Liverpool banter 2

30 Sep 2026 09:25:38
"Maybe Mo knows more about the 115 charges, so expects them not to be there next season."

My gaffer knew it before anyone else ❤️.

30 Sep 2026 12:03:58
Have a kit-kat.

30 Sep 2026 00:30:58
Just finished watching the brilliant film, 3 Kings about Stein, Busby and Shankly.

Blokes of my generation will remember them well and I've not really been able to separate them much as managers, but after watching this tonight this is my list of all time top British managers:

1- Busby - lost the brilliant Busby Babes who most likely would of won the European Cup in the late 50s but went on to build another brilliant team

2- Equal Shanks & Stein, can't separate them. Shanks for building the powerhouse worldwide iconic club from a 2nd division team & Stein for winning the European cup with a team of Glasgow boys.

3- Paisley
4- Cloughie
5- Fergie
6- Bill Nicholson
7- Revie
8- Kenny
9 - Mercer
10- Kendall

That's my top list of BRITISH managers.

30 Sep 2026 07:25:45
Bristol I can't give a top 10 but for me number 1 is Paisley 3 European cups and a UEFA cup and 6 leagues in 9 seasons.
Busby built a fantastic team and what happened was tragic but can only go on what he did win so he can't be number 1.
Also Fagan has to be in there somewhere he won a treble.


Top 3 Paisley Fergy Cloughie struggle to decide who is second Fergy or Cloughie Fergy turned United into a winning machine for longer that any other club under one manager but what Cloughie with Derby and then with Forest was unbelievable.

30 Sep 2026 08:05:05
Yep, True Grino

Its all about opinions mate but your spot on with Fagan,

30 Sep 2026 08:13:55
I've got it on my watchlist, Bristol.

The Yorkshire TV (Calendar) interview with Revie and Clough is also worth watching.

30 Sep 2026 09:31:36
1) Erik Ten Haag
2) Ole Gunnar Solksjar
3) Rubin Amorin
4) Michael Carrick.

30 Sep 2026 09:52:24
3 Kings is good, but can i suggest watching the Arena 3-part documentary made by Hugh McIlvanney back in the 90's.

Part 1: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kUOkErRQYMY

Part 2: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gZiGScYTL-Q

Part 3: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tqvdFot1gwI

Truly wonderful stuff about 3 truly great men - and includes interviews with departed heroes of ours (Joe; Saint; the original Big Ronnie).

30 Sep 2026 12:31:51
Brilliant CH ?.

30 Sep 2026 12:53:59
Bob Paisley was the best manager that I know of but if I was to pick a man to lead our all time eleven it would be Jurgen Klopp. Those were heady days indeed.

29 Sep 2026 20:25:35
Can I ask someone who may know more about legal processes than me?

City keep talking about irrefutable evidence, surely that was for the hearing? But they are still talking about this irrefutable evidence that will clear their name.

The arrogance of these lot is off the charts, they do not care one bit for the rules, they will drag this on for years and years.

29 Sep 2026 20:37:41
And boom it comes, read Romanos new post. They will wriggle out of this, they've had it up their sleeve since the start.

29 Sep 2026 21:22:43
OK! What are you on about? Their "irrefutable evidence" was already submitted and denied, they've got nothing up their sleeve.

29 Sep 2026 21:35:21
The appeal before another independent panel. Will not hear new arguments or new evidence from City or the Premier League. They will look at the decision made, the position the panel took on the legal arguments put forward by both sides and look if the rationale provided by the panel in making the decision and the evidence they used was correct. It's more about procedural, and looking at the decision made rather than a new trial or re-hearing of the case.

Honestly based on the wording of the judgement I struggle to see how an appeal will be successful.

There is the potential for them to try and take this to the high court but that would be after a further appeal hearing and sanctions decision.

