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13 Apr 2024 14:09:55
Don't count your chickens. There's a very good chance amorim could stay at sporting.

He has more to lose than gain by coming to Liverpool, right now it's a tough sell to people on the up. That's not me saying that, it's a few agents I met at an event I was at recently. One agent suggested it would be better for Liverpool to look for someone trying to rebuild their reputation instead as it's an opportunity for them rather than a risk.

1.) 13 Apr 2024 14:55:49
Really.

2.) 13 Apr 2024 15:26:11
I can see the point of view of the agents.
The next man in has a big job on his hands.
There is a bit of a rebuilding process to do and not a lot of money to do it with.
The knives will be out early on you can be sure of that.
Plus they have to work in a system with Edwards and Hughes so some loss of autonomy.

It’s a tough job, needs someone with some backbone.

Who knows, maybe it will be Potter?

3.) 13 Apr 2024 15:53:43
He looks nailed on to me.
Although I said the same about Alonso. Lol
But only he knows what’s going on his own head.
Liverpool will always be a tempting prospect for any manager who wants to prove himself though. Especially when the squad is quite young and in good shape, not much of a rebuilding job like usual, more tweaks.

4.) 13 Apr 2024 15:56:52
Wouldn't trust a football agent in the wild as far as I can throw him/ her.

Liverpool is an attractive job for any ambitious manager/ coach. We have record breaking revenues, good youngsters, excellent training facilities and are proactively strengthening the football structure again under someone who has a track record of success with us. Klopp is not leaving a mess behind him. And most importantly, Liverpool fans are always patient, supportive and hopeful as long as you take some time to understand the culture and avoid the Hodgson and Rogers-style "charm".

If an incoming coach is frightened of Klopp's legacy even after us not having won one of the big prizes (CL or PL) in 5 years, then they are not the right guy for Liverpool.

5.) 13 Apr 2024 16:03:46
If any, would be, manager is scared, we are better off without them. A young (ish) team, with a few tactical tweaks and sales/ purchases and they'll have an almost perfect team. I don't buy this "tough act to follow" or "tough sell" malarkey. Any decent young manager, with anything about themselves, would jump at the chance.

6.) 13 Apr 2024 16:41:11
A manager looking to rebuild their reputation should be avoided at all costs. Look at the current crop out there who meet that criteria of being sacked and having a poor reputation in need of rebuilding (or in Tuchel’s case on the verge of getting sacked and having an appalling reputation, again), Mourinho, Tuchel, Nagelsmann, Flick, Potter, Conte, Low, Lopetegui and that’s without mentioning the dregs like Gerrard, Lampard, Solsjkear et al.

Not exactly an inspiring list and not one of them is remotely good enough or competent enough for the job for multiple reasons. If we end up with one of that lot then we’d be just as well to write the next 18 months off or more. There are certain managers who don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt or patience.

7.) 13 Apr 2024 21:07:08
I don’t feel it’s a case of being scared, more of a case of timing.
Next man in is going to be compared to Klopp, who won everything except the Europa League (you still never know) .

For some managers on the rise, it’s not the right time. For the likes of Potter it’s a great chance, for Alonso and Amorim there is a lot of risk compared to waiting in the wings.

8.) 13 Apr 2024 21:11:13
Only Amorim knows what’s going on in his head. For me, and going by ITK’s, both him and Alonso are the standout candidates. Well, were because Alonso removed himself from the running - that Amorim is set to become our new manager. As for the attractiveness of our club. That would be totally subjective. What you’re saying might be true in some cases. But then on the other hand, a number of managers would relish the fact a summer clear out is looking likely. Simply because we have a number of talented players they could work around. And funds raised from sells along with a set transfer budget would ensure they get the players they want in order to execute their vision. Now, I could be totally wrong here but I see a bigger clear out then some might be expecting.

Salah turns 32 in a few months. Is still a good player but is naturally on the decline. Plus, this is the last time we could get a good transfer fee for him. In my opinion he is off to Saudi Arabia, and if we can fetch between £100 million - £150 million we have to take sentiments out of it and sell. At the end of the day all good things must come to an end. As for Diaz, his father is doing a press tour about Diaz playing for a Spanish club or a top European club for that matter, which I find strange. I’m at the stage where if a player wants to go just go, no matter who they are. If we can fetch £70 million or thereabouts then sell. So Diaz is another one I see gone this summer. One that might be going under the radar is VVD, who might want to leave this summer. It would be his last chance of a big pay day and I’m sure his agent could drum up interest from one of the top European sides to facilitate that. Plus he turns 33 in July so Edwards and Hughes will most likely sell instead of extending his contract and paying him £200k plus a week, which makes sense.

I see Kostas sold, and his ability and performances means I don’t need to elaborate on the reasons why. Kelleher might ask to leave for the sake of his career. And yes he’s played a lot of games this season but that was down to Allison having a lot of injuries which has never happened since his move from Roma. Not much needs to be said about Thiago, Adrian or Matip as their contracts expire this summer. Tyler Morton and Carvalho could be given a chance but equally they might come back after tasting first team football and ask to leave if interest from other clubs is there. Or it might not be their decisions if Edwards and Hughes feel they could get good money for both. Another thing is we keep getting linked to DM’s, which could be media rubbish. But if it is Amorim coming in and if the media noise is true then he might bring one with him. Personally I would be happy with Endo and Bajcetic but if a DM is brought in we might cash in on Endo, which will not go down well with a large number of the fanbase, although I trust them those in charge in whatever they decide to do. Edwards and Hughes might be thinking we could make some profit on him when you factor in age (31) and low fee paid to bring him in. Then lastly there is Konate. He has all the attributes to be a good defender but whenever you think he is kicking on his lapse in concentration rears it’s ugly head. Not to mention the fact you can’t rely on him as a first choice CB due to his consistent injuries. If PSG who he has spoken about decide to come in for him this summer I see him gone.

All speculation of course. But whatever happens in the summer, I’m actually very positive. Safe to say exciting times ahead with Edwards, Hughes and hopefully Amorim.

9.) 13 Apr 2024 21:22:08
FPF, record breaking revenues? Don’t Utd& City both have higher revenues in the PL alone? Pretty sure Barcelona and Real have higher too so not sure what records are being broken.

10.) 13 Apr 2024 21:33:47
In just the same vein Amorim, or any other manager on the up as you say might have a rubbish season next year, stick falls and he is never mentioned for the top jobs ever again.

Contrary to what many are saying, the fact that following Klopp will inevitably be difficult kind of gives successors and bit of a free pass. Amorim and Alonso could come here and fail and it would be out down to Klopp hangover rather than any issue on their part.

Whereas if they stay at lower clubs now they might completely screw it up next year and never get mentioned for the top clubs again. No, when the top clubs come calling you go for it. I reckon the only reason Alonso isn't is that he is waiting for Madrid but he might not get it if he gets Leverkusen relegated next year. ?.

11.) 13 Apr 2024 23:24:09
Fuser, you can break your own revenue records too.

As for City’s revenue - less said the better.

