Liverpool banter 5

26 Sep 2026 14:44:47
For those who are interested and may not know 16:45 on channel 5 is an Everton and Liverpool 11 vs rest of the world 11 today. Not seen much mention about it like you normally do.

26 Sep 2026 09:13:04
Ed001

What do you think will happen to city now?

I can see a massive fudge from the EPL

It's now a fact. Not an accusation.

Independent appeal within 14 days. With no right to go any further, sounds good.

{Ed001's Note - they will appeal & lose. Then be hit with point deductions & fines.

26 Sep 2026 12:14:22
I personally don't think much will come of it. Look at it this way, the owner is a UAE royal. They guy is super rich, and is backed up or connected to other super rich people. Any action which would take place against City is probably already known by him. If Man city would be relegated, for example, one would of thought that he would of sold up a long time ago.

The fact that that has not happened, tells me the punishment will not fit the crime. You imagine how much City would lose in value of the club if they were relegated? Not to mention the financial implications on the Premier League, who incidentally, seem more concerned with punishing the "little guys" in the league. Money talks, and corruption is everywhere.

26 Sep 2026 12:44:57
You would have to give a points penalty statistically impossible for them to avoid relegation for it to be workable, otherwise it becomes a siege mentality challenge to the club. They're capable of getting 100 points+ so whatever the number is now should be an absolute minimum to remove any hope of achieving and ensures they finish in last place.

Then add another 50 to give them back on appeal!

26 Sep 2026 13:34:16
They will have to take their punishment.

I'm not into the redistribution of trophies and compensation. It would be too complicated.

However, a fine that is shared with lower tiers, relegation to league 2 and a 30 point handicap for every year they cheated would keep them out of the CL for a decade.

26 Sep 2026 12:46:35
If your right edd1 then all Premier League teams should refuse to play against city because points loss and fines does not justify
What city have done. City is owned by a Saudi prince worth billions so what does a fine achieve it would be like water off a ducks back.

Points deduction would possibly be the answer but what affect would it cause to the leagues EPL / EFL. It has to be a punishment to fit the crime so other football club do not ever try and cheat.

{Ed001's Note - there is no Saudis involved. They are owned by an Emirati.}

26 Sep 2026 14:14:01
The knock on effect from other clubs suing them will be interesting.

Clubs that missed out on European comps because they finished 1 place lower! Champions league qualification is a big deal.

Effectively they have denied other clubs revenue by cheating them out of what they may have been entitled too.
I agree I'm not interested in getting number 21-22 awarded to us without actually winning it on the pitch.
I honestly would love to see a campaign of sustained booing of City every time they touch the ball in every game. It would make them effectively untenable as a club. All of the other teams should make it clear that what they have done is just not acceptable.

The Premier League allowing this to drag on so long and the way city have behaved during the past 9 years must be known throughout football. It's not alleged now it's fact. 114 deliberate acts of cheating.

The Premier League is not fit for purpose. It should now be overhauled and an independent body with power to punish given overall ability to sanction. Having their own voting platform the way its setup needs adjusting. We all know the big clubs can dictate the pace as is clear the way this has dragged on. That cannot happen again.
Everton Forrest Leicester amongst others never had the ability to drag out their case.
They are the bench mark for what should come. City won't get anything in line with the above. Let's see.

26 Sep 2026 15:34:11
It's probably worth waiting to see what the punishment will be rather than speculate. The size and scale of the situation is unprecedented so you can't really say what the scale of the punishment will be.

26 Sep 2026 16:27:54
"BBC Sport has been told there has been little appetite from within the Premier League - both the organisation and clubs - for past titles to be stripped from City

Does that put an end to it?

Not quite, as the decision will be made by an independent panel which is yet to hold a "sanction hearing". That means it cannot be ruled out, although a points deduction, huge fine or possibly even expulsion from the Premier League are thought to be more likely".

26 Sep 2026 19:14:22
The statement from the City Chairman today shows arrogance and a total disrespect for the league and the teams impacted by him cheating on an industrial scale.

26 Sep 2026 19:43:17
I assume any appeal could take years as well, ed001? Thanks!

{Ed001's Note - I would expect they would have the sense to set limits on the time it can take.}

26 Sep 2026 20:14:30
Why is not one talking about expulsion? I am also pessimistic that they will be properly punished, but a points deduction even if heavy and spread over years is just not enough. They need to be expelled from the league which is a possible penalty and should be considered.

