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20 Mar 2024 09:01:47
That PGMOL audio and Howard Webb explanation for the Doku/ Mac Allister penalty incident is farcical. For a start, in the audio what they're saying is not a reflection of anything that is happening on the screen. It was like they were watching another incident. They said:

"Both high": They weren't; Mac Allister has two feet on the floor and controls the ball on his chest. Not high at any point, not even foot off the floor at any point. On the other hand, Doku is genuinely high. He is jumping with both feet off the floor and the highest of his feet is chest high on a player who is standing upright. Also studs up.

Mac Allister "comes into his space" - what does that even mean? Since when has "coming into his space" been a thing in football? Closing down and tackling is one of the fundamentals of the sport.

Doku "touches it first" - he doesn't. To the on field referee I could see how it might have appeared that way but when you slow it down and look at the replays that VAR were watching, you see that the first touch was Mac Allister's.

Doku "plays the ball" - he gets a very slight touch on it, out of control off his shin, after it's come off Mac Allister's chest and a split second before his studs go into Mac Allister. Anyway, we've been told all season - as explanation for various red cards - that contact on the ball doesn't mean it can't be a foul.

And then Webb repeats it all on TV with all his BS and trained hand gestures, like the David Brent of refereeing. It's astonishing.

In fact, if you were to play that VAR audio over the Gomez/ wan Bissaka incident from Sunday (foul and yellow card against Gomez) it would fit a lot better. High bouncing ball, both come in slightly high (but actually not as high as Doku was on Mac Allister), Gomez gets the ball (more contact on the ball that Doku made) and is just about first to it but his follow through hits wan Bissaka's foot (which is just as high as Gomez) . And if that was a foul and a yellow card, whilst Doku on Mac Allister is not given, that says it all.

I reckon PGMOL are in a position now where they just can't admit any further pivotal errors that go against Liverpool. They are already facing the potential of two binary/ black and white errors that they have admitted (Diaz v Tottenham and Odegaard handball) costing Liverpool the league title and the storm there would be around that. They must be desperate for one team to run away and win it by a comfortable margin.

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20 Mar 2024 10:19:03
Agree with every word, especially the last part.

20 Mar 2024 10:59:40
Just when you think they cannot be more ridiculous, Webb turns up with that insane position. Honestly, I really really hope that we win no20 and Klopp says what he thinks about PGMOL before he bows out.

20 Mar 2024 11:09:17
RR, you had to guess that Webbo had to go out there and speak with all 20 sides of his mouth to protect his boy or the so-called "Best Referee in England", NONE of which is actually true, btw.

So look at it this way. Webbo has come out to apologize to LFC on both the Diaz thingy and the Steph Curry or sorry, Odegaard incident, right? Do you really think he was going to go out there to give us a THIRD apology? Also, Webbo threw Oliver under the bus when he came out to apologise to Arsenal saying Oliver influenced the outcome of the game when he did not correctly send Kovacic off for a clear, second bookable offence. Do you really think he was going to throw Oliver under the bus a second time? Let's be real here.

And here is how you know Webbo is full of it (shocking, I know) . He says that the ref Oliver (who couldn't have seen the incident clearly as he was behind the play) was correct to not give it and that VAR was right not to intervene. But then with another one of the 20 sides of his mouth, he said that had Oliver given the pen, VAR would NOT have intervened either? Sorry, that makes NO sense as this is NOT a subjective ruling, as he says.

Why? Cos there is actually a RULE that explains what should happen in this instance of dangerous play with a high boot. Notice, Webbo does not talk about this rule cos it doesn't fit the rhetoric of defending the cartel. We're being gas-lit, mate. It is what it is.

20 Mar 2024 11:37:19
Agree with all of that RR and I will add that if you listen to what Webb says he actually contradicts himself and virtually admits that Oliver needed help from VAR which he didn’t get. He says:

"It's a massive game, so as a referee, you just want clarity and certainty that you're making the right decision. You don't always have sufficient information that you're making the right decision. You need that on big moments in and around the penalty area. “

Then in the very next sentence he says this:

“Michael didn't have certainty in this situation but VAR didn't have any clear and obvious evidence to overturn the on-field decision. ”

So what is VAR there for if not to give the referee certainty in his decision? Webb is trying to say that VAR followed the correct protocol but is also saying that the ref wasn’t sure. So why didn’t VAR send the ref to have a look to give him the certainty that he didn’t have?

