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19 Jun 2018 20:45:13
3 Charity game videos are on youtube. Search Matt Hawker Cup.

benny baller

1.) 19 Jun 2018 23:12:44
Thank you Benny.

2.) 20 Jun 2018 00:19:14
Great occasion, great game, awesome kits and the cameramen were at worst, brilliant! Hope you double your ambitions. Well done to All of you!

3.) 20 Jun 2018 08:48:53
mk scouser isn't a scouser? bizarre username.

4.) 20 Jun 2018 08:58:44
im sure you are not a bamboo.

5.) 20 Jun 2018 10:47:37
Pretty sure it is a reference to being an adopted scouser for having supported Liverpool probably most his life. Not that it matters.

6.) 20 Jun 2018 11:13:21
Nailed It, Adam.

7.) 20 Jun 2018 13:18:46
Is it too late to sign up for the next game?

8.) 20 Jun 2018 23:50:05
Also MK for Milton Keynes after moving a few years back if I remember correctly.

9.) 20 Jun 2018 10:47:37
Pretty sure it is a reference to being an adopted scouser for having supported Liverpool probably most his life. Not that it matters.



18 Jun 2018 11:24:45
Ed001/ 002. Clear your diaries for June 15th 2019 if you can? We will see if we can hold on to OUR cup.

Ps, highlights will be on YouTube tonight.

benny baller

{Ed001's Note - it was a fluke you got it!}

1.) 18 Jun 2018 16:38:38
Guys appologies for the drop out things still not sorted but life goes on.

Any chance of securing a stadium for the day and perhaps a tournament on there?

2.) 18 Jun 2018 17:12:22
Hi can we have highlights of the event?

3.) 18 Jun 2018 17:55:14
Stg Ken’s speech and captains hairdryer on Mahfuz were the absolute highlights of the day mate, closely followed by his swan lake dive on the edge of the box. He is the nicest Man Utd fan in the world mate, unless of course he has made good on his promise to burn the official Liverpool Mo Salah Egyptian King crown 👑 we gave him, in which case he’s a stereotypical manc after all 😵.

4.) 18 Jun 2018 20:26:01
what is the match called on YouTube? Ps well done around lads.

{Ed033's Note - Benny Baller hasn't uploaded it yet



01 Jun 2018 09:07:09
Two weeks and a day till the biggest game of the season. The football-rumours charity game.
8 months of prep comes down to this 😋
Firstly, I would like to thank the editors for their support and help in getting this set up.
Secondly, their are 3 spots left, so if you'd like to play the game, based in north Oxfordshire on the 16th, give me a text : call on 07719565417 for more details.
The opportunity to be in a 50/ 50 with MK Scouser is too good a chance to miss surely?
If you can't attend but want to watch the match, we have you covered, the game will be streamed live on the football-rumours Facebook page, so get following today guys.
Fingers crossed Ed002 is in the country and can attend 🤞🏼.

benny baller

{Ed002's Note - The kit is being shipped to you today Benny - I will be away from the UK at that poing but I can get back in I will.}

1.) 01 Jun 2018 10:58:05
Brilliant stuff, sorry I can't be there but will be watching. Have fun guys 😎.

2.) 01 Jun 2018 11:00:39
Best of luck with it all Benny and everyone involved, I would offer to play but my feet are like 20p's (my first touch really could go anywhere) to the point where my own team would be trying to leave one on me out of frustration! Plus i would be out of breath just putting the kit on.

3.) 01 Jun 2018 11:05:27
Brilliant. I’m slightly worried we are going to have 11 shirts with your face spread across the front.
I know it’s a slim chance of you being there, but if you did, as a thanks to everyone making the effort to play and travel, do you think we could have a live Q&A where each player gets to ask you one question after the game😇 obviously there will be ground rules, I. e no talk of work, no camera phones and obviously no #wonderdogsparkyout banners.
I’d assume with your schedule you’d have to shoot off after, but you don’t get if you don’t ask.

{Ed002's Note - As long as they are kept in cages. I will try.}

4.) 01 Jun 2018 11:27:43
Best of luck lads would love to be around for it.

What's the rumours Facebook page? Can never find it, although to be honest prefer looking at the site anyways but would like to see some of this match.

5.) 01 Jun 2018 15:47:14
This is so great. Really want to come but not certain on travel arrangements and getting there etc. Would love to play if I could.
With the Facebook page, does anyone have the link or exact wording for the page. When I search it, I get Liverpool FC latest/ transfer news but I am not sure if that is it and the other pages are out of date?

6.) 01 Jun 2018 15:52:43
I wish I could come and support you guys but my circumstances will not permit this time.
If I have a few quid spare I will try to donate a small sum.
I really hope I will be able to participate next year.
Me and Harry in the same team please.

7.) 01 Jun 2018 16:01:12

8.) 01 Jun 2018 17:01:38
Just realised I'm only an hour or so away but I will be in lanzerote when the games on, would have been a good craic. Hope you have a great day.

9.) 01 Jun 2018 18:11:32

Ed002: read the F. posts 😄.

10.) 01 Jun 2018 18:32:31
The link Benny showed for the Facebook link appears to be incorrect. I tried it as want to watch the game next week but says no link found.

11.) 01 Jun 2018 19:13:29
Thanks for the link. Worked fine search that in the search bar Walter and it’s the first. Benny baller right there so you know it’s theres.

With the match. I might try and make it but it will be super late notice. Don’t hold anything for me but I may be a late introduction :)

12.) 01 Jun 2018 19:54:19
Imagine that Ron 😂.

13.) 02 Jun 2018 08:16:32
The link is working now.



22 May 2018 13:06:36

There are a few spots left for the Site Posters charity match next month.

