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The Juicer

1.) 20 Jun 2015 23:39:35
I wouldn't rule out the illuminati.



31 Jan 2014 11:36:22
The Guardian (no less) reporting that the redevelopment plans are moving forward apace.
Fingers crossed, there could be real progress this year, it all looks good to go if and when the demolition is done.
Only two owners, of four houses, still holding out.
Is that the two buy-to-let landlords that were supposedly going to sue the Council / LFC?
Maybe, just maybe, there will be spades in the ground before 2014 is out?

The Juicer



28 Dec 2013 11:16:29
Aspas out / on loan in January?
Heard anything ed001 or 002?

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - not that I am aware of, it would seem highly unlikely considering our lack of options up top.}

1.) I too was seeking the views of the eds on aspas, if u don't think he will go what is his future then? Will his playing time now gradually increase? He wasn't playing before when fit despite an early goal spree in preseason so are we going to give him time and a chance and is he willing to be patient?

{Ed001's Note - it is still early days for him, I expect him to get a few more chances over the course of the season, but he was bought for the long term. I am told he is being worked hard to increase his strength, as there is a feeling he is too weak at the moment. I would think that will help him a lot, as I do agree that he seems far too weak at the moment and is easily knocked off the ball.}



08 Nov 2013 11:10:34
Looking like Sterling out on loan to Spain ed002?
One out, one in? {Ed002's Note - I understand that a loan is being considered as he wants more playing time. As to whether or not he will be moving to Spain I don't know. Options of a move to an EPL side are very limited.}

The Juicer

1.) 08 Nov 2013 12:05:21
I don't know if it happens very often but do Dutch sides ever show an interest in loaning in young English players? Its a great league for young players to develop in.

YNWAdam {Ed002's Note - Dutch clubs take players on loan as do clubs of other countries. I suspect the Championship might make a more likely destination.}

2.) 08 Nov 2013 12:46:32
If that is the case Ed, I'd like to see him at QPR. It is the club he started his career at, and its flying high in the league. My main reason though is because of who is the manager. Harry Redknapp has this incredible ability to bring the best out of wingers. Bale, Townsend and Lennon being the best examples. I mean if he can make Lennon play well, he can get Sterling firing! Any chance we could see some interest from QPR as they look to maintain their title push?

YNWAdam {Ed002's Note - I really have no idea - the world does not revolve around a Liverpool kiddie.}

3.) 08 Nov 2013 16:54:33
Out of interest Ed002, why is a loan to an EPL side unlikely? {Ed002's Note - As I said, options of a move to an EPL side are very limited - many who might consider the kid are already covered as their loan slots are taken up.}

4.) 08 Nov 2013 18:25:42
Ah, thanks Ed. There was me thinking it was something heinous!



21 Oct 2013 11:12:47
Heard anything on Derby County's reported interest in taking Andre Wisdom on loan?
And will he go to play centre back (his best position)? {Ed002's Note - It is likely the loan will happen. I don't know where he will be used.}

The Juicer

1.) 21 Oct 2013 12:05:51
Would this have to wait until January Eds? I don't really know how these loan windows work in the Championship.

YNWAdam {Ed001's Note - Derby can take him on an emergency loan for up to 3 months.}




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02 Sep 2018 21:46:32
OK Redmen, a little bit of nostalgia on the occasion of Shankly's birthday.
He managed Workington Reds in 1954 / 55 and lived in the town during that time.
I was told that he had a club house on Frostoms Road, don't know the number sorry.
At that time, the town would have had a huge steel plant and Shankly's house would have overlooked this. Indeed the works dominated the landscape, and lit the sky at night.
A tough old place, no millionaire pads and swimming pools then.
But still luxury compared to Glenbuck.

The Juicer



25 Aug 2018 16:06:11
Hi Ed001, I wanted to pass on a belated thanks for your Jack Charlton piece.
Just read it earlier and very enjoyable.
A few surprises in there too, which was nice.
Didn't Jack and Bobby both retire from their
playing careers on the same day by coincidence?
It always amazed me too that the very strong characters in Revie's team liked to play the carpet bowls, bingo and such like together in the team hotel. The senior players must have bought into it though.
PS good to see the boy Salah back on the go, nice one.