The whole thing stinks to high heaven and the pathetic cover up by Webb is even worse.

Webb and his cronies are the most corrupt organisation in football and that is saying something.

20 Mar 2024 11:58:46
Absolutely no point of this programme with someone like Michael Owen presenting either, has to be someone who won't let Webb waffle his way out of things.

20 Mar 2024 12:34:05
This web fella was a police officer. I would not trust this person as far as i could throw him. It is time for him to be sacked along with other referees who follow his instructions and i mean now.

20 Mar 2024 12:44:48
@Beckers, Webbo already told you what VAR is for in his last apology tour. He said that VAR works hard to "corroborate" whatever decision (right or wrong), lack of inconsistency and blatant incompetence or otherwise, that the on-pitch referee engages in when it's time to make decisions esp. in big games. That is exactly what has happened here, for the upteenth time. Protecting the ref. establishment is the point of VAR, essentially.

Look, he was never going to throw Oliver under the bus even tho, he threw both he and the VAR guy under the bus based on his actual quotes. What I don't get is as you say, the more he spoke to appease everyone and still stick up for his bros., the more contradictory and full of it he appeared. The cover-up didn't work and has NEVER worked we see thru it easily.

And you know what else is funny? It just so happens that for the 3 times we have been screwed that the PGMOL have come out to address, City and Arsenal have benefited from these screw-ups directly and that's not counting the ones they did not come out to address directly. I know, it stinks.

20 Mar 2024 19:22:31
Let’s get to the basic bottom line- and criticise me for repeating myself
I’ve said it since it came in

VAR is being used to manufacture results

There can be no other reason for the number of shocking decisions or non-decisions made.

20 Mar 2024 21:06:31
100% agree with everything above, where i do differ ( maybe naively) is the agenda against Liverpool. many teams have been at the wrong end of dodgy officiating and Webb is doing nothing more than protecting his mates ( we know this is engrained in the PGMOL) let’s not forget Mike Deans personal admission which Howard Webb tried to say was wrong, again Webb tried to say that Mike Deans own personal account of events and his own actions were wrong!

The PGMOL are rotten to the core and only concerned with self preservation, not match fixing or grand conspiracy they are simply inept.


VAR is the scourge of the modern game but cannot be scrapped because that would only lead to worse decisions. VAR needs to be stripped to its simplest form, the ref, a monitor and the captains who can request a review. Watch rugby’s VAR in use, the players go to the ref and say ‘ I think there was a high tackle on x’ the ref looks at the screen and makes the decision, no ego involved, the refs want to be correct and anonymous above all else. For those who think Rugby is slower and the game is stopped a lot more etc have a look at all the rules that are involved in rugby and how complex they are, look how many players are involved in a phase of play, we are talking tiny tiny details, honestly when you compare the complexities of both games football is a simple game made complicated so there is no reason for this to be time consuming.

Finally, let’s get refs out of the spotlight and out of the tv studios, they are not the stars and are taking over every bit of punditry.

{Ed001's Note - just to point out that what you have said is grand conspiracy. It might not be grand conspiracy to harm one club above others, but it is conspiracy to cover up mistakes made by their group.}

20 Mar 2024 21:16:39
Fair point Ed, I guess what I was trying to highlight is that I don’t think it’s a conspiracy against Liverpool to stop them from winning the league although at times it does feel that way!

Can I ask what do you see happening with VAR? It won’t be scrapped but do you see any changes coming down the line?

{Ed001's Note - I hope it is changed because right now it is ruining the game. But with the ex-copper Webb in charge, it will stay the same because he can use it to corraborate what his boys are doing.}

21 Mar 2024 07:36:02
Webb was a copper in the South Yorkshire police. Enough said.

21 Mar 2024 09:28:21
" It might not be grand conspiracy to harm one club above others, but it is conspiracy to cover up mistakes made by their group. "

This!

21 Mar 2024 10:45:28
I agree that findings decent copper is rarer than finding a decent referee. Webb was probably rubbish at that too. They bottled that decision end of last kick off the game wouldn’t have looked great to the powers that be.

