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06 Dec 2018 03:44:38
Ok ED01 Alisson proved his worth again. In other news sky is blue.

Even though salah, studge and shaqiri delivered for the 3rd, it was alisson who is the awesome reason again. jeez when he does something im like a kid in candy store! Im sure u r d same ed01!


YNWA.

{Ed001's Note - I am just so glad he is keeping us in games, though I have to wonder how their goal was allowed to stand? Alisson should be celebrating another clean sheet today.}

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06 Dec 2018 04:43:16
Exactly ed how is the first goal allowed. it was an all out melee. How many fouls in those 10 seconds were there?
Also what's with us missing these guilt edge chances. Scored 3 so nothing to complain about but the game should have been done with much sooner.

{Ed001's Note - every team misses gilt-edged chances mate. It happens.}

06 Dec 2018 05:11:22
The Grobbelaar thread below was most apt, as the build-up to the final Liverpool goal was like an old Brucie bonus - acrobatic save, juggle along the line under pressure to keep the ball in play, then a quick throw out to start the counter. All in the final minute!
Love it!

06 Dec 2018 07:07:15
Alisson must have seen it!

06 Dec 2018 07:21:43
And he will get even better! can anyone believe that! Whos laughing now Madrid!
By the way We need a song for alisson. i tnk he has saved us 5 points this season already.

{Ed025's Note - how about.."becker is our pearl..even though hes got the first name of a girl"...just my first draft..

06 Dec 2018 07:33:38
Pls don't PICK on us ed025😂.

{Ed025's Note - just trying to be helpful mate.. :) but i do like your wit liverbird..

06 Dec 2018 05:46:34
Ed, what did you make of the referee’s performance last night?

{Ed001's Note - he was terrible. Very weak. He always is though.}

06 Dec 2018 06:03:42
Keita missed a sitter too but was excellent despite that. Have you changed your opinion on Virgil Ed? He's a colossus.

{Ed001's Note - you mean when he was switching off to lose possession and needed to use his physicality to retrieve it? He is exactly what I said he is. The perfect physical and technical defender prone to lapses or concentration.}

06 Dec 2018 06:16:20
Agreed, he got robbed of a clean sheet, how that goal was rewarded is beyond me.

Ed, what did you think of Keita last night mate?, to me it was his best performance with Liverpool so far. Must starter now after that performance?

{Ed001's Note - he was the brightest spark in the midfield for me. A really promising display.}

06 Dec 2018 07:36:33
Ed01 just wondering. whether we will be able to beat Cech's 24 clean sheet record. oh man had Leicester error and yesterday's blind ref not cost us we would have 4 left🤔not 6.well as someone said. attack wins u games and defence wins u titles let's enjoy the ride! ed01 i wanted to ask u about how Courtois is doing at madrid. your opinion on his performance. if u r free ofcrs keep up the hard work guys


YnWa.

{Ed001's Note - I have no idea what the record is but I am sure Alisson can beat it if there is only 6 more to go.

Courtois is having a mixed time, he was terrible before Solari took over, since then he has had some good games.}

06 Dec 2018 08:35:15
The premier league record for clean sheet is 24 ed by cech wid chelsea i tnk 2004/ 05 not sure of tue year he has kept that. well alisson needs 15 more in the remaining 23.that is a challenge.

{Ed001's Note - but not unthinkable.}

06 Dec 2018 08:39:22
Didnt we use 4-4-2 diamond in begining? it wasn't working at all. and i tnk Milner is a must keep next season. he covers lb decently. well atlst better than moreno does. nd ed01 i dunno who was doing the commentary yesterday in my country but i felt lik thrashing the TV hearing them. who according to u all is d best commentator in epl? i tnk andy tonwsend?

{Ed001's Note - did you have Ian Dowie as well? Lovely fella like, but utterly moronic and he considered Bardsley's over the top of the ball as a good tackle because he was a thug himself on the pitch. He also does not know the rules have changed since his days to stop strikers kicking the ball out of keeper's hands to protect them from being booted in the head.}

06 Dec 2018 08:39:26
I think your maths have gone a bit awry there Livebird.

Cech holds the record of 24 clean sheets, and Alisson's got 9 so far, so there's 15 to match and 16 to beat. Still doable if we continue like this as he's got 23 games left.

