through, but the level of intelligence that ours will need to show may end up reversing that.

I think it's likely that even if some of the 18-20 yo's look good, they will take a lot longer to prepare than we hope and a first class solution for the immediate turn will still be required to give them that time. What I agree with is that we have enough talent coming through in those areas that are earning their chance that buying young talent that needs to grow is pointless, we need peak ability and proven experience or it's pointless and we may as well get started on the up and coming players early.


15.) 19 Feb 2018 13:42:27
Anyone doubting gomez as a cb must have missed England Brazil. He owned Neymar and co.


16.) 19 Feb 2018 15:13:08
great post MK, I don't think its a priority to target full backs for next season, I am sure that Gomez and TAA will both cover right back, and Robbo the left back, all three are young, and are improving with every game,
what we should take into account is that now having VVD at centre back, he is bringing composure to our Keeper and back four, hence the clean sheets,
we should have played TAA V Swansea, bringing more width, we really lacked something in that game, and I hope that we learn from that defeat,
I would stick with the young present full backs, as they will surely get better, and concentrate on building a great midfield , were we are lacking right now .


17.) 20 Feb 2018 00:52:25
One of Robertson's Best attributes is his crossing ability. I don't understand people who don't think he can cross.


 

 

17 Feb 2018 09:14:38
{Eds Note - If you missed it before, MK Scouser wrote an article about Sadio Mane

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1.) 17 Feb 2018 09:45:56
I'm a huge fan of mané. He had a run out bad form while in and out of the team, took a while to get going, but is getting back up to a consistently high level. It's impossible for our front three to go through a full season in top form, firmino and salah will have bad patches too, but the three are so good together that the other 2 would pull the 3rd player through a bad patch of form pretty quickly, which is why i believe we have the best (or should i sat the most effective) forward line in Europe.


2.) 17 Feb 2018 12:36:24
A great article MK.


3.) 17 Feb 2018 13:05:56
Just wait until his mate snobby arrives.

The pair of them could be sensational .


4.) 17 Feb 2018 21:47:01
Mane has not been “in form” because he hasn’t scored 30 goals already this season. People need to look at the other areas of the game where he helps out. Creating the space, committing players, defensively etc

The only thing I haven’t seen him do as much is burst past players when 1 on 1. Seems to prefer cutting back and playing it inside. Not sure if this is coaching or lack of confidence.


 

 

16 Feb 2018 09:47:30
Some great articles on the club website this morning.

First off, Daniel Agger is a legend. He left us years ago and he is still saying "we". The fact he still says "we" just proves he is one of us through and through. Kick Owen into touch and make this guy an ambassador. How many people go and get YNWA across their knuckles 😂

Another interesting article after the debate yesterday on here was an interview with Klopp regarding rotation in the second leg vs Porto:

"We made our rotation in the winter - in November and December - to be now 100 per cent fit"

"Now we are 100 per cent fit the best players will play all the time"

Agree of disagree on the principals of that, it sounds like Klopp will be fielding a very strong side in the return leg at Anfield which will delight anyone with tickets to the game, I'm sure!

Only other article i wanted to touch on was regarding Nathaniel Clyne. Klopp has basically said Clyne coming back from injury makes us stronger at right back when he is fit. Ed001, do you think this is lip service? Or has Klopp had a change of heart?

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{Ed001's Note - I don't understand the question. Sorry.}


1.) 16 Feb 2018 10:12:54
No worries Ed. Wasn't worded well!

Klopp has basically heaped praise on Clyne today, long story short. My question is, has he done that because he feels has to do it? Or is there a genuine plan to drop Gomez and Arnold, and restore Clyne to the first XI long term? I don't expect you to be able to answer definitively right now as you told us before that Klopp didn't want Clyne anymore. But I'd be interested to know if he's changed his mind and is planning to keep him now, if you have anyway of finding that out.

Seems like a monumental kick in the teeth for the younger lads if Clyne is going to be first choice right back again when fit!

{Ed001's Note - he heaps praise on all his players, it is man management. Clyne is available for transfer.}


2.) 16 Feb 2018 10:42:07
Thank god he's available for transfer, I honestly don't want to see him play for us again.


3.) 16 Feb 2018 11:00:09
Klopp does that all the time, MK. there is nothing new here as there are several examples of players he praised in public whereas, he could not wait to get shot of them. As Ed said, Klopp and Clyne have issues and already last season, he wanted him gone and we have been looking at RB's ever since.