20 Mar 2024 01:30:18
My view of Sunday was, it became a little easy and we never backed that up with good defending. I also think these players will learn and show the Premier league, how good we are. Come on Redmen.

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20 Mar 2024 02:53:31
One thing I have said for a long time time, under Klopp I love the mentality he instills in his players because they go none stop. The utd game was one of them, it happens, it's a huge rival and we all know it swings in roundabouts, same goes for Everton. On paper we should win but it's always going to be one of them it doesn't matter how well we're doing or how bad they are doing, you just never know with these kinda of games. What is for sure though (in my opinion) is god help every team we face now, we had our bad game, now we bounce back and smash the league and Europa league. Both are already ours, mark my words.

20 Mar 2024 06:55:23
I think a bit of complacency has crept into us as regards playing utd, both league game + Cup game we played v slow. Probably stemm8ng from fact we have give them a few hidings recently and the media+fan build up is how many will lfc score. I would expect us to put that right in league game and play with a bit of anger and intensity.
Also sunday could've just been a game too many, we can't forget how many games we've played over last 2 months missing 5-10 1st team players.

20 Mar 2024 08:50:49
@Howmuch1, I and disagree with you there. at Arsenal in the 3rd round, the same thing happened to them in the first half when they could not take their chances. Nobody accused them of complacency. Even City have such games where they get sloppy like that so as @Salah said, it happens.

In the past, we have accused Klopp's team for playing the occasion and not the actual game whenever we play Utd and that literally happened when we played them at Anfield today with the media and certain fans of both sides claiming stupidly that it would be another 7 nil drubbing whereas anyone with a functioning brain knew that would not happen.

Now with Sun., I don't think cannot accuse the team of playing the occasion or being a bit complacent at any point, IMO. This is cos we dominated them from about 5 mins before the moment Endo scored (and got disallowed) till the 80th when we started feeling the burn of tiredness. During that span, Utd were NOWHERE to be found on the pitch or in the stands cos thy went quiet.

Why? Cos we were NEVER complacent in our actual play during that period. We bossed them off their own pitch cos we were focused took no risks and nothing for granted. Complacency does NOT give you that type of focus. What did us was our inability to take our chances. We had a 5v2 which did not yield to even a shot on target. That is sloppiness and lack of urgency, not complacency cos the approach play was brilliant. You need focus and control to pull that off, IMO.

For me, it was sloppiness and lack of attention to detail and lack of urgency and in the final stages, the legs were gone to the point that we now know that Darwin, Diaz and Gakpo copped injuries near the end. Complacency did not lead to such injuries. Tiredness did. Just my opinion.

20 Mar 2024 09:11:52
We keep failing to turn up in big games and saying we’ll learn from it. We never do.

20 Mar 2024 11:14:22
Oh wow, look who's back. It's OneKiss. Ain't seen you around for months and suddenly after we lose a game, here you are posting. So based on your response, did you come here to gloat as soon as we lost our first gale in about 12 (in all comps. )? Or do you only care about LFC when we lose so you can come spout your negativity, something you seemingly never do when we win? Just asking for a friend.

20 Mar 2024 18:45:18
Hahahahaha, Oli. You're in special form, today.

19 Mar 2024 21:22:39
When Klopp leaves could we still employ him to convince players to join Liverpool?

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20 Mar 2024 06:43:10
We could get him a permanent base in blackpool for tapping players up.

20 Mar 2024 08:44:28
That would be the caravan under the Central Pier.

20 Mar 2024 08:51:35
With you as his chief scout, you would make a "great" duo.

20 Mar 2024 09:19:30
There's as much chance of that happening as there is of you making a sensible post KnickerBollox lad.

20 Mar 2024 18:46:30
Stop knocking a guy who's trying. ??.

20 Mar 2024 18:56:27
Sensible is boring Flash. Obviously this was tongue in cheek referencing Klopp’s tapping up abilities. I do know of a few posters who are even more outlandish than me mate but not many I suppose ?.

19 Mar 2024 10:35:28
10 games to go in the League - I think we win every game and the League is ours. Will be tough but we have done these type of winning runs before.