If I had my way, it would be a permanent expulsion due to the fact that they are guilty of trying to cover it up and waged legal warfare to delay and avoid punishment. You can't let clubs think there is a way to cheat and benefit from it so a statement needs to be made in this case.

27 Sep 2026 00:32:18
City need to be relegated. Juventus and Rangers where relegated. Titles removed. City owners need to be expelled from the Premier League. Anything less and the Premier League is stained forever. City will never recover from this. Cheating from 2009-2023. That's 14 years. The punishment must fit the crime.

27 Sep 2026 03:41:54
Snuggle, I don't agree with permanent expulsion at all. The owners, the people involved in covering it up should get punished, point deduction for club but to permanently expel them from league is too much.

The fans of the club haven't done anything wrong, the 100's of local people who work at the club (stewards, match day staff) haven't done anything wrong so for me it's a step too far.

27 Sep 2026 09:57:22
Incredible Bulk, I would be incredulous if it really was a slap on the wrists for City, it is pretty unfathomable considering every other team in the PL, especially the likes of United, Liverpool, Arsenal, etc. would be absolutely irate. Yes City have money and bring money to the league, but any other of the biggest clubs in the league, including Spurs, have more fans locally and internationally than City, who are when it comes down to it not a traditionally big club.

Would the league risk the ire of the 'big 6', alongside the likes of Forest and Everton and every other club impacted by their cheating, by giving City a telling off, or would it not be in their best interests to have City pay the penalty to placate everybody else and hope they can do something to sweep this colossal muck-up on the part of everyone involved under the carpet and hope it doesn't develop into something with generational league-wide repercussions? The financial and reputational repercussions would appear to be considerably less if they went down the latter route.

26 Sep 2026 09:03:21
Julian ward confirmed, happy with that.

26 Sep 2026 09:46:39
No nothing about him or any of these sporting directors for that matter but ed1 happy with him and he called edwards+ hughes correctly.

26 Sep 2026 13:35:17
I'm happy with it too. Only heard good things about him and we've also kept Pedro Marques too, which might be the actual coup.

26 Sep 2026 16:11:59
He couldn't hack it last time.

26 Sep 2026 19:56:55
We bought Luis Diaz, Darwin Nunez, Fabio Carvalho, Calvin Ramsay, Cody Gakpo, Alexis Mac Allister and Ben Doak, under him the last time. Brought in Arthur Melo on loan too.

Not exactly spectacular, but I wish him all the best this time.

26 Sep 2026 07:39:01
{Ed's Note - Reddevilfan has posted a new article entitled, United Need a Leader, Not Another Nice Guy

26 Sep 2026 06:27:41
I hope we and others sue man city. We should sue them for at least 500M. Its not just the titles and CL we lost its also the amount we had to spend to compete because city could spend half a billion every window. They invented the Premier League tax.

26 Sep 2026 06:49:35
60 point loss this year.
5 year ban from Premier League
UEFA punishment to follow.

If the appeal and lose, punishments are doubled.

26 Sep 2026 07:15:05
As a friend of mine said when u consider southampton where expelled from play offs last season for taking a peak at them training goodness knows the punishment city will get.
It will have to be v severe.

26 Sep 2026 07:40:01
I would settle for a 4 points deduction for each charge spread evenly over a 4 year period. Take them down to the national league.

Also the owners have to sell the club and banned from English football, they are not fit for purpose to ever again own a football team as a result.

26 Sep 2026 08:23:35
Lets make the punishment fun. They start every game 3-0 down for the next 5 years. At least we could see some interesting games.

{Ed025's Note - David Moyes would still play for a draw.. :)

26 Sep 2026 09:02:25
I wonder if Chelsea will seek compensation from them ??

Good call @RonK - back in the good old days of Rugby League. If you got sent off, appealed against the decision and lost the appeal, the punishment was increased. I think that would be reasonable in this instance. The independent panel assessing the charges certainly seem to think that City were telling porkies.

26 Sep 2026 09:18:05
What if one on the punishments is, they have to give 1 player to every Premier League team. Worst teams take the better players.

Would love to see what Haaland does at Coventry under Frank Lampard.

