Liverpool banter 3

29 Sep 2026 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - OptimumShots has posted a new article entitled, What a Fair Punishment for Manchester City Should Look Like

29 Sep 2026 12:42:26
According to man city it will take years to resolve the issues! Lol.

29 Sep 2026 12:57:10
Man Cheaty*.

29 Sep 2026 13:02:42
Indeed, @Arne. Let them think so.

I guess that no one has told them that even after being punished for their crimes, the appeals process won't stop them from suffering said punishment.

29 Sep 2026 13:06:32
Most of the experts, who I've listened to, say it is likely to drag on till the end of the season.

29 Sep 2026 13:55:27
Let's just hope the home crowds give City the welcome they deserve and sing to the cheats every game until this case is over and sent packing to the championship starting at Anfield on October 11th!

29 Sep 2026 14:24:17
I don't think it'll deter anyone from copying City unless Everton are relegated for this.

29 Sep 2026 15:07:58
Rome - all well I hope?
Stefan Borson this morning reckons they'll drag it out for as long as possible &
Could well take more than this season for a resolution?
Not sure why the Premier League haven't come out with some sort of statement.

29 Sep 2026 15:28:20
For me I'd like to see Man City reset into the club it was before the current cheating owners took over.

So ban the owners and force them to sel for starters.
Punishments that return Man City back into a smallish club that will bounce between the prem and championship. So relegation, fines and transfer bans until they are the size they were before.
And everything they have won since 2009 wiped from the record like it never happened.

The punishment needs to put things right and also deter other people coming in and doing the same. Putting city back into its pre 2009 state does that for me. For all the cheating of the owners they did spend years of hard work doing it, seeing it all taken away in one go is justice.

29 Sep 2026 16:02:32
I'm assuming the Premier League are not making comment because they are engaged in a confidential legal dispute and likely in depts of an appeal from City, making public statements prior to a conclusion could be seen as prejudicial to City's case and hand the citizens the technicality they are looking for to squirm out of there cheating.

On an evidence basis City may well be guilty ( we've all seen the emails leaks) but unfortunately in legal cases it's rarely about evidence and right and wrong, cases are won and lost on technicalities and procedural arguments.

29 Sep 2026 16:16:36
All good, Bristol, thank you, my mate. Hope you're well. Off down to yours and mines favourite haunt on Friday, Cornwall, for the week. Will be back for the City game.

Forgive me, I'm turning this site into Instagram!

{Ed666's Note - we need a pic of you eating a Cornish pastie Rome!

29 Sep 2026 16:54:24
I don't know the exact reason Roman Abramovich was forced to sell Chelsea not sure what he directly with the invasion of Ukraine.
But I think that should be the start the club should be sold and all money given to the clubs affected.
A one division relegation will not stop city from coming straight back up and challenging for the league the next season so they need to go down at least two.


A five year transfer ban should also be included to revert all the gains from the cheating. They still have some fantastic young players in there academy so that should be what they use going forward along with the players they can convince to stay long term.

29 Sep 2026 17:35:06
It can be arranged, Ed0666! Washed down with a Rattler!

{Ed666's Note - ok mate everyone’s expecting a pic now..send it in and we’ll put it on the site..enjoy your holiday

28 Sep 2026 21:44:05
Ed 666 what do you think about a move for Tyrick Mitchell from Palace? I think he'd be a great signing for us. Homegrown, on a free in the summer and would be a much more solid option at LB rostering with Kerkez. Surely Kostas time is up soon. Cheers ynwa.

{Ed666's Note - I think he'd be an excellent purchase mate. In fact I would go as far as saying he’s good enough to be the first choice ahead of Kerkez right now. Good shout mate.

29 Sep 2026 00:07:16
Good option on a free. However, is he a good LB or more of a WB?

Palace play with WBs so just wondering if we'd have the same issue we have with Frimpong on the other side. I can't say I've seen much of Mitchell to know.

