Liverpool banter 6

25 Sep 2026 15:50:17
What a day!! Finally some light at the end of this Man City breaches debacle.

Eds - hows about a poll on how we think Man City should be punished? Points deduction, Fine, Demotion etc? Curious to see what everyone considers would be a just punishment?

{Ed033's Note -


Man City poll

25 Sep 2026 16:01:23
I'm a need an all of the above option :P.

25 Sep 2026 16:05:12
I pressed all 3, depending on severity of guilt, why can't all 3 be punishment?
There's got to be severe punishment if guilty, to stop Billionaires from getting away with this in future.
Or investment companies etc.

25 Sep 2026 16:07:55
Too late I don't care now.

25 Sep 2026 16:19:52
I personally hope they strip City of the titles but leave them blank. I don't want them for this club and having no name on them tells a better story for the future IMO.

25 Sep 2026 16:25:41
I'm with Johnny on this!

Strip them of all titles & cup wins - leave the winner as blank - demotion to Div 2 and a 2 year transfer ban.

25 Sep 2026 16:43:42
Let them on the City pages cry and moan about it. Nothing to us and we don't want to be gifted titles.

25 Sep 2026 16:45:00
I'm with Johnny and Bristol. Reminds me of Lance Armstrong but I wonder if there will be lifetime bans for those responsible here too?

25 Sep 2026 16:54:56
Strip them of all titles won
Expulsion from the Premier League
£1billion fine
10 year transfer ban
Open legal action for affected clubs

Absolute stain on the game - the Lance Armstrong of football.

25 Sep 2026 16:58:34
Conference League for starters, that's the reason Guardiola left, the rats are always the first to leave a sinking ship.

Teams who finished PL runners up to them, should rightfully be awarded as Champions that season, that would give us circa 4 extra titles in Jurgens era alone.

And give Stevie Gerrard a PL title at last as LFC finished runners up to them in 2013-14 also when guilty.

Poor old man United we would have 24 PL titles and them 20, all thanks to their cheating neighbours, could not have happened to a better set of supporters LMAO.

25 Sep 2026 16:59:49
And this is just the start.

UEFA will be licking their lips at this, because it proves Citeh's evidence at CAS was false - meaning whoever gave it committed perjury.

It's essentially fraud. UEFA will look to throw the book at them once the PL are done.

25 Sep 2026 17:06:00
Agree with jonny and others - I don't want those titles (albeit I'm sure Spurs and Chelsea will!) leave them blank and expunge from their history.

I'd be interested to see how this poll plays on the Man City page, but I guess that will only give us Harry's view.

25 Sep 2026 17:07:52
Don't want them 007, completely meaningless imo. The joy in winning is the end of the season after the ups and downs. That cannot be replicated, leave it as no winner. However where does that leave the relegated teams, or teams who missed out on Europe? This thing is about to get very messy quickly in my opinion.

25 Sep 2026 17:48:05
I think the titles should be awarded to runners up. Just like the Olympics when they find out cheating occurred after the fact they strip the gold and hold an entire medal ceremony.

25 Sep 2026 17:52:42
Waste of time fining them, they grow money on trees

points and relegations

life time bans.

25 Sep 2026 17:58:57
They should just be kicked out of the football league. Let them pick up again in non league.

It wasn't just financial doping on a massive scale but there have been deliberate attempts to conceal what they did and at no stage have they shown any contrition or remorse.

{Ed666's Note - At least we’re not talking about Florian frigging Wirtz now ?

25 Sep 2026 18:16:08
It'll be interesting to see what the panel determining the punishment give their ruling and then, I suspect, we can expect City to appeal and it will drag on. It'll also be interesting to see how the other clubs are compensated. Clubs will not only have missed out on League and Cup wins because City cheated but they will have lost out a great deal of money by missing Euro qualifications an$ money for PL league positions etc.

One thing's for certain, it's still a long way from finished just yet.

25 Sep 2026 18:48:12
I think an apt punishment should be the compulsory change of name to Manchester Cheats FC.

25 Sep 2026 19:57:31
They can't simply be demoted, there is a difference between the football league and the Premiership, they are 2 separate entities.

I would like at least 1 point deducted per charge spread over the total lifespan of all the charges so from 09-2023 around 14 years give or take, or more simply the next decade. that would be at least -11 points starting each season which pretty much guarantees they won't get another 100 point season and means the moment they lose more than 3 games a season, they are 96% not winning the league.