12.) 13 Apr 2024 23:28:32
Ron - sounds like another way of describing being scared :)

By the same token, these managers that are hoping to rebuild their reputations would have pretty poor judgement to take a job whereby the fanbase is split on their ability and reputation.

13.) 13 Apr 2024 18:22:29
Load of nonsense, any manager who is worth their salt will want this job. If Amorim would rather stay at sporting then he’s not a manager worth his salt, so isn’t worth the LFC job.

14.) 14 Apr 2024 01:12:04
Maybe he might be happy and settled where he and his family are.

15.) 14 Apr 2024 03:48:36
Good post, alonso1786, and ill add that the exit of some/ all of those players might provide a tempting war chest for the next manager. Salah and Diaz could possibly add as much as 200m between them which, if reinvested, would be a carrot on a stick for most managers.

16.) 14 Apr 2024 08:55:10
@Andyjh83 - so Alonso “is not worth his salt”?

Unusual take but you do you.

17.) 14 Apr 2024 09:45:58
Konate is world class, in my opinion, people forget how young he is, and that he's already played a great world cup campaign. Injuries are an issue, and yes he loves his home town club, but why on earth would anyone want to sell such a great player?

VVD-Real would likely wait until he's out of contract and it will be interesting in general, to see how Edwards manages the potential clear out that are you talking about Alonso.

Endo has been a revelation, why on earth would anyone want to sell him? He has given his heart and soul in most games. He is a legend in the making.

18.) 14 Apr 2024 19:25:32
I have a feeling we won’t get him, as people have said he has more to lose coming to us than staying in Portugal. Knowing FSG they’ll go for Gary O’Neil or Graham Potter.

19.) 14 Apr 2024 23:38:54
More to lose coming to us than staying in Portugal? ah here, either these people want to be footballing legends or they dont. Who turns down liverpool to stay in Portugal?

20.) 15 Apr 2024 07:25:53
I just keep thinking back to our former player - Alonso - turning us down to stay at Leverkussen.

Once that happened then anything is possible and nothing is certain.

There’s a reason Xabi turned us down. For CL with Leverkussen is what some people say. So he prefers that to CL with Liverpoool?
Building a team in Leverkussen - he’s only been there 1 full season.

There’s another reason we’re not being told.

21.) 15 Apr 2024 10:03:18
How about he just doesn’t want to manage Liverpool next season @Ron?

22.) 15 Apr 2024 13:19:41
Alonso just won Leverkusen's 1st ever league title at the first time of asking and has not lost a game all season - AND it's his first full season managing a senior team. There is absolutely no way you can compare that to someone like Amorim, who is in his 2nd senior management role, has previously won the league with his team, and could bow out with a league and cup double.

Alonso made the right decision for him at the time, and I completely understand why. He also came out and said "I'm staying", whereas Amorim has said "I don't want to discuss it right now".

01 Jan 2024 14:02:08
Are Liverpool interested in Michael olise?

Thanks ed.

{Ed002's Note - Michael Olise (RW/AM) PSG and Manchester City want him as cover although the departure of Mahrez will mean more opportunities now, the position is effectively Foden's. If de Bruyne or Silva were to depart, he becomes an option again. Crystal Palace has no real interest in selling but know that Chelsea want to take Olise back to Stamford Bridge and Olise has made clear that one day he wants to be playing with his brother. Down the list of AM players Chelsea want but they will perhaps push for him. His representative has said no other clubs have made an approach for Olise - but maybe Klopp's obsession with Chelsea Academy players will continue.}

1.) 01 Jan 2024 23:13:12
If Chelsea don’t know what to do with them then why not? ??‍♂️.

21 Dec 2023 02:54:26
Hi ed,

Nacional are reporting klopp has been chatting to laporta to replace xavi in the summer. Any truth to that?

Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Xavi Hernandez (C) It would be a surprise if he will see the season out. Laporta has previously approached Jurgen Klopp through Marc Kosicke and would likely enquire again but it does not seem likely anything will happen. I would discount Pep Guardiola as well. Girona's Michel Sanchez would be another who Barcelona could look to. Deco has a preferred option in Roberto De Zerbi that he has shared with Yuste and Laporte.}

1.) 21 Dec 2023 13:03:42
Have you had a chance to watch Leverkusen this season at all Ed? And if so do you rate Alonso as a coach?

Haven’t watched them at all but certainly seems to be doing well.

{Ed002's Note - Alonso is doing really well this season and he is on the list of options for Real Madrid.}

2.) 21 Dec 2023 13:21:34
Alonso is the man I want to succeed Klopp. He plays exciting football, his team scores a lot of goals. And importantly, his team racks up 3 points after 3 points, week in week out. They quite possibly could break up the two team or should I say one team stronghold and win the league.

3.) 21 Dec 2023 20:53:28
I don't see anything but Klopp extending with us. He's not going to leave this developing team without seeing us realize our potential. Jmo.

4.) 21 Dec 2023 21:16:06
I remember Klopp being asked if he would like to manage in Spain and he said no as he does not speak Spanish.
I think Liverpool will be the last club side Klopp manages I think he has stated he would like the German national job one day.
I think that will be his next job after us then he will be able to take a bit of a step back from everyday work.

5.) 24 Dec 2023 12:10:16
I would still be wary about Alono. As much as I hope he will do well I don’t understand why he’s already a favourite to succeed Klopp after half a season if success. Give people a chance to prove themselves over a few seasons.

{Ed001's Note - it is more than half a season. He performed a minor miracle last season with them too. Before that he did really well with the B team at Sociedad and prior to that he was impressing with Madrid's youth teams. That used to be enough to get a top job like ours. I mean it is more than Paisley did or Fagan. He is favourite because he has stardust sprinkled about him right now, a bit like Guardiola did or Klopp in his early days. When you look at the options out there, there are very few that stand out, other than him.}

6.) 24 Dec 2023 13:33:08
Great passer, great vision, great guy. Played for Sociedad, Liverpool, Real, Bayern and the best Spanish national team in history. And played under Rafa, Mourinho, Guardiola and Ancelotti. Is there a better football education?

Only thing he missed out on was working with Klopp.

7.) 24 Dec 2023 13:38:26
I fully take your point. But the problem is when such managers don’t deliver (which means winning a major trophy at a club like Liverpool) they are put under immense pressure and are not usually given too much time. I’d say Arteta is an unusual exception even though I don’t see him as a talented manager. Many managers would have done better than him if they had been given that much time. That being said I wish Alonso well and I’ll be right behind him if and when he comes to Liverpool.

8.) 24 Dec 2023 16:49:44
Rather Alonso than Liners. That said I'd prefer Rodgers coming back than Liners. Both similar but at least Rodgers has some pedigree.

9.) 24 Dec 2023 16:50:30
FyI before someone jumps down my throat I absolutely do not want Rodgers to come back and my comparison of him to Linders is intentionally negative.

10.) 26 Dec 2023 06:18:45
I agree Westwood about Rodgers, his ego is his downfall.

11.) 27 Dec 2023 06:45:29
Alonso over Rodgers anyday.

13 Aug 2023 06:10:34
It was about 1.5 - 2 years ago when I said that a young sandro tonali was taking English lessons and also getting personal mentoring from Roberto Baggio.