On a footballing note, Clyne is the worst RB we have right now and for me, he is not a patch on Gomez defensively nor on TAA offensively. Those are just the facts as the nos. bear that out. Clyne is like Kyle Walker, IMO. A good athlete BUT a poor footballer. Anyone who watches both of them can draw that conclusion in 90 mins. Clyne should be gone, IMO so a new RB can come in and help TAA and Gomez can either move to the middle or continue his apprenticeship at RB.


4.) 16 Feb 2018 10:32:54
Cheers Ed. Thank you for the reply.

{Ed001's Note - welcome mate.}


 

 

 

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Very worrying for Gerrard's credentials as a future first team manager 🤔

Ed001 didn't actually say Ndidi by the way. For years he wanted Gary Medel and more recently he has suggested Nampalys Mendy as his preferred choice. He's playing well in Nice to be fair.

Ndidi is a player he's said he likes though, along with Obiang and Doucoure. It wasn't his suggestion though.

I still think Demirbay might be the "powerhouse" midfield signing though. He seems to be regarded as an attacking player by most on here, but he is actually very similar to Doucoure. He is fast and powerful which does allow him to break forward from deep to score and create goals, but he actually averages 2 tackles a game for Hoffenheim which is comparable to an out and out holding midfielder. He's over 6 foot, very aggressive, and can play the holding role, box to box, or the No.10.

He's very versatile, and brings much needed steel to the midfield. Most importantly, he is a player we are actually interested in though. Don't forget Keita too who is also very aggressive and contributes a lot defensively. Not many teams would want to face a trio of Keita, Henderson and Demirbay! That is a lot of pace and power, combined with high quality on the ball. Wanyama unfortunately lacks the quality side of things!

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Maybe they'll throw in Vazquez as well Ed, if we still have an interest? 😉 direct Salah replacement on the right 👀.

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17 Feb 2018 09:37:57
Awful player. He is a huge part of the Spurs decline.

Dier and Dembele had them genuine title contenders, and Wanyama is just a brute. Big and strong, and can kick a ball hard. He is the midfield equivalent of Nathaniel Clyne; he is an athlete not a footballer.

Nowhere near good enough or even potentially good enough for a team with title ambitions. He's bang average with very little football intelligence and even less technical ability.

Dembele is the only reason Wanyama looks above average, because he's actually world class.

How Pochettino is not getting more stick for signing the likes of Sissoko and Wanyama and trying to use them in place of Dier and Dembele in midfield, is beyond me. In the last few games, Poch has put Dier back in midfield and Dembele has come back from injury, and it is no coincidence they look like a top 4 team again overnight.

We can do far better than Wanyama.

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Alli over rated? You are aware he is about 21 years old aren't you? And he already has more premier league goals (33) than Lallana, Henderson, Wijnaldum and Can? In fact only Milner, Firmino and Mane have more goals than him in the Premier League in our entire squad, not just our midfield.

Alli is a fantastic player who can play anywhere across a midfield 3, or a front 3. He is also reportedly a Liverpool fan, but his major flaw is his behaviour on the pitch. He can get too nasty at times, but he'd still walk into any team in Europe a good 5 years before he's in his prime!

Fair enough though mate. You're entitled to your opinion, I've just never heard anyone say he is over rated. 33 premier league goals at 21 years old! At 21 years old i was smoking stuff i shouldn't have been, eating Pizza and playing FIFA 😂

I do agree though. Keita and one other will likely be all we sign midfield wise. If that other was Alli though (which it won't be) I'd lose my head with excitement.

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It would be a contradiction to include Hazard when i later stated Neymar is the best LF in the world. Same for Aguero/ Firmino and Ozil after I cited Kane and Silva as the best in their respective roles.

I do agree that those 4 are world class by the way, but i was only talking about players with a legit claim to being the best in the world in their positions. The term world class gets deliberately misinterpreted by a lot of people so i thought I'd avoid it all together 😂.

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I love GGG RedDawn. He is the most exciting to watch in the sport. His chin is stronger than my relationship. Agree with everything you say on Eubank and Joshua as well.