They won't ever give the trophies to second place etc in my mind, but they should absolutely strip them of every bit of silverware they won in their fraudulent periods.

Ideally this will leave city with a 10 year gap where no one will want to join because they simply stand no chance of winning the league.

I hope that LFC and United particularly go after them for lost revenue. Given Burnley got £35m from Everton, the sponsorships and the lost revenue from winning 3 possible prems must be taken into account. I'd expect City to take this to a curt of law and lose, but just drag out the process. your're talking at least £100M each in damages likely to United and LFC. which City should not be exempt from entering as part of their squad cost ratios or ffp. Again hamstringing them in the future (which should entice them to bit the bullet now and pay both clubs off not to go to court)

This is all fantasy though as we know the PL is weak as Carlsberg and likely they'll just get 40 point deduction 1 season and a £50m fine.

25 Sep 2026 19:59:39
Stripped of titles needs to be on that poll as well. If they don't get stripped of titles, then all you're doing is saying your allowed to cheat to win. Fines, points deductions, and relegation don't matter and effect different people than those who cheated. For me they have to be stripped of all titles.

25 Sep 2026 19:26:32
Ed666, you ain't lying.

Bobby, may I propose a mosaic at Anfield with the world "C-H-E-A-T-S" when we play City in a couple of weeks, perhaps?

26 Sep 2026 09:18:36
@PBN, they can be kicked out of the PL and they would then have to apply to the FA to accept them into the FA structure.

I'd start them in the lowest division in the north west supported by the FA. I do have to declare that in this case I am completely vindictive ?. I'd be happy to turn up and stand on the touchline in a public park in Moss Side to offer them words of advise on the benefits of procreation and travel.

26 Sep 2026 10:03:51
OliRed, you may propose it but we have more class than that.
Why are you so angry about it? And everything else, for that matter?
You ok?

25 Sep 2026 15:09:56
Folks, do I hear correctly that 114 of the 115 charges against our favourite Manchester club have been upheld? Could be interesting.

25 Sep 2026 15:55:15
Yup guilty! Another 4 years of court appeals to follow.

25 Sep 2026 19:27:59
Downey, in other countries, they punish the club after the verdict and then, the defendant club appeals the punishment.

Just ask Juventus.

26 Sep 2026 09:19:53
Or at least someone who works for Juventus. Tis a day for light hearted banter ?.

25 Sep 2026 15:13:48
13 of the last 22 Premier League titles have been won by clubs that are now known to have seriously breached financial rules, almost indisputably resulting in significant sporting advantage. What a stain on the sport and the history of the English top flight title.

25 Sep 2026 16:18:32
Both our recent titles are even bigger achievements than they appeared at the time.

25 Sep 2026 16:22:36
I wouldn't go that far. If we were talking about doping or match-fixing, I would agree with you.

But from a purely sporting perspective, their achievements still stand. There is nothing you can take away from them as a group of athletes. They have played some sensational football and that part is fair and square.

You have to separate the finances from the athletic achievement. Their team was still the best with no cheating on the field of play.

25 Sep 2026 16:44:29
Spot on, Babbity, absolutely bang on.

25 Sep 2026 16:46:48
Babbity: Huh?

Why did they break the rules and go to such efforts to get around the regulations, then try to cover it up and deny it? Surely it was so that they could spend more money on players; transfer fees, contracts, agents, etc. And why would they want to do that? So that they could build an unstoppable team with £50m players in every position (when £50m was still a lot of money) + more on the bench. And then yes they may well have played some sensational football but that's because their financial cheating allowed them to construct a team that didn't have a single weakness.

When the finances are being used directly to build the team and to ensure that nobody can compete with them, you can't simply separate the finances from the on-field achievement. That team and that group of players should not have been possible for Manchester City to put together if they had stayed within the rules.

That's the whole point of this all along isn't it?

25 Sep 2026 17:07:28
With RR on this. They had no weaknesses for a number of years, which makes it all the more incredible that we ran them so close for 2-3 seasons. Kaiser Klopp.

25 Sep 2026 17:42:09
Justice Klopp and the reds. We were screwed out of 2 more PL titles.

25 Sep 2026 18:21:39
If they'd played by the rules, it is almost certain that the group of athletes could not have been brought together, No doubting they were a great squad of players but they cheated to being the squad together. The first thing they should do is strip the club of their titles, irrespective of awarding them to the runners-up or not.

