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16 Mar 2018 22:05:13
I am hoping for city games to be like 16/ 17 season when we beat them at anfield 1-0 and drew at etihad 2-2 very open games.

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16 Mar 2018 23:08:28
Hope so! I'm interested to see if the styles vary in CL. I think first game at home suits us this time around.

17 Mar 2018 12:33:40
I’ve always favoured 2nd leg away first, since the away goal rule came into play. If you are away first you never really know how adventurous you should be, as Utd found out against Seville. After a first leg at home, at least you know what you need to do in the away leg. The only downside is that, ad with Dortmund, the crowd can have a big effect.

17 Mar 2018 21:58:41
Yes I agree the crowd can have an impact but from passionate fans of clubs like Dortmund and Liverpool. I can't recall a game where I was in aw of city's fans atmosphere.

16 Mar 2018 20:44:22
if you read Josh Gilbert's Part 2 of liverpool senior squad regulars.

Then if you're interested here is Part 1 of liverpool senior squad regulars

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16 Mar 2018 20:57:35
Ed, the links do the same as the one I found on page 4 of the news-views site. It jumps to a black and green page with loads of fake links 🤔.

{Ed033's Note - try again please

16 Mar 2018 22:50:40
This now works, thanks Ed.

17 Mar 2018 05:28:54
Cheers Josh. Another great piece.

I wonder if the way they attribute blame has changed by the Way, because Carragher made way more than one error leading to a goal!

16 Mar 2018 18:24:21
Tough draw obviously, for both clubs.

On paper they are slightly better of course - the league table doesn't lie but stylistically we can match up well against them, plus we have the Anfield atmosphere which can make a real difference as it did when we last met - if that match had ended 5 nil to us, they couldn't really have argued such was our dominance generally in that game.

They're going to start as favourites and rightly so, this could easily work in our favour as surely the Liverpool players will raise their games as high as they can go, whereas being favourites can (as we witness all the time) bring complacency.

If our players can keep clear heads and focus on their own game, anything could happen in this tie.

We most certainly CAN win this one, make no mistake about that.

This could be a great tie either way!

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16 Mar 2018 18:35:41
My biggest worry is there are 9 league points up for grabs before, during and after this fixture. Do we honestly have the strength in depth to rest our stars for CL and still get them points? My answer would be no. As great as the CL is for me, top 4 is still the priority. What would people's thoughts be if we get to CL semi and knocked out but finish 5th.

16 Mar 2018 18:43:33
Someone mentioned wanting to avoid Barcelona or City.

For me the 2 teams I would have liked to avoid are Bayern and Juve. 2 teams who know how to defend.

City can’t defend for toffee we love playing against open teams. It’s bus parkers we struggle with.

Easy draw for us 👍.

16 Mar 2018 19:03:53
Ron, I wanted to avoid City, Barcelona or Bayern because they are my 3 favourites for the tournament. They have the ability to win by 4 or 5 goals at home. So do we, but it just makes it more of a 50/ 50 chance to progress. Any other side, I'd be quietly confident of getting past over 2 legs now United and Atletico are out. I thought Juve were good defensively before the season started, but they are a shadow cast of last season. Chiellini and Barzagli look over the hill and selling Bonucci was a silly decision. They are not even top in a league they have ran away with recently.

Now we've drawn City though, we just have to suck it up and enjoy the tie! It's not like we are guaranteed to go out now. I just think we would've had a better shot against Sevilla, Roma, Juve or Real. Still, should be a good old slugging fest watching us and City trying to outscored each other over 180 minutes. Easily the best tie of the QF's. We have as much chance of progression as we do of elimination! I think the Anfield atmosphere on European nights gives us a marginal advantage.

16 Mar 2018 19:14:28
I really do hate to say it but I've got us going out with a 6-2 aggregate loss let's hope I am wrong but we will have to wait and see.

