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20 Jun 2019 09:02:07
Mornin Eds.
Reading conflicting reports of Rafa Camacho supposedly off to either Schalke or Sporting, any chance Ed002 or anyone knows what's really happening and can clear this up?

Thanks very much and have a great day.

{Ed002's Note - Rafael Camacho (AM) Sporting still want a loan to buy deal but will have an influx of money which will allow them to commit to buying. Interest of Benfica has probably gone as they were looking to a loan with an option to buy. Wolves are interested and have been for sometime. Schalke have been in discussions with Liverpool recently and are interested in buying the player outright.}

20 Jun 2019 11:00:01
Wow great thanks a mil Ed002!

{Ed002's Note - You are welcome.}

20 Jun 2019 11:02:47
Thanks Ed! I am assuming, given the contract situation, we would do a loan to buy?

Do you think he has the qualities to of been given a chance at some point? Whenever I have seen him he has been decent enough but difficult to judge given his lack of experience!

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool want to sell him. He has been told he will get chances and that was untrue - he has also said when he did play it was out of position. This is the growing problem the Premier League clubs are seeing - the kids want immediate first team game time and those who have been promised chances (which we know Klopp does) then get miffed and want to move on. A month or so ago I was with the Sporting Director (and very high end scout) of a German side and he was in London looking at kids from Arsenal, Fulham and Chelsea and he was explaining that German sides are going to be pushing to look to signing kids from England as they offer realistic routes in to the top-level game. So lots of sides from Germany are looking.}

20 Jun 2019 12:05:22
It must be difficult for young players to be promised stuff like that for it to just be a lie!

I do think we should be giving more opportunities when maybe we are comfortable in a game to maybe let players like Camacho have 10/ 15mins of experience.

I just don’t get why managers don’t do that more often, and would of assumed Klopp would be someone of that ilk, do you think the pressure of being at Liverpool has led him to be less youth driven? I know at Dortmund he was really good at nurturing youth.

I believe the same thing Ed, it is an interesting approach by German clubs and one that we have seen is fruitful, we as a country of academy’s produce quite a lot of decent players but as you say we don’t ever offer as much exposure as German clubs.

What would be your approach to youth at Liverpool so that we are still offering a route to the first team and exposure that makes us seem an attractive club for your players and their development?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool are doing better than they used to but it is not structured or managed well still.}

20 Jun 2019 13:00:38
I suppose the difficulty managers have is that they may fully intend giving young players some time on the pitch but then that gets pushed aside once a certain group of players starts doing well. I doubt any Liverpool supporter - sad but true - wanted to see Camacho replace any of our players in the first team last season given we were pushing so hard for the league and CL. If he was playing out of his skin in training and the U21s then maybe he'd have got more chances but do we know if that was the case? Probably not.

{Ed002's Note - The answer is don't make promises or kowtow to players.}

20 Jun 2019 16:18:02
Agreed Ed, if that filters through the youth teams of broken promises that’s going to have a negative impact on the rest of them.

20 Jun 2019 16:42:15
Half the problem is expectancy of fans. If a young player doesn't hit the ground running or isn't Neymar then there's howls of "he's crap, get rid, spend £60 million on a suitable replacement". And this coming from fans who playing wise aren't fit to kiss the studs of the young players they're busy slagging off.
Unfortunately the sheer majority of fans these days have no idea at all of what it's like for players trying to climb through the ranks and stake their claim for a spot in the team/ squad.

20 Jun 2019 17:21:37
I think the problem (albeit a good problem) is that we're now at a standard 1 point behind an excellent Man City team and European Champions.

If we were still finishing 7th, like when Klopp took over, had an injury to our right sided attacker/ winger, and Shaqiri's signing just didn't work out, the likes of Camacho may have been given a chance.

The stakes are higher now that the level of quality in the squad is much higher and our attackers have been pretty much injury free.

It's different trying to break into the first team for an upper mid-table side than it is to break into a serial European finalists and title challengers side.

20 Jun 2019 02:37:40
I have read that LFC have looked at Junior Firpo of Real Betis. The 22 year old is predominantly a Left back but able to cover left wing and CB.