25 Sep 2026 18:58:44
Babbitty - the winning of those titles were achieved by an accumulation of very good & great players through unfair financial means.

25 Sep 2026 19:14:40
RR, honestly I don't like phrases like "that team and group of players shouldn't have been possible." Why shouldn't it have been possible? For me, it goes too close to the MLSification of football where we try to deliberately restrict teams' squad-building in order to create more competition.

The issue with making too much out of the finances is that there are a lot of inequities on the financial side of football. Like was it fair that Abramovich did for Chelsea what Abu Dhabi did for City but he benefitted from doing it years before the rule changes?

That's why it's better to separate the sport from the finances. Did City as a group of athletes cheat? No. Therefore their sporting success is fair and genuine and still stands.

If City as an organisation cheated, then punish them from this point on. I would suggest a significant transfer ban is best. But I think retrospectively stripping them of titles would be hollow and not actually leave people satisfied.

25 Sep 2026 19:16:31
Without wanting to speak for Babbity, I assume he means the players assembled still had to win the competitions, and they did so playing to the same "rules on the pitch" as everyone else.

Nobody denies the team wouldn't have been as dominant if the club hadn't cheated, but the players themselves weren't cheating.

Hate the club for it, and there's an asterisk on everything they have achieved, but players still put the effort in.

25 Sep 2026 19:34:30
Babbity, the "athletes" are collateral damage here and as tough as it is for them, it is what it is and they should be peeved at City for hiding these things from them and lied to them.

When OM got relegated for match-fixing in the "VA-OM" scandal of 1993, no one gave a crap about the "players" who won the title (and the CL that year, btw) in that 92/93 season. It is such a despicable scandal that no one in France talks about it, let alone OM supporters.

At the end of the day, City is the guilty party here and anyone associated with that club is going to get it, whether they like it or not. Maybe City should have done things above board. You know, like many other clubs did, perhaps?

25 Sep 2026 20:10:37
I'm not sure you can feel sorry for any of the players.
They knew exactly what they were signing up for when they joined them and have done remarkably well financially from it.

26 Sep 2026 01:07:56
Almost undisputably.
What does that mean?

26 Sep 2026 02:53:08
Sorry @Babbity, the squad that was assembled would not have been assembled without falsifying contracts, etc, the athletes were brought together by misuse of finances.

Having been assembled, the athletes received massive financial benefits through the improper use of finances - or are you suggesting that they played for the love of the game? I have little doubt that the players were not complicit but they were still paid.

They were an excellent team and they had two of the best midfielders I have ever seen in Rodri and KDB and the lad Ken Aguerro was no bad player.

I think the argument that 'they still had to win the games' is specious. The group that played so well was brought together by finance and the finances were outside the laws of the game.

You can't seperate finances and athletic performance. The finances were the platform for the performance and without the funds to bring in the players they wouldn't have had the same team / squad.

26 Sep 2026 02:54:11
Sir, sir, pick me sir. Does ir mean they are disputable, sir?

26 Sep 2026 11:07:02
It's like taking a team of 15 year olds, lying on their registrations to enter them into an U12 competition

They'd win it fair and square on the pitch, so the sporting competition remained. But, just the little inconvenience that they broke the rules to put an invalid team on the pitch.

25 Sep 2026 07:49:56
Ed666, i'm surprised Klopp even chimed in on this but if he did as the quotes suggests, I don't see him defending Wirtz here. I see Klopp pulling out the receipts of Carra's pathetic witch hunts over the past decade or so.

Klopp himself told Carra to his face before an interview that he didn't care what Carra thinks of him and that he never listens to him. The receipts are receipting

So to me, Klopp is essentially asking us to be wary of this "Spitty" because it was Dom first. Then, Salah. Now, Wirtz & Isak. Just wait, it will be Barcola next when it is time to attack another player who cost a ton.

Also, keep in mind that this same Carra in 24/25 after our title triumph said Dom wasn't at the level and that we could "upgrade on him" after we signed Flo. Now, he says this same Dom should replace Flo. No contradiction here, of course.

As for Wirtz, he needs to realise that he needs to take control of things he can handle on the pitch. His approach to the game and execution of his decisions needs some urgency and aggressiveness. He needs to be more of a leader in his play, as well.

I believe if he does that and gets the help he needs from AI and Iraola and with a bit of luck in games, he can get his confidence back and flourish because the ability is there in spades. I know. I watched him at Leverkusen.

