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29 Sep 2019 12:05:05
morning all.

Quick question ed2. Any interest from us in David Neres.

If so, do you rate him at all?

ta very much.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note -
It has been suggested that Liverpool will look to David Neres (LW/RW) although I am not aware of any approach from Liverpool - if they were to declare interest it would likely be at the expense of Salah or Mane - and not in addition to. Other sides retain an interest but none have really bitten. A couple of the interested sides have coaches who may well move on and that might well see interest move on as well.}


1.) 29 Sep 2019 14:40:59
Thanks ed.


2.) 30 Sep 2019 12:36:05
Ed can you explain why it would be in place of one of the front three and not as a rotation/ competition of them? Its a big highlight that is often referred to what if we lose one of our front three to long term injury. Im not suggeting we but a player simply for injury cover however there is plenty of football to be played every year to accomdate a fourth top player to rotate into those positions. Origi is a good impact sub but not a starter and Brewster is only a kid still and has a lot of learning to do before he challenges the front three to start weekly.

It doesn't stack up that we can't have this without having to lose one of these players. If you compare central midfield for instant we have more than three players there that are all first team worthy.

Keita
Hendo
Ox
Milner
Gini
Fabinho
Shaq

All these for three positions so why not more options for the front line in the shape of a proven top level player.

{Ed002's Note - Why would any of those players move to sit on the bench to provide cover?}


3.) 30 Sep 2019 12:45:32
To rotate and play regular like the midfield 3 do? We must play 60plus games during a season.


4.) 30 Sep 2019 13:11:38
i used to disagree with the eds on their stance that there isn't room for another great rotating player in the front 3, but it's (finally) becoming clear to me that klopp prefers a short bench and likes playing guys that he trusts. he has the firepower that he needs in mane, firmino, and salah, and has cover for them with origi and shaqiri, and extended cover for them with lallana, keita, brewster, and elliott.


5.) 30 Sep 2019 19:09:56
If it was as a replacement, then it's an absolute no go, as Neres is not fit to replace either Salah nor Mane. If he was to move to be a rotation player (which I agree with Ed002 regarding why would he want to move to be a rotation player) then I can see some merit for it from a Liverpool standpoint. I just think that there are better players around for less money than Neres.


6.) 30 Sep 2019 21:43:21
I just don’t agree that every time a front player is linked it’s automatically suggested it’s a replacement. There is plenty of football for a four option and plenty of clubs that play a front 3 that have 4 or more options.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool also have Origi, Brewster and others who are in exactly the same boat.}


7.) 02 Oct 2019 00:30:41
Time for Salah to move I think . Don’t really emirate mane either. As long as bobby doesn’t t go as he’s clearly out best player with vvd.


8.) 02 Oct 2019 08:52:24
@SG8 please tell me I’m missing the sarcasm in the don’t rate mane and Salah needs to move comments!

Salah is currently off form and trying too hard to score which is affecting his (already questionable) decision making but that just needs Klopp to have a word and start subbing him.

Mane has been one of our most consistent players who even when he’s having a hard time works incredibly hard for our team!

The only team in the prem that wouldn’t want these players is city and that’s because the have players equal in ability already that better fit their style of play.


9.) 02 Oct 2019 14:35:24
Man City have Mahrez, sane and Jesus who would get into any team below top four as bench players. Players like mahrez who is top quality do move to sit on bench becaus they love the money. So we would have to pay ridiculous wages for them to do that and that ain’t happening. Peope hype up that Foden and he never even gets any minuites, just an rubbish cameo.

{Ed002's Note - Rubbish - where do you get this nonsense?}


10.) 04 Oct 2019 09:03:59
Not sure about David Neres. Seems a bit hit and miss just like his buddy Hakim Ziyech. Neres was pretty poor at the Copa America and got rightly benched after the first two games and never saw the field after that. Everton took his place and had a blinder. I think we can do netter than him BUT if Klopp and his team want him then, I'm all in cos Neres is very talented.


11.) 04 Oct 2019 09:50:15
This isn't football manager where we can just pick and choose signings. We can't just say we need strong backups and expect that any top talent would want to join us currently when we've got such a clear first choice attack. Neres wouldn't want to spend most of his time on the bench when he can probably fancy himself to be a starter for nearly ever other club in Europe.


12.) 05 Oct 2019 07:07:49
Hey SG8greatest, in regards to your comment

"As long as bobby doesn’t t go as he’s clearly out best player"

He left in early September:
Bobby Duncan to Fiorentina

I have only just recovered!


13.) 05 Oct 2019 11:08:09
SG8greatest. ' you don't rate Mane and you think its time for Salah to go. Come on mate that's surley a wind up. or your clueless. Mane is a World Class player that any team in the world would love to have.


 

 

02 Sep 2019 12:51:59
Afternoon eds.

You said Ryan Kent was likely to move, and now he's off to Rangers.

Do you know if this true? £6 million ish. Not bad for an ok player who will probably have a good carear at a slightly lesse club than ours.