29 Sep 2026 08:32:27
Thanks for the reply mate ?.

{Ed666's Note - looks like where in the minority mate

29 Sep 2026 09:49:41
Gregarios is right though, he is a WB more than a LB. However he is not as small or weak as Frimpong.

29 Sep 2026 10:42:57
He is a wing back only because that's how Palace play before they went to 3 at the back he was there left back. First two full seasons he was a left back under Roy Hodgson before that he played 19 games at left back but that was only because of injury missing 4 months of the season.

29 Sep 2026 10:54:02
Tyrick Mitchell? Not for me. We should be looking to replace Kostas with a ball playing LB that can invert into midfield and that can also play LCB at a push. That would then give us two distinct profiles.

Not a massive fan of taking the South London lads out of their home either. JoeyG is the exception rather than the rule.

Plus, I am sure there will be other clubs that can offer Mitchell first team guarantees eg Man Utd.

29 Sep 2026 11:57:42
Mitchell is no where near good enough for us. He's end product and crossing is abysmal and he isn't good enough on the ball for what we need.

29 Sep 2026 12:58:32
Who would you suggest Dilly2?

29 Sep 2026 13:08:03
He would certainly be an improvement on Tsimikas and, at this moment in time, Kerkez.

29 Sep 2026 13:03:34
Nah Ed, I think we can do a lot better than him.

{Ed666's Note - yes mate I think so too but I meant at this present moment in time he would be a massive upgrade on Kerkez and Tsimi kerkez offers nothing offensively anymore

28 Sep 2026 16:57:32
This thing with Man Cheaty is going to drag on for ages! Probably a year or two or maybe more who knows! Point is can we get back to red business please, more worried about Isak and Gakpo at the moment!

28 Sep 2026 17:33:56
Isak going to be injured longer than time it will take to finalize the Cheaty charges ????.

28 Sep 2026 18:30:28
RebelLFC

The level of lawyers Man City can afford. Will tie up the whole situation for a very long time. If they have to. Quite possibly a large fine and a ban on transfers. If that.
An elite lawyer should be able to tie up the FA judgement in knots.

28 Sep 2026 18:58:24
Yuri, haven't they been using the best lawyers already?

28 Sep 2026 19:43:59
City are cheats and it's been an open 'secret' for over a decade I'm just glad that we actually have a guilty verdict to nail them with, still can't expect some serious legal shenanigans before any sanctions are stuck.

City are rightly getting there public dressing down by media and fans but surely the Premier League have some serious questions to answer, how did/do they scrutinise sponsorship deals for artificial inflation, how were sweetheart deals to Mancini escape oversight? I accept that City were being crafty with there accounting but a blind man on a galloping horse could see City were spending money hand over fist, did nobody ask where the legitimate revenue was coming from?

28 Sep 2026 20:09:50
Are the lawyers tax deductible or are they off the books aswel.

28 Sep 2026 21:09:31
@OP, just start a thread about LFC and away we go .

28 Sep 2026 21:23:44
Exactly Downey but whilst they are bringing players like De Bruyne, Aguero, Silva etc. to the Premier League they are making it more watchable and so growing the brand.

It's like the Premier League have turned a blind eye because it suited them. Until they've made enough money then they've decided to put a stop to it because other clubs were following suit and some were days away from not existing because of it.

You'd have to be living under rock to not know what was going on. You don't go from Shaun Goater and Nicky Weaver to Aguero and Silva that quickly without the owners falsely inflating the income and paying back handers left right and centre.

28 Sep 2026 22:43:43
Some of the details coming out are truly staggering and how it didn't come under Premier League scrutiny is unbelievable, between 08/09 City's revenue was recorded at approx 101m, by the time City won there 1st cup (fa cup) there revenue had almost tripled due to lucrative sponsorship and partnership deals, this is before they won a cup! In one season alone there 08/09 there sponsorship went up almost 400% ( all Middle East companies)

{Ed666's Note - I know a particularly annoying Man City fan actually I’m being kind when I say annoying he’s levels above annoying I must try and find his phone number and see how he’s doing?