{Ed666's Note - Carragher is paid to be opinionated that’s his job which is to tell it like he sees it. Why are people so mad at him? Why should he go easy on Liverpool players that are underperforming just because he’s a Liverpool fan? For me that would be a dereliction of duty. And of course the last thing he wants to do is being seen as going easy on players of his team because that would compromise his journalistic and professional integrity. I’m just surprised more Liverpool players and managers haven’t called him out? If I was salah’s or Florian’s team mate if I was a Liverpool player I would be confronting carra when he’s interviewing me and telling what an odious prick he is. I don’t like Carra because of the way he treated my idol Rafa Benitez, and of course how he hounded the Egyptian King. I don’t see why Liverpool fans hold him in such high regard maybe him getting cramp and playing through the pain in Istanbul clouded their judgment. but everyone’s entitled to their own opinion. But putting all my personal feelings aside I don’t think it’s fair to go after the man for him doing his job. I just wish more players would pull him up when he starts his stupid vendettas.

25 Sep 2026 15:12:57
Journalistic integrity and carragher? Well I never!

25 Sep 2026 15:31:53
Is he not over-compensating and being extra harsh on Liverpool players and the club just to prove he isn't biased.

25 Sep 2026 15:58:36
As Klopp himself pointed out, Carragher's not worth listening to, why people get so offended and star lengthy posts over what a muppet like him has to say is completely beyond me.

25 Sep 2026 16:30:55
Oli, forgive me, what are you on about regards to 'receipts are receipting"?

Like I've said previously, I couldn't give a flying fish what Carragher has said about anybody. As much as I absolutely idolise Klopp, I don't care what he says about anybody either. It's just his opinion, it's no more valid than mine.

Oli, you're here again calling an ex player an "odious pri*k", when you have a go at people like me for daring to have a pop about Wirtz. You are nothing but a hypocrite.

25 Sep 2026 16:44:59
Crazy how many posters don't listen to Carra but write lengthy essay posts about what he said.

25 Sep 2026 16:26:19
How did he treat Rafa, Ed666? I've seen a few collaborations between the two of them on Sky so assumed it can't be too bad between them.

{Ed666's Note - honestly mate I don’t want to drudge up the past because I don’t feel it serves a purpose but if you dig enough online you’ll find your answers.

25 Sep 2026 18:30:51
I thought Rafa and carra got on v well, carra certainly played his best football for lfc during rafas time.

25 Sep 2026 13:05:24
Ed001 what's the thoughts on Will Wright see a scored a great goal the other night also did another great run with the ball too.
His he one that could lead the line for us or more back up striker or just one the club will use to make a profit on.


I don't watch academy football so not sure he is a big lad looks like he needs to fill out a bit more but if he does at 6, 4 could be a right beast up there.
Any reds out there that watch much academy football was your views.

{Ed001's Note - I have only seen a little of him and he looks like he has potential but not ready yet. He has certainly dropped behind Koumas as a potential starter if Isak gets injured. Probably needs a loan to get the run of games at adult level to establish whether he can handle it.}

25 Sep 2026 13:31:12
Just my own 2 cents, he is lacking a bit of physicality (which is completely natural for a kid his age).

He is not particular quick, so I would think he needs to strong physically and powerful. I would like to see him model his game on someone like Harry Kane.

Good potential and good finisher. That physicality should come. I hope.

25 Sep 2026 14:32:17
Dave yeah that's what I thought about his physicality but with him being such a big lad am sure that will come once he has stopped growing.
Once he does am sure he will get more speed too with his power.
Speed can always be improved to an extent and when he gets filled out and power am sure once then long gets get to full speed that should not be a problem.

A good loan at league two or one for a season should bring him on maybe league two from January for the second half of the season see how he goes at that level before a full season loan next season.

25 Sep 2026 14:41:37
Remembering reading one of his coaches saying he loves the battle up top, harasses the defence. Think physically this kid will be fine.

25 Sep 2026 14:06:18
What ya thoughts on koumas ed?

{Ed001's Note - I like him a lot, a really good player who can do a similar job to Evanilson up top.}

25 Sep 2026 16:19:47
Oh high praise that ed. Love evanilson.

25 Sep 2026 13:11:49
On a quiet afternoon, just a shout out to Liverpool's oldest surviving player who turns 96 today. Albert Childs is an England amateur international and a former teammate of Bob Paisley and Billy Liddell.

Next in line is Keith Burkinshaw, now 91, who managed Tottenham against Paisley's Liverpool in the 1982 League Cup final. Anyone remember him?