20 Jun 2019 09:44:33
Looks ideal on youtube. And everybody knows youtube clips are golden when judging a players ability. :)

{Ed002's Note - Firpo is not moving to Liverpool to play as cover - he would be first choice if there were any interest.}

20 Jun 2019 12:02:12
How is the young lad Anderson Arroyo doing - was his loan to Gent a waste of time?

{Ed002's Note - Anderson Arroyo (LB) will have to be loaned again as WP issues will persist. Questions have arisen that he has struggled to settle and he was not seen as good enough to play for the Gent first team. Relegated Nurnberg and struggling Deportivo de La Coruna are potential options for him - clearly any side in Spain might ease issues with his settling and ease him in to Europe.}

19 Jun 2019 11:32:59
Good morning or afternoon which ever part of the world you reside from.

Liverpool are close to completing a deal
for Bruno Fernandes of Sporting Lisbon.

The deal isn't directly linked with Rafael Camacho going the other way, two totally separate deals.

Have a good day

S x.

19 Jun 2019 11:36:19
Any news on this eds?

19 Jun 2019 12:43:41
No chance!

19 Jun 2019 13:32:42
We've got
Henderson
Wijnaldum
Fabinho
MIlner
Keita
Oxlade-Chamberlain
Lallana

All of whom when fully fit are starters and all vying for 3 places.
We need to lose at least one as it is. At the moment it's Lallana
who has unfortunately fallen down the pecking order.
I seriously hope this rumour is bs. We do not need another midfielder.

19 Jun 2019 14:03:46
People keep coming out with all these midfielders we have but if we want to go to the next level we need to be ruthless.

We have 3 attacking midfielders. Keita, Lallana and Ox. The only one who has proven he is good enough is Ox, and none of them have proven they can be relied on 30 games a season. If there is a chance to sign a player with 32 goals and 18 assists from midfield, you don't turn them down to remain loyal to players who had little to no impact over the last 12 month's.

Milner, Henderson, Gini and Fabinho are our only midfielders who earned their salaries last season and they're all better as box to box / holding midfielders.

19 Jun 2019 14:20:11
Odd thing Liverpool would be spending valuable time scouting a player, they don't have the need for then.

{Ed001's Note - why would that be odd? Teams have to scout players because you never know when you might need one. Illness or injury can end a player's career at any moment, for example.}

19 Jun 2019 14:34:17
We need another attacking midfielder in my opinion, we have enough forwards but no AM.

This is how i see your list above
Henderson - Box 2 box / DM
Wijnaldum - Box 2 box
Fabinho - DM
MIlner - Box 2 Box / AM (But ageing won't be a major starter)
Keita - Box 2 box
Oxlade-Chamberlain - AM (Coming back from a heavy layoff)
Lallana - Should be sold, as can't be relied upon.

From how i seen it we only have 2 AM one of which is ageing and will possibly only have 1 more season and Ox who has just come back from a long injury and could easily get a few niggles keeping him out for short periods. That means we are back to just Box 2 box midfielders and DM with little creativity coming from the midfield. I know a lot of our chances come from our fullbacks, but we need to have more options in attacking, someone to play balls through the defence. Although i do believe this is one of Keita's strong points in his game, so hopefully he steps up there.

19 Jun 2019 14:54:18
Isn't Henderson managing an injury aswell?

19 Jun 2019 14:57:57
Are we doing it ed? Or is it going to be another fekir. oh no i just jinxed us😣😣😣.

{Ed002's Note - I am not entirely sure I understand the question. All of Liverpool’s efforts (as far as the fans are concerned) appear to be working on Pepe to replace Salah, Mbappe to replace Pepe and Dembele to replace Mbappe (or something like that.}

19 Jun 2019 15:16:09
I said it before and i will say it again, if we do not REFRESH our squad this window, we will end up like Spurs.
Lallana and to some extent Ox cannot be relied on. Lallana is past his best and Ox just coming back from an injury where he gets his speed from.
So tell me why we can't scout and bid for Fernandes and the like?

19 Jun 2019 15:24:22
I think we are all just guessing and trying to piece together our transfer strategy for this summer mate to be fair. I am no different however I do realise we won’t be signing Pépé, Fernandez and the likes of.

{Ed002's Note -We will see.}

19 Jun 2019 16:01:17
I must admit, I did giggle when I saw the Metro linking us to Mbappe.

19 Jun 2019 16:01:50
So we have the highest points total in the history of the club AND win a champs league at the same time and everyone wants to suddenly change the first 11?

Whether flashy or not that first 11 IS capable of winning a title and probably will. But if start changing players we will also affects tactics and team chemistry.