26 Sep 2026 09:45:35
City are the only club whose fans talk about which Barrister they're signing in the transfer window.

26 Sep 2026 10:32:12
If the charges are upheld against Manchester City, this is my take on what should happen:

- All titles that were awarded to them during the time frame stipulated to be expunged, no titles to be awarded the next best placed team for the league standings (ala Serie A 2004/05), arguments could be made for losing cup finalists.

- Financial penalties, all TV money and prize money awarded for each year to be recovered and distributed evenly between all teams that were part of each league season as well as an extra 10% of all monies to be levied as a fine and distributed to EFL clubs. Losing Cup finalists to be awarded the payouts that the winner received.

- Transfer Ban - 3 seasons, squad to be wage capped.

- All entities that comprised the City Football Group during the time stipulated to be found to be unfit owners and give the choice to either divest City from their portfolio of clubs and be banned from owning another Premier League club or the club will be expelled from the Premier League, should they choose to sell, fan groups are invited to form as the new owners with City Group agreeing to leave funding plans and funds to complete said plans in place.

- if expulsion occurs, then loss of money that the remaining teams would lose due to revenue streams to be paid by City Football Group. EFL not obligated to accept registration from next season.


That being said, I do feel for the fans who've been at Maine Road back in the day when they were the absolute s****, they felt the highs of winning, shame their owners have so far found to be fiddling.

26 Sep 2026 10:49:42
Maybe City would have been better off trying to force super league to happen, lol.

26 Sep 2026 11:44:43
I would love to know Klopps take on city being found guilty?

26 Sep 2026 11:47:07
I read that through the process city have failed to provide documentation / evidence. If this true the punishment should be more due to non compliance throughout the duration of the investigation.

If you look T the punishments dished out over last few years they should receive harsh unprecedented punishment. In my view severe points deduction which leads to relegation. Transfer ban for a number of seasons, stripped titles and owners banned from running the club in prem. That is bare minimum. Then UEFA to ac.

26 Sep 2026 19:34:23
You've got to consider Chelsea's "non" punishment too.

I think it'll be something trivial.

26 Sep 2026 20:24:17
Ron, totally different circumstances. Chelsea self-reported whereas city are guilty of trying to hide theirs and the extent that city cheated is still larger.

Not saying Chelsea's shouldn't have been punished, but I just don't see that information the unprecedentedly massive penalty that city should get.

26 Sep 2026 20:33:42
Come now; under no circumstances would such a course of action render us greater than we are. It could well have no little effect to the detriment of our own wellbeing.

26 Sep 2026 11:12:44
Made me laugh Ed025, regarding David Moyes.

26 Sep 2026 12:16:21
Just spat my brew out at that Moyes comment Ed hahaha.

Look on the bright side mate, at least you didn't blow £120 Mill on Germany's next generational talent: Hmmmmmmmmm.

{Ed025's Note - there is that i suppose CH.. :)

26 Sep 2026 02:57:19
Nice timing by the FA - they must read this forum and know we all get restless in the International breaks. Also allows us maximum time to set up a nice, warm welcome for our friends from Manchester.

26 Sep 2026 04:08:38
We know what you are
We know what you are
Manchester Cheaty
We know what you are.

26 Sep 2026 07:36:21
Stoneage - don't think we need anything that fancy mate.

Surely 90 minutes of "cheating ****ards" should suffice.

26 Sep 2026 09:04:32
'Blue moon, your getting shafted quite soon' .

26 Sep 2026 09:17:41
Some nice efforts lads. A few more and there'll be enough for 90 minutes ?.

26 Sep 2026 13:12:49
The minute you walked in the room we knew you were cheating bas@!#ds, reeaaal cheating bas@!#ds. hey big spenders. spennnd a little time in league 2.

26 Sep 2026 17:02:03
A little compassion wouldn't go amiss.

We are hardly David facing up to Goliath. One wonders whether any reparation is just.

I remain unconvinced by this course of crowing and revenge baiting.

RCI.