As I want full squads and we are getting close to the date, the match fee will be whatever you are happy to donate to SEVA foundation and Macmillan Nurses.

Details are as follows:
16th June, 3pm KO
Wroxton Sports Club
Horley Road, Wroxton, Oxon OX15 6PY
There are cheap local hotels, and as some of the lads have already mentioned, plenty of beer joints!

I am in the process of adding all current participants to a whatsapp group. So I will put my back up phone number here, god forbid I put my usual number :)
Whatsapp / text me asap, if you can attend and play.

The game will streamed live on the football rumours facebook page.

If any one reading this wants to donate to the above charities, there is a football rumours just giving donate page.

benny baller

{Ed002's Note - Benny, let me know what is needed from me.}

1.) 22 May 2018 14:55:23
This is brilliant and a great cause, really gutted I can't make it (my brother is home from foreign lands for first time in almost 3 years) .

To put faces to names on here would have been great (even those I don't agree with on much lol) - lads, I really hope you all have a great day at this!

2.) 22 May 2018 15:38:21
I wanted to donate but I m too scared of privacy and details o my card etc I m no from UK is their any safe method of donations.

3.) 22 May 2018 15:41:03
This is such a great idea. I hope there will be some photos or videos of the match!

4.) 22 May 2018 16:02:51
Adam it will be live streamed on the football rumours Facebook mate.

5.) 22 May 2018 15:36:39
Why don’t you an your brother play Irish :)
Ed if you’re still happy to supply your teams kit, that would be class. If not i have an old blue kit from when I ran my clubs. Entirely up to you, you have my email x.

{Ed002's Note - I am happy to buy a kit for the team, let me know where you want me to ship it to. Also, I assume large or extra large. Let me know. What colour are the other side wearing? Thanks Benny. If I am in England I will try and come along.}

6.) 22 May 2018 18:03:37
Okay Ed002 thanks a lot. I have emailed your PA my address. The other team are in red, so a blue kit would be nice. As for sizes I’d say 10 large 4 XL should cover all our beautiful figures. I’m hoping this becomes a yearly cup so will use the same kits each year. Some of the boys may get stage fright if you attend, hopefully you don’t give us the hairdryer treatment at half time 🙈.

{Ed002's Note - Leave it with me Benny. Obviously if they are Liverpool fans playing they will need the extra long knuckle-dragger sleeves - I will get the ones with the hump on the back. I will speak to Coral in a few days when I get back to England and she will get it in hand right away. I will also get something that does not clash with the red. So may plan for electric cerise is probably down the pan. Really appreciate your efforts and will see if I can maybe fly back for this.}

7.) 22 May 2018 19:57:36

I’m available to play 😃
I live in Oxfordshire.

8.) 22 May 2018 20:25:14
Why don’t Liverpool rumours buy 2 kits. Get go fund page and make it an annual thing. Each year get all players/ contributors to sign their name and something they can all look back on in how ever many years.

I know some spots left but if you are going do it Benny do it properly and leave a legacy pal.

9.) 22 May 2018 19:50:14
Hump back, knuckle draggers, love it. Good to know your acerbic wit has not deserted you. Never reign it in or tone it down ED2. If you wind up a few bigots on the way, all the better.

10.) 22 May 2018 20:46:46
Hey Taffy. I do take a little offence to the doing it properly comment 😂

1. It is going to be an annual thing. We have two new kits, kindly bought by Ed002 and Ken.
2. Up till a month a go I had Dermot Gallagher refereeing ( he’s now on Hol, but I’ve emailed another efl referee )
3. We have named it the Matt Hawker cup, a legacy to Ed001s best mate who died from leukaemia.
4. We have a lovely little venue
5. It’s being live streamed on Facebook
6. We should have raised a thousand pounds for the charities
7. We will all be wearing black arm bands in honour of grumpy from the Everton page.
And finally we have people flying in from abroad to play in this game, with the possibility of meeting THE ed 002.
I don’t know to do it any more properly lol.

Liver1980 that’s brilliant. Please can you text me on the number above when you’ve read this.

11.) 22 May 2018 21:58:05
Benny your efforts are appropriated. Stellar job mate and for a fantastic cause.

12.) 22 May 2018 21:38:26
Could somebody post a link to the Facebook page please? I’ve search football transfer rumours, and as expected, hundreds of search results appeared.

13.) 22 May 2018 22:42:53
Hi Benny, I can play if needed, let me know what I need to do! Cheers.

14.) 22 May 2018 22:44:26
What a guy you are Benny and what a gesture from Ed2, your a legend mate. I wish I could attend such an event but life is far too busy these days, hope everybody involved has a great time.

15.) 22 May 2018 22:49:45
Wit: if you look at the banter page, an identical post is there where you can click the links. It may be on page 2 but I think it’s still main page.
John: text me mate.
Salah + navy. Thanks :) let’s hope it all goes smoothly!

16.) 22 May 2018 22:51:43
Should have used the search engine haha, emailed you benny and texted, cheers.

17.) 23 May 2018 10:10:23
Benny, get me a medium kit if you can 😂 I'm 5ft8. A large will drown me 👀.

18.) 23 May 2018 08:51:01
Long time watcher of the site but only an occasional poster. Really applaud what you are doing and would gladly make a donation. My football days are long gone but I always like a good cause that has some effort behind it.
Is there a Just Giving page link or something similar?

{Ed033's Note - Yes, football rumours just giving

19.) 23 May 2018 14:55:13
I only live 3 miles from Wroxton. May well come down and give you guys some support but I've not played in years so I'll leave that to the rest of you. Good job in sorting all this by the way, Benny.

20.) 23 May 2018 19:06:20

Would love to get involved with this.
Don’t live too far away so if you are still looking for anyone to get involved then let me know!