Despite people saying he would never leave Italy I was pretty sure he would, though I didn't know to who.

I also said malinkovic-Savic was available but Liverpool would need to outbid another teams contract offer.

I also said coutinho was joining way before anyone else did.

I don't get every piece of info correct because football transfer is a fast changing landscape even when you have first hand knowledge. But I share what I do hear and know.

I heard this morning that there would be no point bidding for valverde as he has no interest in coming to Liverpool.

I also heard that we are heavily scouting a CB in Brasil who will succeed VVD though i couldn't get a name. Maybe the eds know?

Nevada.

1.) 13 Aug 2023 07:14:51
Firminos Teeth has got some competition. Keep the vague info coming Nevada.

2.) 13 Aug 2023 07:29:12
That came across more salty than I meant it to be. I was going for light hearted joke. Hope you didn't take offence. Keep the posts coming Nevada and let's see what you got. You could be the real deal and I really hope you are right that a top CB is coming. I'm hoping for Ignacio myself.

Also I love Firminos Teeth. He embraces the rumours site and has a great personality.

3.) 13 Aug 2023 07:38:23
So your only transfer news Nevada is Valverde doesn’t want to come even though we haven’t bid and we want a mystery unnamed CB. It’s amazing you don’t have your own column in the Daily Mirror.

4.) 13 Aug 2023 08:26:00
If mr. x says Liverpool are signing 100s of players every year even he will get 1-2 correct.

5.) 13 Aug 2023 08:40:59
Thanks Nev ?.

6.) 13 Aug 2023 08:56:03
Cheers Nevada ?.

7.) 13 Aug 2023 09:30:16
Well said Davey. Personality good, humour better, Irony best. Go Nev, go FT. Entertain us.

8.) 13 Aug 2023 09:10:04
Virgil Vanaldinho?

9.) 13 Aug 2023 09:12:32
Thanks, Nevada. Ignore the negative responses.

10.) 13 Aug 2023 09:50:27
Guy puts up a rumour and usual suspects slap him down, should change this pages name to Liverpool Absolute Facts Only Page.

11.) 13 Aug 2023 10:59:33
FWIW Murillo at Corinthians looks like a promising LCB.

12.) 13 Aug 2023 11:08:35
You know I gave the information beforehand about previous tips I gave to try and qualify what I was saying. I also then said information is very rarely 100% in transfers until the paperwork is signed.

Those kind of comments are why macca doesn't post anymore and why eds are sometimes reluctant to give details.

The areas in which I get info are serie a (specifically udinese, juventus, Milan and fiorentina) and real Madrid.

I'm a sports psychologist and have worked in italy, USA and currently Philippines. I've worked in soccer, ice hockey and basketball. That's how I get info sometimes and I share it when it's relevant to Liverpool because I'm a fan and I know how thirsty for info fans can be.

You can choose to believe or not believe if you want but I did call a few even eds did - coutinho I called while the eds were saying it was dead in the water.

Side note : despite his rep at Liverpool now coutinho is genuinely quite a nice lad.

I've also got many wrong but I don't post saying we will sign someone unless I think there's a good chance.

Finally I mentioned valverde because some posters asked about him and I happened to know he has no interest in LFC

Hope that clears up things, I'll share whatever I get regardless of the negative responses.

Thanks all and let's **** Chelsea up today

Nevada.

13.) 13 Aug 2023 11:51:19
Nice work Nevada, you post rumours on a rumours site. I do not understand how you can be criticised for that. Most of us appreciate the input but there is always somebody looking to shoot you down.

14.) 13 Aug 2023 11:53:27
Thanks Nevada, most people appreciate it, especially the way you don’t post stuff as ‘facts’ like some dentally-focussed posters do!

I’m sad (but happy to know) about Valverde as he was one I secretly held hope for. Have your sources suggested the same about Tchouameni or does he remain a possibility?

15.) 13 Aug 2023 12:02:34
Keep the info coming Navada, even if you get negative feedback from some “fans”. Positive posts are a breath of fresh air.

16.) 13 Aug 2023 13:27:24
Wait a second Nevada isn't Macca? I was sure it was Macca under an alias.

{Ed001's Note - no.}

17.) 13 Aug 2023 13:34:07
That was a bit intense. Thanks for all the info you pass on, this is an informed rumours site after all.

18.) 13 Aug 2023 15:00:56
I don't know about Tchouameni zed but I will ask. My experience of the Madrid set up and team says no since it's so rare players want to leave even when they're on the fringe. I don't think UK people understand just how much of a draw Madrid really is. I will ask though.

Nevada.

19.) 13 Aug 2023 15:03:17
Oh2bnegativehappydays2 I'm not macca. I don't know who macca really is and I can't confirm how accurate his info was but I can tell you that regardless of how accurate info is until the player signed on the dotted line anything can change. So don't blame macca, me or eds when something doesn't pan out. Its hard to convey just how fluid these things really are.

Nevada.

29 May 2023 23:02:40
I won't say how or why I know but Sergej Milinković-Savić rumour has some truth to it.

All parties are not opposed to that transfer but Liverpool will have to offer a better contract than another club. He will still be very cheap by comparison to premier League midfielders of his ability level.

He is also a very nice guy too.

1.) 30 May 2023 02:40:59
Nice rumour. Thank you Nevada.

2.) 30 May 2023 08:13:14
Personally think he’d be a terrific signing but have my doubts on this one.

3.) 30 May 2023 09:26:43
Isn't he 28 yrs.

4.) 30 May 2023 09:40:13
Ed002 Any truth in these rumours Ed or just more click bait I did see a rumour opposing them with Savić saying he was going to see out his contract and then see from next season.

{Ed002's Note - Sergej Milinkovic-Savic (CM/AM/DM) Will be offered a new contract - if he refuses, which he will, they will only then look to sell. Juventus are very keen as they look to replenish their midfield, but Lazio will seek a huge fee which won't suit Juventus, but realistically his value has halved as he will only have 12 months left on his contract by the summer. Luca Pellegrini or the impressive Nicolo Rovella will be offered in part exchange with perhaps €35M to see if Lazio would be interested. Milan may also look to an agreement but it seems less likely than Juventus but the financial woes in Turin could change that. There was also a discussion with Chelsea but they have other targets. Inter may throw their hat in the ring. Arsenal offer an option but he would likely be an alternative to Declan Rice. West Ham and Newcastle will offer less tempting solutions to the player. Potentially another alternative to Bellingham for Manchester United and Liverpool. Expect Manchester United to declare an interest but Liverpool have other targets.}

5.) 30 May 2023 10:18:01
Hampo, he is but if we get him at his best for 3 years it is well worth it. He's the only midfielder in Europe who is as good as De Bruyne and Odegaard going forward, in my opinion. Rabiot would be cheaper but cheaper for a reason.

6.) 30 May 2023 10:27:27
Is there something that happens if people are 28?

7.) 30 May 2023 10:18:01
Hampo, he is but if we get him at his best for 3 years it is well worth it. He's the only midfielder in Europe who is as good as De Bruyne and Odegaard going forward, in my opinion. Rabiot would be cheaper but cheaper for a reason.