Personally I hope we don't sign anyone for the first 11. We need viable back ups not starting 11.

19 Jun 2019 16:57:04
Nevada we don’t need to replace the starting 11 but we do need cover for both full backs as they can’t play 50+ Games each. Same with the front 3 we need cover and possibly a creative midfielder.

19 Jun 2019 17:23:07
Personally hoping we sign Fernandes. I think he would be a great complement to a great squad. Lallana probably needs to move for game time but I still believe in him when fit. Keita I was expecting a lot of but a year in England not comfortable with the language would be tough for many players. Cost so much go can't just give up on him, and hopefully he will prosper next season. Fekir is a good option in lieu of Fernandes and Ox is always there.

19 Jun 2019 17:24:56
That's why I said I hope we just sign viable subs Virgil. But anyone thinking fernandes, Pepe etc are coming to be subs is a bit mistaken.

19 Jun 2019 18:07:18
There is a good argument made by MSMP on discussion page regarding injury history of our few players.
It's worth a look!

{Ed001's Note - can you stick with MSMP or this account and stop swapping between them. They have the same IP and tried to post the same injury history post, so it is clearly you swapping between accounts. The T&Cs are clear - one account only, so pick one and the other will be deleted.}

19 Jun 2019 18:31:55
Hahahahaha.

19 Jun 2019 18:49:17
Haha, busted TheRedKop. There's no need to have conversations with yourself. There's plenty of people on here.

Are you OK mate? Do you need help?

19 Jun 2019 19:00:54
The red kop I suggest you make a new account called TRKMSMP and combine your two personalities 😂.

19 Jun 2019 19:58:42
Oh dear Redkop. Have you listened to 'Personality crisis' by the New York dolls.

20 Jun 2019 01:46:30
So i had to go and check out what msmp said on the discussion page. Bit further down and msmp and TRK is havin a conversation with themselves. himself. ha ha 🤪.

20 Jun 2019 02:38:32
Apart from goalkeeper. I don’t believe in “back ups”.

A top team should have a strong squad which are all capable of pushing for a 1st team place. Not 11 players and some back ups .

20 Jun 2019 02:44:26
Love it when someone gets owned on here. So funny. Firminosteeth’s teeth one was the highlight of last summers transfer window for me. Even more so than signing Allison and that’s saying something.

19 Jun 2019 01:44:02
Lots of talk regarding contact made for Koulibaly. Maybe rubbish but a lot of sites saying so not just the odd one.

19 Jun 2019 05:59:59
He'd cost crazy money so I doubt it.

19 Jun 2019 06:57:42
He would cost ridiculous money but what a cb pairing we would have if it was true. scary.

19 Jun 2019 07:48:42
Don't they both play on the left side? So probably a non-starter.

19 Jun 2019 08:00:57
What's wrong with the centre back pairings we have ?

19 Jun 2019 09:20:25
I'm assuming Lovren is close to completing a move to Italy, so they are linking us to CBs.

19 Jun 2019 10:30:34
He'd cost more than VVD and he also plays on the left side of the defence which is where VVD plays. We also have Gomez who impressed immensely alongside VVD before injury, so I'd rather just stick with what we have, maybe move Lovren on for a homegrown option or an experienced player willing to rotate and push Gomez to keep improving.

17 Jun 2019 20:40:08
Hi guys I'm well informed from an excellent source who I have no reason to doubt about two transfers to be completed within the next week or two maximum. Both are Southampton players!

The first is Alex McCarthy with a 7.5 million fee wanted.

The second is Matt target and is valued around 15 million although Liverpool want to do a deal for both players closer to 15 million.

Both could be excellent home grown snips.

17 Jun 2019 20:59:43
Lets see.

As long as it's Southampton I'm alright.

We have more saints than the local temple lol.

17 Jun 2019 21:05:43
I’ve got the same source lerchy. It’s call every sports news outlet mate. It’s been in the news all day but thanks anyway.

17 Jun 2019 21:18:01
Is targett decent I haven't seen much of him, hoping he is firstly good defensively and then can get forward if he was too come.

17 Jun 2019 21:42:52
Cheers for sharing lerchy.

{Ed025's Note - i dont know why klopp never just took the southampton job in the first place and had done with it PB.. :)

17 Jun 2019 22:27:39
I think you picked up the wrong sauce.

17 Jun 2019 23:08:56
no kidding Ed.

18 Jun 2019 00:44:11
Nice 1 ed25. Imagine what he could have done at Southampton when they had just bought VVD.

{Ed025's Note - they have had some very good players robbo, their scouting network is very good but it must be frustrating for their supporters when moneybags liverpool just come and pillage all their players mate..