29 Sep 2026 00:03:47
You can find Harry on here Ed, no need for his number.

{Ed666's Note - This the post of the century touché mate ???. Ed’s 001 and I did a podcast with Harry years ago and hand in my heart it’s the funniest thing ever..I should ask Ed’s 001 if he can dig it up I’d love to hear it again..What is Harry’s new moniker now? And how do you guys know it’s him every time he changes his username?

29 Sep 2026 05:24:45
Apparently City had spent over £30m at the end of the 23/24 season on defending themselves, which is rather a lot of money on flogging a dead horse.

Their lead lawyer is Lord Pannick KC (I kid you not . 'Don't panic Captain Mainwearing, for those as old as me). The rate he charges is apparently £5000 per hour, and, again, I kid you not. The whole thing is obscene.

29 Sep 2026 08:07:10
He can't spell and uses very similar username types every time he changes it.

29 Sep 2026 10:02:49
It's kinda easy to spot Harry after a while Ed. The username is usually a dead giveaway. But his posts are usually made up of false facts and a very liberal use of the laughing emoji.

Oh another sign is when he glazes up a Chelsea or City player. Or basically any other player other than ours. That's usually a giveaway ;)

29 Sep 2026 13:05:59
WestYorkshirered if anything, City need to go get their refund because these "briilliant lawyers" they kept bragging to us about could only get them off for one charge out of the whole lot.

29 Sep 2026 13:26:54
Maybe they're on a no win no fee basis.

29 Sep 2026 15:28:56
I've heard City's top lawyer also represented Chelsea and Villa.
Pannick on the streets of London
Pannick on the streets of Birmingham..

29 Sep 2026 07:23:05
Ed666 don't tell me you're Benny ;) did one with you too, wasn't great haha but i'm less braindead these days. Hope you are well.

{Ed666's Note - no mate I’m not Benny..but I can be anyone you want me to be for the right price?

29 Sep 2026 08:03:58
Resurrect that ED0666! That would be mighty craic! I think ED33 has Harry sussed regardless of his many meandering disguises! ?.

{Ed666's Note - actually I’ll give Ed’s 001 a shot now to see if he can find that particular pod..whose Harry supporting now is it still city?

29 Sep 2026 09:32:47
Do let us know if you find it Ed666, would love to listen.

{Ed666's Note - yeh I’ll text Ed’s 001 now mate about it

29 Sep 2026 15:09:42
Ed666 I have a feeling it's lastfanofslot.
What was harry like on podcast ed?
I remember when he first appeared and I quite liked his posts. They were always a bit controversial but you could tell he was quite knowledgeable. Then he turned full troll.
His thirstforwirtz moniker was insufferable though.

{Ed666's Note - I always found Harry to be likeable and he knew his football. I can’t remember his trolling days because I’m old and probably have early dementia or am I confusing myself with Ed’s 025? Anyway I digress the podcast with Harry was comedy gold I think me and Ed’s 001 just laughed a lot through it because Harry just took over and it was just really really funny because he was so cheesy.

28 Sep 2026 13:00:42
Ed001, there are reports that the UK government are worried about any punishment of Man City affecting relations between the UK and the UAE.

Surely this should be a massive red flag to everyone. This is the reason why any potential owner who is a politician or a member of a countries royal family should not be allowed to purchase a football club.

If a football club breaks the rules, they should be punished without the worry of a political falling out hanging over the case.

{Ed001's Note - I very much doubt there is any truth in that.

28 Sep 2026 15:39:26
Cue the import ban on all kebab ingredients.

29 Sep 2026 00:20:04
A large fine and transfer ban is simply not enough. These are serious crimes. Relegate City and throw the owners out of the Premier League for bringing the game into disrepute. City's owners are finished. Appalling what they have done. Cheats. Conmen. Criminals.

{Ed666's Note - Then by that standard we should throw the owners of Chelsea, Forest and Everton out of the Premiership also no? Aren’t they cheats, conmen and criminals? You can’t have one rule for one and one rule for others..

29 Sep 2026 05:27:04
I think the owner of Forest is a Richard of the first order but he doesn't strike me as a criminal mastermind.