8.) 30 May 2023 10:27:27
Is there something that happens if people are 28?

9.) 30 May 2023 11:37:12
To Hampo and Westwood (on the thread below), we have brought in older players when the deal and the player is right.

Thiago brought in at 28/ 29 for £25m, if we got SMS that would be a similar sort of deal - a great player, in their prime, litte sell on value but also relatively little upfront outlay for a very well regarded player.

If we went for Rabiot, that would smack of a James Milner type deal - experienced pro in their late 20s who has come in on a free.

Both could work, both would be exciting and reasonably good value.

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13 Apr 2024 14:19:13
Going into the Atalanta game I was very surprised to hear klopp describe them as sitting back and holding a low block. It genuinely shocked me because gasperini never plays that way.

I watch quite a lot of Italian footy and that's not how Atalanta have played at any point in the season.

The reason we got beat is we did not prepare properly. based on what klopp said I genuinely think we just made assumptions about the game based on the fact Atalanta is a 'smaller' club and prepared for that game.

I actually found it very dismissive what klopp said pre game. I went into the game expecting a team to press high and break with pace, which is how Atalanta played.

Perhaps it's not the players who have checked out, maybe it's klopp.

1.) 13 Apr 2024 16:04:07
I was really gutted about his comments in the interview with TNT. He was asked if he'd miss European nights at Anfield and in short, he basically said he wouldn't. I think he's ready to call it a day already. Feels like he's staying until the summer as a courtesy with comments like that.

I really hope he can find another couple of months of energy and charisma for us.

2.) 13 Apr 2024 16:21:28
Honestly think Klopp is as entitled as they come, says some ridiculous things at times.

3.) 13 Apr 2024 21:47:05
Klopp is human like the rest of us. He’s going to have his good days and his bad days as well as the days he’s grouchy.

Let’s be be honest how many of us have reacted and said something outs of turn or they regret.

Klopps a legend but he’s human.

We all need to stop taking it all too seriously. Even though it was said by a legend himself but football 100% isn’t more important than life or death and anyone who argues it is I’ll call bull s##t.

4.) 13 Apr 2024 22:08:37
Mr Bean with the most ironic post of the year so far.

5.) 13 Apr 2024 23:04:58
Spot on Jk mate.

6.) 13 Apr 2024 23:26:19
Mr Bean. What a goon.

7.) 13 Apr 2024 18:26:44
The energy has gone from Klopp and the other coaches. It was a mistake to announce him leaving as the wheels have come off after an initial boost. The players look like there walking to the end of the season were we still had everything to play for. Really disappointing.

Klopp is a legend but he’s probably stayed a season to long.

8.) 13 Apr 2024 18:46:30
I wasn’t at the game but I watched it.

Klopp was maniacal on the touchline.

Any idea that he has lost his energy or enthusiasm is bunk.

He’s probably sick to death of interviews which is fair enough.

9.) 14 Apr 2024 01:06:15
Klopp out!

Oh wait.

10.) 14 Apr 2024 08:28:01
Why is this breaking news to anyone? Klopp says a lot of dust after games esp. after a lcrushing loss that affects him emotionally hence, not in control of things coming out of his mouth in those moments right after a game. This has always been the case with him. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

11.) 14 Apr 2024 08:59:31
Yeah ok lads, you lot can crawl up mr Klopps arse, the so called legend that’s left you all hanging after signing a contract and not honouring it! Bloke thinks he calls the shots he’s not that great in my opinion, got lucky with salah mane and firmino. Since then he’s won sod all. Couple joke cups on penalties.

12.) 14 Apr 2024 09:07:24
I find it more disappointing that fans are now turning their back on the man after all he has done for this club.
Is it too much to ask to give your unconditional support for the last few weeks he has with us instead of finding snippets to criticise him for?
Maybe next season we will have something to really complain about ?‍♂️. It seems to me Klopp isn’t the only one who has downed tools.

13.) 14 Apr 2024 09:21:18
@Irish the overwhelming majority of fans aren’t turning their back on him.

14.) 14 Apr 2024 09:24:24
The problem is klopp has spoiled us all, the norm now is getting 90 odd points in league going deep in 4 competitions and doing it on a transfer net spend of a lot less than your rivals. This is over achieving not under achieving.
And b4 everybody has a go at me about transfer spending unfortunately the teams that spend the most win the most, that's a fact.
After every defeat it is now what we call in Ireland, a wake (2-3days mourning b4 a funeral) and the reason it is is because we ain't used to it and lot of supporters just can't handle a defeat r a bad run.

15.) 14 Apr 2024 09:29:38
Never really got the obsession with honouring contracts when it comes to football - obvs there is how you handle it, but is a v cut throat business for players and managers.

From a players perspective you can play for years and come from youth team - then get sold / dropped in an instant. Managers can get sacked after bringing a team up leagues or winning trophies after a bad run.

Main bit is how you carry yourself and respect shown when given. I never recall Klopp ever being disrespectful towards club, supporters and can’t doubt effort given - added if think is overrated with legend status, then explain anger that is leaving and being replaced?

Same with anyone’s job - it is an agreement between parties, not ownership from one party. Stress comes with the rewards so if Klopp feels his time is up for whatever reason then based on his service and effort given can’t fault the man.

16.) 14 Apr 2024 09:45:17
Mr bean I’m good with Klopp leaving me hanging mate.

In my eyes Klopp is a legend but I’ve supported this club long before he came and I will long after he goes so I’m not too sure how much hanging he has left me to do.

17.) 14 Apr 2024 09:52:56
I agree WDW ?.

18.) 14 Apr 2024 10:41:02
Klopp has done a lot for the club and for that I'm very thankfully. He's earned his time in the sun and his status at the club but if we are being honest his reign is one of of missed opportunities more than it is of opportunities grabbed.

League cup, 2 Europa league, 1 premier league, 1 champions league

Those are what we should have won that we didn't in my opinion. We like to think of his reign as legendary but in truth it's only legendary by our standards (which were very low) .

Ranieri, dalglish, ancelotti, conte all won the same number of premier league titles (we can prob add arteta to that list soon) I doubt many of us refer to conte or ranieri as legends right?

Some - Jose, pep, fergie, Wenger all won more than klopp.

If we're talking European trophies then klopp is still lagging behind. Losing more finals than he won. He isn't even ahead of benitez on that front. You might even say our one win the champs league we because we met an inferior team in the final. Every time we meet a good team we lose the final (Sevilla, Madrid x 2, city in LC)

He has given a lot to Liverpool and I appreciate him giving us back our prestige but I do also wish we hadn't stumbled and fell over almost every time we got to the finish line.

You can say Madrid blah blah city blah blah but the brutal truth is the best beat the best and we can't quite get past the finish line 70% of the time.

19.) 14 Apr 2024 10:29:24
He’s absolutely a legend, how many LFC managers have won the league and the Champions league (European Cup)?
He deserves his place as a legend - it’s self-evident.

It would be much easier for him to stay at the club, wait to get sacked and then get compensation for his contract.
He gave the club sufficient notice.
He’s not left anyone hanging, he’s got no more to give and is going before it impacts the club.