Also, if we can smash a few teams then goal difference won't matter lol, though a draw in the Arsenal City game would be a good result for us

10 Cup Finals, and we put Sunday's disappointment behind us lads.

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19 Mar 2024 11:56:36
Bill, been over Sunday already. We lost and we have only ourselves to blame hence, we need to continue working hard and improving on all fronts including managerially.

We need to do this if we want to have any chance of winning the title and that Utd fixture at OT is looming large right now. However before any of that, one game at a time like we have been doing and with the injured players coming back meaning more options off the bench, we'll be solid for the run-in, IMO.

19 Mar 2024 13:40:59
Absolutely Bill, we'll do it mate, bring the lot of them on. It's our time to shine, we'll definitely be lifting that trophy. Personally, was only discussing it earlier I think arsenal will drop points, I don't see city dropping many but I believe we'll come out on top. Game on! It's an exciting time.

19 Mar 2024 16:59:07
Absolutely Bill mate. We start hitting 4’s and 5’s every game like we were earlier this year and we are golden on the goal difference front. But for my heart health I would rather a draw in the City Arsenal game. Or for City to win, because that would still put it in our hands.

The boys literally have to take it one game at a time and approach the remaining league fixtures like cup finals.

19 Mar 2024 17:14:53
Agree it’s going to take 1 team to get maximum points.

19 Mar 2024 17:24:50
One of the most (if not the most) exciting title races in premier league history.

City and Arsenal have tough CL games and Coty are still in the fa cup also.

We can put our primary focus onto the league and I’d still fancy us in the Europa with how we’ve rotated so far.

City and Arsenal will need to go fulll strength for every CL game they have left to play.

19 Mar 2024 19:32:15
@Bill - Yes, I have a feeling we will do it. With 10 games remaining it is a great place to be in.

Come on @Salah, @Davey Mates - let's get some good vibes in.

@Alonso1786 - I am not sure what I want from that game. A part of me feels City are more dangerous in the long run so, City losing will give us that comfort cushion. But if Arsenal wins this game, it will become difficult to stop them. Either a draw or an Arsenal win is what I am leaning towards.

19 Mar 2024 20:08:38
This title race is only exciting by recent standards. In the 90's and 2000's it wasn't uncommon to have 3 teams challenging for the title at this stage of the season.

19 Mar 2024 20:49:22
I think City will draw two games and one of those will be Arsenal and the other Spurs
I think Arsenal will lose one and draw two of their remaining games.
I think Liverpool will finish the season with 8 more wins and a couple of draws
We pip Pep to the title on the last day by a pube!

19 Mar 2024 23:27:22
10 cup finals and we can win each one. Sunday was a bad day at the office and we won’t make that mistake again. Pick ourselves up, dust ourselves down and carry on.

20 Mar 2024 06:45:01
Finally some sense being spoken.

Thank you Bill.

20 Mar 2024 08:53:15
Shughes55, Arsenal's schedule in the final 10 games at least on paper is absolutely B-R-U-T-A-L! Rather them than us, me thinks.

19 Mar 2024 09:13:14
We Are Winning the TRIPLE!

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19 Mar 2024 13:41:18
Absolutely mate.

PSR Regulations

19 Mar 2024 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, PSR Regulations

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19 Mar 2024 08:43:19
That’s an interesting article ed1. Cheers for that mate. Are we free and clear of any looming charges do you think? Or have we been a good little club?

{Ed001's Note - there has been no suggestion of any breaches involving us that I know of. Certainly we have never reported accounts that would put us anywhere near the £105m losses.}

19 Mar 2024 09:08:37
Good read Ed sounds like clubs are finally going to be brought into line, might even bring players obscene wages down.
But bringing the UK government weather that's a blue one or a red one (not that there's any difference these days) sounds like a recipe for disaster, there's just too much money in football for them to keep their greedy hands off and not corrupt the sport even more.

{Ed001's Note - that could be a problem if they decide to interfere, but then greed has run footie which is why we have a Premier League in the first place. We looked at Scotland's version, and how it was making the clubs richer, rather than their league, and the clubs wanted a piece of that pie. It has always been driven by greed, so if someone else sticks their finger in for a piece, the clubs only have themselves to blame.}

19 Mar 2024 17:12:48
Ed1. How does the government stepping in impact City’s case? I’m asking because I have ZERO faith in the FA having the balls to charge them. And if I’m being honest, I don’t trust the fact that no dodgy business is going on behind the scenes.