29 Sep 2026 10:07:04
The owners of Chelsea were technically thrown out though Ed. Abramovich was forced to sell and although the punishment happened under their current owners, they were committed under Abramovich's tenure.

And Everton had a recent change in owners too from the ones who broke the financial rules.

29 Sep 2026 11:14:56
There are plenty of jokes we can make about City and their owners. Not sure kebab ones are the way.

{Ed025's Note - i will ask my sister...Donna mate.. :)

29 Sep 2026 13:11:37
JK_RED, I don't think any of that would matter in reality. I know a lot of City and rival fans have been saying this for years now in a bid to brace for impact should City had gotten off. They didn't.

Which tells me that none of those fears matter because if they did, then surely, they would have gotten off for the most part. Also, keep in mind that other PL clubs will be looking to sue City for lost revenue and all that and depending on how many clubs, that could almost bankrupt them. The factors you fear will not stop any of that, should it happen the way it should.

Imo, City are should get the stiffest of penalties for what they have done because mind you, this is the biggest scandal in British Sports history, let alone English football. People have yet to process this yet because they are waiting for the official punishment and the ramifications that would have for the PL.

29 Sep 2026 06:32:30
Hang on ed666

They took their punishment. And accepted what got? Reluctant though they were and got on with it.

These cheats just double down and double down again. They could well bring the whole PL Down.

{Ed666's Note - if someone commits a crime does it make a difference if they owned up to it and found guilty or denied it and found guilty?

29 Sep 2026 07:56:40
Fine then ed666, you drive a hard bargain. Kick them all.

{Ed666's Note - harsh!!!!

30 Sep 2026 00:47:44
I think it does make a difference if criminals plead guilty, their sentence is often less severe. I'm no legal expert.

28 Sep 2026 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - KingCarlos has posted a new article entitled, Manchester City and Alleged Rule Breaches

28 Sep 2026 12:52:18
The aren't 'alleged' anymore, at least according to the independent panel.

28 Sep 2026 14:21:24
Indeed, WDW. There is nothing "alleged" when an actual verdict has been reached by a court, a civil hearing or an independent panel for that matter.

28 Sep 2026 14:59:23
Am I the only one who is fed up of all the posts, regarding City and what punishment they are likely to get. Let's talk about the injuries to Gakpo and Isak, that is more important at this time. If neither are available to face City we are in serious trouble.

{Ed666's Note - I’m just delirious we don’t have to talk about Wirtz at nauseam for another couple of weeks..boy was that the most boring topic ever

28 Sep 2026 15:18:43
But if they are we're not. Now. That's all the talking done. What'll we talk about next?

28 Sep 2026 20:07:33
I find it quite interesting that this news breaks just before the three week international break.
Leaves fans of all the clubs the whole three weeks to discuss the gravity of the cheating that has happened, also three weeks in the news cycle and online media to realy dissect it.
No prem games to distract, pretty sure the Premier League done this on purpose.

28 Sep 2026 21:28:17
Snoots the story about them being found guilty has been 'leaked'.

The Premier League have not said anything official at all so it's quite feasible that a major media outlet has put the cat amongst the pigeons to keep up the clicks during the international break.

I literally wouldn't put anything past the British media.

29 Sep 2026 13:14:32
Rios, the problem with your logic is that Ornstien was the contact and if he did this without doing his due diligence, can you imagine the defamation lawsuits that would be flying his way along with that of the media company he works for?

I know the British media is dodgy as heck but not to the point that they will let their journalist face the penalty of multiple defamation lawsuits just to get some "clicks".

27 Sep 2026 23:54:54
Hi Ed's or other experts,

Do you think once the Premier League is through with City that UEFA will look at it from a Champions League perspective?

I'm guessing some European teams may consider what they could of got from progressing or winning.

{Ed001's Note - UEFA have already tried to deal with it but City dragged it out until the offences were time barred under UEFA rules.}

28 Sep 2026 09:49:55
There's a rule that needs fixed ?.

28 Sep 2026 11:18:42
Ed, I get that. It's a shame because back in the VA-OM bribery scandal of 92/93, UEFA barred OM from playing in the CL the season but did not strip them of their CL title they beat AC Milan to win.

