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06 Sep 2019 23:48:45
Put "Peak" Suarez and "Peak" Torres into our current squad who is the front 3?

Matr1981

1.) 07 Sep 2019 01:07:29
I don't think Torres gets a look in. Firmino vs Suarez is an interesting debate. At his peak Suarez was good at pressuring the defence, not as good as Firmino, but still one of the best in the world. Same goes for their link up play. Then you have to balance Suarez's superior finishing with his attitude.

Suarez at his peak was probably the better player (Though Firmino is only entering his peak years now) but for me it comes down to wether you think the front three would still function as well. I'm not sure it would personally and would probably still go for Firmino. Would have been fun to see though.


2.) 07 Sep 2019 01:19:17
Peak Torres doesn’t really fit what Klopp would want us to play but peak Suarez for as much as I love Firmino would be an absolute animal with Mane and Salah either side of him.


3.) 07 Sep 2019 05:44:47
Peak torres won't fit into klopps plans?
A certain Lewandowski and barrios did fit into klopps plans very well.
I think people forget how good torres was in his peak because it didn't last too long.


4.) 07 Sep 2019 08:16:20
Torres would obviously be a useful player akrubbish, I think he just meant he wouldn't get into the first 11. Not while we play a 3 up top with two goal scoring wingers.


5.) 07 Sep 2019 09:34:04
As much as I despise him, suarez, mane, salah.


6.) 07 Sep 2019 10:05:24
Got to be Den. That 3 would get over 70 league goals. Suarez was awesome in that one season, unplayable. Firmino needs a 17/ 18 season then the 3 could well be changed.

{Ed001's Note - anyone that truly believes Suarez would improve that front 3, even at his peak, does not understand the game at all. He was more selfish than Salah was, he would not fit at all. His workrate was high, but he did not track back the way Bobby does. And he is a complete arse who would miss large chunks of the season suspended or injured. Not a chance it would make things better. The 3 as they are work together perfectly, any change would only lessen them. No matter how good the individual. We won the Champs League due to teamwork, not great individuals.}


7.) 07 Sep 2019 10:09:46
Torres at his peak was almost universally accepted as the best striker in world football for a short time. He'd probably be better than any of our current front 3 even in Klopp's system. I can only put this down to short memories. He scared defenders who laid claim to being the best in Europe. Terry, Ferdinand, Vidic, Carvalho, Toure, Ramos, Pique, Puyol, Pepe etc. Absolutely nobody in Europe could live with him. I love our current team but a prime Torres was on par with the likes of Ronaldo, Messi, Rooney, Eto'o, Ibrahimovic, Henry and Drogba at that time.

Torres didn't just beat you. He destroyed you. He was quicker than you, stronger than you, better in the air than you, had better anticipation than you and if you back off him or showed him wide he'd still find a way to stick it in the far top corner with a half volley over his shoulder or a pile driver from 20 yards. I never saw Fowler play live but in my lifetime Torres is the best player we've had. He was the only one I felt i could legitimately say was the best in the world in his position and nobody really debated it.

{Ed001's Note - but he wouldn't fit in our system without completely changing it. Yes he was great, but he wasn't that great that you would give up the front 3 to replace it with him + 2 others.}


8.) 07 Sep 2019 10:29:32
Last year the front 3 got 57 league goals. I would gladly swop Firmino of last season for the Suarez who had his great season. I though that was the question? You talk about Firmino's work rate which is unquestionable but last year he was trying trying but never quite got there to make the tackles. Where as this year he looks like he is 100% fit again. Also for Suarez who nearly won the league look at the players he was playing with, the defence was terrible.

I am 100% sure they would have scored 10 to 15 more goals. Its a bit of a loaded question, because if you take Firmino's best season then the answer could be different. There were zero threads last year about how good Firmino was. I actually think he was carrying an injury or something wasn't quite right for him last year. If Firmino plays well this season we win the league.

{Ed001's Note - so you think a fair comparison is to ask whether a peak Torres and Suarez would improve a current front 3 at their worst? This is another stupid pointless thread by people looking back with rose-tinted specs. Neither player suits a front 3 the way we play it. If you put either of those 2 in place of Firmino, then you have to reduce Salah and Mane's contributions, as they would not have any space to attack.}


9.) 07 Sep 2019 10:31:24
I would swap him for Salah personally, Tris. He basically plays as a striker at times anyway.

{Ed001's Note - from the right? You know he played there while in Spain and couldn't play the role right?}


10.) 07 Sep 2019 10:31:47
Ed, ignoring Firmino given that he is exceptionally difficult to compare anyone to, as individual players where would you put Salah and Mané in terms of the world’s best players?
I struggle to think of a better player anywhere than those two in their respective positions, frankly. Perhaps Hazard has more natural ability than Mané but there’s no way he’s as good an overall player, Mané is an absolute killer.

