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17 Sep 2018 20:34:28
Ed001, I've recently started playing as a right back for a Saturday League side. I've never played the position properly before though, so I'm struggling on the positioning side of things. It's easy to see on a TV camera, but not so easy on the ground in the thick of things. Are there particular triggers you should look out for regarding when to overlap, and when not to? Or when to defend narrow and when to hug the touchline?

I'm really enjoying playing a more defensive role but I feel like I'm having to sprint too often because I've not read the play well enough. It's easy to point out mistakes, but I have no idea how to correct myself. I know I'm not spotting danger early enough but I don't know what to look for as I've played primarily offensive roles for the best part of 15 years.

{Ed001's Note - to be honest it is difficult to give triggers without knowing the team you play for and what they are likely to see. If they are crap, then there is little point making a forward run if the ball is on the other side of the pitch and you are better off coming over on the cover as a defender.

Does the wideman in front of you cut inside a lot? Because if he does you could look for him looking to make a run inside and then take up the space outside him. You are very reliant on your team mates having the ability to spot the run and pick it out though.}

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17 Sep 2018 21:21:17
I used to play as a left back myself MK (albeit I am right-footed - I truly was the 2013-14 Jon Flanagan of my youth league. ) .

I always found that at that sort of level, it’s best to arrive late to attacks, even if the winger in front of you cuts inside frequently as Ed001 says.

Your job first and foremost as a right back is to make sure you have their left winger marked - and if you’re bombing up the pitch too early, you’re going to be sprinting back (likely to no avail) an awful lot.

The main key is to build an understanding with the winger ahead of you. If you know each other’s game, you’ll learn to time your overlapping runs to suit how he plays.

As Ed001 says though, easier to answer this if we know how your team plays!

{Ed025's Note - i cant believe you would associate yourself with anything to do with jon flanagan reid ...choose someone who is not a scumbag next time mate..

17 Sep 2018 21:44:08
Fortunately that’s where the similarities end, Ed025! Was a tongue in cheek comment of course.

{Ed025's Note - of course mate, you are better than that reid..

17 Sep 2018 23:34:55
I loved to play as a left winger. Once my asthma getting worst, I started to play as a wingback or a leftback. Yeah it wasn't easy at all to read things. There were lots of running too, way way too much for my condition that time, and way way lots more than being an attacker.

17 Sep 2018 23:52:28
MK come and play in a decent defensive unit at the next Matt Hawker cup game, John and I will sort your positioning out buddy, you’ll have a sore left ear by the end. Failing that go stand next to Ken, not to close though he might mistake you for our new Belgian buddy and give you abuse 🤭.

18 Sep 2018 00:49:21
How your opposition set up is also critical to what you can and can't do in a game. As I got older and slower I played CB and would make sure my full backs were young and ready to run a lot :) I'd tell them early in the game to get forward and let's see what the opposing winger does. Will he follow you or will he take up the space you've left vacant? Like has been said, if you're a decent time who like to get forward, then the modern full back can really get involved more than back in the day. If you get beat 5-0 most games, then do your main job of listening to your CB and covering your man.

18 Sep 2018 09:59:08
K68, you're on mate! Clean sheets all around haha.

Cheers Ed001. The guy in front of me does cut in quite a lot as we play a narrow front 3 so perhaps I could only look for the overlap when he does tuck inside their full back. We're a good side to to be fair, but We're newly promoted to the league so I'll try holding back if the ball is on the other side of the pitch. Hopefully save me a few lung bursting sprints back into position. Cheers mate.

Any advice is welcomed so thanks to everyone. I had no idea how hard it is to learn a new position.

{Ed001's Note - the most basic thing is, get goalside before making any kind of challenge. It is easy to forget that, but it is something all defenders should look to do.}

18 Sep 2018 10:04:40
Cheers Reid. We play a narrow 4-3-3. One midfielder sits back, 2 join the attack. High defensive line. A big target man, and two wide men who just drift into space.

I like your advice. I'll take more notice of what our right winger does and try and anticipate his movements next time.

I also like your idea Burkey. Push on and see if the winger will follow etc. Cheers guys.

18 Sep 2018 10:43:14
As a fellow FB I can't really offer any advice because I don't get forward much. But one advice I can offer is that you build thick skin early because as a FB you will be blamed for every single goal that comes from wide. You can stop 50 crosses a game, the CB's will blame you for the one that got through and they didn't challenge. Just the way of the world sadly.

18 Sep 2018 11:20:24
I can't offer any advice MK because I wouldn't know where to begin mate! but good luck, I'm sure you'll adapt to the new position, your hard work and determination I'm sure will eventually pay off and you'll be confident in the position you're playing in. It just takes time mate so stick with it :) I look forward to seeing your progression next year at the charity game!

