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22 Jun 2024 14:25:37
Hi eds1
Just wondering if you’ve been watching any of the euros mate and if so what do you think of the automated offsides and the reffing/ VAR in general. I like the automated offside and am praying we get the same system in the prem. I’ve not seen every game but what I have seen the VAR is either very quick or hardly ever used which I also really like. It just seems so much better any what we are used to. Just interested in yours and everyone else’s views on it?
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{Ed001's Note - not watched anything other than the odd highlight people have sent me, sorry. It is not being shown here at all.}
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22 Jun 2024 15:06:28
I’ve watched a fair few games Longthing and the automated offsides works very well and quickly. I think it is due in the PL this season but maybe not for the start of it. Not 100% on that tho 🥴.
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22 Jun 2024 15:46:33
I think the automated offside being used in the euros will be different to what will be in the prem. Something to do with Adidas owning the patent for where the chip is situated in football. The prem have a sponsor with nike football.
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22 Jun 2024 16:31:40
Why oh why whilst watching the euros do the oundits have to talk about England all the time.
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22 Jun 2024 16:43:32
I think the reffing and the automated systems have worked quite well and certainly with a lot more speed than in the PL. Ironically the worst reffed game was Anthony Taylor during France and Netherlands. Hopefully we get something similar in the PL in regards to the automated offside.
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22 Jun 2024 17:00:24
The Netherlands offside was subjective, but the English refs took the usual 5 mins to have a discussion about it. Personally I would of given it offside, but I can see why people think he didn’t interfere.
As for the semi automated offsides, they work great. I have noticed there is sometime a little delay in the viewer seeing the image though.
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22 Jun 2024 17:28:32
Ashy is spot on about the Adidas patent so the prem system will be different in that the VAR will still have to use freeze frame to establish when the ball is passed. It should be quicker in that no lines will have to be drawn anymore though.
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22 Jun 2024 18:41:07
Whatever the PL do will be dumb. Sorry to say, but I see no evidence of intelligence from them.
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22 Jun 2024 18:45:22
All this great football and you guys still only want to talk about the referees.
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22 Jun 2024 19:36:52
I’ve enjoyed it.
Turkey have been interesting
Romania looked great.
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22 Jun 2024 20:01:42
I have been impressed with many of the performances I have watched and really impressed with the performances of certain players like Napoli ans Slovakia midfielder Lobotka, ours and Holland's Cody Gokpa, Slovenia's Sesko and several more. Some of the goals have been belters, as well.
The officiating has been very good as well and VAR has worked majority of the time. For the Holland vs France incident, I thought it was offside cos Dumphries is not only offside when Simmons shoots, he is right beside Megnian hence, preventing him from making a diving attempt (as he would have collided with him) hence, interfering with play. Not sure why the English pundits where slaying Talor and Atwell for it.
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22 Jun 2024 20:33:02
I agree with the fact that the goal was correctly ruled out let's see what the pundits would have said had the keeper been pickford.
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22 Jun 2024 20:34:56
Another point t for discussion and I'm sorry folks if it comes across as sexist bit I believe the PC brigade is going overboard as I reckon we have too many female pundits of which most of them talk garbage sorry just my opinion folks.
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22 Jun 2024 21:16:01
Some (most) of the male ones speak garbage too but rather than blame their gender we just ridicule them personally.
Some of the female pundits are more insightful.
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22 Jun 2024 21:39:58
I’m watching in Germany and our pundits our klinsmann, ballack, Matthaus and mustafi. All people who have played in the tournament not sure what goes on in England but I can’t complain here it’s fantastic.
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22 Jun 2024 22:15:09
There have been some really good games. Turkey look strong. Germany and France too. Surprised with Belgium. Not surprised with England. 😆.
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23 Jun 2024 01:57:32
Haven’t even noticed “too many” female pundits.
Really think some of you need tog at over yourselves.