{Ed001's Note - Messi plays in a similar position to Salah. Other than that I can't really think of anyone who is individually better in those positions. I am sure there is because it is the team that makes them look quite so good. They are top class players but it is the way the team plays that makes them so great.}


11.) 07 Sep 2019 10:44:22
No mate, I'd play the 4-4-2 where Klopp puts Salah and Bobby up top, Mane left and Ox right. Just drop Salah out and put Torres in. Torres was less selfish and had a better all round game in my opinion. I dread to think how many goals he'd get with Trent and Robbo pinging crosses in.

{Ed001's Note - when have we played that system? And Torres never had anyone up top with him to pass to, so how do you know he was less selfish?}


12.) 07 Sep 2019 10:55:56
I tried to say it wasn't a fair question.

{Ed001's Note - I agree with you. It is just one of those things kids discuss playing FIFA or drunken blokes chat about in the pub because they have had a few. But they usually at least make it fair then and make it everyone at their peak who do you take!}


13.) 07 Sep 2019 10:57:20
Played it about 5 or 6 times in Ox's first season mate. Both 7-0 wins we played that system.

I think Firmino is intelligent enough to link up with him similar to how Gerrard did. So Gerrard was the deeper of the 2 but still made runs beyond him. Torres more times than not, picked out those runs. His creative influence was under rated for me.

Just my opinion mate. I love our current team, but Torres was a phenom and maybe being my child hood hero earns him a slight bias!

{Ed001's Note - exactly my point, a long time ago and the whole set up has changed since. We are better now than we were then and no longer look to use it because we are better as we are. Torres was not as good as you remember. He was great but he was made to look better by the quality of the balls Alonso and Gerrard provided. He would still be great, don't get me wrong, but we are a better team now, despite no longer having anyone of the quality of Gerrard and Alonso in midfield. If you put Xabi in this team, I am sure our current front 3's goal tally would increase.}


14.) 07 Sep 2019 11:39:20
That's a good point re Alonso he would certainly increase the supply. Would he suit the current sytle of play? Do you take Alonso or Fabs? Or would Alonso play instead of Hendo or Gini? I think it just shows how far we have come that it is even a question.

{Ed001's Note - Alonso is the best ever in that role, I love Fabs but he is not quite at Xabi's level. You know when he was at Madrid, they picked up something like twice as many points when he played as when he was missing.}


15.) 07 Sep 2019 21:38:53
Ed001 how about Alonso and Fabinho in the same team? Fab could the Masch role because like you said Alonso is the best ever in that role. I just love Fabinho though and would bend over backwards to accommodate him in m any team.

{Ed001's Note - the pair of them have a beautiful range of passing and great reading of the game, I am sure they would be great as a pair.}


16.) 08 Sep 2019 20:18:34
Torres would not make it in this team and the system we currently play. Torres had pace and played off the shoulder of the last defender and wanted to be on the end of things. Bobbie does not play that way and would not fit the system esp. since under Rafa, we played a more conservative and controlled system while Klopp is more open in his scheme.

As for Suarez, yes he was a workaholic off on the pitch BUT he mainly did that to benefit himself when he was with us. As Ed01 said, he was more selfish than Salah could dream of being and also, would NEVER do all the dirty work Bobbie does to allow Salah and Mane to flourish. It is not just who he is nor what he does.

As for Alonso and Fab, they would be great in a pair BUT Alonso was a brilliant footballer. you could actually argue that he was the most complete DM. He had EVERY pass in his locker. Rarely ever out of position. Could get forward and create, shoot and score. His footballing brain was second to none. Any player that has the chance to be coached by Alonso should grab that chance and choke it to death, IMO.


17.) 09 Sep 2019 07:38:16
I think it's naive to say we would easily get 20 more goals etc or that Suarez or Torres would be an upgrade on firmino. Fact is that salah and mane would likely score less without firmino and Suarez and Torres would not be as glorious as we remember. The people who claim it would work are probably the same who thought England would get success from a 4 man midfield of Beckham lampard scholes and Gerrard.


 

 

25 Jul 2019 23:32:02
Prediction for the upcoming season ladies and gents. Guardiola going to have a serious wobble and end up in China where he belongs, City finish 3rd. Lamps will get Chelsea 4th, Spurs will finish 7th. Can see Arsenal coming second about 15 points behind us, Wolves 5th. United will sack Ole after they finish in their favored position, 6th.