16 Mar 2018 19:35:35
Juve were all over the place v Spurs, only in the last 30 mins did they tighten up. Old and slow springs to mind. City would smash Juve.

16 Mar 2018 21:07:55
No they would not, mark IMO. Juve have a much better record than City and have made 2 of the last 3 finals so let's get that straight. They were not all over the place vs Spurs. Had Juve scored that penalty at 3-1 in Turin, Spurs would have been out. Also, you forget that Juve had a stone wall pen denied when Vertonghen fouled Costa in the box at 0-0.

Spurs bottled it cos Juve are adept at playing the rope-a-dope, the same tactic that Muhammad Ali used to beat George foreman. They suck you in making you think you have a chance and then pounce. That is what they did to Spurs at Wembley. Notice they never panicked when Spurs got the lead. They took their time, made the right changes and took Spurs down.

Poch got schooled by Allegri who is just as smart as Pep, IMO (Poch is not in his league) . Allegri is a very good, smart and astute manager and City would have issues with them and so would we.

16 Mar 2018 21:25:03
Love your optimism Ron. Now negativewalter has predicted such a heavy defeat over 2 legs, i am going to put money on Liverpool qualifying to the semi's ;)

16 Mar 2018 22:33:51
Well said BRover, completely agree with your post.

16 Mar 2018 23:16:51
I wouldn’t have fancied Real. All their eggs are I. The CL basket so to speak with being so far behind in the league.

16 Mar 2018 23:38:39
think we should switch our thoughts back to the premiership, its not going to be easy to get top four like people think, thanks to the FA, who keep giving us a hard time, we now have three 12 30 games,
these 12 30 games are more difficult than a 3 clock game, don't believe me, then see how many points over the season that we get from them,
also check out how many 12 30 s that we have to play compared to other teams,
no wonder Klopp is angry over the everton time change, he knows it will be another tough game, more so cos he will be temtpted to rotate and rest players for the 2nd leg V City,
fingers crossed .

17 Mar 2018 12:47:58
We've already played them twice this season. Seeing as it's our first Champions League quarters in years I was hoping for a Real, Barcelona or Bayern personally. Think we can win the tie and get one in the next round but I was looking forward to us sending C. Ronaldo back to Madrid with his tail between his legs.

17 Mar 2018 12:42:29
Ironic you say that negativeredwalter, on my FM18 save, I lost to City in the semi finals of the CL 6-2 on aggregate.

Liverpool Senior Squad Regulars - A Statistical Analysis: Part 2: Midfielders and Forwards

16 Mar 2018 17:30:19
{Ed's Note - Josh Gilbert has posted a new article entitled, Liverpool Senior Squad Regulars - A Statistical Analysis: Part 2: Midfielders and Forwards

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16 Mar 2018 20:35:42
Really enjoyed reading that mate. Very well written and amazing amount of statistical research. I didn't agree with everything but it was entertaining. I've not seen you write before. Any Eds got the link to part 1 as I'd love to read it?

Constructive criticisms if they are welcome? Check your facts. For example, you've listed Firmino as signing in 2013 when he actually signed in 2015 (though I reckon that was a mere typo) . Also, it was Rodgers who signed Firmino so we can't fully credit Klopp. Klopp was just the one who figured out how to use him! Easy mistake to make though buddy. I once wrote an article about centre backs and listed John Brooks as still playing for his old club! Whoops 🤦‍♂️ Only other thing (and this is hard when writing such a long article) is try not to accidentally contradict yourself. For example you explained how Milner was the most creative player in this years Champions league, and then questioned his end product later on without any elaboration. Reading between the lines, I would assume you mean his lack of goals from open play? Just needed a brief elaboration.

Would be interested in reading a similar article on the academy players if you have the time? A statistical analysis of players like Wilson, Ojo and Kent etc. You could include their youth games and loan spells? Only if you want to though. I just really enjoyed it and would like to read more from you. Thanks in advance mate! Thanks again for the brilliant read!