{Ed025's Note - just text benny on the number above morro..

21.) 23 May 2018 21:07:50
Awesome cheers Ed’s. Messaged you Benny!

22.) 24 May 2018 07:51:14
Gutted to be missing this, flying in from Asia just a bridge too far. Hopefully one of these days it coincides with a business/ holiday trip back home.

One request, can you record the game somewhere so we can watch back? Oh, and at the start can we do a team lineup with each persons site names so we can put a face to Ed’s, Benny, MK, Waro etc. would be fascinating I’m sure.

Finally, make sure if Ed02 turns up, can we arrange for a throne to watch the match and make sure he/ she is suitably dressed in androgynous clothing and wearing a stig helmet. We don’t want to destroy the mystique.

23.) 25 May 2018 16:24:03
Benny I see there's 11 days to go and 30% of the target has been reached, please remind me a couple of days before the date and I'll try to make up whatever else is needed to reach the target.

24.) 25 May 2018 16:24:03
Benny I see there's 11 days to go and 30% of the target has been reached, please remind me a couple of days before the date and I'll try to make up whatever else is needed to reach the target.

{Ed002's Note - My PA tells me the hit has been ordered.}



30 Apr 2018 10:30:51
Gerrard to become Klopp assistant.

benny baller

1.) 30 Apr 2018 11:04:27
It wouldn't surprise me in the least, I think he'd much prefer to be assistant to Klopp then going and managing Rangers or one would've thought so anyway? A lot going on at the moment.

2.) 30 Apr 2018 11:20:16
It would utterly baffle me if SG were to be made assistant given that Buvac has not left as an employee at the club.

3.) 30 Apr 2018 12:30:49
He hasn't done anything to warrant such a job, not even close.

4.) 30 Apr 2018 12:32:12
Hey Benny, I said this first 😡.

5.) 30 Apr 2018 12:42:56
Anyone for bringing pako back!

6.) 30 Apr 2018 12:46:24
Is Liverpool FC some sort of pantomime it always happens too us crazy drama before big games, coutihno before champs league qualifiers and premium start, now buvac before massive week, and pako wid Rafa, come on lads sort it out will ya's.

7.) 30 Apr 2018 13:38:05
From, by his own admission, gradually learning his trade with the Liverpool youngsters, to second-in-command at LFC / Rangers manager?
Neither, for me.
He should just carry on where he is, perhaps with the occasional input to the first team, and learn from Klopp and the staff at the club.

I can't believe that Rangers would ask him, they're too big for that.
Or that Gerrard would accept, it's a mammoth job, with trouble written all over it.

8.) 30 Apr 2018 14:03:25
Club legend SG maybe but tactician?

9.) 30 Apr 2018 15:19:26
Why do people keep over exaggerating the position rangers are in as a club? They are nowhere near title challengers, just look at how many points they are behind yet again. It’s going to take a number of years for them to close that gap, through good player recruitment and development of a squad which can compete with Celtic’s far superior squad. Surely rangers fans are not all so caught up in their past glory’s not to miss these facts? Yes Gerrard has no 1st team experience, but why not go manage in a league where there is almost no competition, where he can only really make things better for the club? Rodgers has revived his reputation up there (now linked with the Arsenal job) .

10.) 30 Apr 2018 17:17:09
There’s no chance he’s getting the assistant job and rightly so. Why do people think cos he played for us for years he should become assistant boss? . completely baffling what experience does he have for the role absolutely none at all.

Let’s stop the silly ideas he’s going to be liverpool manager one day, never going to happen.




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06 Dec 2018 01:17:47
To answer something reds question. Firstly, I'd like to say, another shocker from the lineman who should of ruled out the goal.

What a save from Alisson to keep it out at that point.

But, your question " What is the rule about kicking the ball out of the keepers hands? Is it just that he's safe with "two hands" on it regardless of whether the ball is on the deck or not? Or does he have to be holding it with two hands off the ground? "

Law 12; fouls and misconduct, section 2.

A goalkeeper is considered to be in control of the ball when:

the ball is between the hands or between the hand and any surface (e. g. ground, own body) or by touching it with any part of the hands
or arms (except if the ball rebounds from the goalkeeper or the goalkeeper has made a save)
holding the ball in the outstretched open hand
bouncing it on the ground or throwing it in the air
A goalkeeper cannot be challenged by an opponent when in control of the ball with the hands.

In summary, long gone has been the "two hands on the ball " argument. Goalkeepers are actually very well protected now, and so they should be after the Petr Cech injury.

Alisson had two hands, and it was on the ground. He could of had one hand, either way, it's a foul. And this is under indirect free kicks, because in theory there is no contact with the keeper, but only the ball.

Also believe the linesman should have spotted that from his angle.
Really makes me wonder how a blatant offside and dispossession of a keeper in control of the ball, got past him. Makes you wonder eh.

benny baller

1.) 06 Dec 2018 02:46:31

2.) 06 Dec 2018 07:54:03
I kmow that's the objective ruling benny, but it just looked like play on to me. And most of the time i'm going to guess the refs make instant subjective judgements aboit these kinds of things all the time.

3.) 06 Dec 2018 10:37:05
You say objective ruling faith, but we, as referees, are there to implement the rules. It is our game and we are in control, not objectively. It’s poor from the supposedly best officials in the world, week in week out.

4.) 06 Dec 2018 13:14:22
I watched the highlights only and to me it appeared Allison actually knocked the ball away with his left hand whilst trying to get both on it. Seemed he had hold of it with his right at first.

5.) 06 Dec 2018 13:15:15
It may have been offside but it wasn’t a foul for me. The Burnley player had every right to go for that ball, I’d hate to see football become a non contact sport.

