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31 Dec 2017 13:45:56
Ed2 I love the way you casually drop a bombshell in one sentence, ever the tease although what you say is actually factual. Some of the LFC fans annoy you as we are aware but to what extent we will never know as you do the editing so get to see the good the bad and the ugly posts but you are loved here and just want you to know that. I often look at the other team pages and your one liners on many occasions have actually had me in stitches.

Btw for those fans here that are sensitive and have a go at Ed2 as he tells it like it is and have this delusional notion that he has it in for LFC, I urge you to look no further than the Chelsea forum as a reminder to how lucky we are here to have him.

The bombshell for lack of a better word was in reference to the VVD deal being negotiated and concluded by John Henry without telling Klopp or Edwards for those that missed it. All in all it was the man Klopp wanted so it worked out best for everyone I guess.

Anyways Ed2 thanks for another year of sharing your wisdom on the LFC forum and to many more.

Alonso1786

{Ed002's Note - Not negotiated per se. They asked for a price, were given one, and agreed to pay it.

And thansk.}


1.) 31 Dec 2017 13:58:42
Very well put Alonso.


2.) 31 Dec 2017 13:54:32
1 minute your saying the deal was done without klopps knowledge but then you just said they asked for a price and we paid it. As if klopp doesn't know any of what is going on.

{Ed002's Note - Clearly plain English is too complex for you.}


3.) 31 Dec 2017 14:37:15
Both Klopp and VVD's agent were excluded from the initial deal on the 21st of December. they were told post the agreement on Christmas Eve. Apparently (and very strangely for a transfer deal) there was no negotiation about the amount. SFC quoted the price and we simply accepted the amount.


4.) 31 Dec 2017 14:45:45
Let's be honest, no negotiation was going to take place after the debacle in the summer. Either pay the asking price or don't bother signing him at all. After the tapping up and complaint filed there was no messing around. Hence why Henry stepped in and took care of it.


5.) 31 Dec 2017 14:59:14
Ed002. please don't shoot.

Do you know that Edwards was unaware, or do you know that Henry made the contact personally? They are two very different things of course.

If I were Edwards I would be more than a little pissed if the owner made a decision about something clearly in my remit, without discussing it. That in most circles would be considered poor management (I am not saying it doesn't happen, but it would likely erode trust with Edwards) .

On the other hand, if Henry and Edwards discussed it, and agreed that the only way to get it done without risk of it blowing up, was for Henry to handle it directly with Southampton ownership, then that would be quite understandable. It is not uncommon for contacts to be made directly between principals to "get things done", but if it were done without synchronising with Edwards first that would be interesting, and may give Edwards cause for concern.

Genuinely interested to understand whether we know whether it is one or the other (retreating to bomb shelter. )

{Ed002's Note - FSG dealt with the transfer from Boston and those in London did not. It is simple, try not to make a big deal of it.}


6.) 31 Dec 2017 15:18:37
I wonder if the Eds have any hair left.


7.) 31 Dec 2017 17:11:10
Well said alonso.


8.) 31 Dec 2017 19:52:50
Having been on this site for a fairly long time now. i can honestly say that although at times ED02 gets a bit angry with the supporters at time. he has every right. His judgement is first class along with his incredible knowledge within the game. ps I should know cos I knew him when he was a lady. best wishes Eds from one of your biggest supporters. great site!

{Ed002's Note - Thanks and have a great evening Tel.}


 

 

 

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20 May 2018 11:36:32
ED2, one for you if you're about. Not player transfer related per say but more so a general question on transfers, do you think in the next few years we will see transfer values drop back down to, for want of a better word normal? Neymar's fee seemed to spike the market or was it always going that way, albeit at a steadier incline due to TV revenue flooding in.

Alonso1786

{Ed002's Note - It all depends what happens with the restructuring of the game and FIFA now assisting UEFA with trying to avoid the breakaway, and what happens with the US and China. I expect you will see most clubs fall away from a number of "elite" sides financially, and overall there needs to be fewer pro clubs to make the game sustainable.}


1.) 20 May 2018 12:05:57
ED2 thanks as always, doesn't seem to be much you don't know regarding the game. There seems to be a real worry that this breakaway league may come to fruition if FIFA are now assisting UEFA to avoid it. I can't really give an opinion on whether its a bad or good idea as I don't know much of the details to support an argument for or against it so will reserve judgement, what I can say is I do like the premiership as it is, partly down to the fact its all I have known.