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - they did retire at the end of the same season, so it could have been the same day. I was leaving the relationship between them for the Bobby one, as it was him that caused the rift between them, well and his wife.

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it.}



23 Jul 2018 13:12:41
Away from the Karius subject.
My suggestion of taking Sterling back to Liverpool went down like a lead balloon yesterday, which was not unexpected.
I felt the same as everyone else about him / his agent's acrimonious transfer to City.

What changed my mind, however, was a talk-in when a LFC fan called in to speak / abuse Sterling. I think it was Tony Evans who absolutely laid into the caller and gave him both barrels, that Sterling had been messed around badly by Rodgers wanting him to play wingback etc.
Sterling was a young lad, had excelled in the SAS front three, and was now being required to play a stupid role really.
I was never in the fervent 'Rodgers Out' camp but, in hindsight, that was a terrible decision.
Bringing in Lambert and Balotelli and then compounding the problems asking Sterling to play wingback the following season to accommodate a horrible back three?

It's a shame he went, especially in those circumstances, but I'd personally have him back at Liverpool.
It won't happen of course, but that was my thinking yesterday.

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - it is nothing to do with how he left, it is simply that he is not good enough to get in our current side. We have moved past him.}

1.) 23 Jul 2018 13:30:34
I don't necessarily disagree with you there Ed.
But as a member of the first team squad, he'd be ideal.
As he was in that 2013/ 14 season.
People forget he's younger than Andy Robertson and not that much older than Joe Gomez, so he's still quality for his age.
I'd take him before Meyer, Fekir and other such names that have been mentioned this Summer.
However, yes, life moves on as you say.

{Ed001's Note - not a chance I would take him over any of those. He can't kick a damn ball.}

2.) 23 Jul 2018 13:40:54
The Ox before Sterling for me.

3.) 23 Jul 2018 13:49:23
Mane is a sterling who can pass and more importantly finish. If sterling came he'd play a similar role to shaqiri.

4.) 23 Jul 2018 13:49:32
He hasn’t improved since he left. Would want huge wages, a big transfer fee and wouldn’t get in the team. We don’t need him or his pea-rolling shots in our team. There are far better options out there for a lot less money.

5.) 23 Jul 2018 13:53:38
Juicer, let it go, man. Sterling stood out in a severely poor team during that 2014/ 15 season and that is normal. He has regressed IMMENSELY from his 2014 season when he was brilliant with great (Suarez, SG) and promising (Hendo, Cou) around him to help him grow. Now, he has even better players around him and he is still useless.

He would not be ideal for us in anyway within the first team squad of today as this squad is light years ahead of the LFC he played in and. First off, he would not start ahead of even Shaquiri (who ion terms of talent, ability and end product, is the better player) and he can forget about starting ahead of the front 3 nor ahead of the Ox so again, what would he be doing here? He can't pass, can't shoot, can't dribble one one one, poor decision-making and misses more sitters than any player I've ever seen so AGAIN, what would he be doing here?

6.) 23 Jul 2018 14:31:30
Whos position would he play in, salah? Mane?

If he comes back it would be a significant fee, would he then be content to sit on the bench and wait for his chance? How long would it take for him and his greedy agent to start agitating for a move?

He has shown he is not really a thinking footballer, plays better on instinct hence the types of goals he scored for city were ones put on a plate for him. Altho he has a habit of scooping balls over the bar from 2 yards out but he can score goals when he doesn't engage his brain.

His other quality is his pace and running off the last defender, but again more often than not runs into cul de sacs or plays the wrong ball.

My assessment is he would be an expensive bench player that would as he has done with his last two clubs try and hold them to ransom every 3 yrs or so despite the limited return in terms of his contribution on the pitch.

7.) 23 Jul 2018 14:38:58
I know this site is all about differing opinions and we often have to agree to disagree but, um, did you really just say you would prefer Sterling to Fekir?

8.) 23 Jul 2018 15:07:50
Shaqiiri before Stering? LMAO.
And I'm afraid that the Ox, as much as I like him, has big big problems.
We'll be lucky to see him back to last season's level, IMO.