Now, can Inter sue City for the 22/23 final they lost? Or would they not have any standing in civil court due to the charges being up to 2018?

Cheers, mate.

{Ed001's Note - I doubt they would be able to sue, though the team they had in 22/23 was built on the back of their systemic cheating, sadly I doubt it would be a workable case.}

28 Sep 2026 14:22:21
Thanks, Ed. Much appreciated.

27 Sep 2026 21:33:37
Been living in Norway for the past two years, so I've been watching both the Eliteserien and the Norwegian national team quite closely.

And I have to say, Patrick Berg is a player we should be looking at. He makes both Norway and Bodø tick. He makes great runs, is always available to receive the ball, and is excellent defensively.

He should be relatively affordable, and in my opinion, apart from Haaland, he's Norway's second-best player.

Do you know Ed, if we have any scouts covering the Norwegian league?

{Ed001's Note - we always have done in the past, I would expect we still do.}

27 Sep 2026 22:46:17
Was actually very impressed with him in the World cup, I'll be honest hadn't heard of him before then but he had a serious engine on him in the WC and tidy with the ball too.

Again haven't seen enough of him at club level to know if he could make the step up but definitely liked what I saw for Norway.

27 Sep 2026 23:49:28
He caught my eye in the Champions League last season. Great little player.

28 Sep 2026 07:08:29
29 in November do I can't see us doing that one.
Would fill a none uk place up that we don't have.

28 Sep 2026 08:44:03
He looks a lesser Patrick Berger to me.

28 Sep 2026 15:20:44
Very sharp today Rome! I likes that one!??.

28 Sep 2026 15:42:21
I think we should be looking at another Berg.
Bellarem.

27 Sep 2026 14:18:29
Hi Eds

Might be miles off here, as I'm not fully up to speed with all the charges and how some will differ from previous penalties dished out to Forrest, Everton, Leicester, Chelsea etc - however in regards to similar charges I would imagine precedent has been set on those resolved cases and therefore any punishment would have to be in line or else those clubs could feasibly take legal action against them Prem?

I'm aware not all the charges are the same so there will be new penalties applicable on those than will then also set the precedent for anyone else getting caught with their hands in the cookie jar and refusing to play ball and claim deniability.

Seeing some absolute bat shizzle comments on suggested punishments but I'm guessing the independent panel are highly unlikely to come on here and read some of the outrageous suggestions and say - ooooh yeah we like the sound of that ha.

Also is this a case of breaking rules or breaking the law, as that's 2 completely different animals.

{Ed001's Note - 1. That would be the expectation, yes.

2. It is breaking rules in most cases, but there are some elements of this that would be beyond that and into law breaking as well.}

27 Sep 2026 17:48:14
They will receive a points deduction that means they get demoted however with their squad and financial clout they would likely bounce straight up so barely a punishment for their disgraceful decade of cheating and lies.

A minimum back to back demotion due to points deductions should happen.

All trophies should become void but not passed on to others as that's more complicated than it sounds due to variables.

27 Sep 2026 18:24:18
1jj, this is why I have been proposing that they get demoted to League 2 with a mandatory 3 year stint wit a transfer ban of 5 years.

These penalties will be the buffer against the type of financial clout and squad quality in City's favour and would make them almost essentially, start from scratch but this time, legitimately.

And I agree with voiding their titles and not passing it to any other runner's up just just because of the complications that this would cause, but because I personally want a damn thing to do with their tainted titles.

27 Sep 2026 18:44:37
Think you guys are missing the precedent point - they can't just make up new penalties that don't align with previous cases - City could very easily challenge any such action on the charges should they deem them disproportionate.

New charges not presently existing in the penalties already established category I concede is a different proposition though - I do however believe City legal team will be citing precedent should they deem any penalties imposed seem unwarranted and not in keeping with similar cases.

