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20 May 2024 19:03:50
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20 May 2024 13:15:47
Ed001, do you think Harvey can be a permanent in our first 11, or an excellent squad guy? I think next year is important with Ed002 mentioning the club are worried about Mac Allister leaving in 2025.

{Ed001's Note - I expect Harvey to step up and become a first team fixture. Not sure why Macca leaving would be a worry when Trent can do what he does but better.}

20 May 2024 16:46:44
Macca has been player of the season for me. I’d hate for him to leave.

20 May 2024 15:45:52
Thanks Ed. Who would your preferred midfield be moving forward? I just pray Trent is finally moved in there. I think that would take us to the next level.

{Ed001's Note - Trent and Endo/Bajcetic if it is the way Slot played at Feyenoord with a double pivot. Macca ahead of them.}

20 May 2024 16:32:54
Completely disagree with eds post. Macallister is a massive player for us and trent is nowhere near what mac is as a midfielder.

{Ed001's Note - Macca had a good few weeks but was god awful for large parts of the season, so not sure how he can be 'massive' compared to Trent. You have no idea what Trent is like as a midfielder to suggest he is nowhere near Macca.}

20 May 2024 17:13:57
I love Macca I think he’s a world class midfielder.

Trent’s a great wing back.

20 May 2024 17:25:43
Hate to say it because he tries hard but Harvey shouldn’t be near the first 11 if we want to win league/ champs. He’s a squad player at best - as much as he develops he will never have the speed or physicality to be truly world class. He also doesn’t have the skill etc of someone like Silva to make up for it.

Macca is our best midfielder - was only bad when played as a 6. Irreplaceable imo but 100% would give Trent the 8 role and buy a destroyer to compete with Baj. Midfield then sorted just need a CB, RW and CF to challenge on all fronts.

20 May 2024 17:36:56
That's the point. He's not a midfielder so to suggest he'd be better at macca in a position he's completely unfamiliar with is nuts (respectfully ed) . It's been over complicated with trent. We have a terrific attacking right back, it's quite simple. Let him flourish and get him to keep improving especially defensively and we'll have an all time great right back. Move him to midfield and when the opposition have the ball it'll be like having 1 less midfielder. Trents flaws would be badly exposed in midfield. Macallister was brilliant when he hit form. Sobosli has been far worse for a lot longer. There was a lot of matches this season where a lot of players were poor but we got the result. It'll be interesting under slot how we play and hopefully improve.

20 May 2024 18:20:42
As long as Trent doesn’t play at right back anymore unless we are playing 3 CB’s with wingbacks, I’ll be happy. That has to be the first priority. Second priority is not playing Macca as a 6. I can live with pretty much everything else, even no signings if those 2 things leave with Klopp.

20 May 2024 18:41:36
Elliott is 21 years old and finished the season with 4 goals and 11 assists. Incredibly harsh to suggest he is only ever going to be a squad player. I think he had arguably just made himself first choice, so the end of the season has come at the worst time for him. It felt like every time he went on the pitch the last 6-8 weeks he’d either score or create a goal.

20 May 2024 18:23:47
I would say that Harvey and Trent are the most creative players we have and both should be playing week in week out.

20 May 2024 18:34:52
Normally agree with you Ed01 but you are being pretty unfair on MacAllister.

{Ed001's Note - why? I like him but he was extremely poor in the first half of the season. He has not yet made himself massive for the club, though he has earnt a starting spot.}

20 May 2024 18:55:40
My thoughts. Elliot looks like a number 10 to me playing out of position. Until he’s used there we will never try Ely know how good he is

Trent is a generational talent with an amazing passing range who at any minute can down tools on the entire season and walk around without a care in the world.

20 May 2024 19:11:48
Elliott will be pivotal for Slot in my opinion as Slot’s teams seem to use quick 1-2’s to break through the lines and Elliott is a very technical player.

I think he’s going to start a lot of games.

20 May 2024 19:14:21
Agree with NicolBecker. Elliott and Trent have exceptional delivery into the box. Macca can thread an eye of the needle pass or dink a cheeky one over the top, but Trent and Elliott have that whipped pass/ cross in the locker that puts defenders under the kind of pressure they hate. All 3 should start in my opinion. Don’t care where or how, that’s for Slot to figure out. The more playmakers the better.