{Ed001's Note - imo I think we will see lots of behind the scenes negotiations, which will result in a new trade deal between the UAE and the UK just after City are basically let off their charges with a slap on the wrist (at most).}

19 Mar 2024 17:43:44
Ed1. I thought as much. They will get off with a warning and probably a fine. And we know a fine is basically worthless to City.

{Ed001's Note - I think so sadly.}

20 Mar 2024 01:40:52
100%, Ed. This is the real reason nothing will happen to City and the number one reason, beyond the limitless funds, that governments should never be involved in sports ownership. Clubs with government protection have no reason to abide by the rules.
I’m done with football with City get off their charges, there would be no reason to care or spend money and time on it any longer.

20 Mar 2024 06:48:37
Surly after everton + forest getting points deductions the precedent has been set? City charges completly different as has been explained but surly given severityof some of charges book will be thrown at them. there lawyers may wriggle out pf it eventually but if they don't receive stiff punishment in 1st place ye may forget about the premier league football.

18 Mar 2024 12:55:21
Edd001 are you still under the bed? Was that result a big blow to our confidence do you think or will it spur us on?

{Ed001's Note - I just think the players looked tired. They made bad decisions because they were making tired decisions. The injuries caught up to us at a bad time. We really needed that game after the internationals rather than before. Hopefully most of the players will be back to something approaching full match sharpness after the break. It could go either way now, if we come back firing it will be a spur and drive us on to mame up for it. But a bad mistake could pile pressure on with the players so desperate to win for Klopp and that could cause issues.}

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18 Mar 2024 14:47:30
When people like Gakpo play like we are 5-0 up every time they play no wonder we are making poor decisions, he needs a massive boot up the arse and Danns to be coming on instead of him until he learns we play at full pace or nothing, massive let down, thought the decision to take Robbo off was poor too, they couldn't handle that left side until then, i get he did it because Anthony likes to turn inside on his left but let's be real, it was Anthony and they showed too much respect for a poor player, bad decision making all round yesterday, field and the bench.

18 Mar 2024 14:53:43
Edd001 did you think it was wise with 1 minute to go to put everyone forward for the corner leaving bradley alone for 3 against 1. Endos legs were well gone to catch up.

{Ed001's Note - if he hadn't you would have been complaining he didn't go for it. It is always a risk. We stuck with the way we always play at corners and got unlucky, it happens.}

18 Mar 2024 15:06:30
@FSG. Gakpo is going through a horrible patch. He looks unrecognisable. But has shown when he first came to the club that he is a player. One thing I have learnt from our club is not to write off players straight away. I admit I sometimes fall into that trap. We have all learnt with a number of our players that we thought were done but they managed to pull it back. As for Danns, he looks like a very good prospect but needs game time.

The boys have to erase this game out their heads. 10 cup finals in the title race to bring to bring the Premier League home. Just hope City either beat Arsenal or at the very least it ends up a draw because that would put it in our hands. Play to our level and we get through the semi’s of the Europa and in a final anything can happen.

Yesterday was a bitter pill to swallow because it’s United and every fan wants to win every competition, but todays a new day, so you got to just take it and move on. But one things for sure we can’t afford to drop anymore points in the league. Or any off performances or games where we don’t finish our chances in Europa Cup because we will be punished. So a lot to play for still.

18 Mar 2024 15:34:16
Piling up for a corner worked against Notts forest and got us 3 valuable points, got caught yesterday but we attack minded team who always try to win a game.
And that's the way I want lfc to play.

18 Mar 2024 16:46:35
Spot on lads and Ed01. I was mad at the way we mismanaged the game as well BUT our guys looked dead on their feet and the accumulation of games finally told and we all knew it would at some point. I can accept a lost like this (our 4th of the season in all comps. ) under these circumstances.

IMO, I think it is just painful and frustrating cos of WHO we played more than anything else, a team I would not want to lose an argument to let alone a football match. It is what it is. At the end of the day, we play Utd twice and if I had to lose one to them, I'd rather it be this one. We go again cos Brighton like it or not, is a much bigger game than this one.