"Alleged" Fraud is a different beast altogether though as that could become a criminal matter and then stripping titles will be the least of their problems.

27 Sep 2026 19:41:24
Couldn't care less what they get. Only care about LFC. If you want to be the best you've to beat these teams.

27 Sep 2026 17:52:53
Cheers Ed - about to get very interesting, particularly if any laws have been broken.

27 Sep 2026 20:44:06
I would say what has gone before does not set a benchmark because they did not comply like all the other teams.
I would say like going to court and pleading guilty vs pleading not guilty and after the trail you get longer sentences.
City have tried every trick in the book to try and get out of it am sure even a little bit pressure politically.


This is why nations backed business should not be able to buy football clubs.
Forgetting all the trophies they won the biggest thing they have done is mass fraud and if this was normal individuals they would be facing prison sentences but that's a rabbit hole our government will not let happen because of our relationship Abu Dhabi.

27 Sep 2026 21:45:04
I think if they do get to a point where city are proven guilty and they have nowhere left to appeal, they will be hit incredibly hard for the journey they have taken everyone through and complete disregard for the rules before and after the accusations.

They might find a way out yet though. Let's see.

{Ed666's Note - if they are proven to be guilty on appeal I think they will be hit with a stiff punishment that will be seen as a deterrent to other teams but I think that punishment will be executed in such a way that teams can’t peruse litigation so as to drag this circus on for years and years. There has to come a point where we draw a line in the sand and just get on with it. Who has the stomach for ongoing litigation.

27 Sep 2026 22:31:51
I'm not a City fan. But I'm against the demotion to lower leagues. I don't side with them cheating, but somehow I think they have changed the league in so many good ways that the league is now more competitive, more clubs willing to spend lots, players are getting higher wages, attracting even higher amount of sponsorships etc etc.

they are some bad things too, but my point is, there are some good things from all this. demoting them will crush them. i don't think they will be able to bounce back that easily. i think best would be points deduction (10 or 20, maybe but not like 50 or something) and strip of titles.

{Ed666's Note - So your logic is if you’re a serial killer you should only be put on trial for assault?

27 Sep 2026 22:36:46
Guilty as charged! And everything they did affected everything that happened,
But and big but, any punishment they receive affects everything in the future.
Relegation into L2 ( if they win it ) affects who would have won it, pushing everyone down a place meaning someone not being promoted, each year until they return, and prize money altered.
There are no winners!

27 Sep 2026 22:50:11
If they did keep 2 sets of accounting books as has been alleged then that would prob move into the area of breaking actual law (as opposed to football law).
And @hazian given Everton got docked 8 points (after appeal), I somehow think City losing only 10 is laughable - particularly given Everton cooperated with the investigation.

28 Sep 2026 00:04:57
Did I say that, Ed666? I clearly stated the punishment that I have in my opinion. And i don't see the relevant to use "murder" as point of comparison.

{Ed666's Note - Its an analogy mate I know murders haven’t been committed..Ok so let put it another way. If Man City subject to appeal indeed been guilty of financial irregularities and we don’t get our two premierships do you think that would please the majority of Liverpool fans? Don’t you think we deserve some recourse/compensation? What about Man United fans? Arsenal fans? What about the teams that got relegated that are in obscurity now? A precedent needs to be set that if you break the law you will be punished. If we’d committed the same actions I’d fully expect us to be punished.

28 Sep 2026 00:50:14
There is nothing good from breaking rules.

From a starting point as the world richest owners in football, they've essentially stolen from everyone else by taking resources that would otherwise have ended up elsewhere

There is no greater good when it's built on a lie. We're not talking about Robin Hood here lol

And actually I wondered this yesterday about this very point that the league has potentially beenfitted from City cheating. Perhaps an ideological debate for another day.

It's a dark stain for the league.

28 Sep 2026 00:51:30
Honest question but does the PL have the power to relegate City all the way to L2 as part of the punishment? My understanding is that it goes beyond what the PL can do since L2 is governed by a different body and would also need to agree to accept City into its league structure. Either way, it would be extremely messy and I can't think of how they'd be able to do that administratively.