18 Jun 2019 07:26:08
Ed025, come on now these little partnerships exist all over, not just between Liverpool and Southampton. I mean don't Everton have a history of pillaging Man Utd of its players?
Granted, it's the tosh that they want out but still, Everton have definitely got a load of loyalty points for shopping at Man Utd.

{Ed025's Note - it does happen at other clubs bobby but there is such a thing as overkill, for gods sake let that poor club breathe!, they will be one of the favourites to be relegated next season and its all down to liverpool, its bullying its intrusive and its unfair, get your own scouting network..

18 Jun 2019 07:31:11
That's why he struggled at Dortmund wasn't it ed except it was bayern.

{Ed025's Note - thats right berg, so you think he would have more decorum mate..

18 Jun 2019 08:02:23
To be fair, we did give saints about £80m For Lallana, Lambert, Clyne and Lovren so they probably don't mind us shopping there!

18 Jun 2019 08:15:35
To be fair, klopp has only bought two players from Southampton.

18 Jun 2019 08:21:13
Yep, its all down to Liverpool, nothing to do with players wanting to play at a higher level or Southampton getting tens of millions for the players earning massive profits off them, haha.

18 Jun 2019 10:01:26
We sold Ings to them and they could have Clyne and Lallana too.

18 Jun 2019 10:07:23
Dont mind the idea of Mcarthy as a backup GK, but i would love us to go for Sessegnon as partner to Robertson for the LB position.

18 Jun 2019 11:44:39
Not exactly top class player purchases are they? City are signing Rodri from Atletico and Cancelo from Juventus, how can Jurgen compete with that, if McCarthy and Targett are our only two signings for this season, expect the gap between Liverpool an City to widen significantly, no offense to both those players but they're mid-table signings.

{Ed001's Note - Robertson has done ok on bridging the gap and he was not even mid-table when he joined.}

18 Jun 2019 12:21:04
I agree lerchy, that they sound like good deals. Homegrown too.

They may seem underwhelming to some but so did Andy Robertson and Aoc. If klopp and the team have identified them as good targets then i trust in them completely.

Eds, could some deal with Danny Ings be involved?

{Ed001's Note - the Ings deal is done.}

18 Jun 2019 12:52:52
Thanks for the rumour lerchy.

At the price of 15mill for both decent backups to have. Yeah Targett is a weird one but young enough to make a go of it if he can improve under the set up at lfc.

Maybe a couple of signings like that keeps funds free for a attacking mid or help for the front three usually a position that’s more costly.

18 Jun 2019 13:01:49
Exactly Robbie mate, targetts first team chances have been limited due to the excellent bertrand. If Klopp thinks it’s a good signing I’m with him, with the transfer fee it’s a low risk gamble plus it adds to the home grown quota.

18 Jun 2019 13:20:46
Re-bolsters the HG quotient, seems a reasonable amount of money for a couple of decent backups.

18 Jun 2019 13:32:35
ed001 what's your thoughts on Targett, from the games I see him play last season I don't see the point as I would much rather Milner cover there or even give Adam Lewis a shot as he never looked any thing like good enough for are first team.

{Ed001's Note - I don't want to waste Milner on covering left-back except in desperation. And I am not convinced by Lewis at all. Targett's issue is injuries, he was way ahead of Shaw in youth teams until injury ruled him out as he was set to make his debut. He still struggles to stay fit, that is why I would not be so keen on him.}

18 Jun 2019 15:07:38
A good homegrown option as backup imo, who won't cost much or expect to start games, yet has the potential to become very good. If our medical team can get Sturridge fit they can get anyone fit!

Lewis is going to go out on loan, he's got a lot to prove so a season in the lower leagues should show whether he's got enough potential for the top or not.

Have the Eds any tid-bits on clubs interested in loaning Liverpool players? The limit has been reduced, right? How many allowed now?
Thanks Eds!