Have to mention Salah and Nunez though by the way. They just seem to create a multitude of goals without even looking creative, and sometimes actually seeming greedy. But they rack up the numbers in the assist column so they’re doing something right. Salah’s outside of the boot pass/ cross is lethal and Nunez just seems to pick people out somehow!

20 May 2024 19:16:40
MIZER I get what your saying, and there are lots that agree with you but I'm with Ed on this one. If Trent is that bad at defending, then surely he shouldn't be in defensive line. Id be all for him being in the double pivot and pushing forward in possession and dropping back when defending. Doubt it will happen though as unfortunately Slot likes his inverted fullbacks apparently, which I think is a real shame and massive mistake to continue with that system. Really hope it doesn't happen.

20 May 2024 19:42:04
Trent isn't bad at defending as that is a myth. What he has issues with is being aggressive in moments which makes it look like he cannot defending. Whenever he has had to defend and is switched on fully, he is very good and besides, Klopp did not ask Trent to be a stalwart defensively cos well, that has never been his game cos he is a no. 8/ 10, fro heaven's sake. Why we talk about him like actual defensive FB's is beyond me but whatever.

As for the Macca and Trent debate, we all know DM was not Macca's role so I disagree with Ed01 here. We all saw what the guy was abojut after Hendo got up to speed and he clearly got better. Is he massive? Nope, he is not. At leaset, not yet. I agree with Ed01 there.

For me whether Trent can play in midfield, we will STILL have to see the evidence on the pitch. The proof will be in the pudding at that point.

20 May 2024 19:13:40
Ed 001, where do you see Szobo fitting in?

{Ed001's Note - if Slot is playing the system he used at Feyenoord, I expect him to play as one of the two behind the main forward. That is a position he has played frequently in the past, for club and country.}

20 May 2024 19:59:33
Ed01 - I just disagree that he was poor, he had some poor games but not a poor half of the season.

{Ed001's Note - until Endo nailed down the place, he was awful in the deeper role. I think you are forgetting just how bad he was.}

20 May 2024 20:10:33
I thought Mac had a very good season at a new club and he was asked to be played out of position for a large part of it which he did with no fuss.

Over the course of this season he recorded twice the most tackles by a LFC player In a premier league game with 8 v Chelsea and 9 v Bournemouth over the last 3 seasons.

He also finished the season with 7 goals and 7 assists which is pretty impressive as he played half the season as Dm.

I’m not sure how many of our midfielders over the years have hit those kind of numbers.

20 May 2024 13:21:46
I would not be surprised to see us use natural CB's at full back next season under Slot. Arsenal do with White/ Timber and City do with Gvardiol/ Ake/ Akanji. Even Walker is very happy to sit back and actually played in a back 3 for England for several years due to his unadventurous style. I've often said on here that it is the key difference why it works for them and not us.

When a defender steps out to give you the numerical advantage in the midfield it leaves you short/ narrow at the back and City and Arsenal both get around this lack of defensive width by having more defensively solid (or just less adventurous) players in at least one of the full back positions, allowing them to seamlessly morph into a back 3 at times but also let especially Gvadriol or White push on as well in the right moments.

I'd not be at all surprised to see players like Konate, Quansah, Sepp VdB if he returns, Gomez if he stays, Pacho if he signs etc starting at right/ left back. I just don't think you can have Trent moving into midfield AND Robertson bombing on past Diaz every time. It left Virgil and Matip/ Konate far too much to do as they were having to try and get across to cover right back whilst also hoping Robbo could track back quicker than their winger could break forward (which he's been struggling with more and more as he ages) .

The year we won the league with Trent and Robbo both bombing on we had Virgil and Gomez both pre-knee-injury and they were absolute speed demons who could cover the whole width of the pitch very well even if Trent and Robbo were slow to track back. At times you could even leave them 2 vs 3 and Virgil was good enough to make it work. However Trent also going high and wide pushed back their wingers on both sides so Gomez and Virgil had more protection as long as Robbo and Trent followed their wingers back. Trent going into midfield doesn't drag the winger back with him, so poor Konate/ Matip have been having to stand up left wingers on the regular and try and the defend the middle of the pitch also.

I think using CB's at full back more often is the next step in the evolution of our team if Slot wants to bring his inverted full back style over with him. Time may totally prove me wrong, but it's where I personally see the gap in the system as we have deployed it.