9/ 15 = 60% x 38 = 23 so if he continues on his current ratio he'll end up 1 short.

06 Dec 2018 10:45:41
Ed01, The referee last night, Stuart Atwell, is almost as bad as that useless, fat oaf Jon Moss and that arrogant, posing idiot Kevin Friend. In general, the so-called select group of Premier League referees are worse now than at any time I can remember. The only ones who I think are any good are Michael Oliver, Martin Atkinson, Andre Mariner and Chris Kavanagh (who reffed the derby game on Sunday) . The rest are totally incompetent - or is it more sinister than incompetence? I really do have my doubts.

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure I think any are 'any good', though Kavanagh did ref well at the weekend, so could be good.}

06 Dec 2018 11:15:37
Exactly what I was thinking about Dowie as well last night. It was co commentary from the 80’s. I just wish some of these guys had some insight. Afterwards, on MOTD, you get Martin Keown who is too busy trying to be clever thinking up metaphors to find anything useful to say (and talks utter nonsense tactically when he does have a go at the nitty gritty) and next to him you have Danny Murphy who has played with or played for everyone so can’t say anything critical about them.

I quite like Lee Dixon on co comms, purely to listen to. Gary Neville at least gives some decent analysis and the ever omnipresent Alex Scott is quite good too actually.

{Ed001's Note - the commentators themselves are crap as well. They are far more interested in having a chit-chat than they are in doing their job.}

06 Dec 2018 11:38:51
When we scored the goal they were oh Liverpool scored. when they scored right that guy was wow what a goal no hint of offside. it slips through alissons hand. and they were actually praising Burnleya tackles. old grandpas. i would rather get a dog barking for commentry than thay guy again.

06 Dec 2018 11:40:25
Did that dowie guy tell tarkowski is brilliant but some people are not convinced or something like that ed? then that's the guy.

{Ed001's Note - yes mate. He was trying to claim Tarkowski was a great passer of the ball, which means, in Dowie's terms, he can kick it very far to a big lump up front. Dowie is a dinosaur.}

06 Dec 2018 12:22:29
Well it is an entertainment industry. Why let facts get in the way of a good yarn?

And I agree but it’s not just Burnley or just against us either. Plucky underdog bumbles its way to a goal and its really great for them - just the bullying type of goal that they should only be able to score against us. We score a cracking counter attack goal and it’s just what we do. Sturridge getting the credit while he had the easiest part of the whole move, simply because he lifted the pass instead of playing it down the channel.

If the layman viewers can see things, why is it that ex professionals and people who work in the game can’t? It’s like a carpenter making tables their whole life and not knowing which type of wood they’re using.

06 Dec 2018 17:14:44
I think I had Ian Dowie Ed01. His commentary was shocking! He even went on the explain how legit Burnley’s goal was as the replay was going on.

Oh and how many times did he need to say the wrong name? I can’t see any semblance between our midfield 3 but he couldn’t even get their names right.

{Ed001's Note - it is embarrassing at times.}

06 Dec 2018 19:18:23
Love it Eds 25,nice touch there.

06 Dec 2018 01:13:36
My view on tonight and going forward, for anyone that is interested. With mane and robbo injured, that's two key players, if we could've replaced them in the starting line up and still coped well, that says our strength in depth is better than previous seasons. When I saw all of the other changes, I did panic a little. Realistically, we didn't start well but by the time the first tactical substitute had been made, we had equalised. I was very happy to see klopp still make the same substitutes even though we had equalised, I was worried he may tell one of them to sit back down. The thing is, so many times we have thought, when city or others in previous seasons have not had it their own way, we have been envious of the quality they've brought off the bench, we were 1-1 and brought two quality, some would argue world class players off the bench and finished the game off. And they got some rest in as well. I don't agree with so many changes but it worked, we got three points and that is what we'll be judged on going forward.