In regards to China and US, are you able to elaborate further? not to worry if the details are unimportant at the time being.

{Ed002's Note - There are two/three counter-proposals to the pan-European breakaway that have partially been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition again. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. This has dragged on for a year or more and nothing has happened - and I doubt it wil.

However, UEFA are now considering a variant proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve in to a parallel league, and of course eventually in to a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support - and that is where we are now.

The second major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite". The general feeling from informal discussions over cocktails is that the "elite" would not want it on a league basis but could be open to including other sides in a some sort of expanded World Club Competition - and this is where FIFA are involved.}


2.) 20 May 2018 14:10:23
Thanks ED2, ones thing for sure it will be interesting to see how this all pans out.


3.) 20 May 2018 14:23:01
What an explanation Ed02. That’s why you are a footballing Encyclopedia 🤗.


4.) 20 May 2018 14:25:27
Wow ed. Thank you very much forma that detailed answer.


5.) 20 May 2018 15:16:29
Great information. Thank you.


 

 

18 May 2018 07:05:25
Nothing better than waking up to a Macca post. Love ya Macca, love ya Eds my fellow Red safe to say its love all around. Heres to us hopefully getting all those signings over the finishing line and to be honest Fekir and Dembele of Barcelona is enough to get me excited. Signing them both doesn't not mean one of our front three has to go, Fekir is being looked at as a Coutinho replacement in the midfield three but can play up top and Dembele can rotate with the front three for rest or injuries therefore we are not significantly weakened and can mount a serious challenge for the league.

Oh and we already have Naby Keita coming in, win the champions league as well then Klopp is seriously building something special. I have always loved my club and always will but like a girlfriend some days you are more in love some days less so, you go through some ups and some downs but right now, I am proud to be a Liverpool fan.

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13 May 2018 08:22:55
Morning Ed1I feel your pain, I had a touch of the runs not to long ago, hope you feel better soon. Question for you if you don't mind. You said we are targeting a deep lying playmaker and Coutinho mould replacement to go alongside Keita but if the likes of say Oblak and Becker were available would you personally dip into the piggy bank and go for one of them or stick with Karius?

Alonso1786

{Ed001's Note - I personally would go for a world class keeper without question, if one became available, yes. You have to, the keeper is a specialist position and there are very few truly elite level keepers. You only have to look at how much difference having one has made to Man Utd over the last few years.}


1.) 13 May 2018 08:39:50
I totally agree mate but why do I have this horrible feeling Klopp will stick with Karius. Please tell me he has at least considered/ considering bringing in an elite keeper? Our front 3 is sorted and by what you have been saying recently our midfield is on the way to being sorted, now adding a top keeper and we can start thinking of challenging for the league.


2.) 13 May 2018 08:59:49
I think Karius has the quality to potentially become one - but his performance in the CL Final may ultimately decide his future at Liverpool. Big pressure game for a young lad.


3.) 13 May 2018 09:10:20
Thats the dilemma Octopus Garden, he could well turn out to do something similar to Superman AKA De Gea but its not often when you get a transfer window were a few worldclass keepers become supposedly available. Attacking is not our issue its the defense and keeper, if we add a worldclass keeper we essentially have a spine with VVD, Keita and the front 3.


4.) 13 May 2018 12:01:26
Do you have a particular keeper you think we should go for ed? In the semi Alisson didn't seem particularly world class but then I don't watch Italian football and that's not exactly a large sample size.

Karius will never be worlds class in my opinion. He's ok, improving, but has none of the hallmarks of a top class stopper. It irks me when people say about how De Gea was awful when he first came. He wasn't. He got bullied at crosses and was quiet but was an excellent shot stopper, had brilliant one on one skills and had amazing reflexes - the best traits for a top keeper. The rest came to him with experience and confidence but he was born with the stuff that makes him world class. Karius has an ok skill set but shows nothing special in any of them. He has the skill set of a standard Premier League level keeper, not a world class one.