9.) 23 Jul 2018 15:16:27
Did you actually watch any of hs performances in the World Cup?
It was Sterling boiled down. Forget all the praise for him distracting the opposition to free up space for Kane, Lingard etc - that plainly worked really well didn't it?
As has been mentioned above, he is not up to scratch. he may have scored lots of goals last season for City, but then so would Igor Biscan in that team.
He is awful at everything he does. He was only made to look good with Suarez etc, because of how good Suarez was.

10.) 23 Jul 2018 15:31:44
Don't be silly BBB, and did you watch Fekir at he WC?
Please can someone explain this Fekir thing, because I did not see anything in him that I liked at all. Fat footed and a waste of money.
About as mobile as Biscan, if you want to bring him in the conversation.

Anyway, I get the gist. You all don't like Sterling anymore. He never tore those defences apart in the SAS and he wouldn't thrive in our team. OK, lol.

{Ed001's Note - did you watch Fekir at all? Fat footed? Immobile? Clearly you have never seen Nabil Fekir play at all if you think that is even slightly true. Just because you want Sterling back, despite him being not good enough to get in the side, doesn't mean it makes sense to make up bull about players we are after who are better than him.}

11.) 23 Jul 2018 15:47:43
Ox and Shaqiri can cover Mane and Salah we don't need Sterling.

12.) 23 Jul 2018 15:29:18
Sorry to whichever ed removed the last sentence of my last post, as you can tell im still butter.

{Ed002's Note - Keep it greasy.}

13.) 23 Jul 2018 16:08:28
Do I feel any ill feeling towards Sterling? No. Life is too short for that. Do I want him back at Anfield? No, because for the money that it would cost there are infinitely better options out there. He had gone his way and we, as a club, are going our own.

14.) 23 Jul 2018 16:20:15
Normally you see posters on here giving players stick and a lot of it is unfounded and based on personal dislike of the player.
Not in this case. All that I see about Sterling above is correct. He runs fast, that's it. Poor decision making, poor control, can't dribble and goes to ground more than a rabbit being chased by hounds.
And yes, Shaqiri would be getting games before Sterling all season long as Shaqiri has proven end product.
Sterling flatters to deceive and was found out big time at the World Cup. Zero assists, zero goals and spent half his time on his ass looking at the referee.
He's a slightly faster model of the current version of Origi we're seeing.

15.) 23 Jul 2018 17:08:27
If Sterling was found out, what about Fekir?
Zero goals, zero assists and can't run fast?
Is Fekir as good as Coutinhio? No.
Is Shaqiri as good as Coutinho or Salah / Mane? No.

The CL Final plan fell to pieces when one man went off.
Real's bench was able to impact the game and was of a quality not far off the starting XI.
A Sterling, or a player of that ilk, would allow the quick and pressing game to be continued.
What impact did Fakir have appearing for France in the WC off the bench? None, is what. Can't go beyond the defence.
So what's the point? If you'er going to go for a Coutinho replacement, he needs to be better and quicker than Fekir. Flat footed, not fat.

{Ed001's Note - you are really getting on my tits with this nonsense now. You clearly know f all about Fekir so please drop it because it is embarrassing. You are as bad as the idiots that verbally masturbate over a player because of a youtube clip. Why did you drag Fekir into it when you have obviously no idea about the player at all?

Forget trying to dig out Fekir, you don't know anything about him, so just drop it. It is just destroying your argument about Sterling because it is making you look utterly clueless.}

16.) 23 Jul 2018 17:59:18
LMAO, sorry Ed.

17.) 23 Jul 2018 18:59:24
I'd love to know how many of Sterlings goals last year were miss hits. My guess is the percentage would be pretty high. If he could strike a ball, be it a pass or a shot, he'd be dangerous.

18.) 23 Jul 2018 19:06:37
Graeme Sounesss summed Raheem up in his World Cup column in a Sunday newspaper. He said his speed and trickery got him into great positions but his final ball and shooting let him down because he does not strike the ball cleanly. Or, as Ed01 put it, “He can’t kick a damn ball. ” I don’t bear any grudges against the lad because he left us but I really can’t see how he would improve the current squad.

19.) 23 Jul 2018 20:54:17
Ed out of interest how big are your moobs, could juicer really rest his head on them. 😉.



15 Jul 2018 19:14:23
Well, that's another glimpse of Fekir and I still don't know what all the fuss is about?

The Juicer

1.) 15 Jul 2018 19:21:05
A ten minute sub appearance isn’t really fair to judge.