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22 Jun 2024 10:21:39
thekoparmy has written an article entitled, Comments On England And Trent
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22 Jun 2024 10:58:56
26 man squad and 1 left footed defender who is injured. Could have brought Mitchell from palace. Trippier cuts in and Foden cuts in so
Nobody on left it’s pathetic, never seen worse management ever.
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22 Jun 2024 11:08:11
Colonel while on the other hand, The Waist Coat selects about 3 or 4 players who can ALL play right back. Make sense of that, if you dare.
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22 Jun 2024 11:11:18
Waist Coat loves right backs Oli.
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22 Jun 2024 11:41:07
Well apparently to a lot on here Gomez was outstanding at Left back so what’s the issue🤷♂️.
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22 Jun 2024 12:06:29
You know it, SR. Gomez, Trent, Trippier, Walker and pretty sure if I looked harder, I would find a couple more. Oh wait, Konsa from Villa so that's 5.
Still digging, tho cos there's a 6th one somewhere in that unbalanced squad of his.
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22 Jun 2024 12:11:37
But Gomez is obviously not in GS plans and only there as an emergency! Has he got to that stage yet, only he knows? If I see Trent playing a double pivot with Rice again, I know GS days are numbered.
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22 Jun 2024 12:57:51
How’s he not in Southgate’s plans? Gomez made the squad didn’t he? I mean he’s not there to carry the kit and if both LBs are unavailable, isn’t that an emergency?
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22 Jun 2024 13:30:17
Southgate is not going to be England manager for another major tournament cycle anyway Keith. I think he'll quit if he's not sacked.
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22 Jun 2024 14:15:18
Isn’t it an emergency if tripper is playing!
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22 Jun 2024 15:53:30
Or a miracle if Shaw plays - he is still training on his own. Real waste of space on the bus. Mind you he isn’t much better when he isn’t injured.
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22 Jun 2024 17:29:27
I thought Southgate had a contract waiting for him to sign. It's up to him to decide to walk away. I don't think he'll sign but the worrying thing is the England hierarchy don't see what 99% of everyone else does.
Can't wait for him to rock up at Old Trafford as the ETH replacement in December.
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22 Jun 2024 09:54:54
Is it any wonder so many scousers who in my opinion know more about football than any other city in the UK detest supporting England. Having to listen to these pundits and media outlets talk absolute trash is just laughable. To blame it all on Trent is as lazy as it comes. He is being treated the same way he is during the season and it is disgusting.
My advice to Trent would be to go to Madrid and escape this foul little country full of brain dead pundits and media outlets. Every single England player has been average and that is it. Personally I am just looking forward to this tourney being over already. sick of listening to these televised morons.
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22 Jun 2024 10:14:51
TbF I don’t think they blamed it all on Trent- but did say it was a gamble/ mistake (which it is) for Southgate to play him there
I don’t know many other countries that would stick someone who has played his senior career at RB into a starting CM role in a major tournament
The way Southgate has set up basically negates all Trent’s qualities anyhow so it’s pretty pointless having him in there
Slow passing-no pressing-no quick turnovers- no runs in behind- no opportunity to play king raking passes
Southgate is a complete fraud and his team boring to watch.
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22 Jun 2024 10:17:06
Is it any wonder so many scousers who in my opinion know more about football than any other city in the UK
🤦🏻♂️.
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22 Jun 2024 10:22:20
There's a lot more to the Scouse not English thing than football.
I don't think TAA is getting all the blame either. Maybe I'm missing it but I'm seeing other names and reasons for the performances not just TAAs. And is it just hate towards Trent? It is a risk playing him in midfield in a major tournament with so little experience playing there but he doesn't pick the team and Trent isn't above criticism or analysis.
One person, thing or decision will not be the reason we don't win the competition playing brilliant football but I do realise that sometimes is easier to have one thing to blame. It's human nature and I've seen it on here with Southgate, too.
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22 Jun 2024 10:44:25
Plenty of other footballers outside of Liverpool have been trashed over the years also. It isn’t just a Liverpool.