Second point, everyone has argued city won't drop many points but if teams go at them, they are vulnerable. This is true but the wrong time of the season to do it. Teams set up against city for damage limitation at the moment. That's why they run riot. Getting into the last quarter of the season, with the bottom of the table likely to be close between six or seven teams, that is when teams have to throw caution to the wind and just go for it. That is where I believe city will drop points. If we can still be there or thereabouts at this time, we will stand a very good chance. Bearing in mind, even if we'd started our full strength team today, Burnley still would've had a go. If this was city tonight, you would've seen a different Burnley. They hold the rear factor and rightly so, the way they play. I'm not interested at the moment in waiting for city to drop points as I don't think it'll happen yet so all I focus on is Liverpool getting three. In the last 8-9 games of the season, when staying up is a must for some of the bottom teams, added to a possible champions League run that city may concentrate on more, I can see them dropping some, not many, but maybe enough for us to get what we've been waiting for, for so many years.

Either way, we've started brilliantly, we haven't hit maximum potential as yet and we've at got players who are only now beginning to find their game at Liverpool. Oh, and if I didn't mention it, we're in second place and two points behind one of the best teams in the world. A lot to be positive about right now and I will continue to be optimistic and enjoy what we're achieving at the moment as I strongly believe, there's a lot more to come from us.

Have a good evening everyone, another three points bagged and here's to many more.

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06 Dec 2018 03:41:34
Here here!

06 Dec 2018 07:14:42
2 players I would not like to have to replace are Van Dijk and Alisson.

06 Dec 2018 10:06:45
Is there a better defender than him in the division?

06 Dec 2018 13:58:49
Random Red not too many better defender may be even in the world.

06 Dec 2018 01:17:47
To answer something reds question. Firstly, I'd like to say, another shocker from the lineman who should of ruled out the goal.

What a save from Alisson to keep it out at that point.

But, your question " What is the rule about kicking the ball out of the keepers hands? Is it just that he's safe with "two hands" on it regardless of whether the ball is on the deck or not? Or does he have to be holding it with two hands off the ground? "

Law 12; fouls and misconduct, section 2.

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e. g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands
or arms (except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save)
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hands.

In summary, long gone has been the "two hands on the ball " argument. Goalkeepers are actually very well protected now, and so they should be after the Petr Cech injury.

Alisson had two hands, and it was on the ground. He could of had one hand, either way, it's a foul. And this is under indirect free kicks, because in theory there is no contact with the keeper, but only the ball.

Also believe the linesman should have spotted that from his angle.
Really makes me wonder how a blatant offside and dispossession of a keeper in control of the ball, got past him. Makes you wonder eh.

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06 Dec 2018 02:46:31
Exactly.

06 Dec 2018 07:54:03
I kmow that's the objective ruling benny, but it just looked like play on to me. And most of the time i'm going to guess the refs make instant subjective judgements aboit these kinds of things all the time.

06 Dec 2018 10:37:05
You say objective ruling faith, but we, as referees, are there to implement the rules. It is our game and we are in control, not objectively. It’s poor from the supposedly best officials in the world, week in week out.

06 Dec 2018 13:14:22
I watched the highlights only and to me it appeared Allison actually knocked the ball away with his left hand whilst trying to get both on it. Seemed he had hold of it with his right at first.

06 Dec 2018 13:15:15
It may have been offside but it wasn’t a foul for me. The Burnley player had every right to go for that ball, I’d hate to see football become a non contact sport.

07 Dec 2018 07:38:34
Benny, its impossoble for refs to remove subjectivity. Ya'll are still himan after all. Even ex refs turnes pundits say things "not enough contact to be a pen for me". could get multiple refs look at that. Am sure all of them would tell ya the law and then a mix would rule it differently depending on how they viewed it then applied the law.

05 Dec 2018 22:56:14
The only downside to the game tonight is the injury to Gomez. Anyone know why he was played out of position again? Was it to give Trent a rest? If he played his usual (and best position) he doesn't get injured there as he wouldn't have been in that position.

Saying that though, the way Burnley were kicking anything that moved, I'm surprised more players weren't injured.
Both Moreno and Keita were lucky to escape injury from studs over the top of the ball challenges.
Also, any clue as to what Dyche was having a Gk at.