2.) 15 Jul 2018 19:28:52
He’s played an average of 10 minutes per game. If you can tell anything from that you are the greatest judge of players in history.

3.) 15 Jul 2018 19:34:54
Wow judging a player on 10 mins.

4.) 15 Jul 2018 19:56:40
For the short time he was on. And fact France were happy sitting in holding their lead. I thought Fekir showed nice close control and footwork to hold onto ball or draw foul.

5.) 15 Jul 2018 20:06:26
Basing an attacking players performance on a 10min substitute appearance when his team are 2 goals up and trying to hold out for the final whistle.

"That Salah guy must not be any good given his world cup performances? don't see what the fuss is about. " Basing a players ability on a couple games let alone 10min is absurd.

6.) 15 Jul 2018 20:21:56
Tough to judge him based on his appearances in Ligue 1 as their league is utter shabbyte.

7.) 15 Jul 2018 20:37:24
I'm not saying don't sign him but he's had 25 x mins v Australia, 15 x Peru, 25 x Denmark, 10 x Argentina and 15 x Croatia and not shown anything out of the ordinary really.
He looked flat footed too, not particularly quick.
So my first impressions are not that impressed, that's all.

8.) 15 Jul 2018 20:46:17
Yikes, Juicer! And you were able to make that out after watching him sporadically during the WC instead of doing some research to see how good this guy is (Youtube does not count as research) . That is just plain lazy.

9.) 15 Jul 2018 20:51:53
I wouldn't say he's been flat footed, showed some lovely quick feet even in his 10min in the final in order to draw a foul. He's definitely not quick but he's hardly slow and its important to note he's more of a CAM then a winger. Ligue 1 may not be the most challenging but he's looked immense against PSG in the league as well as teams abroad in the Europa League.

10.) 15 Jul 2018 21:16:56
Hasn't the premiership player of the year, not been won by players (Hazard, Mahrez, kante) brought in from the French league 3 of the last 4 seasons? Salah being the other winner. Yes the standard might not be up there with the premiership. But it certainly produces very good players.

11.) 15 Jul 2018 21:17:06
Why does he keep getting only 10 minutes.

12.) 15 Jul 2018 21:55:20
he’s played (roughly) 90 minutes over the entire tournament. Bit unfair to judge him on that to be honest, 10-20 minutes when france are usually seeing out the game is not worth attempting to judge an attacking player. Maybe defenders and deep midfielders yes but not anybody who's main role is to get forward and initiate attacks.

13.) 15 Jul 2018 22:01:25
Deschamps is the man to give that question to.
Klopp likes Fekir, his judgement is good enough for me.

14.) 15 Jul 2018 22:08:36
Not many would get many minutes competing with Griezeman and mbappe.

15.) 15 Jul 2018 23:23:54
The OP said "from what I've seen he doesn't look all that special" or something roughly like that and it's actually a valid comment. Fekir hasn't played much but he also hasn't been amazing when he came on. He's looked tight and you can see he is technically sound but he hasn't done much if we're honest.

I don't watch the French league and I'm not alone in that, and for us this world Cup has been our chance to see fekir.

The Op didn't write the guy off, sounded more like a plea of reassurance that fekir is a decent player from those more knowledgeable about ligue 1.

16.) 16 Jul 2018 02:04:58
Hendo, what? He said "Well, that's another glimpse of Fekir and I still don't know what all the fuss is about? "

Felt like I was back in school doing English with the teacher reading faarrr too much into what an author said haha

Anyway op doesn't see what the fuss is about and yes that is fair enough in only watching the world cup, but if you want to judge him on world cup cameos you might as well just watch YouTube clips (NOT the skill/ goals ones), search for "player name" vs "team name" and they’ll show every touch and off the ball stuff also.
Or trust Klopp and the millions of posts about how good he is xD.



10 Jul 2018 17:26:36
Today would have been the birthday of the late great Don Revie, manager of probably the best British team of the mid 60s to 70s and rivals of LFC obviously.
For what Liverpool became in the 1970s, they had to overcome Leeds United.
The Mighty Whites.

The Juicer

1.) 10 Jul 2018 20:06:26
Worth a shout but "the damned united" has tainted my view of him.