{Ed033's Note - liverpool senior squad regulars Part 1

16 Mar 2018 21:01:48
This made a very good read, a few minor mistakes but overall fantastic and I really enjoyed reading it, unfortunately though I can't view part 1 for some reason it comes up with a blank page. Thanks for taking your time to publish a well thought out article mate, very much appreciated.

17 Mar 2018 18:55:59
Thanks MK and Salah. I fully agree with you MK my bad. I wrote this article over the course of a month and I rushed the proof reading before posting. As for an academy article, unfortunately I just don't know enough about them to do one. I wouldn't want to waste people's time.

16 Mar 2018 16:03:00
A question for ..............

{Ed002's Note - Take it to the MU page, this is the Liverpool page.}

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16 Mar 2018 16:19:01
Fair enough. To modify the second part of the question, when Raffa did his infoumous rant as Liverpool manager was it as good, equally as good or not as good as the one today.

{Ed002's Note - Generally these “rants” are the result of coaches becoming rather miffed at the media and what the perceive to be a witch hunt, or perhaps simply unfair or tainted reporting. I have a little sympathy but to adumbrate the views of the media and many supporters does little to help their cause - and that is what Benitez and Mourinho did. However, to be fair the media in the UK seem to get a great deal of pleasure from causing difficulties to football coaches, whether they deserve it or not.}

16 Mar 2018 17:29:48
I feel silly. I had to Google adumbrate. Haha. New word for the day. Cheers ed.

16 Mar 2018 21:03:16
That's a great post madmax, I'm still laughing, mainly because I had to do the same thing.

16 Mar 2018 23:23:38
I like what Mourinho said. Klopp spoke similarly in his first year and a half, just delivered it with more charisma.

Cant find direct quotes but I can remember Klopp making reference to needing new players (suggesting he inherited some duds), encouraged fans to support the team and fight with them to the final whistle (criticize atmosphere and fan support), evidenced his suitability to rebuild liverpool based on his previous success and experience (telling everyone he has done this beefore and will do it again), encouraged media and fans to give him and his players time to build their project (criticizing media criticisms) etc etc

This is more about the media and for me it was a fun liste. Rafa's fact rant to me was way worse than this. In amongst all of manUs atruggles they've won a major european trophy and have significantly improved their league position. Like us, the steady improvements are being overshadowed by the few black marka on the record. Add that to the way he talks to media then obviously everything is there for media and public backlash.

16 Mar 2018 21:09:52
Spot on, Ed02. England is the only country I have seen the football media do that to managers and teams. Pathetic, really.

16 Mar 2018 14:57:29
The two teams I would have liked to avoid were city and Barcelona. Over two legs I just don’t see us beating either of these two but the others I think we had every chance of beating. It’s definitely game on when we play city but I’m scared about what can happen to us at the etihad. At anfield I think we’ll edge it. Tactically Klopp has to bring it this time otherwise the trend of him not getting it right on the very big stage will continue.

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16 Mar 2018 15:04:31
No one knows 100% definitely who is going to win. But what I know 100% is it's going to be two hell of a games of football. You bet your life every football fan will be tuning in as it's going to be great for the Neutral. What we and city will guarantee is both teams will come to play and win. I am thankful that Utd are out as I'd rather watch the Coronation Street omnibus than 2 fixtures against them again.

16 Mar 2018 15:29:58
I think we will win it over the 2 legs. Liverpool is made for European football. City have never won the CL and while i fully understand that none of the Liverpool players have much CL experience, the club and the fans have loads compared to City. My only real issue is having to play at home first but if we can get any sort of lead then they might just fall into our hands at the Emptyhad.

16 Mar 2018 16:58:08
this will be decided on away goals without doubt.

16 Mar 2018 17:40:08
We need to really create an atmosphere at Anfield like I'm sure we will. We need to boo every City touch and whilstle like we did in the league. Really get under them.
Then we need to Get on the City website and buy all their home Tickets soon as they come on sale.
We'll turn that place red and play 2 home fixtures.