6.) 07 Dec 2018 07:38:34
Benny, its impossoble for refs to remove subjectivity. Ya'll are still himan after all. Even ex refs turnes pundits say things "not enough contact to be a pen for me". could get multiple refs look at that. Am sure all of them would tell ya the law and then a mix would rule it differently depending on how they viewed it then applied the law.



28 Nov 2018 11:19:10
I was a massive fan of Riise. But at the age of 27, am I witnessing Liverpool's best left back of my time?
Who would you rate as our top left backs since 91?
Aurelio/ Flanagan ( for the 13/ 14 season, he was a beast )

benny baller

1.) 28 Nov 2018 12:21:09
easily robbo but I can't lie I did love stig as well.

2.) 28 Nov 2018 12:39:42
Riise will always be my favourite left back, but I agree that Robbo is probably a better player overall. Riise's left peg though, a beast.

3.) 28 Nov 2018 13:47:49
Robbo is up there but I must choose Riise. Ask me in a year that may well change because Robbo is proving to be excellent.

4.) 28 Nov 2018 14:11:47
Ronnie Moran is Liverpool’s greatest left back, not because of his footballing abilities, but for the 46 years he put in at the club

True legend.

{Ed001's Note - I am surprised people rate Riise so highly, he was not a particularly good left back and an awful left midfielder.}

5.) 28 Nov 2018 14:25:29
Aurelio when fit was the best left back I've seen play for Liverpool. What a wand of a left foot he had!

6.) 28 Nov 2018 14:30:00
Aurelio for me was by far the best left back but clearly hardly ever fit. Riise was ok for me, not great.

7.) 28 Nov 2018 14:41:18
I agree ed - Risse was never quite good enough.

8.) 28 Nov 2018 14:46:21
I think he’s just one of those iconic cult heroes Ed001, probably for his left foot alone. I find it hard to answer this question because i can barely remember Riise in his prime, only the odd game of Aurelio and then the rest of my time has been the likes of Insua, Dossena, Enrique and Moreno. From my perspective the better question would be who has been the most hopless left back in my time!

{Ed001's Note - he scored some good goals that seems to have clouded the judgement of some.}

9.) 28 Nov 2018 15:26:51
I think for a lot of us Ed001, given we had some left back problems for a very long time after Riise appeared to be very good. Very happy the days of Dossena and Konchesky have come to an end.

On a seperate note what did you think of Emiliano Insua? If i recall correctly he started quite well but then it all went a bit pear shaped.

{Ed001's Note - he had discipline problems off the pitch, in particular with his eating habits as he had a love of fast food and ate huge amounts of it. It made him overweight and sluggish all the time. Shame as he had a genuine natural talent.}

10.) 28 Nov 2018 15:39:11
Remember thinking Insua was going to be a big talent, always wondered what went wrong.

{Ed001's Note - unfortunately the club did not take care of him away from the pitch in the way it is doing with players now. We were so far behind the times in that regard back then.}

11.) 28 Nov 2018 15:59:41
Paul Koncheskey. hands down the best I've seen 😉.

12.) 28 Nov 2018 16:01:36
I think kennedy was the best I have seen then a close second would be staunton. Burrow wasn't bad but Riise he wasn't very good at defending was always trying to get forward as much as possible. Robbie is the best I have seen in the last 10/ 15 years.

13.) 28 Nov 2018 16:06:57
Depends on what is meant by best! The best natural LB iv seen in my lifetime at LFC is Aurelio. That fella had real talent and was good in defence as well. However the most 'effective' in terms of keeping conceded goals down for me was when Carragher was playing left back when we had Henchoz and Hyypia in the middle and before Rafa moved him into the centre. We havnt had many good LB's in the last 20 years!

14.) 28 Nov 2018 17:24:21
AS much as I love Robbo and he’s work rate I would love to see him block a cross. He’s great going forward but I would love to see him work on the defending simple crosses.
Riise for me best left back. What a leg peg he had.

15.) 28 Nov 2018 17:32:27
I love Riise's left peg and Robbo's tenacity but Aurelio was on a different level. He was so technically gifted and a very intelligent player. It's shame he was so injury prone and never really got going for us.

I remember him being compared to Roberto Carlos. And who can forget that glorious free kick against United. Van der Sar was rooted to the spot.

16.) 28 Nov 2018 17:33:31
Everyone’s forgetting that Gomez played left back for a time.

17.) 28 Nov 2018 17:35:46
I would say that Riise was a fairly average left back and left midfielder but he did score some fantastic goals. For me the best left back I can remember is Aurelio, unfortunately injuries meant we never consistently saw the best of him. Robertson has the potential to surpass Aurelio over the next few years.

18.) 28 Nov 2018 17:43:38
Jesus wept i forgot about Konchesky. Have to feel sorry for some players, never going to be good enough and are always going to accept the chance to play for a club like liverpool, they only join to become the whipping boys of the hopeless managers that sign then.

19.) 28 Nov 2018 18:06:19
How about Milner? Had a really good season at left back.

That being said I’d have to go with Jim Beglin in my lifetime.

20.) 28 Nov 2018 18:38:26
Id say Aurelio or Christian Ziege.

21.) 28 Nov 2018 18:41:56
Riise must've spent too much time in the weights room, imo. He was never of slight build, but by around 2003/ 2004ish he looked quite a bit heftier than when he arrived. Made him kinda slow over short distances, I remember Pennant breezing past him repeatedly for Leeds the season before we bought him.

I'd agree that the best left back we've had in the Premier League era was Aurelio. Not overly spectacular in terms of pace or ground covering, but a great passer and an intelligent player with his positioning and use of the ball. Shame about injuries. Robbo's not far off that and if he keeps going the way he's going, I might put him ahead.