Does that mean that the PL would also play with one less team this season and L2 would play with one more? And how would relegation and promotion work in this case too? I'm sure some teams who would otherwise be promoted/relegated would not be which also opens a further can of worms.

28 Sep 2026 01:30:34
I totally agree there must be punishments to them, Ed666. I was just sharing my opinion on the level of punishment. And I totally agree with Faith, talking about the benefits they brought in, that's the discussion for another day.

{Ed666's Note - I hear you mate. I think we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one

28 Sep 2026 06:28:57
City haven't changed the league for the better. Far from it, they've just made it an even more cynical, hyper-pressurized pit it has been since about 2003.
1. "Players are getting higher wages." - Perhaps the top clubs were forced to pay more to compete with City, and eventually it trickled down to players at smaller clubs, but players wages were being inflated in 2008 anyway.
2. "Attracting more sponsorships" - The future will prove this has nothing to do with City. Baseline title sponsorship contracts may have been influenced by City's inflated values, but in reality top clubs have had to essentially become vacuous, corporatized shells just to even try and compete with City's cheating.
3. "Clubs willing to spend more" - This has been enabled by treating the competition as a league and not a platform for 1 or 2 dominant teams (Spain) like Man City have tried to make it. The Premier League's financial dominance goes back to the late 90s, and there are so many more reasons than City's cheating as to why PL clubs are now willing to spend more, the biggest being that they have the money to.

Man City are the most disgraceful club in football. They cheated for years, denied it was happening, laughed at/gaslighted everyone else, denied priceless moments to millions of fans of clubs that didn't cheat, and tried to turn the league into a one-horse race. To say they don't deserve to be relegated because it would negatively affect them too much is just contrarian nonsense. They deserve to be sent to League 2, stripped of their titles, and given a strict transfer ban except for departures. Let's see them learn the lesson of competitive spirit they tried to take from the game.

28 Sep 2026 09:24:55
The massive fine should go to EFL to buy their League 2 place.

They should have. a 20-30 point handicap for the next 8/9 years.

28 Sep 2026 11:18:09
Exactly what are the good things that City brought to the league? Everybody else played by the rules while they tried to accelerate their way to the top, essentially City are saying that you don't need history or heritage or having to build a football club over generations, you just need billions upon billions of dollars, political clout, and you can just inject cash into the club to get to where you want to go as quickly as humanly possible.

The entire foundation of their modern success, Pep and the whole regime purposefully built around him to ensure the best possible conditions for success, was consolidated upon cheating. Remember when Arsenal were languishing in 4th at the end of Wenger's reign and City essentially bought all their best players every year? That's just one example of a club that has a legitimate grievance against that club.

28 Sep 2026 11:27:37
@CrazyHorse, you may have valid points based on precedent. However the contrary to your points re: precedent is that, there is no precedent whatsoever for the crimes City have been found guilty of committing. Not in the slightest. Hence, this is extreme territory we are on therefore, precedents don't matter because there isn't any for these crimes, end of.

So in that vain, the punishment should be a lot stiffer based on the unprecedented acts of corruption, quasi money-laundring and obstruction of justice (purposefully failing to show their books and co-operate with the investigation), some of which are white-collar crimes that should lead to jail time for the individuals who were the actual chefs cooking the books.

As I have said before, the whole library should be thrown at them.

Cheers, man.

28 Sep 2026 12:15:46
Dracred: I think that's correct. They can't immediately relegate them this season without messing up every other team. This season a hefty fine which confirms relegation.
Then they can petition the EFL to relegate them further but that's up to the EFL.

Probably equally as effective would be to bar City from rejoining the Premier League for 5ish years.