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06 Dec 2018 01:21:30
And if my grandma had wheels she would be a bicycle.
You can’t make crazy claims like that my man. Could of broke his neck at cb after a sky diver landed on him for all fate knows.

06 Dec 2018 04:29:41
Im not sure gomez playing a right back is 'out of position'. He played a lot there last season and did very well. I think klopp just prefers him there to clyne as back up and so rotates. I guess there is ana argument that he is actually a better defender there than trent althoigh i do think trent offers more going forwards. Maybe this is why klopp has played him there on occasions.
I do think he'll be a big miss though as i think he's been great as a cb this season and is learning so much alongside vvd.

06 Dec 2018 05:13:10
Could have, would have, should have.
So to speak 😁.

06 Dec 2018 10:48:32
The Juicer, nicely put, standards are important!

06 Dec 2018 13:16:55
Yes i noticed that too, Dyche was furious at Klopp and did not want to wait to talk to him, rather started saying something and started to walk. Klopp looked surprised. I think at half time Klopp might have complained to the ref about all those flying tackles and may be the ref asked burnley players to calm down. The tackle on Moreno could have been a red as the foot was high enough to hit him on his ankles.
Correct me if im wrong Eds or someone else.

05 Dec 2018 21:48:00
Well Turf Moor hasn’t been a fun place for us in the past. Plus the lfc of recent seasons would have never come back so strong to win like we did.

Fantastic result and great character shown tonight.

To top it all off we’ve stolen a further march on Chelsea and as I type Utd and arsenal.

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05 Dec 2018 23:55:10
Agree mate quite a lot of us on here have been moaning that we’re not playing the attacking football alike last season but we are in December and only 2 points off possibly the best team of the premier league era we deserve credit for that if we do find some attacking form in the new year then we have a chance if we stay on city’s tails let’s see what happens.

06 Dec 2018 13:12:37
man city, liverpool fighting for the title. spurs, arsenal, chelsea fighting for fourth. man utd and everton fighting to be in the top half of the table. :)

05 Dec 2018 18:50:01
I hope Klopp knows what he's doing here.

Origi, Sturridge, Shaqiri, Moreno and Matip start.

Firmino and Salah on the bench.

Keita starts in midfield ahead of Gini.

Come on Red Men.

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05 Dec 2018 18:55:29
I thought there would be changes but this is a bit of a gamble for me.

05 Dec 2018 19:02:11
Is Lovren injured guys? Did I miss something.

Tho we need to rotate a lot during December, and with the next two game really hard this one comes in time so we can rotate like this.

05 Dec 2018 19:04:43
Damn right Den82. I nearly spat out my tea when I saw the lineup. I just hope it pays off. I'm happy Keita is finally getting a start, Moreno playing has been forced on Klopp, and I'm guessing he doesn't want to bring Milner out of midfield.

I just think starting Origi and Sturridge together and having none of our usual front 3 is a massive gamble. Hopefully one of them can give us a moment of brilliance or two, and we can keep it tight at the back - but having both Moreno and Matip in the back four can definitely be exploited if their attackers can show some form.

05 Dec 2018 19:06:39
@martolfc. Yes, Lovren suffered a clash of heads in training. Trent is on the bench though, so he could have played Gomez in the middle (who looks like he'll be a right back) .

05 Dec 2018 19:09:25
Matip worries me.

05 Dec 2018 19:11:52
I definitely would've stuck with Gomez in the middle and Trent on the right. We need a relatively settled defence to cope with the other changes, and indeed to cope with Moreno!

05 Dec 2018 19:16:08
I am shocked at the amount of changes. Yes, they are all experienced players but it takes some guts or stupidity to re write the starting front 3 before a must win (for the league to not get away from us) game away from home.

In Klopp we trust just Jeez he does put you through some emotions. Wow.

{Ed025's Note - it can only be one of 2 things BG, an absolute masterstroke...or an unmitigated disaster mate..

05 Dec 2018 19:19:45
Great management if we win.

{Ed025's Note - biggest faux pas in history if you dont..