22.) 28 Nov 2018 19:23:21
Only one left back who has made a goal line clearance in a massive game; Djimi Traore.

23.) 28 Nov 2018 20:11:54
Only one left back to Cruyff turn into his own net and knock us out of the FA cup also MK! I’m surprised it took that long for Djimi to be mentioned, though. What a player.

24.) 28 Nov 2018 21:41:59
Aurelio was top quality, just made of wet paper. Such a massive shame.

{Ed025's Note - thats just a tissue of lies hsf.. :)

25.) 28 Nov 2018 23:44:29
Haha MK, I remember him scoring a back heel own goal in the cup, against Burnley was it? Also, if I remember correctly, didn't Riise break Smiths leg with a free kick? Think Ed001 summed up Robertson well, needs to fine tune his crossing and timing.

26.) 29 Nov 2018 09:41:08
Too early to determine that. I love Robbo but Risse was awesome. I think thw best left back we had im prem would be Marcus Babel ( may be he was a right back) . I am getting old.

27.) 29 Nov 2018 09:42:29
Also the only left back who has cruyff turned an own goal MK.

28.) 29 Nov 2018 23:42:21
Horse - Babel was a right back.

Finan occasionally played left back, but was predominantly a right back.
I don’t think we’ve had a great left back in the “premier league” era. Riise was not good at defending.



24 Nov 2018 22:09:11
Rumour has it, Everton have appealed Henderson's red card 😂.

benny baller

1.) 24 Nov 2018 23:02:54
I think he's stressed knowing his minutes are going to drop now that fab is settling in.

2.) 24 Nov 2018 23:40:16
Classy benny.

Pissed that he got a new contract about a week after you declared the beginning of the end for him?

3.) 25 Nov 2018 00:26:15
Called a joke SR.
Why would I be pissy about him having ands contract? He will be a fantastic, back up, player. Like he already is if you hadn’t noticed.

4.) 25 Nov 2018 08:18:32
Nice on, Benny. I caught the joke. Hendo is not a back up player and never was. He was brilliant vs Watford, IMO in the way he protected the back four very well till his brain fart. We have seen what we are like in big games when he does not play and it showed vs Arsenal where Fab had a 'mare and had Hendo played, we would have had better protection and tempo in the game. Just my opinion.

5.) 25 Nov 2018 09:14:30
Brover how do you know that would have happened if Hendo had played v Arsenal. Anyone swear we only win games if he plays. He’s played in both defeats this season so our protection and tempo wasn’t great in those games. We have quite a few match winners in our squad and for me Hendo ain’t one of them. He’s a good player but doesn’t offer more than Wijnaldum and Milner but gets 10 times the plaudits for some reason.



04 Nov 2018 17:49:48
Oh man. I already miss the days of when Harry was missing.
And fillet weld? As a steel fabricator / welder I cannot help but be offended.

benny baller

{Ed025's Note - dont be so easily upset a bit of steel man and dont be easily lead..

1.) 04 Nov 2018 18:15:53
Sorry to disagree Benny. My one source of laughter is back! 😁 (just kidding, Harry) .

2.) 04 Nov 2018 18:22:20
He just grinds on me. He tries to create sparks for no reason.

{Ed025's Note - love it benny..

3.) 04 Nov 2018 18:58:05
What’s wrong with Fillet weld! Welding is an art. The one that joints two parts! I Joint people and their opinions across. 😎😎.

{Ed025's Note - love it harry..

4.) 04 Nov 2018 19:10:10
You’re right Harry. You join all of us into a collective groan when reading your posts :)

5.) 04 Nov 2018 19:18:30
I heard fillet weld has a small rod. Just a rumour.

6.) 04 Nov 2018 19:23:21
You might be in a better mood if you tried smoking a joint.

{Ed025's Note - smoking weed creates paranoia mate, i think thats the last thing harry needs..

7.) 04 Nov 2018 19:25:17
Which is still better than usual excuses Benny! Imagine if Newton was on this page lol, he wouldn’t have thought it differently to the Apple 😂😂.



03 Nov 2018 22:47:36
I once got an offside decision wrong. This season in fact. The pass was played first time, and the runner seemed to come from very deep. I hesitated and kept my flag down. I felt I did the right decision, but 40% of me felt he could of been offside. They scored and both my assessors after the game told me he was offside, by about 4 yards. I say this because I don't mind admitting i got it wrong, and I say this because I'd love the premier league officials to have a platform to say their thoughts. That said, I don't think even today's linesman knew what he was flagging. He was too far behind play, and purely guessed, from the wrong angle. Never mind, on to the next game.

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1.) 03 Nov 2018 23:57:49
I think you are right Benny. He guessed. Refs do make mistakes. I would be less gutted if he was in line but judged that Mane was offside - cause it happened so fast and it would have been a close call. But being so far behind play and being in no position to make the call, he guessed.

2.) 04 Nov 2018 00:09:48
only just saw thie highlights so have no feel for the game at all. but was just wondering about that vin dijk header at the end of the first half mate - it looks like Leno cleans him out, what does the ref consider when looking at aerial duels in the box? oh and also I should say I haven't read forums or been online much so have no idea if this is a controversy or not. just a wondering!

3.) 04 Nov 2018 01:10:24
I wondered if the lino even knew the offside rule, it looked a lot like he was calling mane offside because he was off from the initial cross, I don’t see how he gets the call from the second phase wrong.

4.) 04 Nov 2018 01:10:58
Honestly, in the letter of the law I’d given both penalties. Allison on miki and vvd. But it’s just become one of those things not to give. As it would cause more fuss to give, than not.