18 Mar 2024 16:46:41
@FSG, you attacking Gakpo is just showing your wretched attempt at scapegoating cos he was NOT even on the pitch when those chances were being missed so take a day off with the scapegoating cos it is just petty and of poor taste. Gakpo is one of the reasons we are even here to begin with cos he and Diaz were the only two forwards who were fit and helped us win 4 games in ELEVEN days, something Klopp himself did not think was possible before hand. He is having a bad time of it, just like Diaz and Darwin did earlier in the season. Pretty sure it happens in football to all players.

And forget the Danns comparison too. He is literally a kid and him coming on to effect the game full of youthful adrenaline suddenly does NOT make him fit enuff to talk to Gakpo who is a muh better player than he is, despite his tough run so far. Miss me with such foolishness, please.

18 Mar 2024 17:27:08
If the players were so tired it begs the question why did we play such a strong team in the europa when we'd already won the tie?

18 Mar 2024 20:53:08
Red-Will-is-1, it's not like you could field the academy in a European game either cos that goes against UEFA's competitino guidelines. We fielded the team we had and Klopp got reviews for doing so so as to rotate, give guys like Szobo and Salah minutes to get up to speed with their finess. Same goes for Robbo.

Not sure what the prob. is here cos Klopp has been doing this since Jan in an injury crises. This is nothing new and cos it did not work on this one occasion does NOT mean it was the wrong decision either as recent history has shown. Or are we now engaging in hidsight stuff again just cos we lost our 4th game in all comps. this season, everyone now seem to be geniuses after the fact?

18 Mar 2024 21:02:21
Really think people allow their own feelings and insecurities drive their perception of the team. I mean it’s natural I guess, but haven’t we seen far more evidence of this teams bounce back ability?

This isn’t directed at the OP but in general the response from many Liverpool fans especially regarding comments about Gakpo have been an embarrassment to the club and football followers in general.

18 Mar 2024 22:29:20
Not the whole academy no. But perhaps McConnell instead of Endo and maybe Koumas instead of Nunez for example. Endo and Nunez are certainly not short of minutes and could have been saving their legs for a game that mattered. Not hindsight stuff as you put it. Just logical, makes sense stuff. I'm Klopps biggest fan but like any human he sometimes gets things wrong. He got this wrong in my opinion and people are allowed to have their opinion aren't they?
We shouldn't have lost that game. We got ourselves into the winning position and lacked the game management to see it out. Players (nunez, Elliott) and klopp. Its a real shame. I think im upset by it because I want klopp to leave with the best send off and another cup and it feels like we threw that game away somewhat.
Im sure we will bounce back in the next game. I'm not worried that we've become bad all of a sudden I'm just gutted we threw that one away with some poor play and poor choices. It's a shame.

19 Mar 2024 00:53:43
I'm with Red Willis on this. The European cup tie was basically a done deal and we could have fielded a much younger team to give those who have been playing a lot a much needed rest. Players like McConnell, Koumas, and Tsimikas should have started. Understand that we do have players coming back that need the minutes too, like Nunez, Salah, and Szob but there was no reason for both Salah and Szob to play the full game in what is essentially a dead rubber game.

I love Klopp and what he has done for the club but I think we can agree that he and the team got it wrong for this FA game. I think he severely underestimated Utd and overestimated our players' capability to keep churning out results despite their fatigue.

19 Mar 2024 01:04:19
lost a game we shouldn't have at OT, won a trophy we arguably shouldn't have. it's sports and it's how it goes.
if the world worked as it should then City would win everything all the time.

19 Mar 2024 09:01:21
I’d prefer it if we were to win every game we ever play but in the context of what’s left this season, if we had to lose a game, a game in the FA Cup isn’t the worst one to lose. If we needed a bit of a kick up the backside this was a good game for it. Not a good performance by any means, let’s take the lesson and move on.