2.) 10 Jul 2018 21:34:07
Best British team of mid 60s to 70s? So how many European cups did they win?

3.) 10 Jul 2018 22:07:37
Cheated out of one langland in 1975.
Celtic knocked them out of a semi final too, I think they played them when they had injuries and a real fixture overload in the league, FA Cup and European Cup.




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14 Sep 2018 07:48:00
Interesting read.
The mere fact that Liverpool went after Fekir so strongly, in knowledge of his knee problems, was surely testament to Klopp’s admiration of his ability.
It’s a shame about his injuries, and I hope he goes on to have a long and successful career, but I do think that pulling out of the deal was the right move in the end.
I don’t know if Fekir had wowed at the World Cup whether that would have made any difference at all, I suspect not, but it doesn’t look likely that Lyon will be getting that type of offer for Fekir in the future.

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09 Aug 2018 06:08:20
Late change of manager and system of play?
Over-priced late signings, loans replacing failed signings, was Fakir a number 1 target or are they happy with a Liverpool reject, signings that may hinder the development of home-grown talent (specifically Loftus-Cheek), a failure (so far) to deal with the lack of goals (striker)?

The late movement all feels like a rushed appeasement for their star man.

I would never write off Chelsea because they've gotten in quality people but it could take time to bind together, and how much patience the owner and Mr Hazard are prepared to show may be interesting to note?

The Juicer



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08 Aug 2018 23:50:47
Fekir to Chelsea?
Lordy, my prayers have been answered.

Their recruitment is all over the shop lately.
Where's the Grand Plan now?

The Juicer

{Ed0333's Note - all over the shop how so?



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28 Jul 2018 09:25:44
I'd echo the sentiments on Ings.

The situation does show the importance of a good rehab set-up too. It pays for itself and more, in the end.
The player gets 5% (I think) of the transfer fee and the club may get a decent price on the lad, especially considering his injury record.

It looks like a good outcome all round, really.

The Juicer



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26 Jul 2018 10:00:28
Pass on all our regards to Neville Southall Ed025, his anti-austerity tweets were bang-on.
Tell him to keep the red flag flying, so to speak, haha.

The Juicer

{Ed025's Note - i will do juicer, but it will probably be by a chippy in llandudno mate..




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20 Sep 2018 20:07:40
@Johncrow Junior
I don’t need any invitation to pass by nostalgia corner, so I’m going to suggest Malcom MacDonald pre his knee injury problems at Arsenal.
Hugely quick, powerful, great header.
Such was his physical capabilities, I think he’d make it in the modern game today.
Best target man for me.

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19 Sep 2018 20:46:34
Have to give the PSG fans a 9 for last night, they provided great support to their team.
It was fantastic to finally shut them up near the end though.
I somehow had the opinion that all PSG’s fans were sophisticated yuppies but there looked to be some right meat heads there, lol.

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - apart from when they were throwing stuff at the corner takers.}



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19 Sep 2018 20:06:30
Pleasing to see the midfield and full backs contributing to the goal tally, as we discussed after the Spurs game.
Was it Gomez who brought the ball out under pressure, Jocky Hansen style, in the second half?
Anyway I enjoyed your summary, good stuff. Thanks again.

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - yes mate, Gomez did bring the ball out under pressure well. Really pleasing to see him blossoming as a ball playing centre half.

You are very welcome mate.}



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19 Sep 2018 08:20:07
It was interesting that even PSG didn’t exactly go toe-to-toe with us, they were still wary of getting caught too far forward.
They’ve got some class players, no doubt about that, and some of their play was lovely to behold but the better team won.
That’s the most pleasing thing for me, it wasn’t a fluke at all.

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18 Sep 2018 08:26:09
He did apparently Ed001 yes.
There was the famous mix up after Beattie had spent a week’s trial at Melwood, when he was due to sign for Liverpool.
He was actually chosen to play in Shankly’s testimonial match and was told by the great man “Aye son, I’ve only made a few mistakes in my life, but (missing) you were one of the biggest”.
Beattie and Keegan had some right ding dong battles, about evens maybe as well.
Great player and still highly thought of in Carlisle and Ipswich.

The Juicer

{Ed001's Note - it is a sad loss.}