16 Mar 2018 18:16:13
We need to frighten the absolute she*p out of the City player's even before they get on the pitch.

16 Mar 2018 18:23:09
The one I really didn’t want was Bayern!

16 Mar 2018 21:12:58
I actually did not want Bayern, Real, Barcelona or Juve so I'm cool with City cos we have a great record against them and WE are the reason they will NOT be undefeated this season and that is to our honor to some extent. They know us and we know them. We know what we can do to them and vice versa so there will be no secrets here. We play both games full throttle with nothing to lose and no regrets and let the chips fall where they may.

16 Mar 2018 14:31:49
As much as things have been on the up in respect to on-field performance, I have an off-field concern.

I'm sure most of us are subscribed to the club's email list, and about 1/ 4 of you (born so far this year) will have received a Happy Birthday e-mail from the club. Got mine this morning.

Last year, in 2017, Jurgen Klopp sang to me, almost giggling. This year, a myriad of players merely speaking.

Feels like a step backward.

Bring back Jurgen singing, LFC!

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16 Mar 2018 14:41:54
Happy Birthday mate.

16 Mar 2018 18:40:58
Check out Yaya Toure 😄

Have a good day mate 🎂.

16 Mar 2018 14:17:21
We were going to have to beat big teams at some stage if we wanted to win the CL. We did great early on Against them at Anfield but fell to pieces at the end a little but with VVD now hopefully that won’t happen again. We were down to 10 men at their place so Can’t really look to much into that game.
They are dodgy at the back just like us, they are excellent up front just like us.
It’s down to the 3 in midfield to put in a couple of great performances and not the headless chicken running around carry on we’ve seen a bit recently. Well Klopp and the team know everything possible about Man City so no surprises, no extra scouting needed, just man up and give it everything and hopefully we have enough to win the tie but if we do leave let’s go out with pride giving them the best matches possible and not out with a whimper like against a Man Utd.
If a player can’t get up for these matches and give it everything then he shouldn’t be at Liverpool FC.

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16 Mar 2018 17:41:55
We're going to smash them! Who the hell are Man City.
We are European Royalty. Anfield will frighten the life outa them again.

16 Mar 2018 18:36:30
I feel cheated. Say we go out to city, we have gone all the way to the quarter finals and the only decent European teams we have played are porto and seville (who sound more europa league that champions league) I was looking forward to the real Madrid and juventus of the world coming to anfield.

On the plus side, we know we can beat City, we only have a 30 mile bus ride and we know the team more than we know bayern Munich Barcelona etc.

16 Mar 2018 21:15:58
SS, if we go out to City then so be it. That's footie and life goes on. What I will not allow is for us to not give all we've got in both games. That will not be acceptable, IMO. In games like these, you as the underdog, MUST give it all you've got cos what you don't want when you lose is to start thinking of what might have been. You may still get your wish of Juve, Real or Bayern coming to Anfield so that is where the focus should be, IMO.

16 Mar 2018 23:07:02
Yeah fair play BRover, let's hope so eh.

16 Mar 2018 14:16:01
Why the negativity? all I remember from Liverpool V City at Anfield is a dominate performance. As long as we show who we are on our day we can beat City easily. Show some positivity 4-3 flattered City a lot more than it flattered the mighty Reds!

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16 Mar 2018 14:37:07
6-2 at Anfield.
7-3 at the Etihad.

9-9 on aggregate, Liverpool through an away goals 😂

No in all seriousness though, what a tie this is. Just relish it lads!

16 Mar 2018 14:38:54
I am not feeling too positive at the moment City are a far better team than us. But I am looking forward to the games and we have a chance of course. I would of just rather played anyone else.