{Ed001's Note - I agree with you, both should have been penalties. They looked clear cut, neither keeper got anywhere near the ball and just whacked into the players, has to be a pen. And the Mane goal should have stood. I wanted to ask you about Kolasinac, every time he made a challenge he used his arms, either a very deliberate two handed shove in the back of his opponent or to pull them. Is that not a foul? If so why did he get free kicks on a couple of occasions after clearly deliberately pulling down a Liverpool player? I remember when we gave away a pen against Everton for a 'shove' when everyone said it was defo a pen as two hands were placed on the Everton player's back, even though to me it was a clear dive and no force was used. Now it seems it is ok to use both hands in the back and genuinely shove at full force a player out of the way to win a header etc, so which is it?}

5.) 04 Nov 2018 02:49:03
could this be a regular thing? Ask Benny Baller about ref decisions? I would be interested in reading that. Maybe once a week we could send in questions and Benny could choose some to address, just a thought.

6.) 04 Nov 2018 03:07:36
It has to be said, that game wound me up, I'm happy with the point but not happy enough because it should've been the three, it's really done my head in, useless officials once again costing us points, some of them are just incapable of doing their job! . I'm not going to sit here and say its just against us because it's not but that should've been a win, no ifs, buts or maybe's. Still though we're still unbeaten, bring on the next game.

7.) 04 Nov 2018 04:40:02
Building on Ed001, early in the first half, Kolasinic had both hands round Salah’s waist and nothing was given. There is no conspiracy against Salah but I do think he’s been very unfortunate about not getting calls his way. Last week it was Bennett who went down after shoulder to shoulder challenges or pulling him down in the box. Yet when a powerfully build Zaha goes to ground after love taps, he wins free kicks and penalties.

I wonder how can simulation be reduced or eradicated when the referees are getting it so wrong - stay on your feet or ride a tackle, play to the whistle and you get nothing, go down easily and you might get something.

Still, the result is the consequence of the team not taking chances. It’s just annoying, as Salah pointed, that the standard of referring is so abysmal, for nearly every game.

On another note: I was watching an old game whereby Kuyt scored a late penalty to draw 1-1 with the gunners. In that match, Eboue who clearly put both hands on Lucas’ back and shoved him and hence the pen. Yet in that game, Shearer said Lucas had conned the ref. so. which is which?

{Ed001's Note - exactly mate. Though I would ignore Shearer, he flips flops about with the wind.}

8.) 04 Nov 2018 05:30:08
I think the referee felt pressure from a boisterous home crowd, was trying to 'let the game flow', and was incompetent. There were a number of fouls, pullbacks especially, that he just completely ignored - one on Robertson in the second half was particularly infuriating as it was so obvious yet the ref just allowed play to continue - I thought he was poor, plain and simple.

As for the offisde? I think the initial pass to Firmino is were Mane 'looks' offisde - of course by the letter of the law he isn't - when Firmino hits his shot he is clearly on and any competent linesman would see that. I have to say I do not think we have been getting the rub of the green with many referees for a while, at least in the league.

9.) 04 Nov 2018 08:34:31
Of course the Official got the decision wrong. Like every person on here more than likely made wrong decisions in their lives yesterday and will today and tomorrow. We are all human and not perfect. How an official is expected to keep up with pro athletes or footballs moving at 30-80 mph and make a decision at the blink of an eye and not get criticised is anyone’s guess. I did a referees course in 2009 as part of my work and at that time (Benny please correct me if I’m wrong) I qualified as a level 9 referee and had to be assessed 2-3 times to qualify me to level 5 which would allow me to officiate with no assessors. 1 adults game I did and although the assessor told me I did very well and had potential I told them I would never ref again. More than half my decisions were opinionated guess work from previously having played at a highish level and although probably being one of the fittest people on the pitch I could not keep up with play and the way I was spoken to was disgraceful and being not a small guy made me want to punch half of both teams let alone book them. Referees are not perfect but they can’t ever be it’s an impossible job. And without them there is no game.

10.) 04 Nov 2018 09:03:31
Not being a smartarse but do athletes really go 80mph?

11.) 04 Nov 2018 09:12:34
I thought it was a bad display by officials.

Both pens should have been given, I'd argue alissons was worse and after that was not given we were never going to get ours. I know it shouldn't work like that but it does.

Offside obviously wrong enough has been said.

I thought one of the worst decisions was in the 35th minute some time around there. I think ozil had it or xhaka, salah put him under pressure causing him to give it to firmino. Whoever it was simply threw themselves down and got a free at the halfway when we had a 3 on 3 break. It also greatly shifted momentum as they penned us in from said free kick for a few minutes after a spell we were on top.

I thought xhaka and ozil consistently went over easy.

Final thing I would specifically like to ask Benny as he has knowledge, the fabinho yellow card. I have a lot of sympathy for him as I used to pick up yellows all the time for catching people with elbows because I'm 6"5 and people's heads we're at my elbow. What is the specific rule or is there anything to take into account height difference in a 50/ 50 as I feel the taller person always looks as if they've done wrong and more often than not are punished as such.

Cheers all.

12.) 04 Nov 2018 09:19:05
Reddo they certainly don’t but the balls might do hence why I said footballs not footballers 👍.

13.) 04 Nov 2018 10:22:07
Read an article in the Irish Independent yesterday that the referee would suit Arsenal as he let's a lot a robust stuff go. That's how it played out to me.