28 Sep 2026 14:01:21
Hi Ollie - looks like we agree mate.

I previously asked if on the charges that have any precedent will that apply (as I believe some do)

I then asked if the ones that are relative to breaking rules that have no existing precedent will then set any future punishments if anyone else is daft enough to do it in the future (new charges = new punishments)

Then asked the question about: Breaking rules vs Breaking the law - as that's 2 totally different ball games entirely, as you've mentioned (again though the law on fraud etc does also have precedent and in my view should be fully applied - if you or I ran a large company and had been caught fiddling the books, at the very least we'd be fired and face whatever the criminal charges are that are applicable to said crimes)

As said mate I haven't reviewed all the charges, hence my initial comment, I do know a bit about the law though so was trying to understand a bit more around what sits where in terms of what the potential outcomes could look like - I've tried to refrain from suggesting what I think should happen because the law doesn't work on the basis of opinion - I was just trying to understand more about the charges mate as it's then easier to establish potential outcomes, as opposed to sifting through a load of "this is what I think should happen" posts.

28 Sep 2026 14:24:35
Nice one, Crazy.

29 Sep 2026 10:31:26
Plenty of Ambulance chasing solicitors out there Ed666 - where there's blame, there's a claim etc.

Can see some firms dropping a few no win no fee emails about at the minute.

"where you recently relegated from the Premier League, in an accident that wasn't you're fault, you could be entitled to compensation - better call Saul".

{Ed666's Note - love it crazy horse ?…I hear there’s a lot of money to be made from being unfairly relegated

27 Sep 2026 17:07:45
I've tried to be respectful of Slot and what he achieved with us, and letting bygones be bygones and all that conciliatory stuff. Then I just saw Iraola at Anfield watching Liverpool Women play vs. Everton. I don't even know what what to say, but the difference in approach and the contrast is just refreshing. Andoni there with his family watching our girls play instead of racing away to Spain.

I'm not even sure how many times Slot's family visited Liverpool.
People are different; I get it. I still respect Slot. But I just know I prefer our manager to be one of us. Early days, but Iraola clearly wants to be one of us! "Ain't heavy; he's my brother."

27 Sep 2026 17:59:40
The way people talk about Slot you'd think he actively tried to destroy the club. He had two seasons as Liverpool manager, one of which he won the league and the other he had a bad season but in mitigation one of his players died.

Listen to what Andy Robertson said last week about last season at Liverpool. Slot leaving was the right decision but how anyone can hold a grudge against him is beyond me.

27 Sep 2026 18:16:32
Some people would have him in prison, Fifth Element.

27 Sep 2026 19:00:45
I don't see the connection between my post and yours! I thought it was a refreshing contrast that Iraola has embraced all things Liverpool which is something we talked about quite a bit during Slot's time. I also agree Jota's passing had a lot to do with last season's malaise, but I was talking about culture and assimilation, not serving prison time!

27 Sep 2026 19:17:56
My post wasn't a dig at you specifically Noski, but just the fact that you used the phrase 'letting bygones be bygones' indicates some people still have a grudge against Slot. I've seen many people on here continue to spell his name in derogatory terms.

27 Sep 2026 19:44:23
Bloke was here two years. Won a league. Leave it at that. Happy we have Iraola now and only care about this season. Slots name shouldn't even be getting brought up.

27 Sep 2026 20:10:54
Got to be honest I've not given Slot a moments thought since he went & we got Iraola in - pastures new imo!

Must be the reason I've been so happily married all these years and not thought about the many that got away!

{Ed666's Note - I bet your Mrs isn’t thinking the same thing ?

27 Sep 2026 20:48:37
?I suspect you're right there Ed!!

{Ed666's Note - as long as your happy and deluded mate that’s the main thing ?

28 Sep 2026 00:52:16
I Rekon in that element and approach to the club - data driven (as Robbo described) and what seemed like disconnection with the club.

I think Liverpool people would connect with a manager who at the least appears grassroots. Hard to do that when you're apparently getting off every chance you get.

Is what it is really and it's not a stick to beat Slot with. He really did that to himself.

28 Sep 2026 09:30:27
While I'm sure Iraola is very keen on immersing himself at the club and in the city, the PR folk at the club are very aware of the optics and things like Iraola sitting with his family and next to new sporting director Julian Ward at the women's game is a good look in a long international break.

That might be cynical but that's how it works unfortunately.