25 Sep 2026 16:04:03
Not quiet anymore ?.

25 Sep 2026 16:47:05
I remember Keith Burkinshaw well. Always came across as a gentleman.

I was at the 82 final. Remember Brucie doing handstands around the pitch on the lap of honour.

26 Sep 2026 01:13:32
Blimey, I remember him managing Spurs but I didn't know he played for us.
I remember the 82 final but I didn't go. Was that the one with Souness and Graham Roberts?
A young Ian Rush scored, that day. And Ronnie Whelan.
It was a proper cup final in those days.

25 Sep 2026 09:23:53
Given we have 3 weeks to chat among ourselves, just wondering if anyone had ideas for how to the Champions League format could be changed to make it more exciting?

I'd say try to make it feasible with the constraint being it's a money making competition so going back to the old days of knockouts between the actual champions won't happen.

I ask this as I have to admit, the new league table format bores me. Stakes feel so low before knockouts as everyone goes through basically.

25 Sep 2026 10:36:32
Hadn't really ever thought about it Taurus.

25 Sep 2026 11:24:04
Whilst it would mean we would still be on "only" five European Cups and would have played in the competition only twice since 1985, I would like the European Cup to have never become the Champions League in the first place.

League winners only; no second, third, fourth place teams going into the Champions League. No place in the Champions League for winning the Europa League. Two leg knock out matches from the start, no group stages where you can lose three matches and still get through to the next round.

In turn, the UEFA Cup (Europa League) and Cup Winners Cup (no longer exists) would still be much bigger and more prestigious competitions if the European Cup was only for the domestic champions. The rush to make as much money as possible from everything completely changed the landscape of European competition. Europa Conference. don't even get me started on that. Even the Europa League is a mickey mouse competition if the best three or four teams from the major leagues in Europe don't take part in it because they're all in the Champions League.

{Ed025's Note - im with you RR..

25 Sep 2026 11:32:29
Not an easy one to answer.

Whether it was the old format or this new one, the rules for seed/pots and league rivals avoiding each other until the later stages means you end up playing the same pool of teams in the main.

The new league format does give you the opportunity of facing 8 different teams, which is more interesting than 3 home and away.

You could introduce more jeopardy by:

1) Get rid of the play-off and make the final league position a hard qualification.
2) Extend the league matches to 10 or 12 games and top 8 go straight into quarter finals instead of a last 16.
3) Allow league rivals play each other from the outset.
4) Get rid of the pots for league fixture selection.

25 Sep 2026 11:33:13
I like the league format but there's too many poor teams in it.

As for the Europa and the conference league, again some poor sides in it but it's great for smaller clubs and especially their fans to experience a form of European competition.

25 Sep 2026 11:41:13
I agree RR, it did lose the prestige with the change. The UEFA cup used to be more interesting back in the day too. Would quite like it if at the end of the season they ran a competition between champions of the 4 biggest leagues (by coefficient, e. g. England, Spain, Germany, France).

It would be one legged matches, so a semis, then a final, all in neutral venues, all in the space of a week.

I like that FPF, an actual league table where not many go through really would make the beginning stage more interesting. Good recommendation there.

25 Sep 2026 11:53:43
We would only be on 4, RR.

25 Sep 2026 11:43:40
Ed025 – I think we've exchanged thoughts on this before but the frustrating great unknown for Everton will always be what they might have done in the 1985/86 and 1987/88 European Cups having already won the Cup Winners Cup in '85. Could go down a rabbit hole wondering what might have become of Everton longer term if they had won one or two European Cups in the mid to late 80s; could that have become a platform for more success? Doesn't necessarily work like that (e.

g Nottingham Forest 1979 and 1980, Villa 1981) but even as a Liverpool supporter I feel sorry for Everton fans and players from that era who never got the chance.

{Ed025's Note - yeah RR it was very unfortunate mate as we had an excellent team at that time mate, i know its hard to tell but it could have really set us up a European force, the fact that it was not our fault but the fault of our neighbours really stung but its no use crying over spilt milk i suppose..

25 Sep 2026 12:02:51
Rome 1977! - good correction, you're right.

Also no "you beauty, what a hit son, what a hit" - Gerrard v Olympiakos, no Istanbul, no "corner taken quickly. Origi".