{Ed002's Note - Clearly a conspiracy against Liverpool.}

14.) 04 Nov 2018 10:06:56
Oh jeez that’s a lot of stuff to try an answer aha. I’ll start with ed001. So pushing and pulling, I can’t give you a definitive answer I’m afraid as these are opinionated fouls. I can’t remember too much of what kolas was doing, as I had a poor stream so couldn’t see much in detail. What I can say is arm pulling and pushing really gets on my tits. Yes it’s a contact sport, but to impede/ alter the oppositions body and momentum, is a foul, plain as any. I think I had 3 free kicks yesterday for arm pulling. Each referee is different, and has their own tolerance level on it. I for example shout the term “protect don’t push” when we are at corners or the drop zone of a goal kick. Like I really don’t mind a “guiding” hand on the back, to stop them backing into you, it’s a natural instinct, I mean no player wants to smash heads with the person they’re challenging in the air. I blow when you extend that guiding hand, as that then becomes the push. Doesn’t really answer your question does it Ed. It’s hard to on opiniated fouls. Like the referee and his team won’t even talk of Kolasinic, they’ll be looking at the key match decision instead.

What I will say that has gone in the right direction of pulling and pushing is the new DOGSO rules. “ denying obvious goal scoring opportunity “ with a clear difference between actually attempting to play the ball, or upper body fouls in which you clearly aren’t trying to play the ball.
Say your in on goal, the last defender is chasing, pulls out a huge slide tackle, but just misses the ball and takes the player down. It’s a yellow because he tried to play the ball. Same scenario but once the defender catches the attacked and say pulls or pushes him in the back, it is now a straight red card. The new DOGSO rule has certainly cleaned up all this “last defender he’s got to go” nonsense and is a good read if you have the time.

JK. First thing mate, you don’t keep up with the ball as a linesmen. You keep with the second to last defender or the attacker in possession if beyond said defender. And yes I do expect them to keep up with top athletes, as they too should be top athletes. I could probably peg Firmino, no chance of Salah or mane unfortunately though 😂
These are the best referees in the country, selected from 28,000 referees. If you can’t keep up, or you’re incompetent, you should be replaced, I understand and sympathise with an honest mistake, but this was so bad he will be replaced or demoted to championship for a while I’d have thought. I am in the top 5% of referees in the country level wise, an also part of the FAs refereeing excellence programme. There are some very good and fit referees coming through I can assure you. The image of referees is changing, the pot bellies are on their way out from 15 years ago. Like I’m saying this because you say how they shouldn’t keep up with top atheletes, I want people to know that the FA are really getting their act together on the fitness side of officials. In fact Friday I have to run 2400metres minimum in 12 minutes, followed by 2 50m students sprints in less that 7.5 seconds, to go up another level. It will only get harder too.

Shanek, mate we are in the same boat. Fabiniho yellow was never a yellow on its own. The height difference was unfair. Like fabs arm wasn’t even above his own shoulder level, but was enough for the other guys face. I think the yellow was more for the persistent fouling, literally was a 3 min spell where he kept giving away fouls and flying in.

Sorry for the waffle. I sort of ramble when i get going x.

{Ed001's Note - I know about the DOGSO thing, but this wasn't an opinion, it was the same as the Robertson one, it was clear and obvious each time. One in particular stands out as he shoved Trent probably 5 yards just as he went to jump for a header, so Trent was miles out of the way and he had a clean jump to clear the ball. It was blatant, right in front of both linesman and referee and yet nothing was given. That is not an opinion when you can see it clear as day and the player is being shoved two handed out of the way of an oncoming ball. I know these might seem small fry, but they are taking place on the edge of the pitch, next to a slope and then advertising hoardings, it would not have taken much for a push to launch someone into those. Also, when it is a repeat offence, like you mentioned with Fabinho, it should be eventually leading to a caution. This is not a mistimed challenge, it is deliberately going out to circumvent the rules.}

15.) 04 Nov 2018 11:18:01
Benny cheers for the reply mate. I totally agree with the linesman point and you are 100% correct they only have to keep up with last defender but yesterday Bobby and Mane were way beyond the last defender and way beyond the linesman. Officials are very fit individuals and have to be mentally fit as well as physically. I’m in the military and the 2400 metre test 1.5 mile run would be a fail at 12 mins. Professional footballers would be running that sub 9 minutes easily. Great to hear from a pro ref on here though mate. And hope you make it to the summit.

16.) 04 Nov 2018 11:29:27
Totally Ed, its a form of cheating that players do.
However they are opinionated fouls. Like literally, this is what its classed as in the refereeing world. Most things in a game are opinionated fouls. Really, the only things that are, are strict letter of the laws 1-17, ball in and out of play, goal line crossing, and offsides. Things that can't be changed. As for pulling pushing, some hate it, like me, some let it go for, whatever reasons.
If you have a gripe with him not giving them, then you're more than welcome to not be appreciative of his style of refereeing. If he is not giving the clear and obvious fouls, then your gripe is with the people who select the group 1s. For the record, never have and never will rate Andre Marriner. Michael Oliver, Bobby Madley, Mike Dean and Martin Atkinson have been our countries best referees, and we have lost one of them. The rest need changing imo.

{Ed001's Note - Mike Dean is duckin awful.}

17.) 04 Nov 2018 11:58:46
aha na i like Dean, loves a good advantage and brings proper character rather than being a drone.

18.) 04 Nov 2018 12:06:43
Just chill ed1. All those ref decisions are nothing compared to the farce in Fiorentina vs Roma. I don't know how Simeone got a penalty against the Roma keeper and I think they even had VAR (not sure though) that was as blatant a dive as I have seen all year.

19.) 04 Nov 2018 12:47:29
Mike Dean is more of a celebrity than a ref. Hie is blooming awful. Cost Wolves a point vs Spurs last night BUT again, nothing shocking about that, lol.