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22 Jun 2024 11:01:07
Wait until you find out how much they get trashed at Madrid.
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22 Jun 2024 11:43:22
Yeah after living in Madrid for one year, I realised how much worse the media is there than here. Just go ask Vini Jr.
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22 Jun 2024 13:37:14
Got to have a snigger at the scout lambasting clueless pundits.
Pot, kettle and all that.
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22 Jun 2024 15:55:23
@OP, I here RM are in the market for a top class armchair scout - I’ve put your name forward,
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22 Jun 2024 16:50:17
All these people saying Trent isn’t getting all the blame, every major pundit on BBC and ITV are putting the tactical disasterclass on Trent.
Neville: “Trent has no talent to play in midfield”.
Keane: “Trent should be nowhere near there”
Rooney: “Trent can’t defend”.
I mean just go on the Sky app and it’s all about the Trent experiment must end. Gallagher came on and was woeful and far worse than Trent. If England played on the front foot Trent in midfield would work. If they put Bellingham there with these deep lying tactics and no desire to press he’d be garbage too.
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22 Jun 2024 18:42:49
I’m not hearing Trent get all the blame. Well other than Roy Keane who makes his critique more about Trent’s ability in midfield. Which btw is a view shared by many in here.
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22 Jun 2024 18:58:15
I don't think it's all about TAA either. Trent doesn't pick the team so if the experiment doesn't work then someone else is accountable.
He's not the best defensively- I think we all agree on that- so what did people expect?
To be fair to Rooney and Keane, they criticised the move to put him there before the first game. They questioned the selection not the player.
And I keep hearing that word 'blame' again. We've played two games and are top of the group! Is TAA and his selection in midfield to blame if we win the group or the whole tournament? 😂.
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22 Jun 2024 20:27:12
Rigsby, you said it yourself. Southgate is who is to blame for the experiment so why is the player who did not pick himself nor deploy the "experimental" tactics, being criticised for the experiment NOT working? Could it be that it's cos the bias towards Trent was already in place years a go and purely orchestrated by Southgate himself when he was asked why Trent was not picked for a game in the 20/ 21 season and he hung him out to dry in the media?
IMO, that was when the witchunt against Trent started cos Southgate did NOT know what to do with such a player and cos he is a defensive minded manager, he washed his hands off him and now plays him in midfield in a crappy setup. And do you not find it interesting that The Waist Coat literally said the midfield was struggling cos of the absence of the "indispensable" Calvin Philips? I mean, this guy is a "real" one, isn't he?
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{Ed025's Note - its hardly a "Witch Hunt" Oli, but i do agree the way England are playing is down to nothing except the ineptitude of the coach..
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22 Jun 2024 20:57:45
I think Southgate is getting a lot of stick, too.
Some of those that believe TAA is getting abuse are themselves abusing Southgate.
Don't get me wrong, I've no time for Southgate but let's not make out that it's all about Trent whilst insulting the manager at the same time.
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22 Jun 2024 21:08:33
To be fair TAA is playing below his potential but that is mostly because the coach doesn’t have a clue and who flatters (the press certainly) to deceive with his concern not to lose rather than win, let alone play entertaining football.
I think it’s fair to say that the players picked generally play as 11 individuals (including TAA) rather than a team and that, again, is down to the coach.
The pity is that there’s a lot of talent and emerging talent in English football at the moment and it’s a genuine shame that the press refuse to see the Emperor’s new clothes.
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22 Jun 2024 09:52:41
The last two games, Trent has looked like a duck out of water to be honest and Southgate knows it. If I was Trent, i wouldn't play for England until a real manager comes in. Southgate cost England the euros last time and i wouldn't be surprised if he costs us again.
Ps, when you get Ten Hag giving you stick, then it's time to move on.
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22 Jun 2024 10:23:52
Can you imagine the media backlash if TAA did that? 😂.
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22 Jun 2024 11:09:42
Rigsby, no need to imagine this. See ben White.