IMO we beat City because we just had 9 days of (half on the beach) while they were playing two games) . We were a lot fresher than City. But the first game really flattered them that match could have gone either way. Klopp and the players will have to be 100% for us to progress to the semis.

16 Mar 2018 14:53:08
Did you watch us at the etihad as well? A one off game I’d agree we could beat them. Over two legs, I think it’s very unlikely. We’re not quite there yet in terms of beating the more elite teams if I’m brutally honest. Saturday against United showed this, tactically Klopp gets it wrong on the very big stage but he can get it right. I admire the optimism and there’s every change we can win, but drawing city wasn’t good for either of us or the chances of an English team finally winning it again.

16 Mar 2018 15:11:40
Kman, I did indeed, from my memory even a 1-0 lead flattered city at the time at the ethiedhad before the the Mane red card, in my belief other than Roma and Sevilla there could be no better tie for Liverpool considering other possible opponents. (just consider Juergen Klopp has the best win percentage against Pep than other any manager in the world) . It’s been done before in much harder circumstances and why can we not do it again?

16 Mar 2018 16:30:47
I don't believe City are a much better team than us. On paper if both teams played to 100% then they would edge it, however football doesn't work like that.

As good as they have been City have been handed the league second half of the season, case and point that Chelsea performance.
Teams have waved the white flag and rolled over for City before a ball has been kicked. Three teams gave them a fight, us, Wigan and Bristol.

If the boys play to their best and have a bit of luck we will make it to the semi's. One thing is for certain, Anfield will need to be rocking for the first leg!

16 Mar 2018 16:42:25
If I’m honest I’d have preferred to not have met them but like a lot of posters on here say, City will be more disappointed at meeting us as we are of meeting them. I think mistakes from the Etihad will have been learnt, and we were down to ten men before that incident we were by far the better team. Also we never had Van Dijk in either game against City.

The only good draws would have been Sevilla, Roma or Juve (due to suspensions they have for next round) . But at this stage of the competition no draw is easy.

Weren’t Chelsea the all conquering side in 2005 and also beat us twice in the league that season and beat us convincingly If i remember right?

Barring injury I think we have a great chance.

16 Mar 2018 19:53:50
23 just for today I am a bit pissed because I didn't want them, as it gets nearer I will get right up for the matches . Man city 1 to 15 are far better than we are, you can't question that.

I wish we were at home second leg.

16 Mar 2018 21:10:42
It's good to see the utd fans have stopped visiting our page now. They're out and all the talk in Lancashire is about liverpool and city. Liverpool will even dominate the Manchester Derby. Pep will be saying things like "we need to rest so and so and so and so for the ucl quarter final.

No one cares about utd today. I would have preferred to miss City in the draw but it has made utd irrelevant today and for that I'm pleased.

Also, what better way to throw down the gauntlet to city for next year's title than by knocking them out of the ucl

To the poster (jayden23) who would rather we concentrate on top 4 finish than try to win the ucl, well, if we win the ucl we are in it next year no matter where we finish. Why try so hard to get in it next year if we're not going to try winning it when we ARE there now.

16 Mar 2018 21:30:25
Kman92, City are a better team than we are YET we are the team they fear the most. Why? We are the team they struggle against the most historically since 2009 and after spending over 1 bn on transfers. Why do you think that is? It's cos there are some teams you do not match up with. Under Klopp, we are the only ones to beat City on a more consistent basis, putting a hatful past them. They are more afraid of us than we should be of them and remember, Klopp thrives as the underdog which is what has made his mystique and brought him success in his career. Keep the faith man.

Mark08, I'm not bothered about City or whoever cos the draw is what it is and we will give them a good fight like we always do and the chips will fall where they may.

16 Mar 2018 13:59:02
Not sure why everyone is so annoyed about getting City? To win it we would have had to beat them or beat the team that beat them anyway, at this point in the tournament, it makes little difference who we play. Look at our team in 2005 compared to Milan's. We can beat anyone on our day!

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