05 Dec 2018 19:26:38
I've got a bad feeling about this team. Come on Reds!

05 Dec 2018 19:26:38
I've got a bad feeling about this team. Come on Reds!

05 Dec 2018 19:27:48
Burnley are making 5 changes themselves. All across the league the lineups are looking a bit different, so it’s not just us. It’s a test of our strength in depth and I was happier with our squad at the start of the season than I’ve been for ages, so I suppose that means I should be confident.
Go on then, I’ll stick my neck out, 3-1 to us!
YNWA.

05 Dec 2018 19:30:14
Off course it's a gamble but I guess the players need a break. It will be a busy few weeks so Klopp has looked at the opposition and put a team out he hopes can get a result. Again, and I hate to mention it but it shows the plethora of talent City have at their disposal when we have to rely on Matip and Moreno etc. I'm just hoping we can get any type of victory.

05 Dec 2018 19:36:12
Burnley 0:3 LFC

Matip not a bad shout for heading away long balls- and fingers crossed Burnley’s front 2 don’t develop some sudden pace between them.
Could actually play 3 with Milner and Moreno wide, stop those diagonals coming in
Hendo and Naby with Shaqiri in front behind Origi and Studge

Allison
Matip-VvD-Gomez
Milner-Hendo-Naby-Moreno
Shaqiri
Sturridge - Origi.

05 Dec 2018 19:41:23
Struck me too AggerDo, wouldn’t be a bad shout against Burnley but a change to an unfamiliar formation could make the changes in personnel even more of a risk.

05 Dec 2018 19:43:45
The problem is, he needs to win by 2 goals just to make it acceptable. Theory there being a close 1-0 or 2-1 and he’s got lucky. A win by 2 and it’s fair and average for 2nd playing 1 from bottom. For it to be a masterstroke he needs a 3 goal win minimum. That’s the fickle nature of the fandom/ media of today’s game, the question is. does a team without your starting wingbacks and starting front 3 in a system that relies on your wingbacks and interchanging front 3 have the goals or experience to get you that win.

I’ll let you know in a couple of hours. I hope so.

05 Dec 2018 19:50:51
thought the same Agger, but it has made me nervous, we can't afford to drop points and give City too much of a lead .

05 Dec 2018 20:15:35
now Gomez now being taken off on a stretcher, looks a bad ankle injury, that's a major worry .

05 Dec 2018 20:45:57
Shown massive disrespect to Burnley with the team klopp has played! We’ve be toothless up front and thank Jaysus Burnley where off side for that goal as it was a great finish!

05 Dec 2018 21:05:20
not a good night for Liverpool, great night for City, were getting beat and ha, we just scored .

05 Dec 2018 21:39:46
@ChefMattD I really hope you but a bet on your 3-1 prediction. Well played bro :)

05 Dec 2018 21:41:11
It paid off in the end.

05 Dec 2018 22:02:44
Haha, I’m not a betting man mate. All the credit goes to my pet octopus, Paul.

{Ed025's Note - is it a poorly octopus matt?...if so you owe him sick squid.. :)

05 Dec 2018 22:22:17
So it was a genius masterstroke in the end.

05 Dec 2018 22:25:23
I think that was Keitas best game since the first one. Delighted to get through with the win also.

05 Dec 2018 22:43:03
He’s currently out with 7 torn hamstrings Ed. pfyshio is having a nightmare.

05 Dec 2018 23:13:19
Great result tonight.
Just watching the Wolves - Chelsea game : sign that lad Morgan Gibbs-White up. Performance reminded me of Gerrard tonight.

05 Dec 2018 23:23:14
YIKES! the negative energy from some on this thread is a sight to behold. Good thing the team did not give up before a ball was kicked like many on here did. Also, the players who came into the team today, did us proud IMO, and hopefully, they can take some credit from this game.

Bottom line is that you have to rotate the team in this period and like it or not, you're going to have to trust the manager and the team he picked. Pep made changed to his lineup vs Watford and it nearly cost him. Here, we were the better team from minute one till the end with Keita bossing it and Matip defending high balls and bullying the rugby strikers Wood and Barnes. Hopefully he can kick on from here.