29 Sep 2026 21:35:30
Yeah my bad I heard an interview that I thought was after the judgement (I have had a couple beers after golf)

29 Sep 2026 22:00:10
Whilst an appeal against the findings is anticipated, it carries low prospects of success. 0pportunities for mitigation will be minimal; the appeal panel is likely to give significant weight to aggravating factors, particularly the persistent denial of liability and failure to cooperate with the investigation. Consequently, severe sanctions are expected.

29 Sep 2026 22:04:10
As I understand it even if they go to the High Court it would not be for them to ascertain whether they cheated or not but more that City would claim that the Premier League's process was flawed or as they put it 'partisan'.

They are guilty of cheating. That much is certain given the statement released by the Premier League today. City will try to get away with it on a technicality as they did when they were found guilty of breaking UEFA's rules.

Their owners really have no shame and are an embarrassment to the club. The fans should be up in arms and screaming for them to be removed.

29 Sep 2026 22:26:58
What I want to know is. If I Lied and said my Formby window cleaning business made a billion pound more than it did, I'd be banged up in jail

So why Isit different from a football club? Which is essentially a business. Why are we talking point deductions, and not prison time?

29 Sep 2026 22:30:19
"Irrefutable evidence". City are trying to use Trumpian / US legal practice where the person with the deepest pocket wins -
by essentially playing poker. I am pretty sure this case is subject to UK law - but it is still difficult to win a case if the opponent is willing to use process to see you out financially, with endless appeals etc.

The complication here is that, in my view, the judgements against City are strong enough to bring a criminal case for fraud if the Crown so wishes. That would obviously delay the outcome for many years.

For the good of the game, I hope both parties can reach an accommodation: City to pump back significant funds to all the clubs it faced, and receive a year on year points deduction - one that pushes it back a league or two for a couple of years, without destroying the club, nor destroying UAE's investment in Manchester as a city (which is actually really important).

29 Sep 2026 22:41:18
It's just legal-speak.
Continue to deny everything until you have no more avenues to explore and then accept the decision.
Hope their lawyers make a packet from them.

Why are we not talking prison time? Probably because the offenders are not British and we have no jurisdiction over them.
However, they can be declared unfit owners, which will bankrupt City.

29 Sep 2026 22:48:36
Rio most City fans are still not having it mate - you got to understand where the club was before the bandits came in - for all their lives they've had to listen to United fans taking the absolute p**s out of them, but since the bandits they've had their day in the sunshine and they've been living the dream - bursting that bubble is not something they are ready for, I've got loads of mates who are City fans and they're convinced their going to get off ha.

Majority of fans I know don't think they've done anything wrong and the owners only bended the rules because the rules are stupid and they're only in place because Us, United, Arsenal and Chelsea are just jealous and don't like them winning ha - they're deluded mate, I've not heard one person even mention the owners should be gone - crazy times.

29 Sep 2026 22:57:07
There's very very limited grounds on which to take the matter to the high court and courts don't tend to get involved or make determinations on this as they tend to protect the rights of sporting bodies to make rules to protect sporting integrity.

As for the evidence, the high court won't be interested.

And as for an appear, one would need exceptionally good reason to introduce evidence which was reasonably available at the time. City are trying to obfuscate and frustrate the process. As usual.

29 Sep 2026 23:03:27
People forget that those rules were put in place to prevent the explosions that were Leeds Pompey and nearly us from happening again, because one more might have taken the Premier League with it.

29 Sep 2026 23:06:14
Another reason most City fans aren't kicking off with the owners: When Sven was signed as their Manager at the time he had won more trophies as a Manger than the club had won in their entire history.

The Bandits have pretty much made all their dreams come true, and they can't yet bring themselves to admit it's all been a bad dream.

{Ed666's Note - And they know the owners will carry on the appeals process and this process will go on for years to come so there won’t be any immediate sanctions. This will go to the high court.

30 Sep 2026 00:42:25
City can't argue that they haven't cheated but they can argue that the rules are unlawful. If they go down that route then I imagine they could be suspended from the EPL.
The courts would have to be pretty stupid to agree with City but English courts have been known to be exceptionally stupid in recent times.