Matr1981

1.) 26 Jul 2019 00:54:54
1st: Liverpool
2nd: Man city (I'm optimistic going in, but who knows with these two. I think a full season of Fabinho might be the difference, but let's see)
3rd: Spurs
4th: Arsenal
5th: Chelsea (Going through a rebuild, but may do well long term with the youth introduced)
6th: Toss up between Man U, Wolves, West Ham and Everton.


2.) 26 Jul 2019 06:36:13
I see it being a very close one again between us and City, I won't sit here this time and say we'll go and win it because who bloody knows but we have as much of a chance as anybody. For all we know Everton will go and win it, in this league you just never know but imo, again, it'll be us and City right up there with the rest way behind.


3.) 26 Jul 2019 07:57:20
Wouldn’t look past City to be honest. Silva, Silva and De Bruyne can get their way out of tight games, we lack that invention when teams park the bus, we’ll be close, but not quite there.


4.) 26 Jul 2019 07:59:41
Matr - city third, Chelsea 4th - are you saying arsenal second?!


5.) 26 Jul 2019 09:32:33
Always welcome your positivity Salah mate, keep it coming.

My fear is losing ground early on, we play Norwich at home on the 9th, Chelsea in Istanbul on the 14, saints away 3 days later then Arsenal at home the following weekend.

That’s a tough start with potentially Mane missing for a few of those games.

City top spot for me again this season, they have the squad depth to go all the way again. I think we will finish second, I actually see Spurs pushing us for second place , I think they will spend this window.


6.) 26 Jul 2019 09:56:58
Salah, i don't know why mate but your post made me a little sad. I rely on your optimism to get me through the moments of doubt. don't let people put out your spark brother, its admirable mate.

We WILL win this league and i agree that it will be close again between us and city. I am a little worried about the availability of the three musketeers after a long summer and i can see us losing the community shield (and lfc fans going into meltdown) but a strong season i think.


7.) 26 Jul 2019 10:00:21
I think we'll have a slow start due to the late arrivals in the squad. Don't think we have Cities bench either. I would think we come second again this year, but win something like the FA Cup.


8.) 26 Jul 2019 10:01:32
My opinion is that Liverpool will struggle to achieve what they done last season. Klopp has done a really good job but I personally think you need to refresh parts of the team or you get "found out" I can't see us getting the points total or within 1 point of the League Champions.


9.) 26 Jul 2019 10:45:46
LIverpool 3rd or maybe even 4th this season. Man City to win the league again. Wolves and Everton to challenge for the top 6.


10.) 26 Jul 2019 10:51:10
Spurs struggled early part of last season because of WC.
they now scrambling doing some good business in the market because not strengthening their squad set them back 13 losses last season.
if we fail to strengthen, we might end up like them.
Missing Mane, Salah, Allison, Firmino is a MAJOR loss.


11.) 26 Jul 2019 11:14:12
Say

Trent gomez vvd robbo

Hendo fabhino gini

Salah firmino mane

Start, we could have a bench of

Migs
Lovren
Milner
Aoc
Shaqiri
Origi.

Thats not a bad bench. Creativity, strength, determination. A guy who scored 3 huge goals in the last 2 champions league games. And there are still

That still leaves

Brewster
Matip
Lallana
Im missing a cm?
Not to mention wilson, kent, larouci lewis. Im surprised villa haven't looked at wilson

Eds, has there been much interest in wilson and kent? Sorry if this has been asked guys.

{Ed001's Note - there has been a fair bit of interest in both but not at our asking price yet. There is always the option to loan them out available though, which is looking more and more likely.}


12.) 26 Jul 2019 18:53:23
I can see it being a close battle btw us and City however, I have this feeling that neither team will surpass or reach their points totals for last season.


 

 

08 May 2019 05:50:05
Just when you thought you couldn't love this team, this club, this manager and these fans any more.

Matr1981

1.) 08 May 2019 07:15:00
Who would give a thumbs down to this comment?
Surely not a Liverpool fan.
If you're not here to enjoy this moment, you know where you can go.


2.) 08 May 2019 08:38:21
To be honest there is a trend of comments on here that don’t merit it getting thumbs downs.


 

 

27 Aug 2017 18:57:25
Bring back Couts and Lallana now who do you drop?

Matr1981

1.) 27 Aug 2017 19:18:30
Squad depth and rotation for certain matches is key. These lads cannot maintain this for 50 + games.


2.) 27 Aug 2017 19:23:02
Coutinho and Lallana.


3.) 27 Aug 2017 19:26:06
No1. They start from the bench until some1s form dips or an injury.


4.) 27 Aug 2017 19:31:48
Cant drop any of them, they will need to wait there chance for a dip in form/ cup game/ injury.