25 Sep 2026 22:18:22
Well the next PL game at Anfield going to be tasty, that's for sure!!

25 Sep 2026 22:33:53
Can't wait, KPee.

25 Sep 2026 22:54:03
I believe we'll win that you know.

25 Sep 2026 22:55:15
I'm thinking of getting some Everton fans to teach me how to really boo loudly.

26 Sep 2026 00:56:44
I think it deserves a song to greet them - come on your lyricists, get cracking.

26 Sep 2026 02:10:08

To the tune of Money by Pink Floyd



Money

Get away

You get a good team with better players and you′re okay

Money

It's a gas

Grab that cash with both hands and make a stash



New keeper, right back, midfield and star striker

Think I′ll buy me a league title



Money

Get looks

I'm alright, Jack, keep your hands off my books



Money

It's a hit

Don′t give me that do goody good bulls***



I′m in the champions league

And I think I need a Lear jet



Money

It's a crime

Spend it fairly, but hide those dodgy deals



Money

So they say

Is the root of all evil today



But if you ask for a striker

It's no surprise that we will find a way

A way, a way, a way

A way, a way, a way



outro

I was in the right

Yes, absolutely in the right

I certainly was in the right

Yeah, I was definitely in the right, 115 charges are BS

{Ed666's Note - super effort Carlos mate!

26 Sep 2026 02:31:20
Snappy!

26 Sep 2026 06:15:55
sung in the style of 10 green bottles.

115 charges of cheating sitting on your file,
115 charges of cheating sitting on your file,
And if one charge should be confirmed,
There'll be 114 charges sitting on your file.

and continue!!

26 Sep 2026 09:12:13
Just shout "cheat, cheat, cheat" anytime a cheaty player gets the ball.

{Ed025's Note - its not the players that cheated though Mikey..

26 Sep 2026 09:33:36
To the tune of "you fat b*****":

"You cheating b*******".

Unimaginative, but to the point.

26 Sep 2026 09:57:45
I'm with you there, Ed. Good morning to you.

{Ed025's Note - and a very good morning to you Rome mate..

26 Sep 2026 11:21:17
Sorry ed025 I have no sympathy at all for the players I'm afraid. They joined fully aware that they are joining a cheating club. They are only there because city offered them ridiculous signing on fees, wages and agent fees. So they are fair game as well for me.

{Ed025's Note - all players sign for the money Mikey and winning stuff is a bonus mate, or do you think the likes of Barcola would have signed for Liverpool if he was not offered £70m for his 5 year stint?, its just the way it is im afraid..

25 Sep 2026 19:47:51
Now City have effectively been found guilty, they really need to set a precedent and make an example of them. Stripping titles is pointless, as we know they were tainted anyway, the record books will show this. But it must be a huge point deduction to the level that we have never seen, this point deduction should carry over to the following season until they are back in positive points. The owners should also be held accountable, they can afford any fine they get so should be forced to sell the club due to the fraud that has clearly been committed.

I'm fine with rich owners owning clubs but the level of this cheating has never been seen before in English football, or that's been highlighted at least, so city should be the poster boys of what this level of cheating brings. The rewards of cheating were huge for city with them growing the club like they did, so the punishment should fit the crime.

25 Sep 2026 19:52:49
Hearing rumours that Everton will be relegated for this.

25 Sep 2026 20:12:07
Why is Everton suddenly getting brought into this, exactly?

Serious question.

25 Sep 2026 20:17:11
It's a joke Oli.

25 Sep 2026 20:31:59
There's a running joke online Oli for the last few years about the FA punishing Everton again before City get punished mate.

25 Sep 2026 21:10:27
If owners need be 'fit and proper' to take control of a club then that's what needs to apply here as well as the stripping of titles, and demotion to several leagues below (see Glasgow Rangers for the latter). Over on the Man United side they've suggested that Big Jim and the Glazers are put in as new owners.

25 Sep 2026 22:03:42
Thanks, Taurus01. Been seeing the same thing as well so I thought there was some truth to it esp. with the City "Bomba" having just dropped.

25 Sep 2026 22:55:37
LOL Oli!! ???????????.

25 Sep 2026 22:58:39
I think the Premier League can only affect punishment for Premier League purposes. They can't make the EFL relegate City to league 2 and they can't inflict a points deduction in the EFL - they can recommend a punishment but it would be up to the EFL.

The Premier League could give City a 60 point deduction for this season - effectively relegating them and then ban them from PL competitions for say 5 years.
That would be effective punishment IMO.