30 Sep 2026 00:01:30
100% Ed - the general consensus seems to be "the owners will sort it, don't worry about it" genuinely haven't heard one City fan say anything negative about the owners, insane times.

30 Sep 2026 00:09:51
It simply cannot carry on for more years. City owners are criminal gangsters. Get them out of the Premier League immediately. I will contact Lisa Nandy to get this sorted asap.

30 Sep 2026 01:35:23
Monstersouness, criminal charges would be a totally separate case, and have no bearing on the league's decision to sanction or the length of time it takes to process.

30 Sep 2026 02:48:02
Provided the timelines of the two cases don't overlap. City will appeal, which should technically be concluded early in the new year, that decision will be final and sanctions should be handed down in the summer.

City can chance their arm in the high court, and will, they will have to build a case on some pretty ridiculous arguments, though, bias, conspiracy, unlawful process, etc. They could of course get a stay and delay the sanctions, but considering the number and type of charges, I can't imagine they'd have a strong enough case to actually pull that off.

30 Sep 2026 08:47:07
It's damaging the game. City is damaging the game. The Premier League anyway.
Irrefutable evidence, conspiracy theories and false accusations, terms used by Soriano, just show arrogance and that they think they are bigger than the PL.
It's no wonder people have had enough of football; or the PL, at least.

30 Sep 2026 09:24:24
I think this will be wrapped up quickly now.

The delays turned out to be down to City appealing early (which was rejected), so this verdict will be final, with very little scope for further appeal.

It will end for the PL soon, but the nightmare is just starting for City.

30 Sep 2026 09:46:08
It'll go beyond football this when city threaten other contracts and trading deals with the uk.

Can see it all coming.

30 Sep 2026 09:46:51
The second the owners of Manchester City started talking about a conspiracy, it just show how desperate they are. If they truly did believe they were innocent, nobody would of claimed conspiracy.

30 Sep 2026 09:08:55
Mentioned a few days ago why this is happening. Was probably not for the football pages. If there is a political page on here i can post an in depth piece on why abudhabi family is being hit from all sides possible.

30 Sep 2026 11:09:04
Just so I understand . how do the PL, as the people managing the oversight, governance and management of the league miss a discrepancy of £ 830, 000, 000?

City should just be expelled from the PL and not even considered to be allowed back until their ownership is completely replaced.

The PL management need to overhaul the way in which they apply fitness and probity checks for people or entities being allowed to own and execute operational management of PL clubs and clubs promoted from FA controlled leagues.

Anybody in a senior management PL position covering the period 2013-18 should be shown 5he door with a polite request not to let it hit their backsides on 5he way out.

Trying to wheedle their way out out culpability or penalties by ignoring the fact they are guilty as charged but by trying to claim the process proving their guilt is questionable is just unacceptable - they are lying cheats and I'd love to be in Liverpool in a couple of weeks to 'welcome' them and express my opinion of their worth.

30 Sep 2026 11:22:03
Lastfanofslot, what do you need a political page for? Just post it, clearly it's relevant.

30 Sep 2026 13:26:27
You have to see the overall picture. UAE by all means is a safe haven for a lot of money of wealthy people. (Especially Russian money)
And that safe haven is being attacked from all sides. Its all part of the larger events that have happened worldwide.

Abu dhabi has denied all requests from west to freeze any money and sanction any persons: institutions so now they are facing a simulated attack - first on their sovereignty and second on their global most recognisable assets.

30 Sep 2026 09:04:59
Ed666, City got nothing. They are arguing on process grounds rather than the actual evidence and facts of the case. That's all you need to know that they got nothing.

Just so we are clear. In the media and the public sphere is where all this posturing, grand-standing and OTT propaganda garbage speak that means sweet f-all that City is engaging in, can work and distract to confuse people esp. their feckless fans who have drank the "we have irrefutable evidence" koolaid.

Once you get into a court, judicial proceeding or legal/civil panel like the one the PL put together, none of the above garbage is going to work. At that point, it will all be about the evidence and the facts of the case. Period.