18 Sep 2018 11:21:08
i have a love/ hate relationship with the fullback position. great position to get lots of ball. I'd lean towards playing more defensively and pickin momnts to overlap. otherwise, as ed1 said, if you are in an average team you'll be sprinting upfield only to tun around and have to sprint back again with no one covering you!

but if you in a better team then presumably you're training and I'd say the key is have great communication with the key player on your side of the pitch.

18 Sep 2018 11:34:49
Well done MK, wish I had the confidence to go and play again in a team. There are several analytical and coachy style videos on YouTube you could have a look at as well, dedicated to fullbacks/ wingbacks etc. You might find some useful pointers there. Good luck.

18 Sep 2018 15:56:18
Just relax mate, if u have played in a more attacking role a right back slot should be easier. U have it all in front of u. Tuck in about 10 yards to the right of your centre back and ease your way into the game. Once u become more secure in your own mind then pick and choose the appropriate times to bomb on, ensuring your right midfielder is on the same page!

18 Sep 2018 17:00:51
Let's face it - some players will be used as a role-model. Steven Gerrard is such a player and his behaviour off the field wasn't always what it should be. The same goes for the likes of Terry and Rooney to name but two.

17 Sep 2018 17:49:30
Ed001 I read your match report maye spot on imo. Can I just ask, you mentioned teans are doubling up on Salah and Mane at times, the only team not to do this is possibly WHM who we scored 4 against. Do you think this is why we are not conceeding many given full backs or a CM is having to drop in to make up the numbers? Surely means we will be at our best if teams attack us?

{Ed001's Note - yes mate spot on. That is why very few will attack us.}

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17 Sep 2018 18:29:57
Need to move the ball quickly if Mane and Salah are double-marked.
If we keep doing that there should be acres for others to get onto.
Once that starts happening- teams will have to stop doubling up.

17 Sep 2018 19:26:35
Then we are wining it guys xaxa, no one can beat us if no one attacks us :3.

17 Sep 2018 20:11:36
This for me will prove why Keita will prove to be a top signing. Can't think last time we had a midfielder like Keita who can drive forward, see a pass and press so well. I think milner and henderson and Wijnaldum do a great job for us but none of them in same mould as keita (I ain't saying Keita better or worse by the way, jus different) so if teams double up on manè and salah a midfield runner and ball carrier will be necessary in my opinion.

17 Sep 2018 21:01:39
We can’t hope team to attack us. There are 15 teams in the division who would be happy to park the bus! What’s your plan then? Kieta seems not unlocking any defense at it stands now!

18 Sep 2018 05:51:31
Every defence we have played so far this season has been unlocked.

18 Sep 2018 08:31:00
One man has never and will never 'unlock' a defence.

It takes the team to be working as a unit. Switching play constantly, players make runs etc.

We haven't come unstuck yet.

17 Sep 2018 11:21:25
People making a problem out of nothing, the idea that there is an issue between Salah and Mane is strange. Salah has talked many a time of how Mane helped him settle in to Liverpool when he joined. A couple of wrong decisions does not equal a dislike between the two. Healthy rivalry is brilliant as we saw with Suarez and Sturridge who elevated their game to great heights, almost took us to the title and were not selfish. Please can we stop this idea!

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17 Sep 2018 12:23:13
Journos need something to talk about. They have not made the best decision in the past few games but it will get better.

17 Sep 2018 12:35:19
Boom! There we go, good post mate.

17 Sep 2018 12:38:55
I don't think its so much a problem between Mane and Salah, but that Mane's best friend Keita now plays for Liverpool. They always look to pass to eachother when they have the ball and it is getting a bit predictable now and may be a detriment to the team in the future.

17 Sep 2018 13:56:40
There is a recent feature on the two lads online called bezzies. Not quite bezzies themselves they admit that they aren't closest with each other in the squad but do get on well and seem to understand each other.

Salah said he is closest with Lovren. He said also Mane was the person that welcomed him the most in beginning and spent time with him but admitted that Mane does prefer to spend time alone and was not close with anyone in the squad until Naby arrived.

Mane then confirmed this and joked that he hopes Naby gets to know everyone soon so he can spend less time with him.

It seemed to me they are very open and comfortable in their relationship and I don't think there is anything to the story.

17 Sep 2018 16:13:34
Redhead. Mane had a pass to Keita for a certain goal, that he didn't play. He swiveled and tried to score himself. Players have to make split second decisions. They don't always get them right. Let's not read to much into it.