{Ed001's Note - De Gea was awful when he first came, he was fluffing catches and not making stops he should have. He was unsettled initially and never played well at all. His shot stopping was erratic and he would get caught out of position a lot. It took him a while to grow into the position at United, but then he turned out to be a top class keeper. It may irk you but it is correct.

I would go for Allison personally. Oblak looks great playing for Atletico, but he is not exactly put under pressure, nor does he have to do any sweeping up behind a high line. So I have no idea if he is capable of playing that way, but I would not take the risk as it is not his skill set. It is Allison's style to play that way.}


5.) 13 May 2018 12:15:17
Alonso, it's possible the club just don't think they can get a keeper who's going to be a notable improvement on Karius and that's why we're looking at the likes of Navas and Reina as competition for Karius rather than trying to get a new #1 for big money.

When £30m is being quoted for the likes of Butland, who isn't any better than Karius, you'd really wonder what the point is signing someone at level is.

Aside from established world class keepers at big clubs who we obviously can't sign (de Gea, Neuer etc. ) define an elite keeper for me? Oblak, maybe? Anyone else? I am genuinely asking here, btw, I don't follow European footie as well as I used to.

Allison's been linked and is highly regarded, but aside from the fact he's going to cost us £70m, he's only had one season at top European level. A change of club, language and country might disrupt his form for a couple months and the media and some of the support might get on his back.


6.) 13 May 2018 12:31:45
Bardzo, De Gea was so bad in the beginning he was dropped for Lindegaard!


7.) 13 May 2018 12:34:47
Fair enough, I was younger and my memory is a little hazy but I just remember him being a kid, but obviously looking a lot better than most 20 year olds. I may well be mistaken, but in my head was getting a lot more stick than he deserved.

I have heard you say you'd go for Alisson before, to be fair ed. Sometimes you can be made to look ordinary by the type of goals you concede, without playing badly but he didn't look anything special to me in those two games. If he suits our style, that is the main thing. I think Ederson is average as a keeper personally, and has been found out a number of times, but gets the label of being a top keeper because he suits city's style. If Alisson can suit us in the same way then I'm happy for that to happen. He does look big, fast and athletic at the least. I'll take you word that he would be right for us. It is a position we could do with sorting out for the long term.


8.) 13 May 2018 13:10:45
Bardzo my pick would be either Oblak or Becker both are considered elite keepers although I have seen more of Oblak. De Gea was bad when he first came and got dropped but managed to do a complete turn around. I just think this window might be the only opportunity in years when a few worldclass keepers are available and we should make an effort to get either one of them.


9.) 13 May 2018 13:17:42
Something Red - If we finish in the top four and win the Champions League should we start being a bit more ambitious and spend the money required to bring in a top keeper? You have seen how hard it is to win the league and I believe we need a good spine to challenge, starting with a top keeper. In regards to elite keepers that are potentially available this summer would be Oblak and Becker, like you said all the other ones are unattainable.


10.) 13 May 2018 13:21:24
Spot on, Ed and zspecialone. DDG was so bad that Rio recently admitted that he had to consult the senior players at Utd. to see who he would go for btw DDG and a certain Tomasz Krusczak. Yeah, that guy. People have very short memories of DDG's initial start at Utd. He was patheticaly poor and was making more and worse mistakes that Karius made when they both started. You can youtube DDG's mistakes and frankly, they border on the ridiculous.

As for a top GK, Klopp will stick with Karius, IMO and that is clear based on the fact that we are looking for a no. 2 rather than a no. 1. His perf. in the CL, should not a deciding factor as NO coach places such a condition without considering the other games that came before that, IMO.

Oblak is not good enough to play in our system. He plays in a VERY defensive system at AM with a deep-lying defensive line. We do not play that way so he is a non starter. Allisson is a good shout BUT he ain't worht the money Roma would want and Monchi has said he will stick us for every penny possible should we go for him. Butland ios just a joke so all that said, KArius is the guy and we will have to dea with that.