This is where City have been busted for real and their fans may find this funny.

But imo, their punishment will not be.

{Ed666's Note - I’m just merely pointing out that don’t expect anything to happen anytime soon as this will go to the UK high Court and it could be a very long time before there is any clarification. They have the best barrister(s) and lawyers known to man and I just think we should expect the unexpected at the appeal court. I’m not saying they will overturn all the charges and there won’t be sanctions but anything can happen in an appeals court.

29 Sep 2026 20:27:24
I wonder how much of the £1 billion pound Puma deal city are paying back .

29 Sep 2026
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29 Sep 2026 19:41:41
And fans all soft, mentioning points deduction or relegation.
As I said last week. Man city should be stripped of every medal and title. Complete cheats.

Klopp and Liverpool rightly deserve their extra medals. I don't care if x doesn't want it because of the circumstances. They cheated. Strip them.

29 Sep 2026 22:11:06
I agree they should be stripped of all titles. Not just from the period they cheated but from the minute Abu Dhabi bought them.

They wouldn't have had the squad they've had for the last 8 years if they hadn't cheated for the decade that preceded it.

As for awarding titles to other clubs I think there are too many variables to say with any certainty that if City hadn't cheated, another team would've won the league. Or different teams would've been relegated or got European spots etc.

Football isn't a straight line sport. If City hadn't got 98pts it's likely Liverpool wouldn't have got 97pts. One thing lead to the other.

You'd have to just strip them of all titles and those titles become null and void. It's the only real answer.

{Ed666's Note - in my mind Klopp won us at least 3 premierships..I’ve already had the parades and have the hangover to prove it

29 Sep 2026 15:19:46
Ed001 would you see Tyrick Mitchell as a budget option to strengthen us at LB? I've heard him mentioned as he's in the final year of his contract and homegrown, so how would you assess his strengths and weaknesses to do well in an Iraola side? Others' views also welcome. Thanks!

{Ed001's Note - I don't know, I have only ever seen him play wing-back which makes it difficult. He does seem decent defensively, but it is a bit easier to do so when you have cover. Also, he is not that great going forward, especially for a wing-back, until this season, when he has stepped up a bit. But that was in a very defensive set-up prior to this season, so maybe he could.

I have always thought he has more to his game than he showed, but he is now at peak age, so there is probably not going to be much more to come. I think he had lost his chance to make the step up due to playing under Glasner, if he hadn't run down his contract in order to get out of Palace no one would be considering him.

As a budget back up option who is home grown, then yes, but I can't see why he would leave there to be a back up. I would expect him to want to go somewhere he can play and nail down an England berth.}

30 Sep 2026 09:08:42
Ed01 you know me. I am always weary of defenders who do well in a defensive system.

29 Sep 2026 16:29:03
If the cheats get the titles stripped from them, do the players hand back the medals? Also if they allowed to keep them, will they become more valuable for being tarnished?

29 Sep 2026 16:54:14
Personally, I don't think they should be stripped of the titles and I think it won't go that far anyways. At the end of the day, they competed for those title on the pitch. Unfair advantage or not, they earned the right to be champions by beating their opponent.

Don't get me wrong, they cheated and had officials on their side for some reason but in the end, they fought to win games. If they were to be stripped, I don't want anything to do with the title at all. Btw, I don't think the players should feel anything less than champions, they earned it.

29 Sep 2026 17:18:06
I simply don't get the "those titles were earned on the pitch" rhetoric. I'm hearing it a lot. What am I missing?

The whole point is that Manchester City were the best team because they had the best players and ridiculous squad depth. The only reason that was possible was because of the financial cheating, which based on the statement just released by the Premier League was on an insane scale.

As far as I'm concerned everything they have "won" since the cheating started should be erased, right up to now - not just the period that has been under investigation. No titles, no centurions, no Champions League, no FA Cups and League cups, no four consecutive titles. Void the player of the year and manager of the year awards as well. I'd even want to see an asterisk against Aguero, Haaland and anyone else from City in the all time scorers list.