Poor take by Bean.

20.) 14 Apr 2024 11:06:24
Mr Bean has been "Klopp out" since last season. So no surprises to me that he said what he said. On the contrary, I'm quite impressed by his consistency.

21.) 14 Apr 2024 11:26:39
You sound like such a staunch Liverpool supporter Mr Bean, why would anyone question your logic?

22.) 14 Apr 2024 12:01:52
Say what you want, low standards and all, but for me he's a legend.

23.) 14 Apr 2024 12:03:16
Nevada
Before Klopp, Liverpool hadn’t won a PL in 30 years. Let that sink in. Three generations of mainly not even close to winning. Of course I would have wanted more and maybe under different circumstances ( Man City and all they stand for) we definitely would have but the biggest thing for me was changing the culture of our “ loser” tag into a club that should be competing.
Also, should Klopp have realised the Sh#t show Karius would display in a CL final ?‍♂️.

24.) 14 Apr 2024 12:35:16
*decades.

25.) 14 Apr 2024 15:05:46
Y'all didn't read. I said he's a legend to us in the same way moyes might be a legend to west ham.

What is his competition? A slew of decent cup managers and that's it. By the standards of fergie, wenger, pep and even Jose klopp isn't in that conversation really.

He's not a legend. He's just a legend to us. In two seasons if he just wins one game against city he wins two more titles, that's why I said we always stumble at the finish.

The best characterisation of klopps time if we are being very honest is that it was a very good time in charge but it always fell short of being great.

Would we call fergie a legend if he won united one title, even if it was after 30 years of nothing. no we wouldn't. Is James beattie a legend for winning one golden boot? No of course not.

Klopp is our legend, but not a premier league legend by pretty much any standard. Winning a second title would put him above the one season wonders but it's very unlikely we are getting a title.

26.) 14 Apr 2024 17:11:20
He’s an Anfield legend, he doesn’t work for the premier league.

27.) 14 Apr 2024 20:11:20
If being an anfield legend is your aim then you'll be a very happy football fan. Seems like a low bar to me.

06 Sep 2023 04:29:27
Have to say I'm disappointed in the amount of people who say we can't survive without Salah.

We now have a midfield capable of goals and instead of a despondent and ineffective mane and an injured Bobby we have a left winger who scores goals and three CF who can all score as well. And the effort is there with all of them.

Will any score 20 goals? Probably not but they don't need to. They just need to score 20 goals between them to replace salahs goals. Pretty sure they can do that. And what's better since they all score it's much harder to defend against us now and often it gives Salah extra room.

200m (if they actually offer that) can rebuild the entire defence. And then we are done for a few years, no transfers needed and the rebuild is complete.

Anyone thinking we can have him this year and sell him in a year for 150m is deluded. One year less on contract and one year further into his decline his value will maybe be 50-60% of the current bids. And that's assuming they don't buy someone in his place which they might.

Now salah will be missing for a month anyway and the last time he went to afcon he was very poor upon returning for almost two months.

Imagine he comes back the same, tired and dejected at another failed trophy hunt and then plays badly for two months. His value will be even lower then as people will make the argument that he's over the hill.

I'm not saying rush out and sell him, I'm just saying some fans on here are wildly unrealistic. It's sell now for 150m or get significantly less later. There won't be a 'turn it down now and get the same bid later'.

1.) 06 Sep 2023 06:42:39
ineffective mane, really? He was prob the best finisher out of the 3.
200m is crazy money but Salah contribute so much more then just goals and assists. If we going to sell do it in January so we can get a replacement.

{Ed001's Note - I think he was referring to Mane's final season when he was struggling badly for us because he wanted out.}

2.) 06 Sep 2023 06:42:55
on the same note he could also do really well, win afcon and come back and win us trophies. a game of ifs and buts here.

i am indifferent tbh, if he wants to leave then i say let him leave. but if an offer comes and salah isn't pushing to leave, i see no reason to accept it either.

3.) 06 Sep 2023 06:44:39
The issue is
Can we last till Jan or even summer with our 4 front line players? They are good but not great yet
And for those mooting Szboslai to play on the right, wouldn’t we be cutting his effectiveness since he’s much better in CM?
Yes, money is important, but trophies are even more important
I did rather we sell him for lesser next summer and we can properly replace him than to risk going half or full season without someone of his quality and miss out on winning

And who’s to say his replacement will bed in quickly and do as well? Too much risk.

4.) 06 Sep 2023 07:04:06
Selling Salah now would mean we accept not challenging for the league this season. If we are sure we can’t challenge for the league even with him, then we may as well sell him for that absurd amount as I think we have enough, barring injuries, to challenge for everything else on offer. We will get top 4 without a doubt.
I don’t want to sell Salah, however, just because he’s been and continues to be an utterly incredible player for us - easily our best ever player in the PL era (yes, above Gerrard) . He owes us nothing, however, and whatever he does I will wish him well. Icon.

5.) 06 Sep 2023 07:24:15
However you dress it up the 4 remaining forwards are not top level. They are all decent but not at Salah’s level or even close. They don’t have to just get 20 PL goals and a further 15 assists to replace Salah. They need to get those numbers on top of their own contribution. The 4 atm probably need north of 45 PL goal’s between them for us to challenge and now you’re asking them to get a min 65 PL goals. No chance.

6.) 06 Sep 2023 07:25:38
Yup. Please don't sell him now. Wait for the next transfer window, then replace him with Vinicius haha.

{Ed001's Note - Vinicius will not leave Madrid, that is his dream to play for them. So long as they continue to show him support over the abuse he will stay.}

7.) 06 Sep 2023 07:26:51
Nevada, Mane scored 23 goals in his last season, hardly ineffective. While our new goal scoring midfielders have scored 1 . I do agree that £200 million is a lot of money to turn down tho.

8.) 06 Sep 2023 07:48:25
If people had the (theoretical) option of the following 2, which would you choose.

1. A really close title challenge, maybe winning the league if luck goes with us.

2. Selling Salah and only just challenging for a UCL spot.

Difficult to quantify Salah's worth to the team, but I suspect it will be the difference between an extra 10 - 20 points with thek ey goal and assists he gets.

9.) 06 Sep 2023 08:11:39
Me just dreaming Ed01. I really like him.

10.) 06 Sep 2023 08:13:19
Who has said we can't survive without Salah? Do we want to just survive anyway?
If we sell Salah we should do it when we have a replacement or replacements. Diaz, Jota, Nunez, Gakpo, Szob or Doak are not replacements because we already have them.

11.) 06 Sep 2023 08:43:43
I couldn’t give a hoot about the money on offer, Salah is an elite player who we are lucky to have honestly we must be the only fans concerned with balancing the books and scraping top 4 as opposed to challenging for the title.

These reported figures are also so wide of the mark. we will never get £200m because the Saudis offers are nothing close to that, last offer was reported as £150m however only £100m was guaranteed with the rest in rediculous add ons like winning the world club cup.

Even on the preface that we got this phantom £200m what do we do with it? Window is now closed and the level of players which we should be targeting is not going to be available in Jan and there are no guarantees in the summer that we will be able to offer champions league football or that elite players will want us over others.