26 Sep 2026 08:22:29
Maybe we can finally get Semenyo if Citeh get relegated.

26 Sep 2026 00:47:23
Never mind all this stuff that City did, when are we getting a DM and an RB?

26 Sep 2026 00:59:13
I don't know, WDW.
But City shop at Harrod's & we shop at Poundland.
That was a big thing on here but the bailiffs are not at our door ?.

26 Sep 2026 02:31:24
Like we've saying for a good while now, football isn't a sport anymore. There was an article in one of the broadsheets that sticks in my mind from a couple of months (maybe a couple more) after Mansour bought City and it focussing on the economic motivation in buying the club.

At the time there were certain markets that, allegedly, didn't deal with the UAE and the purchase allowed introduction to the potential markets through the guise of sport.

My own opinion - and I'm absolutely, certainly not able to provide any proof whatsoever, not being an international finance, expert, lawyer - is that City were just a means to an end that had nothing to do with football.

I really liked City in the 60's and 70's - I liked Joe Mercer and Colin Bell was one of my favourite players and I liked the (real) City fans who stuck with the club when they went down into the old fashioned Division 3. They were lads who liked their footy and supported their team through thick and thin. I still liked City them and feel really sorry for them.

The fact of the matter is that the club won the three Premierships, the FA Cup and League Cups because they cheated. They couldn't have got to where they were and achieved what they did without breaking the rules means that they didn't actually win anything. They bought the Cups by using illegal means within the context of the rules of the game.

As I say I feel sorry for the genuine supporters - they have been duped by people solely seeking benefit for their business and who regard football as a means to a business end.

As for the owners, those complicit and the 'nouveau fans', they should hang their heads in shame and Clear off back to wherever they came from.

25 Sep 2026 17:41:39
Should city get stripped of the titles then I'm of the (minority) opinion that anyone finishing second or runner up in the cup should be retroactively awarded titles for years during that period.

I know people are uncomfortable with the idea but Man City didn't earn it fairly, so they shouldn't have it.

But whoever finished second DID earn it. Following the rules they fought for every point and those points would have won them a title if city were not there. Is anyone really trying to argue klopp did not earn those two 98/99 point seasons?

Even Arsenal and United earned those points fairly and should be rewarded.

Not retroactively awarded those titles to the teams which actually earned it is like saying those seasons never happened.

Just my opinion.

25 Sep 2026 18:13:05
Nevada, I completely understand the thought behind it BUT I would rather not have the title after the fact for it would then be said we only won them because I think stripping them of the titles and trophies is enough.

Leave it as an * second place teams would have won if MC hadn't cheated etc. The scarlet letter of C should be attributed to the club for a few years.

25 Sep 2026 18:15:00
I'll take them. ??.

25 Sep 2026 18:19:38
If the financial doping gave them a sporting advantage then strip them and give the titles to the the teams who didn't cheat to win.

25 Sep 2026 18:20:32
Being awarded the Premier League trophy is pointless in my opinion. It's just a number on a page now, 21/22 titles or whatever it is rather than 20.
We were robbed of seeing the players celebrating on the pitch and the fans celebrating in the stands, those are the best moments when winning a league title and nothing can bring that back.

25 Sep 2026 18:20:37
Fwiw the 115 charges do not relate to the 98/99 point seasons under Klopp.

For those to be stripped from City they would have to show that the earlier breaches of the rules meant that the subsequent titles should also be voided. I think that's a massive stretch.

Fwiw, I don't want second hand titles for Liverpool, but I do want City to have a proper punishment.

They broke the rules from 09/10 to 17/18, so 8 seasons. They should start 30 points down for the next 8 seasons.

They got the benefit for 8 seasons (at least) they should get the punishment for 8 seasons.

I strongly suspect however that they will get a 30 point deduction this season and a transfer ban for 2/3 years, absolute max.

25 Sep 2026 18:27:57
Forgive my ignorance, but aren't the charges in relation to wrong doings up to the 2018 season? That be the case, if City are stripped of their titles, it would hand United another 2 titles. I, personally, am uncomfortable with that.

25 Sep 2026 18:19:23
Only option now

Strip them naked, have them walk the streets, whilst the massive woman from Game of Thrones rings the bell behind them shouting SHAME.