Also, massive props to Origi, Moreno, Milner and in fact, every player that played today cos they all had a hand in this precious victory even THO, the ref spotted Burnley one goal cos Wood was offside when the ball came to him first off the first header.

06 Dec 2018 10:52:17
How refreshing to read the confidence so many Liverpool supporters have in our manager and our playing squad. Here’s a tip - why not wait until the match is over before criticising the team selection and performance? Jeez!

06 Dec 2018 13:07:23
Yeah, us supporters shouldn't be entitled to our opinions. Down with fan enjoyment or interest.

I think the thread was fair and balanced. A lot of people shocked at the managers decisions but general consensus was let's wait and see. Clearly now (after result) it was a masterstroke to rest key players, well done Klopp.

As for those saying that people should keep their opinions to themselves until after the match, I don't think they have grasped the concept of the discussion forum that they are on.

06 Dec 2018 19:40:51
Sorry BUT I disagree, Beckers. This is about whether you trust the manager to do the right thing and make the right decisions and based on the comments on this thread (if you bothered to read them) people had thrown in the towel before a ball was kicked. You simply can't pick your best team every time and that is a fact so why moan about it when changes are made as if people did not know it would happen during the loaded festive period? Klopp and the staff probably already planned to pick this team before the Everton game. That is my issue here.

What were we expecting? That Klopp not make changes? Or that we did not know he would make the changes? Even Burnley made FIVE changes so what is all the fuss about?


Our boys (changes notwithstanding) were the better team from start to finish and their goal was OFFSIDE (first shot on target for them in the game) and we came back in the game, never panicked and finished them off. Job done. People are free to post whatever they want BUT should not be mad when others disagree and respond accordingly.

05 Dec 2018 18:19:00
Bruce Grobbelaar saves compilation.

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05 Dec 2018 18:41:11
Easy to forget keepers used to catch the ball! So much pressure eased when they caught it. Bruce’s agility was unreal, not to mention the obligatory walking on hands after a cup final or end of season.

Cheers.

05 Dec 2018 18:53:47
I think it comes down to hair.

Grobs and Clemence had loads of hair and were great. Alisson's got a decent barnet and he's great too.

Migs = quite a short crop, not so good.

Karius = a fair amount of hair, so should've been decent, but let down by the man bun.

Pepe is the only exception!

{Ed025's Note - with karius...its a case of hair today..gone tomorrow zed.. :)

05 Dec 2018 19:08:35
Well he certainly gave us a couple of hair raising moments in the CL final :D

Forgot about David James - close crop = crap.

05 Dec 2018 19:46:21
Good thing for me is the expectation
Brucie makes a save and instead of back-slapping, high fives and fist bumps the outfield players just crack on

“Bruce- you’re a keeper- that’s what you’re paid to do”.

05 Dec 2018 19:46:58
Class.
Brucie Brucie what’s the score, Brucie what’s the score?
Brucie signalled with his fingers behind his back to big cheer. Happy days.

05 Dec 2018 22:14:19
Brucey giz an handstand Na Na Na Na. I'm not exaggerating but Allison is the Best we've had since Bruce without a shadow of a doubt.

05 Dec 2018 22:35:20
Quality keeper should have caught a few of them saves though.

05 Dec 2018 18:00:58
Origi might be set for a few starts in the next few weeks according to some but could this not jsut be Klopp putting him in the shop window or is that to cynical?
I can't see him having a future at Liverpool even though I would prefer him over Sturridge as a impact sub.

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05 Dec 2018 18:07:36
I'm of the same opinion, I think Origi has something to offer but if a bid came in I reckon he'd be gone quite quickly. Hopefully we're wrong, I'd love to see him get more chances and see him impress enough to make Klopp and Co think hang on let's hold onto this lad'. Time will tell.

05 Dec 2018 18:17:03
If he starts banging goals do u really think klopp is going to sale him?

05 Dec 2018 18:47:43
You don't play a player just to put them in the "shop window". They have to earn their place in the team. Imagine if we lost games while trying to give a certain player unwarranted game time.

{Ed025's Note - very true irish..