 

 

08 May 2018 10:47:19
One for Ed2 or Ed1, what qualifications if any do you need to become an agent? For example, if I was a football player can I just appointment my mum or dad as my agent without them passing some sort of test. Sorry if the question sounds stupid, was just a thought as I know to become a coach you need to get your badges, albiet very different to being an agent.

Alonso1786

{Ed001's Note - they are called intermediaries now and, as far as I am aware, there are no longer any required. There are plenty of courses out there and thousands of people attempting to get into the business, but I don't think they actually have to have any kind of qualification right now.}


1.) 08 May 2018 12:22:43
I thought you have to pass a written exam, have no criminal record (in the UK) and be registered with the FA? Registering with the FA has no actual requirement. The written exam (as Ed001 has indicated) is called the Level 3 Football Intermediary Certificate it takes a year and costs around £600.this is the bottom of the ladder and can take a lot of time apparently, from this point to a fully fledged football agent.
If I wanted to be an agent I'd ask to intern or volunteer at a sports agency, go to a load of matches in lower leagues and get to know and meet club officials, footballers, friends and families. and then perhaps take a serious course in contract law and business management. I think the FA site has details you could check.


2.) 08 May 2018 14:27:29
Cheers Ed1 and Reynard for the replies. I always assumed there must be a test but then again I see a lot of players employing family members, most noticeably their fathers as their agents so was thrown off a little thinking you can make anyone your agent.

{Ed001's Note - I am pretty sure it was changed last summer, but Reynard could well be right. I just remember a whole bunch of people jumping on the bandwagon to try and become an intermediary because it became so much easier to do.}


 

 

26 Mar 2018 11:54:10
I think we should have an Ed's appreciation day, starting with Ed2 and Ed1 for all the hard work they put in and having the patience of a saint at times. I just want to say thanks for the time you put into the site but especially the Liverpool pages and to Ed2 for being here as some of you may know we are lucky to have him as some other team pages do not share the same luxury.

Alonso1786

{Ed002's Note - Thanks but there is no need. You can join the Ed002 Appreciation Society: facebook.com/pages/Ed002-Appreciation-Society/295138177203666


1.) 26 Mar 2018 13:05:06
Ed002 should you maybe consider deleting your Facebook account given the recent revelations of the data misuse as we don’t want to see your information being hijacked and sold off to all and sundry.

{Ed002's Note - I don’t have a Facebook account Tommy


2.) 26 Mar 2018 13:58:55
That’s good to know.

The way things are going it’s maybe better to refrain from non essential use of online social media stuff.

I don’t mind people knowing about my love of LFC but I don’t want Trump’s people or the North Koreans to send me messages asking me for their support.


3.) 26 Mar 2018 20:05:03
A day?

They deserve a decade 👍.


4.) 26 Mar 2018 22:35:03
I think we should have a sycophant appreciation day, heres to you Alonso ;) The eds are great though, yeah. love this page.


 

 

 

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04 May 2018 12:57:13
Cheers Ed1 for the super quick replies, here's to hoping he ends up at Liverpool. one can only dream hey!

Alonso1786

{Ed001's Note - I have not seen enough of to know if he would be a dream signing or not. You are welcome though.}


 

 

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04 May 2018 12:49:25
Ed1 thought I read somewhere Weigl is more or less set for Man City but could be me imagining. Where do you see Weigl's future? Dortmund, England or up in the air/ anyone's guess?

Alonso1786

{Ed001's Note - I don't know sorry, he might be I just haven't heard that. I do expect him to end up in England.}


 

 

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04 May 2018 12:16:33
Navy Keith, don't want to compare Weigl to Henderson. I appreciate Henderson and what he brings to the team as well as his leadership. Weigl reminds me of Alonso, not saying he is the same quality as there will only be one Alonso just he plays in a similar mould and that's a compliment in itself, plus he is only 22 years old.

Ed1 if you're is it true he is destined for Man City? and do we have any chance of landing him?