25 Sep 2026 18:33:42
I'm all in favour of that LFC8. Wirtz would walk naked behind them as well.

25 Sep 2026 18:33:44
I agree with Nevada - were City stripped of their titles (they won't be), the runners up should be awarded them. The reality is that had City not cheated, Liverpool would have been champions in 2018/19 and 2021/22, and even in 2013/14. Klopp would have had the honours his managerial brilliance thoroughly deserved, but instead they mostly went to Guardiola and his cheating club.


Frankly, s*d the "whole celebrating with the players" - in Paisley's own words, "football is about winning", and Liverpool's immense history was built on winning. Liverpool deserved those titles when everyone knew City were cheating, as did Man United in 2017/18.

25 Sep 2026 19:30:53
i'd have to buy a new mug with the modified dates on. I am against it.

25 Sep 2026 19:33:52
I think I would rather just enjoy the memories than re-write history.

25 Sep 2026 19:42:01
They'd mean nothing. All the heartache we went through going toe to toe with them. It wouldn't change any of that. Seeing them relegated though would be glorious tho.

25 Sep 2026 19:53:27
Strip them of the titles, massive compensation due too to other clubs.

This wasn't a technical almost accidental breach like Everton's, it looks much more systematic and deliberate, and industrial scale.

25 Sep 2026 19:24:31
Nevada personally, I don't want a damn thing to do with their dirty, stinky, trophies/titles they won off of the greatest levels of cheating in football history.

The stench of their hands and the odious odour of their trophies in that awfully stinky trophy room is something I will never be able to overcome.

So for me, the league titles we essentially rightfully won, should be null and voided with a big, fat asterisk put on each of them with no titles attributed to LFC.

That way, I want their fans to deal with the consequences of their hubris, disdain and complete lack of regard for ethics, integrity and sportsmanship.

That's just me.

25 Sep 2026 20:34:21
Looking forward to greeting man city at the mighty Oxford United's Kasam tri-sided-stadium. There is an airport nearby for their Abu Dhabi directors and owners to land their helicopters (for a fee).

25 Sep 2026 20:34:47
Although the charges are from 2008/9 up until 2017/18, it gave City the foundation and impetus to succeed in the years that followed.

Whatever punishment they decide upon it has to be severe otherwise the integrity of the EPL will be questioned.

25 Sep 2026 20:47:18
But what about the teams they beat that got relegated, the teams that finished one spot out of a European position. This literally could go on and on! Yes strip them of all their titles, but I can't agree with awarding them to the runners up because where's the justice for all the teams affected in other ways.

Let's just hope they get the punishment that they deserve and that they never recover from it. Because short term nothing will change will it!

25 Sep 2026 21:37:27
I've never known anyone be so upset with anything as Oli is with this.

"The stench of their hands and the odious odour of their trophies in that awfully stinky trophy room is something I will never be able to overcome"??

Really? Have a lie down, Oli, you'll feel better in the morning.

25 Sep 2026 22:57:50
H'ON THE OLI!!!@????????.

25 Sep 2026 23:05:27
I'm with Nevada. Well said!!

26 Sep 2026 15:36:54
Strip the titles. Give titles to runners-up. Compensation to affected teams. Transfer ban for x years. Points deduction for x days.

Make an example out of them or other teams will continue to find ways to cheat.

26 Sep 2026 00:51:23
I don't think anyone can overcome an awfully stinky trophy room.
It is what it is.
Just my take.

26 Sep 2026 03:02:57
They should be stripped and awarded to runners up but that won't happen.

26 Sep 2026 09:12:19
I think City's name should be removed and there should just be an asterisk for each of the titles as a reminder that cheats don't in and as an aid to football authorities not to let this happen again.

26 Sep 2026 10:08:41
The irony here is Lowe1FC saying "football is all about winning " is exactly what the Manchester City owners thought.
Maybe that poster should support that club.

26 Sep 2026 11:04:03
I'd rather not have the titles awarded to the runner up.

As much as it'd be an asterisk for City being stripped, it'd be an asterisk for the runners-up to be awarded the title on a technicality.

The other thing is that we don't actually know how the league would have played out had City been within the rules.

26 Sep 2026 14:46:52
If we get the 2013/14 title, Brendan Rodgers gets the credit. Imagine that. ???.

26 Sep 2026 16:52:41
If I was the FA, I'd be taking a quick squizz at the rules governing Furness of ownership. I say comprehensive fraud year on year and the falsification of contracts that have earned them literally millions would render them unfit. It's not just about football,