20 May 2024 14:12:25
Whilst I don;t completely disagree I do think that it far more complicated than that.

At our peak, Trent and Robbo pretty much played as wingers leaving our 2 CB as the only defenders and we had a fantastic defensive record. This wasn't just down to their pace, there were several other factors:

1. We kept the ball far better. We didn't give up possession easily like we do now with slow play and sloppy passes.
2. When we did give the ball away we had the best front 3 in the world at winning back possession with the high press. Very often when we lost possession we immediately won it back without the opposition having the chance to attack.
3. All of our midfielders were ball winning midfielders. If they got past the front 3 the midfield would often win back the ball. Our current midfield lack this in abundance.
4. We had peak Fabinho who could offer unrivalled protection to our defence or drop into defence to make a back 3.

I would love to see a return to this kind of football so for me I would love to see a world class DM brought in (if there are any out there? ) and see Trent and Robbo go back to being full on wing backs. I also think it would see Nunez thrive with balls crossed into the box rather than trying to play intricate passes through 2 narrow banks of 4 that the opposition have put on the edge of their box.

20 May 2024 14:12:57
Sounds like something we were trying to implement anyway given we were linked to Colwill, Inacio, Theate or Hincapie - all LCBs adept at playing LB - last summer.

We even had Robbo shuffling inside at the start of the season to make a back three which seems to be working ok until his injury. Then Tsimikas and Gomez were playing that way while Robbo was out.

Honestly, I don't know what to think of it. Current Premier League coaches are obsessed with this press-baiting/ foot-on-ball tedium and I feel like attacking football is suffering as a result. We are fawning over defenders than can step into midfield and make progressive passes and whining about the output of our forwards. We are a team and fanbase that thrives on energy and momentum and this style of football dampens that.

20 May 2024 14:27:55
MK amazingly we had 3 Centre backs playing on quite a few occasions this season in Gomez at full back.

But more often than not he was the one chosen to invert rather than defend.

20 May 2024 14:33:19
Either that or we by a top class DM and ask him to provide better protection for our defense. Endo been a great stop gap but we need a better player in there if we are going to carrying on playing with attacking full backs.

20 May 2024 15:42:55
Don't see the problem with Endo. he done really well. even if we buy a top class DM . he can't play every game . n Endo is suited there more than any other player we've got.

20 May 2024 17:49:25
In my eyes when we played really well with klops 1st team, fabinio dropped in pretty much between our centre backs spreading the defensive load while Trent and robbo broke assist records.

20 May 2024 18:45:34
All good points in the replies. Either way seems like we all agree we found a balance between attack and defence in our old system and I think we can all agree we haven’t really had that same balance for a while and especially since Trent’s been inverting. Slot might decide to go a different way, but if he does stick to an inverted full back, how we rediscover that balance will be the key.

20 May 2024 19:25:03
Fully agree with your oh post MK. I don't like this inverted fullbacks system but if we are going with it we need to get rid of our traditional fullbacks and bring in adaptable multi positional players that fit the system like City i. e one out and out defender that is a rock (Dias) one CB that steps into midfield (Stones) and two adaptable defenders that can play fullback and CB on either side like Akanji and Ake. Much prefer that system to our inverted full back one and I actually think we already have the players to do it. VVD is the rock, Bajcetic could be the CB that steps into midfield as he has always been a CB at youth level and broke through as a DM. Gomez and Sepp VDB can play the wider roles then move Trent into a double midfield pivot. That's what I'd do anyway but hey what do I know. Excited to find out!
Sign me up when Slot gets sacked Henry!

20 May 2024 19:49:40
"Trent going into midfield doesn't drag the winger back with him, so poor Konate/ Matip have been having to stand up left wingers on the regular and try and the defend the middle of the pitch also. "


MKS, this was the first problem I saw with the inverted situation and that was when we played Spurs where Jota scored the winning goal. I could not believe the gaps we were leaving behind and I was asking myslef, "Is anyone else seeing these probs. or is it just me? ". Well, thankfully it wasn't cos many on here (including Ed01) have said the same thing (s) and do not like this system.

That being said, a guy like Sepp (or his profile) is the best guy here (as Ed01 proposed) cos he is capable of playing RB and RCB and wingback hence, he can defend out wide in space as a CB or RB. Now sill he start? I don't think so and frankly, I don't see him being kept BUT to me, that is the type of profile we should be looking at in the CB position cos Slot will invert, whether I like it or not.