Joshua is turning into the Ronaldo of boxing. He is plastered all over totally unrelated adverts and products. The difference is Ronaldo is also incredibly focused on his spott. Joshua just needs to focus on the boxing and he could potentially go down as a great. I don't think he is developing as much as he should be though. If the Fury who schooled Klitschko ever comes back fully fit, i think he'll wear Joshua down and stop him in one of the later rounds. Joshua is carrying too much excess muscle as it's crucial to his image, but his stamina is not good as a result. It is a travesty how under rated Fury is, but he doesn't help himself with his behaviour out of the ring. He's a bit of a clown truth be told, but he's the most skilled heavyweight of his generation. Joshua will always have a punchers chance though with that big right hand of his. I really hope that fight happens in a year or two because as you say, Joshua lacks ring craft and it would be good to see him truly tested. A 40 year old nearly knocked him out; the same guy who at a younger age, barely grazed Fury.

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Nostradamus, i agree with most of what you say, but the Premier Leagues official numbers literally only factor in goals though. They don't factor in that World class bit of skill that lifts the whole stadium, or the goal created or started by their magic, or the space their team mates had because 3 players were marking the star man.

There are too many subjectivities and variables to accurately put into numbers how many points a player is worth to a team. You can only speculate or guess. From what I've seen of De Gea for example, he has kept Man U in the game multiple times at a single goal ahead. That will only be measured as him saving them 2 points. But if that one goal had gone in, it might've given the other team the confidence to score again costing United all 3 points. Then there is the confidence that he gives his defenders, which reduces the mistakes they make by panicking. How do you measure that? Or what about the saves he makes at 0-0 that stop a team from being able to defend a lead? If United go on to win that game 3-0 they might say he hasn't saved them any points because Man U would've won 3-1 anyway. That isn't how football works though. That miracle save at 0-0 might have been worth all 3 points.

You can't measure how much an individual is worth with statistics. You can only take a stab in the dark hence why I'm saying this debate is irrelevant and we should just accept that every team has a star man who is important to them. De Gea is United's most important player and i THINK he's worth 20+ points a season with all the subjectivities and variables factored in. That is a total guess though. Statistically he's probably only worth 10 points a season. Salah statistically is probably worth 15, but I'd say he is also worth more like 20+. The thing is though, this is all based on the assumption that the player who replaced them would have no positive impact of their own. If you then deduct the amount of points a slightly lesser quality replacement would be worth, the very best players are probably only worth an EXTRA 5 points (individually) over a whole season. But football is all about fine margins. 5 points can be the difference that turns you from top half to top 6, from top 6 to top 4, from top 4 to title challenger, or challenger to victor.

So regardless of what the Premier League website says, you simply cannot put a definitive points total on what these individuals are worth. You can only guess and everyone's guess will be different. There is too much going on in the background that cannot be quantified.

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23 Feb 2018 08:44:08
My opinion on Eubank Jr, if you're interested John, is that he is vastly over rated. He struggles against anyone who can move, has a good defence, and a good jab because he is a brawler not a boxer. Maybe he should try his hand in MMA?

The only reason he is rated so highly is because of his physique being desirable, his self obsessed training videos exciting the casual fans, and the hype that his name carries thanks to his dads success. Oh and the betting agencies making him a favourite to con their customers.

All he has is speed in his punches. They lack power, calculation and precision. He gets in the ring and just hits people as many times as he can hoping one will land and score points. His footwork is shocking though so he relies heavily on his stamina to just chase people around the ring. He constantly leaves himself open to the jab because all he's interested in is a big brawl.

Honestly? He's just not that good. He should go back to fighting bums in a weight division where he is the biggest fighter, because he simply doesn't have the quality to out-box a proper fighter, or the power to hurt anyone bigger than him.

My favourite boxer (only been watching for 10 years) is probably Tyson Fury. For a guy with no speed and no power, he is an unbelievably gifted boxer. So hard to hit, and keeps his points ticking over with a deceptively quick jab. His footwork is the best I've ever seen and so far, nobody has ever got near him, let alone hurt him. Be interesting if he ever comes back and fights Joshua though because he has that close range powerful uppercut in his locker, that Mike Tyson used to knock out so many people by going under their guard. It'll be even more interesting because Joshua will probably unify the division before Fury is back fit. An all British fight with one a Unified Champion and one the Lineal champion will be the greatest match up in British boxing history.

My favourite of all time is Lennox Lewis though. Proper British sporting legend. Gutted he retired before I was interested in the sport.

MK Scouser