Alonso1786

{Ed001's Note - who? Jorginho is the one set for City.}


 

 

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04 May 2018 09:23:34
ED1 please don't tease me with the mention of Weigl. I would run stark naked from London up to Liverpool if he signed.

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29 Jan 2018 19:54:30
Ed2 please chase that up, I would happily tune in every week to watch it.

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20 May 2018 14:10:23
Thanks ED2, ones thing for sure it will be interesting to see how this all pans out.

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20 May 2018 12:05:57
ED2 thanks as always, doesn't seem to be much you don't know regarding the game. There seems to be a real worry that this breakaway league may come to fruition if FIFA are now assisting UEFA to avoid it. I can't really give an opinion on whether its a bad or good idea as I don't know much of the details to support an argument for or against it so will reserve judgement, what I can say is I do like the premiership as it is, partly down to the fact its all I have known.

In regards to China and US, are you able to elaborate further? not to worry if the details are unimportant at the time being.

Alonso1786

{Ed002's Note - There are two/three counter-proposals to the pan-European breakaway that have partially been backed by UEFA to try and save their own skin. The first proposal is to rename and change the format of the UEFA Champions League to make it an elite closed-shop pan-European league with a fixed number of teams – and these would be the same teams every year and be based on past winners of the Champions League and European Cup and a few (not specified) more. It would then require the restructuring of the Europa League and the possible introduction of a lower-tier European competition again. Although they have yet to flesh out the detail and there is now a major concern that the impetus for this is not coming from Europe, although one major Football Association has given their support and discussions have also been held with the leading clubs from England (Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal). The American backer, Stephen Ross of the Miami Dolphins, has on several occasions requested a meeting with an extant group of sides considering the pan-European breakaway to discuss his proposals. They have yet to respond but having identified the source of much of the funding (and that raising a concern) will wish to discuss it between themselves first. This has dragged on for a year or more and nothing has happened - and I doubt it wil.

However, UEFA are now considering a variant proposal that would see some places in the CL fixed (probably to previous winners) and then see it supplemented by Champions and second place sides each season. This complicates matters again as it means the re-introduction of a third competition or the significant restructuring of the EL. The plan being put to clubs is a summer/preseason tournament that will evolve in to a parallel league, and of course eventually in to a complete breakaway for these clubs. As a first step to all of this, UEFA have negotiated minor changes that will see the four entrants from England, Germany, Spain and Italy enter the existing Champions League group stages without any qualification beyond their National League position (so no entry to qualifying rounds). This has been agreed by the European Club Association but UEFA did not want to discuss it with the separate group of “elite” sides discussing the Pan European League (and that “elite” group includes three English sides) as they are aware they will get no more than a shrug and no long-term support - and that is where we are now.

The second major counter proposal is a Chinese proposal from the Dalian Wanda Group proposes to open up the lucrative Chinese and Far Eastern media markets by extending the league to include Chinese and South American clubs. This has yet to be discussed by the "elite" sides as a group although the proposals have been presented to a number of them already on an individual basis. The proposals are very broad-based and lack detail - their selling point is significant additional income for the "elite". The general feeling from informal discussions over cocktails is that the "elite" would not want it on a league basis but could be open to including other sides in a some sort of expanded World Club Competition - and this is where FIFA are involved.}


 

 

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20 May 2018 13:06:08
Lets hope it all goes according to plan Barry. Its a weird one for me because I think we can smash them quite comfortably so I am confident but it can all go belly up so I am nervous. It would hurt coming all this way not to lift the trophy and bring it back to Anfield but play the way we know we can and it will be a day to remember.

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20 May 2018 12:29:22
Morning Barry all good my side hope all is well with you. I plan to watch it at home with a few beers see Salah and Bobby score and Henderson lift the trophy and then cry tears of joy for something close to about 20 minutes, gather my thoughts head to the fridge to see I have drank all the alcohol, take a walk to the shops with my Liverpool scarf signing you will never walk alone, drink a few more then head to my favourite website to post with my fellow Reds, then head to bed thinking life ain't that bad.

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20 May 2018 09:35:47
A midfield of Naby Keita with Kante next to him is something that should only be watched after the watershed.

Alonso1786