17 Sep 2018 17:27:01
Not a personal issue but a professional issue.

Mane is as good as Salah and he knows it!

17 Sep 2018 17:48:15
It all started with the penalty situation in pre season, I mean journos kept the thing alive when they made wrong choices. I do really hope there is nothing between them.

17 Sep 2018 18:32:50
All of this will be forgotten when they both assist 2 each for each other tomorrow as we beat PSG 5-2. Shaqiri will get the 5th obviously.

17 Sep 2018 19:14:13
Surely Sturridge gets the 5th?

18 Sep 2018 05:52:48
What journo’s are keeping this story alive? Sounds more like Twitter nonsense that people take seriously.

17 Sep 2018 10:02:42
Hey eds and fellow reds, i would love to hear ed001 views on the upcoming month of fixtures for lfc? a lot of people worrying and saying it's a make or break month and panicking. I think players live for these months. PSG tomoz then saints (who always giv us a tough game) then some tasty fixtures jus around the corner. Do you think rotation is necessary for the coming month or would you have a mind set of jus keep going mate? I think it's pretty obvious that the carabao cup will see changes but would love to hear your thoughts on other games. Heard a few say saints might see a few changes aswel. Cheers for time tho mate.
Kj.

{Ed001's Note - I agree with you. Ask any pro and they will tell you this is why they become a footballer in the first place. It is exciting.}

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17 Sep 2018 12:16:24
And we have the likes for Xherdan, Fabinho and Sturridge chomping at the big. Klopp has been smart to keep them keen and not rotating for the sake of it. Time for them to prove their worth and an opportunity for them to challenge the incumbents rather than feeling like they will get free game time just because they’re there.

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17 Sep 2018 10:04:46
{Ed's Note - Reid the Red has posted a new article entitled, Premier League Preview Southampton v Brighton 17 September 2018

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17 Sep 2018 08:49:33
I know Firmino's eye injury is nothing serious long term but do we know if he will be fit to play against PSG tomorrow?

He could sport an eye patch and still have better vision than half the players on the field.

{Ed002's Note - The club has not said anything but the implication is that he willl be OK.}

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17 Sep 2018 09:29:13
Thanks Ed.

Would be a shame if either team had players missing through injury as its all set up to be a great game.

{Ed002's Note - Kurzawa might be an issue for PSG aside from that it is only the long term injuries.}

17 Sep 2018 10:29:58
Firmino Tweeted that he's fine and that it was just a scare and precaution to go off.

17 Sep 2018 21:00:36
Bobby "No Look" Firmino doesn't need his eyesight to score.

17 Sep 2018 07:41:29
It is so funny how people judge and forget. Joe Gomez is now "best cb in the league", new Ramos, part of the best cb pairing and stuff like that. Leave the kid play football and judge after full season. So easy to praise and so easy to critisize. Imagine moura burried that afwul positioning error, and that basic pass error. Im still not conviced by him. He tackles good but that doesn't make you a good defender. All of us went crazy about that tackle against Leicster, when it would be lot easier if our team dealt with it earlir. If you have to tackle you already done a mistake! Hopefully Jie will continue working hard and grab his chance.

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17 Sep 2018 08:09:43
Yeah let's spend another 60 million on another CB and get rid of Gomez he is no good and won't improve by playing more and more games and gaining experience.

17 Sep 2018 09:20:22
OP lol what? how is he at fault when the mids didn't do the defensive work and his option was to tackle and he did so with aplomb? he is a very good defender. and he is only going to improve with VVD. Fans can't rave about their players now?
they call lingaard the next ronaldo at some club!

17 Sep 2018 09:46:00
He’s a young kid, already playing for England and has had a few excellent games in a relatively new position. What more do you expect from someone his age to be so ‘unconvinced by him’?

I agree it’s to early to be proclaiming him the new Alan Hansen, but he clearly has a lot going for him so far. To expect someone like him (or anyone for that matter) never to make an error is unreasonable IMO.

17 Sep 2018 11:11:13
i think all he was saying is leave the kid alone to play and improve. he isn't perfect, and pointed that out. i mean if you read it all manzo is aying the kid is good, not the finished article and leave it out and et the lad develop.

17 Sep 2018 11:31:53
Players will only get better with experience, Rome was not built in a day and that certainly applies to young players. Id much rather him be making mistakes alongside players like van dijk and alisson, the liverpool starting lineup is the best thing for him and our team right now.

17 Sep 2018 11:26:54
People carefully chose their words to suit their requirements 😁. We have done that many times. I am not a big fan of Gomez like many on this site are. He keeps making basic silly errors for which any other defender would have been slaughtered for!