You can't simply ignore the significance of the financial cheating in enabling all of those "achievements".

29 Sep 2026 18:12:17
Take the lot off them. It was us they was cheating

Jurgan Klopp went up against a dynasty of Corruption.

Clear evidence of cheating from Man City, and clear bodies of evidence from the PGMOL certain refs were Bias against Liverpool.

{Ed666's Note - The mere mention of Klopps name makes me go warm & fuzzy and I’m like a teenager at a Justin Bieber concert. I would give my right pinkie finger for the great man to manage us for 1 more season in the future. Shankley, Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish, Rafa & Klopp what a Mount Rushmore of managers that is.

29 Sep 2026 18:28:36
Ugbes sorry mate but that's a load of rubbish. They were able to compete on the pitch because of what the did off the pitch, its absolutely blatant cheating and everything they won should be stripped, I don't want any titles handed out though. Leave them with no winner. Same as with Lance Armstrong, just strip everything. Doping, financial doping same thing, same results.

{Ed666's Note - I don’t understand why you wouldn’t want a retrospective premiership or three?

29 Sep 2026 18:39:59
That's a really strange point of view Ugbes. The fact is, as others have said, the only reason they were in a position to compete on the pitch was because they were cheating on a huge scale off it.

They simply can't keep any titles they've won since Abu Dhabi took over. It's all built on cheating and deception.

Even the team they have now has been made possible because they cheated for a decade up to 2018.

Taking Lance Armstrong as an example. It's like saying, we know you were doped up to the eyeballs with illegal, performance enhancing drugs but it was you on the bike so you can keep your Tour de France titles. Makes no sense at all.

29 Sep 2026 18:52:41
I haven't always agreed with you Rio but I certainly do on what you have said there.

29 Sep 2026 19:50:21
Don't want to be mean, but if the logic is that they competed on the field, then tie the opposition's legs together, throw them onto the field, and play a football match. Both sides would still compete! So the winners deserve credit even then!

29 Sep 2026 22:05:48
Of course the titles should be stripped.
Whether they are handed to the runners up or voided is a different question though.
I was going to make the point but another poster beat me to it that the players had to go on the field and score goals yeah but lance armstrong also had to get on his bike and pedal.

{Ed666's Note - in my mind Victor Moses is a premier league winner with Liverpool

30 Sep 2026 09:16:17
Ugbes, I couldn't give a flying fig about the whole "the players earned it on the pitch" stuff. If anything, these players should be banging on these corrupt owners demanding why they were lied to because essentially, their legacies have been destroyed due to this generational level of cheating.

Like RF said, strip them to the bare bones of everything they won and loved and send them down to Non league football for 5 years mandatory and pay a billion pounds in fines with a 5 year transfer ban. Seems fair, no?

30 Sep 2026 10:17:28
Strip all titles till the current ones.

All the cheating in the part has led to where they are now.

Plus they've made it extremely difficult for years by not cooperating with the investigation and still claiming they're not guilty.

Make an example of it and give them the highest possible punishment:

Strip titles. Huge fine. Demotion. Transfer bans. Point deduction for every year they cheated. Compensation to other teams who lost a title or cup final to them. The lot!

30 Sep 2026 12:57:29
I wouldn't include Rafa in with those boys ED0666. Just my opinion.

{Ed666's Note - I did mention Rafa mate. Would never leave him out of a list of the greats. Rafa divided opinion but for me he was as much as a warrior as Klopp was for us. He didn’t take any of fergies crap and had to fight a biased FA/Premier league as well as owners that didn’t like him.

29 Sep 2026 15:31:30
Can't blame City for their response. As Ken Dodd said to Lester Piggot, get a good brief and never plead guilty.

29 Sep 2026 17:49:02
Did he?

{Ed666's Note - ?

29 Sep 2026 18:32:31
Nice one, Rigsby! Made me chuckle.