05 Dec 2018 18:52:14
I think Sturridge is more liable to be sold than Origi. Sturridge is clearly the better footballer, yes, but I'm basing my opinion on age and wages and future potential. Sturridge has reached his maximum level I feel, while Origi has not.

05 Dec 2018 20:01:33
good shout ArA, I think that if Origi can bag a goal or two, he could become our 1st sub .

05 Dec 2018 23:30:01
Spot on, IR. That notion is a bunch of nonsense that people esp. in the media just made up so they can look smart. It has never existed and never wil. As for Origi and his chances at LFC, This is what Origi said Klopp told him before coming on vs Everton, "Play the way you train". What does that tell me? It tells me that Origi tho having not played at all in the PL at least, he was always giving his all in training and never let his head drop. Never sulked nor thew a fit.

Klopp must have seen that and said, "I may need this kid to play a blinder for me here if he keeps working hard". Origi just kept working hard and it showed as soon as he came on with the chance he created, hitting the post and then being alive to The Anfield Flap and scoring.

Today vs Burnley, he may not have gotten opportunities to score but his movement and pace ran the defenders ragged and still offerred an assist as well. We are going to need him, Lovs, Matip and the whole squad this season so people need to get behind the team. YNWA!

05 Dec 2018 16:39:32
To put some things into context for the negative members here, please see below top 8 after game week 14 last season (standings on 1st December 2017).

2017-18 Premier League Standings (Goal Difference)

1. Manchester City: 40 (+35)

2. Manchester United: 32 (+24)

3. Chelsea: 29 (+14)

4. Arsenal: 28 (+12)

5. Liverpool: 26 (+10)

6. Burnley: 25 (+3)

7. Tottenham Hotspur: 24 (+10)

8. Watford: 21 (-1)

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05 Dec 2018 17:27:59
Thank you. I really hope the players are not obessed with Manchester City as many of the LFC fans.

05 Dec 2018 18:00:33
I don’t think it’s an obsession mate, it’s more looking for a weakness to allow us to close the gap.
We are much stronger and much more steady than last year albeit nowhere near as potent in the final third.
But that’s part of the worry, if teams aren’t attacking city we need to start back with the free flowing attacking footy and still keep clean sheets.
We could close the gap if we beat city but if we aren’t scoring that will be tough.
Other teams aren’t worried about attacking us at the minute but we have the defence to deal with that, but we will drop points at some point. City I’m not so sure about dropping points as teams are terrified of them, I wouldn’t e surprises if they beat last years points total.
Its not so much being pessimistic about or performances, it’s more about the other sides showing no spine against them.
I’ve heard pundits on talk sport literally saying nobody will catch city now, pundits on bt sport saying give them the trophy now.
I’ve never seen that before.

05 Dec 2018 18:09:54
Ashy, we have only scored 1 less goal and conceded 13 less goals after 14 games versus last season at the same point so please explain what you mean by "nowhere near as potent in the final third"?

05 Dec 2018 18:17:31
But haven’t we only scored one goal less at this stage? This notion we are not as potent in attack just doesn’t ring true.
One thing I would say is we are not taking our chances at the moment. We were clean through on goal 3 times on Sunday, Mane missed the target twice and Shaqiri hit it straight at the keeper. That’s not to mention Origi hitting the bar from a yard out.
We need to be more clinical in big games as not every team has Pickford in goal to help us out.
Other than that we are going along very nicely thank you very much.

05 Dec 2018 18:23:20
Yes but please consider the method of the goals we have scored this year. Please don’t assume I’m unhappy with the team, but last year we got the ball and teams where just unable to defend against us, we were ruthless. Running at defences, cutting teams open, creating space for other players when we got the ball. A lot of our goals this year have come from a scrappy mistake in the opposition box, we can’t rely on that all the time especially against the better clubs.

05 Dec 2018 18:45:36
Oh I see! We can score as many goals as last season but if you don’t like the nature of them you’ll be unhappy?
We didn’t start playing like that until the second half of the season Ashy and even then it was inconsistent. We tend to remember the games we did tear teams apart like Roma etc. but forget the WBA, Swansea and Stoke type games where we struggled to break them down.
I was just pulling your leg about the nature of goals thing BTW Ashy 😉.