17 Sep 2018 11:32:10
While i understand what you're getting at regarding not getting ahead of ourselves with regards to Gomez, he's been a constant part of a solid backline that's only conceded 2 goals in 5 games. That's a good thing. Nobody so far this season has made no mistakes, so you seem to be being a bit harsh.

17 Sep 2018 11:56:17
He’s still a kid, nobody is a great defender at his age. Defending and goalkeeping positions are so hard to break into for young players at top clubs because the mistakes are so noticeable and high profile, so you get very little patience from the fans. Both him and Arnold will make plenty of mistakes this season but both also will do a lot of things right as well, just be patient and let them grow because we could be looking at two future captains of liverpool there.

17 Sep 2018 13:44:47
Gomez has done well this season, his speed and covering play has been a positive. He has been caught out of position a couple of times but over 5 games he's been a big plus.
If we're critical of him for getting too close to Moura we should also highlight him safely bringing sending him the wrong way before bringing the ball out to start the move Keita could have scored from.

17 Sep 2018 17:59:27
Gomez is a awful right full but looks good at center half


He does fall asleep to often for me and needs to cut it out


Or the likes or psg Chelsea napoil and city will make you pay.

17 Sep 2018 23:09:24
He has been as good as VVD so far this season though.

17 Sep 2018 07:25:43
I know this might be very early days in the season but any one else worried about our finishing? to many chances not converted? I mean on the basis of our play we should have won all games very easily. even in the west ham game we missed a lot of chances.
Cannot complain we are 5 out of 5 and that is the first time it has been done in premier league and it could be just players getting back into that groove and it will surely improve. But i think we are missing too many good chances at the moment. Early days may be we will sort it out by week 7 or 8.

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17 Sep 2018 07:34:41
It doesn't matter to me to be honest mate, I'd be happy with 1-0 wins all season, we're winning and that's the most important thing.

17 Sep 2018 07:43:23
Well we are good i belive. If Keita reaches levels expected, we will have even more chances lol.

17 Sep 2018 07:47:58
I think the team's chemistry and finishing is going to get better over the next few games. A lot of them didn't play together in preseason. They just came back from intl break for spurs game.

With now a run of games (one every 3-4 days) we should see better in terms of interplay and finishing.

Although I agree with Salah, I'd take 1-0 wins all day.

17 Sep 2018 08:11:41
Salah was missing 4 out of 5 chances early last season too. Nothing to see here IMO.

{Ed001's Note - exactly mate. People have forgotten how he started the season.}

17 Sep 2018 08:19:29
not worried because we are winning games. But i was watching the spurs game and the score line was not a fair reflection of how well we played and chances we did create. and then when there was a penalty call at the end i just got thinking we might rue the chances we missed. But it was all good as we won.
yes i agree it is very early days. But since our front three are same i was expecting may more i think. It will get more cohesive as we go ahead.

17 Sep 2018 09:31:12
Im not worried about our finishing as we saw last season when on form just how clinical we can be.

its comforting to know that we have played 5 won 5 knowing that we are yet to reach our best.

17 Sep 2018 09:48:47
Our front three has proven they are goal scorers. it’s just early in the season and taking a bit of time to click into top gear. I would be far more worried if we weren’t creating chances, or leaking goals at the back, I’m pretty sure the conversion rates will improve.

17 Sep 2018 11:33:33
I think we have to take solace in the fact that 2 of the so called best defenders in the premier league in Toby and Vertonghen were absolutely terrified of our front three. You could see it Everytime Salah or Mane got the ball in particular the panic was obvious.
If we can do that to them then that bodes well for us against the rest. The finishing will come just as it did last season.

17 Sep 2018 11:29:20
Goal difference would certainly play a big part in deciding the title this season. So 1-0 won’t be good enough if you want to win it. Our strength lies in all our attack and goals. Salah and Mane are miles apart mentally. If they don’t stick together then we are missing more chances!

17 Sep 2018 11:33:48
We are not yet at full throttle

Once we gear up in the next few weeks then watch us fly

If we can avoid serious injuries we are in for one hell of a season.

17 Sep 2018 12:26:12
‘Goal difference will certainly play a big part? ’

It’s only played a big part twice in the last 50 years or so Perception. that’s a big call mate, and I don’t think we should be setting our strategy in September to be playing for goal difference just yet!

17 Sep 2018 12:42:48
Sure Harry BUT if we go and win every game 1-0, it can't be argued, we'd win the league lol I know we won't win every game but you know what I'm saying. Either way, the league is already ours mate just believe and the team will do the rest. We'll smash it! They may as well hand us the trophy now! :) hope you're well Harry mate.