{Ed002's Note - It depends where they are loaned to. I have answered this before.}

18 Jun 2019 16:43:41
Just an observation about Southampton and Liverpool 'pinching' their best players; I recall reading this a couple of years back. Draw a 50 mile radius from Southampton and you get a lot of sea to the south but you capture 4 million people. Do the same in Liverpool and you capture 8 million people. The academies that Southampton compete with include Bournemouth and Portsmouth and at a real stretch Reading and Brighton. Liverpool compete with Everton, Tranmere, all Greater Manchester clubs, Preston, Blackpool, Crewe, Stoke, etc, etc. This is picking kids for academies not scouting, but I think it is a fair point to make about competition for local talent.

{Ed002's Note - You mean like Lovren, van Dijk and mane?}

18 Jun 2019 11:53:36
Come on Ed025. Nobody, and I mean nobody, can do anything to you if you don't allow it to happen, in the first place. So Southampton are willing sellers because they allow it to happen. And I think they have been very handsomely compensated with the fee for VVD, to balance out any other previous misgivings. It's the business. We do to Southampton what Barcelona did to us. 😉.

{Ed025's Note - 2 wrongs have never made a right ArAy and i feel for their supporters who pay good money and see their team decimated every season mate..

18 Jun 2019 17:51:46
I will agree with Targett at this moment ed025, but I feel if Liverpool had not secured Mane and VVD, another top 6 club would have definitely signed them and Southampton would still have been in the same state.

In that case, it would have not only been damaging for Saints but also for us mate.

{Ed025's Note - im sure if everton had signed them 2 then i would certainly not be complaining MH, it must be terribly hard to stomach for the saints fans though mate..

18 Jun 2019 18:35:49
ed025 is it not like Barcelona signing player of us.

{Ed025's Note - in a way it is grino, but if they took 3/4 of your side then you would really have a case mate..

18 Jun 2019 19:04:25
I feel for the saints fans, every window must be sickening. But they really need to look at who's running their club and not ours. Football is all about what players you have and who you can buy to strengthen the team, and what youth players you can bring through to save and make money. They can always say no, but when a players heads turned, it's very hard as we have experienced before and will again no doubt. But if saints have a player we want, we should make a fair offer and respect their reply.

{Ed002's Note - You don't want to worry too much about them. Liverpool massively over paid for van Dijk in cash they didn't have and had to borrow. And it was yet another attempt of the Liverpool directors trailing a trail of slime to beg them not to make a complaint about the tapping up. And they have had to do that over another player since.}

18 Jun 2019 19:15:54
Absolute bull Ed 2. Your smear campaign isn’t working.

{Ed002's Note - What smear campaign - what isn't true there? Every word is true as it always is. Klopp is a cheat - there is no disputing that. Liverpool paid for van Dijk after he had been on strike for 6 moths - a bottom of the pile human being. Liverpool paid £15M pounds more plus enormous agent fees than the club was asking from the non cheating clubs. Liverpool paid in cash with money they borrowed as they did not have it. Moron.}

18 Jun 2019 20:07:27
Ed001 only just catching up with things on here mate. Do you no if any interest from us in Targett then?

{Ed001's Note - I don't sorry.}

19 Jun 2019 01:01:19
I live in Southampton, and yes their fans are pretty fed up of us poaching their players.
We're not too popular a club down this way.

18 Jun 2019 20:16:31
Ed002, FSG stumped up the cash for VVD, am I correct in saying that.

{Ed002's Note - They borrowed the money.}

19 Jun 2019 07:03:42
Ed25. Just saying, but Klopp only signed 2 Soton players. Just saying. 😅.

{Ed025's Note - your right robbo its not really a klopp issue, its a liverpool one, the saints are struggling to stay afloat as are a lot of teams and the big boys take advantage of that....when i was at school (many many years ago) it was called bullying now its called business..

19 Jun 2019 07:03:15
I don't get it why borrowing money is a problem, this is how business works antway, of course they will do it. And it paid out, as Van Dijk is a Ballon d'or contender and we won the CL, so good loan right there.

19 Jun 2019 11:27:04
Klopp does what a lot of managers and players do, tap up their fellow countrymen while away, Madrid and Barcelona are the worse by a mile, if Saints didn't want the money they could say no and so could the player, like it or not Liverpool is a massive step up and any player with ambition would choose the move.

19 Jun 2019 20:10:00
The way I see it, whether it's Liverpool or not, these players would have probably moved elsewhere cos I don't think we were the only interested club at the time. I don't get the "bullying" thing. To blame their struggles to stay afloat in the league on Liverpool is a little misplaced for me. But, what do I know?