20.) 04 Nov 2018 12:59:29
thanks Benny Baller. v insightful.
based on what you just said, wouldn't a huge chunk of what pundits discuss in the studio become pointless? they always like to say 'based on the letter of the law', 'he's got 2 hands, that's a clear foul', etc. and tons of nonsense. Given that a lot of these are opinionated fouls, then surely, it is based on the referee's call and anyone else's opinion is secondary within the context of a match.

nonetheless, i think you are right. i probably will not be able to appreciate the style of some referees and that is fine, such is life. but wouldn't it be better then for the referees to have a platform to explain their decisions, given that a mass of it are opinionated? of course we are not going to demand them to explain every single decision that went against respective teams, but being given the platform to articulate their rationale, would it not ensure greater clarity, accountability and improve the overall quality of referring?

21.) 04 Nov 2018 13:34:38
No conspiracy at all ED02 just pointing out the referee let's a lot go. On another day a less leniant referee would give them decisions.

{Ed0333's Note - we should have won that game even with inept officialdom.

22.) 04 Nov 2018 13:34:38
No conspiracy at all ED02 just pointing out the referee let's a lot go. On another day a less leniant referee would give them decisions.

23.) 04 Nov 2018 14:36:17
It's always going to happen Benny that's why it's called human error mate but gives us something to moan about.

24.) 04 Nov 2018 14:55:37
Benny, I guess this is in reference to Mane disallowed goal, which I agree with you, the referee should've explained at the end of the game why it was given offside . I think its fifty fifty, when the ball was through to Firmino, Sadio was clearly offside, at that time Mane shouldn't have followed the ball or interfere in play, he should have stopped or move away until Roberto touches it, but he did follow the ball, so when the ball rebounded, he was deemed to have gained an advantage from an offside position.

25.) 04 Nov 2018 14:57:36
Spot on, Ed re: Kolasinac. There was a time where he had 4 bites at Salah to the point that our commentator for the PL here in Brussels, was losing his marbles as to why the perrenially incompetent Andre Mariner did not give a foul. Did you also see where Xaka clearly blocked Mane's path when he had gone past him and Mariner gave a throw in to Arsenal? I also agree that both GK incidents should have been penalties. It also seems like those of us on here actually know more about the offside rules than the refs/ linos do and if that is the case, we are all in trouble this season.

26.) 04 Nov 2018 16:20:39
BR, much as it is frustrating, i don't think anyone is in trouble this season as this sub-standard of refereeing has been going on some time now. and the call last night wasn't as bad when you recall our match against spurs last season:

Lino: did Lovern touch the ball?

Ref: I don't know. You see anything on the telly?

Lino: I need to know. If he didn't touch the ball it's offside. If he did, it isnt. so did her?

Ref: I don't know. I'm going to give a pen.

No understanding of the offside rule. No basic principles of refereeing what you saw and not what you guessed. No adherence to non-VAR in a PL match (though this point was largely inconsequential) .

Jon Moss is still a PL referee. We survived last season. We'll get over a whole load of poor refereeing performances this season eventually.

What I'm beginning to get annoyed though is with commentators and pundits making up stories to cover-up for the referees - and I don't understand what's their reason for doing so! If you heard the commentary I heard of the game, you would think the referee was top notch and got every single decision right!

27.) 04 Nov 2018 18:07:54
Love your posts as always, Sgynwa. That whole cock-up in the Spurs game as you described, still makes my blood boil. I mean, this is the type of rubbish that not just LFC, but the whole EPL (and lower divisions) are subjected. These bozos were actually making it up as they went along in REAL time.

I know we will survive and rise above this BUT the margins are so thin right now cos every bad call (esp. one so blatant as this one) can cost you the league, top 4 or survival and it has to be fixed. I guess they won't cos the PL power brokers seem to like the controversies cos it sell papers, clicks and ratings. As for the pundits, I have NEVER cared for any of them esp. Shearer the flip-flopper while Gary Neville likes to tell other managers what they should or should not be doing whereas, he lacks any type of credibility on the issue based on his "glorious" managerial CV. Rio is the ONLY good pundit out there, IMO.




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You crack me up Firmino.

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26 Oct 2018 14:31:23
Glad we are looking at Ramsey tbh. Good player, adds strength In depth. Of course he would want first team action regularly, which will probably put an end to a deal being possible.
Hopefully he sees how our midfield 3 keep rotating this year and he bites.
Milner and Lallana can’t go on forever, unfortunately!

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Yes he your source used Tim Krul as example 😂 school time be back soon.

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Why didn’t your mate tell you about the fab interview 🤔.

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05 Jun 2018 20:25:24
Which player would you sign weighing up talent to potential cost and how they’d fit in with the team ethic, Ed002? I don’t think I’ve ever seen them play.

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It’s not the anecdote, it’s who delivers it that makes it good. That said, you probably shouldn’t do it 😂.

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07 Dec 2018 15:31:20
Hate these stats. Actually played cup finals under klopp, and only ran city close under Brendan.
Not to mention the change over period of what Brendan left klopp with, perhaps the worst squad we’ve had in PL history.
001 makes a fantastic point, Klopps is improving, Brendan’s crumbled. The game against Madrid where he rested players will always make me despise the man.
And the very very bottom line, luis Suarez. With Bobby’s form how it is, I’m saying very confidently, with the rest of the squad, if we had Suarez up front right now, we would be 4 points ahead of City, the man turned draws into wins and losses into draws. He almost won us a league single handedly.

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07 Dec 2018 15:24:35
I think you need to rename the “legend” list if that’s the bench mark 001 😂 good player though!

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06 Dec 2018 10:37:05
You say objective ruling faith, but we, as referees, are there to implement the rules. It is our game and we are in control, not objectively. It’s poor from the supposedly best officials in the world, week in week out.

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06 Dec 2018 01:21:30
And if my grandma had wheels she would be a bicycle.
You can’t make crazy claims like that my man. Could of broke his neck at cb after a sky diver landed on him for all fate knows.

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