05 Dec 2018 19:01:06
Ok let me put it this way then, if this season comes down to the game against city (unlikely that it could be pinned on one game I know) does everyone think we will beat city playing the way we are right now?
Because last season I was adamant we could beat anyone, this year I’m not as sure.
I know the numbers are there for all to see but as the Ed’s always remind people statistics can be made to look how people want them to look.
And I understand we look good sitting pretty in second 2 points behind city and everyone is saying we should be happy about it.
Will everyone still be happy at the end if we finish on our highest ever points total and it still isn’t enough?
97 points last year still wasn’t enough to catch city, but everyone will deem the season a success “well look we finished on 97 points, every other season we would of won the league”
But it’s not won the league has it? That’s what matters at the end of the day, nobody looks back and remembers when we finished with a decent amount of points.
That season when we had Torres on fire and finished second, was that successful?

05 Dec 2018 19:05:28
The only difference between us and ManC is draws. They've had 2 and we've had 3. That's a hairline difference. And we haven't even hit the halfway line yet. If people are looking for reasons to guarantee the title to us, there aren't any, because it's too soon. If people are looking for reasons to give the title already to ManC, while disregarding the realities and facts at present, there can be hundreds found.

05 Dec 2018 20:36:10
In fairness this time last year we had no Vvd, Mig or Karius were our starting keeper and Moreno had started the majority of the games as our left back. Doesn’t really take a rocket scientist to see why last season’s defensive and points record is different to this season’s.

05 Dec 2018 22:38:31
Just means we are better defensively than last season which is good. Here comes the but, we didn't win diddly squat last season and won't win diddly squat this season.

05 Dec 2018 23:07:11
Exactly JK. But now we’re not conceding goals we get hammered for not scoring enough even though we are only a goal down on last year.
And Ashy at the start of December last year I absolutely didn’t think we could beat anyone. 4-1 away at Spurs and 5-0 away at City we’re still quite fresh in the memory. Now I absolutely do believe we can beat anyone. We are stingy as you like at the back, have a great keeper and players at the top end who are always likely to score.

05 Dec 2018 23:36:48
Ashy, you say there is not obsession with City yet majority of what you are posting has City written all over it. Make up your mind, man. Also, it seems you are trying so hard to find something wrong with the team to the point of saying that we are not scoring enuff whereas we have scored one goal less this season at this point, last season. Too many contradictions in your post, my friend.

And to finish, if City win the PL then they deserve it. If we win it then we do. If we don't, we dust ourselves off and go again next season. That's how that works. City will NOT be gifting us a damn thing and we're going to have to earn this title and Klop is ready to do that. Are you?

05 Dec 2018 14:15:42
Imagine if it were the other way round and we were 2 points ahead after only 14 games. The pressure would be relentless from the media about us being favourites to win the long awaited title, from a team that has little experience versus City of handling that pressure.

I'm happy if we can keep to 2 points behind until the last 10 games and then get ahead for the run in. Pressure yes but for under 10 games rather than only after 14!

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05 Dec 2018 14:24:02
Yeah too right mate, that'd do me just fine.

05 Dec 2018 14:26:26
Totally get what you're saying 1jj, however I'd prefer to be 15 points ahead with 10 games to play and just coast in ;-)

05 Dec 2018 15:33:09
Zed I love your style ps. can I have some of what you're having :)

05 Dec 2018 15:33:52
Salah - let's beat Burnley first though :) 1-2?

05 Dec 2018 16:51:06
Lol I'm thinking 0-3 mate ;) clean sheet ahead :) .

05 Dec 2018 17:30:21
Hard game under the lights at turf more.

05 Dec 2018 17:41:52
We will calcitrate posteriors! 💪.

05 Dec 2018 17:48:08
Burnley have been poor of late but we can’t underestimate them.

05 Dec 2018 18:56:32
I believe calcitrated posteriors are all too prevalent in Burnley, Ra ;-)

06 Dec 2018 08:36:41
I bow down to your unquestioned superior knowledge in the matter, Zed. Have never been to the city and never caught a whiff of the environment. 😉.

 


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