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22 Jun 2024 13:51:52
I haven't seen much of a media backlash to Ben White.
Maybe it's been covered up. You know, like a Whitewash.
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22 Jun 2024 15:56:27
Nice one @Rigsby that made me laugh out loud - banter isn’t quite dead yet 😁😁👍.
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22 Jun 2024 20:30:10
Nice one, Rigsby. I see what you did there, lol. Seriously tho, there has been backlash esp. at the time with Talkcrap's Simon Jordan lecturing White about his loyalties as if he is the first player in history to ever decline a national call-up. There were others too but I just can't remember their names.
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22 Jun 2024 09:45:25
I would not be happy going into the season with only Salah as our only right wing cover. It's asking for trouble. Mo is dragging the team down with him. Got to be sold or released, surely?
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22 Jun 2024 10:24:59
Nice try, Nicol 😂.
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22 Jun 2024 10:48:33
I take it from this post Nicol, you’re not from Liverpool yourself? You know, the ones that know more about football than any other city😂.
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22 Jun 2024 13:49:47
Poor scout, struggling desperately for attention.
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22 Jun 2024 21:10:12
@OP, get yourself prepared to be unhappy at the start of the season.
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22 Jun 2024 09:00:33
Obviously no idea how true it is, but some reports flying about that after lengthy discussion about the plans for the team, Slot and Hughes have decided a CB is not a priority unless they can get a talent too good to turn down, such as Yoro. Allegedly, Slot is happy with the 4 we have. Those 4 being Virgil, Quansah, Konate and Gomez. I feel a bit nervous about the prospect of only having those 4 but I suppose that's pretty much all we had for 80% of last season after Matip broke down.
Again, no idea how true this is. I do genuinely believe a lot of our defensive issues were tactical though. Slot comes with a reputation for being a very good coach. Klopp by his own admission left a huge portion of the tactics and coaching to others (Buvac and Lijnders) . So whilst Slot may struggle to replace Jurgen's man management and motivational skills, I don't think it'll be as hard to improve on Lijnders tactical set up, which hasn't looked quite right for a while now. Not sure Lijnders is as bad as some made out, mind you. We still won trophies with his tactics and had a couple of title challenges. But if Slot is as good as they say, we'll hopefully see more structure to our defence which should leave the defenders less exposed. I'm certainly happy with Virgil and Quansah as the starting pair. Just not sure on Konate's fitness or Gomez as a CB. In Slot we trust though!
On a similar side note, I also hope to see better patterns of play to our offence. I personally feel as though we lost our attacking identity when Trent started inverting into midfield, especially when Gomez/ Tsimikas covered at LB and Nunez/ Gakpo came in up top. Our identity was always Trent and Robbo overlapping to create from wide areas and Bobby in the false 9 dragging defenders around to open up gaps. In the last 2 seasons I couldn't really put my finger on what we were trying to do and we didn't seem to be executing it correctly whatever it was. It was like a bit of a mash up of German heavy metal, English counter attack, Dutch total football and Spanish tiki taka. In some games it made us unpredictable and we'd run riot, but in others it made us look unsure and confused. What I really want from Slot is a clear style that the players buy in to. Of course, It doesn't have to be the same as it was (with wing backs and a false 9). I just want us to have that same level of identity where if you think of Liverpool everyone knows how they play because they have a clear identity.
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22 Jun 2024 09:35:49
It’s not true for various reasons. Slot hasn’t had a chance to see anyone yet plus it’s a known secret that the club cannot rely on 4 injury prone players for an entire campaign.
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22 Jun 2024 09:47:25
Would ideally like a left sided CB to learn from Virgil for the next year or 3.
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22 Jun 2024 09:57:05
Are VVD and Quansah injury prone. VVD has had one serious injury in his time with us. That's all I remember. I can't remember Quansah being regularly unavailable.
Konate, maybe. 51 league games in three seasons is not great but is that because Matip and Quansah were often preferred to him.