Also I would be very suspicious of these owners, if we had £200m in the bank you can be damn sure that there hand wouldn’t reach there pocket for the next 3 years and we would be operating on the transfer fee alone and not having any additional transfer kitty on top! This would not be some sort of windfall this would be a get out of jail free card for FSG to no invest.

12.) 06 Sep 2023 09:01:45
If players like Dom and Alexis can be scouted, bought and integrated into the first team as they have, then anything is possible, especially with 300m and a decent youth set up.
Mo is an elite player, although not at the pre afcon levels, which was on par with Ronaldo and Messi.
FSG's M. O means they have to consider a large fee for a player that will otherwise leave on a free.
Mo will get even bigger wages if he waits until the end of the contract, so for him it likely doesn't matter.
This situation is going to require kid gloves.

13.) 06 Sep 2023 11:43:03
Take the £150m and offer Brighton £100m for Ferguson. Put Ferg up front and move Nunez to RW.

14.) 06 Sep 2023 12:42:50
Whydo you wish to move Nunez to RW when he is at his deadly best playing through the middle and between the defenders RedTed.

15.) 06 Sep 2023 12:59:58
Didn't Nunez score 2 from inside right channel the other week? Wing would work IMHO.

01 Sep 2023 10:27:45
Since he left we've heard nothing but complaints about not replacing gini.

Gravenberch is the new gini. Similar skill set (I'd argue he's a more gifted player than Gini) similar utility and also high energy.

I don't understand the clamour for a dedicated DM when our best midfield didn't have one. It was three hard working high energy high pressing midfielders closing space together.

We have that again now.

Nevada.

1.) 01 Sep 2023 10:36:15
Never really understood the ‘never replaced Gini’ brigade. Think it was just another catchphrase to cling onto.

2.) 01 Sep 2023 11:14:32
Wasn't Fabinho a dedicated DM @Nevada?

3.) 01 Sep 2023 12:02:13
Bayern signd him for £15 mill from Ajax and gave him percisely ZERO minutes on the pitch and still got £35 mill from LFC. If LFC wanted him we would have gotten him in June.

4.) 01 Sep 2023 12:14:37
Nevada according to Ed01 at the time, Gini's replacement was Thiago since we were already moving away from the all out high press to the possession style. His words, not mine.

5.) 01 Sep 2023 13:04:26
Zero minutes on the pitch for Bayern? I didn't know that, Habibi.

6.) 01 Sep 2023 14:14:02
Rigsby, Gravenberch played games for Bayern last season. Not just as much as he would like or as much as his judged talent should have played.

7.) 01 Sep 2023 14:14:14
24 appearances for Bayern according to wikipedia.

8.) 01 Sep 2023 14:33:56
@thekoparmy yeah he was but I don't see that as our best midfield. I always felt like Fab changed the balance of the midfield too much and left too much on his shoulders.

18 Aug 2023 04:26:39
Why is Edwards held in such poor regard here?

He regularly got way over market value for players being sold. Negotiated fast and hard for players coming in and quite often got exactly what we needed.

It's my understanding the old over paid squad was because of klopp. If the manager tells you he doesn't want new players and instead wants to retain the ones he has, and those players just recently won every trophy possible then your hands are tied. You will end up giving big contracts to players because your manager has made it clear to those players that they will be staying.

Doesn't seem like Edwards did much wrong but if his treatment inside the club was the same as outside I can see why he left.

Am I wrong here? Maybe ed001 can give me a different perspective?

Nevada.

{Ed001's Note - he did neither, he regularly lumbered us with players that could not be sold because he asked too much and he rarely got the players in that we needed. He was far too weak and allowed Klopp to overrule him. You are way off mate.

You are forgetting he was the director above Klopp and could have sold players or simply refused their wage demands to force a sale rather than overpay them. He was abysmal and promoted way over his competence level. Not his fault, it was the club's. He had no experience or skill in the area he was being asked to work in. He is a stats man and should have stayed in a role that used his skills - which are excellent in that area.}

1.) 18 Aug 2023 04:50:04
Ed1 - you mentioned elsewhere that Klopp basically wanted to hold onto players. I’d that is the case, Im wondering how effective he would have been had he been able to just do the job of recruiting, adjusting squad with less influence from Klopp? I think this might be what you’re saying by the previous reply.

My take on edwards is that he built on over sized, ageing, overpaid squad and struggled to sort out some of our youth with effective loans and sales. But given the influence of Klopp, I feel like his data led approach would have meant more turnover in the squad and potentially even more unearthed gems. Bit hypothetical, but what’s your take on that?

{Ed001's Note - I agree it is likely that he would have wanted a smaller squad etc, but he was a big part of the problem with selling them as he believed, like Nevada does, that he was successful at selling players for over the odds. It wasn't his skill that did that, it was circumstances which presented the likes of Howe (who ended up giving up his involvement in recruitment due to being so poor at it) on a plate to Edwards. Once that was gone, Edwards was hopeless and just ended up keeping hold of players that never even played.

Again, I have to point out that any interference from Klopp is something he was in a position to deal with. He was the director over Klopp. It was his weakness that allowed Klopp to overrule him, rather than, as it should have been, him overruling Klopp.}

2.) 18 Aug 2023 07:29:15
And to add to that, Ed. It was common knowledge on here that Edwards would price players that needed to go like Ox, Naby or even Markovic out of moves instead of just taking what we could get for them, clear the wages off the books and make space for new players.

I remember not being able to get why we kept sending Markovic on stupid loans for the final years of the deal to Anderlecht and Sporting for ex whereas he was of no use to us. He would even be sent back in midsession and we would still keep him.

I’m not even bashing Edwards cos he did some good things but this is where the saying, “Correlation is not Causation” gets you. Cos the time he left coincided with our struggles in the window does not mean our success was down to him alone. As we are discovering now, he was a big part of the problem. Those building a statue for him need to put down their tools and look at the other side of the coin.

3.) 18 Aug 2023 07:46:46
Also have to wonder what kind of mad bonuses we were putting in players contracts under Edwards because it’s crazy that we had the 2nd highest wage bill despite City and United regularly giving out 400k a week and Chelsea having a squad of 293.

4.) 18 Aug 2023 07:47:50
Thanks for the reply ed.

I can see what you're saying about circumstances but even the circumstances of coutinho sale still didn't force the 144m price or the negotiation of a premium should Barcelona try to buy another player from us, those things are Edwards surely?

Also there players like solanke, ibe who were sold way above their value.

It's not an easy job and if you make selling players easy to facilitate their move then you'll often get your pants pulled down.

You mind if I ask you for an example of a DOF who you feel is the example to follow?

{Ed001's Note - the Barca that paid 150m for Dembele even though he went on a runner you mean? You think that getting a high price from them took good work from Edwards? Solanke and Ibe were both sold to Howe are you not even bothering to read my replies and understand them? If so I am wasting my time.

It is all very well saying that you don't want to get your pants pulled down but you also don't want Keita and Oxlade-Chamberlain taking 20m a year out of the club removing that money from potential spending.