3 Midfield players were excellent and deserve their spot in the team.

Henderson is probably most vulnerable as of now but you can see him improving every game.


5.) 27 Aug 2017 19:36:38
There will be constant changes between Premier league games and champions league and other cup games.


6.) 27 Aug 2017 19:36:56
Henderson.


7.) 27 Aug 2017 19:41:03
It's about having depth. You don't need to have everyone on the pitch at the same time. We also have the challenge of CL.


8.) 27 Aug 2017 19:42:50
Yeah great isn't it 👌🏻.


9.) 27 Aug 2017 19:43:11
Karius.


10.) 27 Aug 2017 19:59:36
Who's Coutinho?


11.) 27 Aug 2017 20:15:29
I think Coutinho will go.


 

 

25 Jul 2017 18:28:55
Just wondered if anyone could shed any light onto who actually decides, and how they decide what a player is worth these days, and if that player is worth paying for. I know most high value markets are driven by certain factors, interest rates supply and demand, commercial value etc.

Granted there is a great deal more revenue in English game these days due to new tv deals and all that, but how can it just be said that "Swansea value Sigurdsson at $50m" or Lukuaku is worth $75m, not saying those players are not worth what "they" say, but is it just a question of what their potential suitors projected annual revenue is and how they budget certain amounts for players, wages, development etc or is there an actual measuring stick (s) to go by to determine a players value.

Money ball, stats and all that stuff gives you a view point but doesn't guarantee real on the pitch impact, . There are people on here who say "if we could get "xxx" for $50m then we should snap their hand off but $70m is too much" wtf kind of view is that, should we even care how much organizations are willing to pay for players and their salaries, maybe yes maybe not but where does it end?

Nice one to the Eds and most of the regular posters that make this the only site id ever consider viewing regularly or even posting on, there are a huge amount of cringe worthy posts but it has to be said that is part of the addiction to this site, both seeing what some numptys have to say and how the eds and others react. I for one think that if we don't sign anyone else this window we will still be better than utd and arsenal. Grujic for me could be the breakthrough player. YNWA.

Matr1981

1.) 25 Jul 2017 17:54:52
I don't think anyone knows the prices anymore. We live in a world where an average full back costs 50m.


2.) 25 Jul 2017 18:06:25
I have often thought the same. Some comparisons between what players cost is crazy, and at times seems random and arbitrary, even when you take into account the length if contract and such. 50 million for Sterling and 35 million for Salah - you would have thought they were the other way around. Stones for 50 million and Matip for 4 million?!? It seems bizarre at times.

I am sure I read somewhere that Firminho is ranked as the fifth most expensive player if he was to be sold today, supposedly taking all sorts of factors into consideration. Again a great surprise. I guess a player is simply wirth what some other club are willing to pay.


3.) 25 Jul 2017 18:17:15
I have often thought the same. Some comparisons between what players cost is crazy, and at times seems random and arbitrary, even when you take into account the length if contract and such. Stones for 50 million and Matip for 4 million?!? It seems bizarre at times.

I am sure I read somewhere that Firminho is ranked as the fifth most expensive player if he was to be sold today, supposedly taking all sorts of factors into consideration. Again a great surprise.

I guess a player is simply worth what some other club are willing to pay.


4.) 25 Jul 2017 18:20:33
The buying club decides ultimately.


5.) 25 Jul 2017 18:52:46
You are only worth what someone is willing to pay for you. That's the way it works in any sport.


6.) 26 Jul 2017 12:02:19
The buying and selling club would be the simplest answer mate. They and only they will decide on the value of a player.


 

 

 

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20 Apr 2019 01:16:01
If he's got a problem with loud noise he should go to City surely.

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06 Feb 2018 02:06:19
"theres a cracking player inside wilshire" Are you implying him and Ozil are about to make some sort of announcement?

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18 Jul 2019 07:11:37
Hopefully he can do a Giggs and still be playing at the top level (for us) for a few more years yet.

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25 Nov 2018 14:16:13
Long may it continue!

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25 Oct 2018 07:51:26
5,000 a month 60,000 in 6 months, didn't know Diane Abbot was a fan of the site ;)

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10 Oct 2018 18:29:58
Milner for me has been a revelation, it has just clicked for him here. TAA and Gomez also have been excellent. Moreno situation has been a shame as I thought he could be very good but has had more than enough time here, hopefully for him he might go elsewhere and do well. Markovic is another.

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23 Sep 2018 18:53:38
Rest key players so they are fresh for the 'bigger' games coming up not because you are scared they get injured. Play the fringe players to keep them sharp and hungry. Not knocking the league cup but it was the last trophy we won and then KK got the boot.

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