Gomez, again I'm not sure he can be called injury prone. He's not a starting centre back or full back and that is why he hasn't played, for me.
I'd like another centre half because of Quansah's age and because I'm not convinced by Konate.
To say all four are injury prone is not right, imo.
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22 Jun 2024 09:59:06
Out of the four that MK mentioned, the only one that is injury prone is Konate. The others were generally fit for the entirety of last season.
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22 Jun 2024 11:15:35
MK Scouser, don't listen or read into such rumours or second to third hand stuff cos I don't. Watch what the club actually does. That is the only way you will know what is actually happening. That's what I do and I know you are just bringing this up for discussion purposes so I get it.
Remember when last summer when some rando journo on the X machine saying we had NO money for midfield transfers when the Szoloslai rumours where heating up? What happened the very next day? We triggered his release clause and BOOM, the deal was done, as reported from the reliable Paul Joyce. See what I mean? Peace, my guy.
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22 Jun 2024 11:20:44
I think there is a perception of Gomez being injury prone as he’s had four very serious long term injuries in his career, but over the last three seasons he has been ok. The only question mark for me is on his defensive ability as he has a mistake in him and isn’t particularly great in the air. Konate is injury prone. That is pretty clear. Personally don’t see the point in pursuing Yoro, by all accounts he’s made it clear that he only wants Madrid and is happy to wait for that. Another Bellingham/ Tchoumeni only destined to end in him not joining us. We should look at a left sided defender like Inacio who is attainable and would allow us to rest Van Dijk as he’s not getting any younger.
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22 Jun 2024 12:11:15
VV, fully agree with you. The whole injury prone tag is thrown about too loosely, IMO. Gomez is NOT injury prone judging by his injury record and like you said over the past 2/ 3 seasons he has been fully fit so ain't buying that.
The likes of Konate, Sturridge, Matip and Keita? Now those are/ were injury prone cos they had this uncanny habit of picking up knocks here and there hence, could not be relied upon to play say, 3 games a week consistently in one week.
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22 Jun 2024 13:09:35
Konate missed 5 games this season in the PL due to injury and Gomez has missed 2 🤷♂️.
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22 Jun 2024 13:51:33
"Human being has a mistake in him - get rid".
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22 Jun 2024 13:58:09
Don't listen to second or third hand stuff, listen to Oli. Oli listens to Paul Joyce.
I don't think Oli or Paul Joyce are Scousers though.
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22 Jun 2024 16:01:00
@Flash, come on man, get with the plan, you have to be 10% better than absolute perfection before we even start to consider a player for a spot on the bench. Anything less and the player is just dross, to be honest.
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22 Jun 2024 18:45:37
I find it interesting there are reports of private conversations when there is barely any club activity. Are Slot and Hughes slipping into the DMs of journos?
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22 Jun 2024 20:34:01
Rigsby, Joyce is connected to the club hence, he hands out FIRST hand information. And you are right, I'm not a scouser nor am I English or even European to begin with.
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22 Jun 2024 20:45:23
Oil, I’m not taking it as gospel mate. Just posting a rumour on a rumour site 😅.
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22 Jun 2024 21:14:57
Oli, Paul Joyce is a journalist.
And you giving us information from him renders it second hand, doesn't it?
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21 Jun 2024 23:10:27
I have to say from what I’ve heard from Slot so far I like the relaxed humble personified the guy
There has to be a next generation of great manager after Guardiola and Klopp, maybe this guy is the next generation.
Whatever happens next season I will support him, it’s a tough ask to replace not only Klopp the manager but Klopp the personality, he deserves credit for taking it on.
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22 Jun 2024 07:57:35
Agreed andrew seems like a nice guy from the interview, think we need 4 players personally lb/ lcb cb dm type and a rf, possibly a keeper if kelleher and adrian go, ed002 said he was a good coach so that's a good enough endorsement for me, I've watched a few feyenoord games since he was linked and they did play good attacking football and watched some tactics videos and if we can get playing the way he wants from the off it should be a good season.
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