17 Sep 2018 12:49:33
Goal difference will be irrelevant if we win every game 1-0, Harry, unless anoth team wins every match as well.

17 Sep 2018 13:38:38
Which would be impossible since we have to play each team twice, so only 1 team could ever finish the season winning every game. Plus, to claim after 5 games that goal difference will essentially decide the title (it either does or it doesn't, there's no grey area with this one! ) is one of the boldest claims I've seen on here! Get a fiver on it Harry, you'll clean up.

17 Sep 2018 14:49:47
It’s a bit silly to be talking about goal difference at this point but we have a goal difference of +9 after 5 games with 3 of those games away from home against Palace, Leicester and Spurs.
Chelsea are +10 and City +11.
We’ve had the more difficult games in my opinion as other than Arsenal (under a new manager and just trying to find their feet) neither City nor Chelsea have played teams that you would expect to give them a game yet both have struggled at times.
I’d say we are doing just fine.

17 Sep 2018 16:07:30
5 wins out of 5. No, I’m not worried 🤝.

17 Sep 2018 16:21:11
Exactly AussieMark, I remember screaming at my TV in a few of the early games last season because Salah missed some real easy chances.
Then he goes and scores 40 goals. I'd imagine he'll still hit 20 goals in the league this season, he's handed too many chances not too, you know?

Review Of The Day 17th September 2018

17 Sep 2018 07:29:01
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, Review Of The Day 17th September 2018

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17 Sep 2018 07:34:03
Thanks Ed, hope you have a good day mate.

{Ed001's Note - cheers mate, meeting up with a lad from the Arsenal site later, so if you never hear from me again you know why.....}

17 Sep 2018 07:34:26
a goal scoring goal keeper, things are definitely changing :)

{Ed001's Note - I am just worried he will give Alisson ideas!}

17 Sep 2018 07:37:08
Oh bloody hell Ed, stay safe, you know what they're like them lot ;) lol enjoy mate!

{Ed001's Note - I am wondering if I need a safe word....}

17 Sep 2018 09:29:52
Thanks Ed. I agree PSG have the best bus in the world. I just hope we don't wreck it outside Anfield Tuesday night. LFC treat the best bus in the world with some level of respect!

{Ed001's Note - I always thought Jose had the best one, it is certainly usually very proudly parked on the pitch like a showpiece.}

17 Sep 2018 10:40:08
Have a great day Ed and everyone.

17 Sep 2018 12:57:52
Your safe word should be Arsen, just be careful to say it clearly enough though 👍👍.

{Ed001's Note - no one would see anything then though.}

17 Sep 2018 17:09:59
Reckon we get the notorious Conor McGregor in to take care of it!

17 Sep 2018 04:17:55
Ed01.what is your opinion on our youngsters Gomez, Trent, Robertson. do u see them developing into class players. I particularly feel Robertson is quite mature and can develop into leader (particularly reading his mature comments on PSG games)

{Ed001's Note - Robbo is 24, he is past the age where he counts as a young player for young player awards so I don't think we should be talking about him in that way any more.

Gomez is getting better but still making a few basic errors.

Trent is a bit wasted at full-back imo.}

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17 Sep 2018 07:29:05
Hi ed, DO you think Trent will get a chance in midfield in may be cup games or against Belgrade in CL?
It has been said he is seen as a midfielder in the future But he has been largely effective at RB too. With Klopp who really does not touch the first team much at all I personally don't think he will get chances to show his graft and skill in the midfield.

{Ed001's Note - he had a few chances in midfield last season, I expect there will be more to come when injuries, suspension, fitness and form start to affect team line ups later in the season.

And it was me who said that he is seen as a future midfielder, as that is what he is seen as. Right back was only him filling a gap in the squad to get him in the team. The fact he has performed so admirably has meant that we have not had to buy one and may well see him end up there, but it is still early in his career. Kolo Toure spent the early part of his Arsenal career playing as a winger, Gerrard played full back in his early days too. It is just about learning and gaining experience, then seeing how his game evolves.}

17 Sep 2018 07:46:14
I think Trent will be so good at rb that he will remain one. Potential to be very best at that position. Excellent delivery, and getting better and better in defence and positioning. So glad he made it!

17 Sep 2018 08:04:02
Remember Carra scored on his debut, if I remember correctly? How a player starts their career and where they find a natural fit can be completely different things.

17 Sep 2018 11:31:12
I simply cannot see TAA getting a sniff in the midfield even if the kid wish for!

 


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