The guy at Newcastle right now who was at Brighton is probably a good example.}

5.) 18 Aug 2023 07:48:41
The players we sold were all to two teams right? Palace and Bournemouth both of whom we ripped. other places it wasn't that good. and Coutinho ofcourse. thank you barca.

6.) 18 Aug 2023 08:23:22
Who on earth gives a stats keyboard jockey the keys to the til? .

Amazing if, and I assume it is, true. Cheers Ed01.

7.) 18 Aug 2023 08:31:22
There are very few examples of players we sold at a profit to the definition of “FSG only buy low to sell high for profit”.
Go past Coutinho and a couple others, then it’s crickets.

8.) 18 Aug 2023 08:48:13
If a sporting director is senior to the club first team coach / manager, who would you rather lose in the event that their relationship sours?
I don't care what the management hierarchy structure looks like on paper, in practice it's Klopp uber alles.

9.) 18 Aug 2023 09:19:28
Juicer, be careful what you wish for. Sometimes I get a sense we're moving into a "late Wenger" phase at the club. Too much control in the hands of too few.
I don't subscribe to the theory that Klopp has credit in the bank. He's used what he has earned (same goes for Salah while I'm at it) .
In LFC we trust. No one else is bigger.

10.) 18 Aug 2023 09:40:42
Why is Salah always dragged into these conversations? Struggling to know how he’s used up all of his credit when he’s never had a bad season. Him and Ali are the only ones blameless for last year.

11.) 18 Aug 2023 09:46:50
Delvecs, you are not the only one with this opinion. I have seen other fans saying this as well. Now keep in mind that about 12 to 18 months ago, a lot of fans like Juicer, were saying Klopp should have more control over transfers and he should just be given whatever he wants, come hell or high water. If that is what is happening then, this is what you get: A Wenger situation.

Like you I have never subscribed to that notion of that a manager should be given whatever he wants regardless. That literally does not exist in any successful, well-run club. If this is the way we are headed then, people who were wanting Klopp to get whatever he wants and be given more power than the huge amount he already wields WILL get exactly what they deserve and they are not going to like it.

As the great philosopher Kanye West said, "No one man should have all that power".

12.) 18 Aug 2023 09:51:19
Delvecs, are you deciding that Klopp and Salah have no credit in the bank? What qualifies you to do that?

13.) 18 Aug 2023 10:24:06
Then when the club wants to move players on, due to the high wages other clubs refuse to meet their demands. And the player obviously won't accept a cut in salary. Catch 22.

14.) 18 Aug 2023 11:07:47
Gaga then, the solution is that we negotiate better wages on their contracts so they can be easier to be moved on, should your theory be the case. Now if this cannot happen, if an offer comes for them and the club is ruthless and tells them that they have no future here, the players will have to think twice before just sitting here and collecting their wages.

Players of this level have some pride too and want to play and perform too a the end of the day, I think.

15.) 18 Aug 2023 11:09:37
We definitely overpaid that squad.

And what did we get in return.

Champions league
Premier league
World club cup
Fa cup
League cup
Numerous finals
90 plus point league finishes.

Bloody bonus payments should have been paid to shareholders instead.

16.) 18 Aug 2023 11:51:35
Correct JK23. The trophies speak for themselves.

17.) 18 Aug 2023 12:02:50
JK23 - Either you’ve completely missed the point, or are simply ignoring the context of this thread. No one is debating the achievements that squad brought to the club, but what is also not debatable is that a few members offered little return on the enormous financial commitment afforded to them (Keita, Oxlade-Chamberlain) . They were overpaid, and kept around because of a general incompetence of the club in its transfer dealings. Had that money been recovered, we may have had more money to offer a competitive wage to a world class player (Liverpool clearly don’t care about transfer fees - it’s wages that are the problem), who may have then helped us to have 2 PL titles, 2CLs and the rest. Keita and Oxlade-Chamberlain offered close to absolutely zero towards the brilliant exploits of the rest of the squad.

18.) 18 Aug 2023 12:23:34
Lowe I’ll be honest I didn’t read all of the thread as I was rushed this morning mate.

In regards to missing the point I might have missed yours but my reply was my point so I believe I’ve not missed anything in conjunction with my own opinion.

In regards to Keita and Ox no one can argue that they don’t contribute as much as they should have.

Not sure if true though but were both given extended contracts on better wages during their time here or were they the agreed wages and contracts when initially signing them?

19.) 18 Aug 2023 12:39:17
Sorry just to clarify my point. The club decided to put all the squad of big incentivised bonus’s depending on success.

The squad did what was asked for them and I believe the club got it nailed on. Why pay players unless they are producing the success on the pitch.

Only minor Problem was whilst 90% of the squad were contributing massively on the pitch the other 10% were also collecting the bonuses off it.

20.) 18 Aug 2023 12:55:53
OliRed in a round about way that was my point. You made the issue far better than I did.

21.) 18 Aug 2023 13:58:09
No, Rigby, that's not what I'm saying and hence my lack of qualification doesn't come into it (thank goodness) .

Fyi, what Olired said (better) .

22.) 18 Aug 2023 14:34:14
delvecs, what did you mean when you posted 'I don't subscribe to the theory that Klopp has credit in the bank. He's used what he has earned (same goes for Salah while I'm at it) '.

23.) 18 Aug 2023 14:50:14
He uses the credit he has earned, is my point Rigby (with the tactical mistakes and seemingly excessive influence he has)

He shouldn't be deified for life for the extraordinary contribution he has made (the In Klopp We Trust brigade) .

Hope this is clear to you now. Everyone is bored and has moved on. Do so too.

24.) 18 Aug 2023 18:00:32
delvecs, how can he use the credit he has earned if he has none left?
Imo, Klopp and Salah both still have credit in the bank. Their achievements grant them this, from my point of view.
If you want to do what Coutts did to Farage, that's ok but you can't sack Klopp or drop Salah.

25.) 18 Aug 2023 21:14:22
Interesting thread. Would love a review of Edwards overall Liverpool input from you Ed 1. I'm kinda on your side due to wages debacle. Know your probably too busy but most fans I know see him as some sort of demi god.

{Ed001's Note - I will do something on it when I get a chance mate.}

13 Aug 2023 06:02:04
The funds are clearly there now.

We were interested in gravenberch and Bayern will sell if they get their money back. He has the skillset we need in a position we are looking for and is significantly cheaper than 110m and also fits the clubs younger players with sell on value ethos.

Buy gravenberch, then pay inacio buy out clause then we are done.

This should have been the plan from the start. Gravenberch is cheaper than both caicedo and lavia has no attitude problems or crazy wage demands and has already played for two big European clubs.

Nevada.

1.) 13 Aug 2023 06:54:15
The club will do the deal whoever the manager wants and it may not even be for the players you nor I mention on here.

2.) 13 Aug 2023 07:29:49
I thought he is looking for guarantees of playing time and his wages are very high?

I haven't seen him play but I also read he is more of a versatile midfielder rather than a DM. Is he a good DM?

3.) 13 Aug 2023 07:40:54
No he is not a DM @Sean. We should simply buy a DM.