25 Sep 2026 12:10:54
We reintroduce the old European Cup, domestic title winners only, no league stages, controversially, no home and away, managers have to compete in a game of "Power Slap" to decide who gets to play at home, bring in golden goal and old-school American-style penalties with the 35-yard run-up, if the game ends in a draw we toss a coin to see which is used, 11 usable subs, no 'technical area' restrictions for managers, 3 yellows instead of 2 and Stevie Wonder on VAR.

25 Sep 2026 12:29:31
Good point there RR, we lose some great moments.

25 Sep 2026 12:52:32
My main problem with it is that a league where you don't either play every team home and away or every team once on a neutral venue is not a true league. It is massively skewed, not just by the seeding but also by the luck of the draw.

There is a time and a place for 'luck of the draw' and that is in true cup competitions like the FA Cup - you might get Arsenal or you might get Accrington Stanley but all the balls are drawn at random from the same pot.

At the moment the CL is neither a true league or a true cup competition. It's a weird hybrid of the 2 and quite frankly it is a pretty boring competition until the quarter finals.

25 Sep 2026 12:57:20
Prefer the new format tbf, the mini league was very repetitive.

25 Sep 2026 14:42:56
Ban PSG that'll make it more exciting.

25 Sep 2026 14:44:29
Ed025 I hate the fact the finger just gets pointed at us for that ban.
I remember that game as a young kid and it was the Italians causing that trouble trowing bits of the rotting stadium into our fans for along time before the reaction came back then it was more UEFA fault for playing the game there because that ground was not safe to have fans in.
I also don't think the Liverpool fans had a bad reputation for trouble in Europe back then like a lot of the English sides especially the London clubs but everyone got painted with the same brush.


Also was it not Maggie that asked for the ban too because of all the trouble in British grounds at the time.
Funny with all the stabbing in Italy and turkey over the years no other country has ever had a ban.

{Ed025's Note - they made an example of the English clubs Grino, 39 people did die (none of them Liverpool fans) and i suppose the authorities had no option but to issue sanctions mate, unfortunately for Everton it effected us more than it did anyone else including the perpetrators, but thats just how it was and its all in the past as far as im concerned..

25 Sep 2026 21:17:50
Liverpool fans were partly to blame; you can't deny that.
There was a lot of bad feeling carried over from the final the year before when Liverpool fans were attacked by Roma fans after we beat them at their home ground. A lot of Liverpool fans wanted revenge on the Italians even though the opposition was different.

Funnily enough, I've heard reports that the attacks in 84 in Rome would have been worse had Lazio's Ultras not come to help out Liverpool fans.

25 Sep 2026 07:13:42
Enjoyed matchday 5 eds thanks?i'm very surprised how Chelsea have started the season had them as dark horses.

25 Sep 2026 07:47:25
I don't know if it's a modern fan thing but the amount of Liverpool fan pages, sites and groups that non stop blame wirtz for everything is embarrassing.

Having an opinion is one thing but saying he's the worst signing in the history of the club like some people have is madness. These are obviously very young fans who only ever knew klopp teams because back in the 90s almost every player except three or four was total rubbish and Houllier's last season every single player he bought wasn't just bad they were a genuine disgrace.

25 Sep 2026 08:28:19
Rubbish. He's far better than Sean Dundee.

25 Sep 2026 08:36:33
He's levels above Milan Jovanovic.

25 Sep 2026 08:52:52
I'd have him above Konchesky. Just.

25 Sep 2026 09:15:05
Has anyone said he's the worst signing in the history of the club, Nevada?
He's certainly not that. I don't think anyone has said he's to blame for everything, either. To blame for what exactly? Qualifying for the CL last season and being unbeaten so far this season?
I don't think it's right to call almost every player in the 90s total rubbish and Houllier's last season signings genuine disgraces though.


You're doing what you accuse modern fans of.
In fact, those reactions are more unfair than I've seen of those about Wirtz.

25 Sep 2026 09:40:01
Well said, Rigsby. I look forward to Nevada's right to reply.

25 Sep 2026 10:00:21
Steve finnan was signed in his Houlliers last season and he was excellent.

25 Sep 2026 10:21:10
I wouldn't say he's that bad, but he's definitely no Igor Biscan or Bruno Cheyrou.

25 Sep 2026 10:41:20
I would say Frimpong, Kerkez, Gravenberch and Szobozlai have all got at least comparable levels of stick to Wirtz this season. After two games Van Dijk was finished.

25 Sep 2026 10:06:19
Hyypia was signed by Houllier. I think Nevada needs to do a bit of research.