19 Mar 2024 12:06:03
Dracred and Red-Will-is-1, I respectfully disagree cos when it comes to lineups, everyone seems to be smarter only after all the facts are known and only after we don't win. That what pundits do and I can't stand them for that. A manager does not have that luxury cos he is dealing with the reality in real time so he has to go with the best info provided to him in real time. Sorry, I do not subscribe to that mess. And how many times has Klopp had the "wrong" lineup and still won? Again, not bothered with such things anymore cos there are NO guaranties if footie. The fact that I have to say that is weird already.

Klopp played the team he had based on the info he had and again cos it did not work does not mean it was the wrong thing either. After all had we taken our chances, would this convo be happening? If the answer is no then why da football should it happen now? Cos we lost? Nah, hindsight intelligence does NOTHING for me. If we were okay with the lineup before the loss then sorry, we can't come back an start kicking off on something we did not complain about when we were winning. If you said nothing then? Say nothing now, really.

19 Mar 2024 12:13:24
@ OliRed, give over, Gakpo was terrible and he lost the ball many times and didn't even have it in him to take anyone one, he linked up nothing and brought nothing, take off your Red tinted glasses, not bothered if you like it or not, give your opinion, you slag players and have a fit if no one agrees with you then stick your tongue up the arse of anyone who slightly agrees with you. The team selection for Thursday was ridiculous and cost us, the subs cost us on Sunday too, it happens, Klopp and his team aren't perfect, stop acting like they are and crying when people think they aren't. Salah got 90 mins in a dead rubber, then looked shattered after 45 mins of a massive game, that's poor decision making.

19 Mar 2024 13:54:40
FSG you have no clue what you are talking about.

How do you know that the team selection on Thursday cost us? How do you know that the subs on Sunday cost us?

If we’d played a weakened side on Thursday and sent Salah, Nunez et al out half baked in Sunday we might have lost 3-0.

Also if we’d left Szob and Salah on we could’ve lost it in normal time 3-2. We will never know.

To look at it after the fact and say ‘if we’d have done this then that would’ve happened’ is pure conjecture and quite frankly is absolute nonsense.

If you want to criticise players then that’s your prerogative but you simply cannot say with any degree of certainty that a different line up on Thursday or different subs on Sunday would’ve made any difference whatsoever.

19 Mar 2024 16:43:40
@Becker, of course i can, why didn't Salah attempt once to take on Wan Bassaka? He was coming back from weeks off and played 90 mins instead of 45 is crazy. Gakpo has shown he is a very good player but he needs to up his tempo, he had a shocking game so i called it, rotation is massive to help players stay sharp, Szob went off injured, different case, we missed his drive when he went off, didn't miss Salah when he went off, United struggled and we dominated the left when Robbo was on, soon as he went off that threat went.

19 Mar 2024 17:39:08
The thing with Gakpo is, he has been playing poorly for a while now . seems slow n indecisive. But I do think a fixed position for him would see him settle better . we all know he is a good player n he had showed it for us n the Dutch national team.

19 Mar 2024 17:43:07
I think it’s safe to say if Klopp knew Sundays game was going to go for 120 mins then selection and substitutions would have possibly been different on the Thursday.

Looking at both games now the Utd game was the harder one but I think we kind of thought it was a forgone conclusion after City performance that we would win.

It’s never nice to lose to your rivals but hopefully that result has removed any complacency the players and fan base (I’m Guilty of this) were building up thinking that it was a case of well just win every game.

Brighton next which is always a tough game for us but probably a good game for us to get back focused and hopefully back to winning ways.

19 Mar 2024 19:57:35
So FSG you are telling me that Salah didn’t try to take Wan Bissaka on because he played an extra 45 minutes on Thursday? Are you for real?

How do you know the threat on the left side would’ve continued if Robbo stayed on? You don’t.

We lost a game, sometimes there’s no one to blame it’s just football. We’ve had our fair share of late winners over the years and even over the course of this season but this time it happened to us.

If this had happened and that had happened we would’ve won is just pointless. Klopp had his reasons for playing who he played and he’s the manager with all of the info in front of him. Just accept it. You don’t know if a different decision would’ve had a better outcome. As much as you think you do, you don’t. Nobody does.

21 Mar 2024 16:28:43
So we should just watch a game without passion or feeling or no thought of our own because hindsight isn't real, nice, this sight would be quiet if no one reacted to the goings on around matches etc.

 


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