4.) 13 Aug 2023 07:41:40
Gravenberch is cheaper for a reason. And Bayern happy to get their money back for him sounds slightly ominous too.

5.) 13 Aug 2023 08:32:38
I think we have another factor to consider along with ‘manager wants player’, ‘clubs do a deal’.

That is, increasingly, can we sell the vision to convince the player to join our club.

{Ed025's Note - you should not have to convince anyone to come Ron, you are still one of the biggest clubs in Europe mate and players should want to crawl over broken glass to join you imo..

6.) 13 Aug 2023 08:52:46
But they don’t Ed25.

Caicedo
Bellingham
Lavia
Gvardiol

Time to get used to the reality.

{Ed025's Note - they are not for you then Ron, minimum requirement must be that they want to be at your club mate..

7.) 13 Aug 2023 09:02:05
Ed025, as much as I wish that were true I believe it’s all about the money and lifestyle these days unfortunately. Especially when agents are making players decisions just to line their own pockets. There is too much money in football nowadays, which creates greed, just my opinion.

{Ed025's Note - its my opinion as well Mushroom..

8.) 13 Aug 2023 09:11:52
Thanks ed025
It really should be like you said
We should be a highlight of their careers
Not a stepping stone, not a ‘oh I didn’t get to XYZ so I did settle for Liverpool’
No disrespect but some clubs in the PL are stepping stones or the highest ceiling for some players, but we are big and good enough to always attract the best players and their prime and if they don’t see that I’m happy to move on.

9.) 13 Aug 2023 09:13:48
@Ron, I am pretty sure Gvardiol won't have said no to us, had we decided to bid for him. He had, on multiple occassions, stated his desire to join us. Unfortunately, we didn't prioritise his signing, given our urgent midfield needs.

10.) 13 Aug 2023 09:45:23
Ed, Any truth in the rumour that Lavia and Caicedo changed their minds about coming to Merseyside once they realised the Grafton had long since closed down?

11.) 13 Aug 2023 10:40:52
Your list is rubbish Ron. Gvardiol has stated on numerous occasions his dream club is Liverpool. At the time we couldn’t afford the overall Bellingham package. We couldn’t pay him Salah wages. As for Lavia we are his first choice but we won’t pay the fee just yet.

12.) 13 Aug 2023 10:57:33
We didn’t. bid enough for Lavia, we weren’t bidding at all for Gvardiol, Bellingham was just too expensive for us.
So just Caicedo then.

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30 Mar 2024 06:01:15
I once bumped into nagelsmann while working in Germany. He's a very very underrated manager, he tries to play to the strength of the players he has and wants to score goals. He's also very flexible and willing to learn.

We had a chat for about 20 minutes or so and he asked which team I follow, when i said Liverpool he said "beautiful team, historic"

So I think the thing about him disrespecting the club is bull to be honest.

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18 Mar 2024 00:57:09
I actually agree with looking at inzaghi. Inter play great football, very positive and he's quite a galvanizing character.

If the reason against is 'doesnt know the English game' you'd be surprised at how much he loves the premier league and respects the way the game is played here, he's also a very big Liverpool fan too.

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18 Mar 2024 00:52:32
By that same rationale why not just share with lots of teams in the northwest. Bring the whole north west together, bring cities together it can be state of the art with great transport links and host loads of events there, it would be the envy of everyone else to see how together the north west is, imagine United, Everton, Liverpool, city all sharing one stadium . Really would bring the people together. Great for the area.

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15 Aug 2023 07:24:34
So when FSG put in bids above a player's value that's no good.

When they buy cheaper players they are scraping the bargain barrel

What you're telling us is that whatever they do you won't approve of it. Have you tried supporting madrid, Bayern or Chelsea? They splash cash all the time and are constantly buying new players maybe you would be happier supporting them?

Salah wasn't first choice and was extremely cheap even by today's standards and now he's one of the greatest players in the history of Liverpool. On the flip side one of our most expensive transfers was keita. The price does not denote quality. Stop complaining.

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14 Aug 2023 11:42:58
No. Valverde would not be interested.

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17 Apr 2024 20:01:35
@alonsk1786

I wouldn't say his grasp. of English is good, it's basic. We didn't speak long it was basically just very short chit chat (my Italian is about as good as his English)

Soule has a lot of talent but he's very rough. Personally I wouldn't say he's ready to come to premier league yet. If I were him (or his agent) I'd say stay where his is for a couple of years. Italy is a much better league to recruit attacking players in my opinion because the pressing and marking is very similar to UK. France and Germany is very spacious so it takes a lot of players from those leagues a while to adapt.

He is very gifted with the ball at his feet but he's quite reactionary, I judge players based on how well they read the game since all the talent in the world is nullified by not being able to understand where space and danger will develop.

Hope that helps.

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17 Apr 2024 16:51:24
Gonna have to correct whomever said inzaghi doesn't speak English. It's not fluent and he prefers not to speak it but he does speak English. I know because I was the person he spoke to at a professional event two years ago in Switzerland.

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14 Apr 2024 20:11:20
If being an anfield legend is your aim then you'll be a very happy football fan. Seems like a low bar to me.

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14 Apr 2024 15:05:46
Y'all didn't read. I said he's a legend to us in the same way moyes might be a legend to west ham.

What is his competition? A slew of decent cup managers and that's it. By the standards of fergie, wenger, pep and even Jose klopp isn't in that conversation really.

He's not a legend. He's just a legend to us. In two seasons if he just wins one game against city he wins two more titles, that's why I said we always stumble at the finish.

The best characterisation of klopps time if we are being very honest is that it was a very good time in charge but it always fell short of being great.

Would we call fergie a legend if he won united one title, even if it was after 30 years of nothing. no we wouldn't. Is James beattie a legend for winning one golden boot? No of course not.

Klopp is our legend, but not a premier league legend by pretty much any standard. Winning a second title would put him above the one season wonders but it's very unlikely we are getting a title.

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14 Apr 2024 10:41:02
Klopp has done a lot for the club and for that I'm very thankfully. He's earned his time in the sun and his status at the club but if we are being honest his reign is one of of missed opportunities more than it is of opportunities grabbed.

League cup, 2 Europa league, 1 premier league, 1 champions league

Those are what we should have won that we didn't in my opinion. We like to think of his reign as legendary but in truth it's only legendary by our standards (which were very low) .

Ranieri, dalglish, ancelotti, conte all won the same number of premier league titles (we can prob add arteta to that list soon) I doubt many of us refer to conte or ranieri as legends right?

Some - Jose, pep, fergie, Wenger all won more than klopp.

If we're talking European trophies then klopp is still lagging behind. Losing more finals than he won. He isn't even ahead of benitez on that front. You might even say our one win the champs league we because we met an inferior team in the final. Every time we meet a good team we lose the final (Sevilla, Madrid x 2, city in LC)

He has given a lot to Liverpool and I appreciate him giving us back our prestige but I do also wish we hadn't stumbled and fell over almost every time we got to the finish line.

You can say Madrid blah blah city blah blah but the brutal truth is the best beat the best and we can't quite get past the finish line 70% of the time.