Have a good day all.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - I would expect him to move - Rangers if the deal can be agreed.}


1.) 02 Sep 2019 13:09:43
Hope works out for him - was unlikely to play for us so good luck to the lad and Rangers win something with him and Ojo.


2.) 02 Sep 2019 13:25:23
Thanks ed2.


3.) 02 Sep 2019 16:08:23
Good move for the lad. i think this move was always going to happen, there was always room for compromise. no need for the little tantrums during the summer. Best of luck to him anyway, and another good deal by the club.


 

 

27 Aug 2019 11:39:29
Morning ed2. Hope all is well.

Dont know if you have answered this but a few reports saying Bobby Duncan could be on his way to Fioretina.

A loan with option to buy. £10million. Seems a lot.

ta very much from a hot and sticky west country.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool may well see Ryan Kent, Herbie Kane and Bobby Duncan leave in the coming days as all want to move on. It is the result of young players having expectations that they are ready to step up to the first team when they are not. It is a blight hitting many English sides and it is exasperated by the bringing in of youngsters from abroad. German clubs are sending scouts to numerous English youth sides as they look to cherry pick the best players. And yes, Fiorentina want to take Duncan.

It is indeed humid outside in the South West.}


1.) 27 Aug 2019 12:12:43
If those playets go along with others we have sold, that should add up to quite a lot pennies.

Do you see any of the players mentioned worth keeping?

{Ed002's Note - I don't know enough about the youngsters beyond reputation - and I understand that Duncan is expected to do well - whether or not they will eventually be good enough to play for Liverpool is another matter. Clearly Gerrard thinks enough of Kent to continue to look to sign him - and he is certainly for sale. Fiorentina are chasing Duncan and would like a loan to buy - but Liverpool will likely block the move. Kane seems to attracting the interest of much lower tier sides who want him on loan - Portsmouth, Coventry and Hibs. Interest in Kane from a couple of London clubs has gone.}


2.) 27 Aug 2019 13:47:37
Thanks ed.

interesting stuff.


3.) 27 Aug 2019 14:58:02
I’m surprised we didn’t let Kane go to Hull who are now managed by the old Doncaster manager, would of been the next step?

He publically said he was keen on Kane but window has shut. Seems odd.


4.) 27 Aug 2019 20:51:11
Kane has attended a few of Doncaster's home games this season so it could be possible he rejoins the club.


5.) 27 Aug 2019 21:04:59
Letting Duncan leave on a loan to buy deal could be a mistake unless we command a generous fee, I'd much prefer just a standard 1 year loan to a lower league English team if he wants to play first team football this season. He may be feeling it's too tough a task to spend a few years trying to make it at Liverpool but fiorentina at 18 yrs old is risky too, he should look for a season loan in England or maybe SPL.

Wonder would Gerrard hold interest in developing his cousin at rangers? And surely we can't afford to keep Kent stagnating in our reserves for another year when he'll be 23. And regarding Kane I also think a loan would surely only be beneficial to raising his stock.


6.) 27 Aug 2019 21:10:22
I rate Bobby Duncan but the moment an 18 old tries to dictate to an institution like Liverpool fc there’s only going to be one winner. I expect we don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors.


7.) 28 Aug 2019 02:42:55
Is Bobby trying to dictate terms to liverpool? I have no idea of the inner convos obviously, but I feel like that is a bit of a stretch to conclude that Bobby is in someway trying to manipulate Liverpool into giving him first team minutes. Could it simply be that he thinks he is ready, doesn't see the opportunity but does see it elsewhere?


8.) 28 Aug 2019 07:14:07
It’s tough at the junior level, opportunities to break through to competitive first team football are rare, perhaps Bobby is simply looking at Brewster and Glatzel and figuring if he gets a shot anywhere competitive he simply can’t afford to turn it down. Doesn’t mean he’s trying to hold Liverpool hostage.


9.) 28 Aug 2019 10:31:42
I’d say if glatzel is ahead of Duncan move Duncan on if he wants to go. It’s very hard to break into the first team, if he has an opportunity abroad, let him take it.


10.) 28 Aug 2019 11:23:00
This isn’t so much a football issue as it is a social issue. The ‘yoof’ of today expect everything right now!


11.) 28 Aug 2019 17:09:33
Seems like the players thinks he is a bigger deal then he actually is?

That's the problem with youth football today, they get paid thousands of pounds a week and instantly think they are gods gift and good enough to be a starter for any team in the world.


12.) 28 Aug 2019 20:20:36
I fail to see how Duncan can be kept at the club after Saif Rubie's derogatory comments online.


13.) 29 Aug 2019 09:18:09
I don't actually believe a word that scumbag agent claimed.

"boy is in real trouble mentally, physically and emotionally because of this, and I really pray that his experience doesn’t happen to any young players again. ”

Like what? The kid's 18 and under contract at his boyhood club, only a year ago when he signed he wrote;
“I have waited so long for this day to finally come, joining a club I’ve grown up watching and supported all my life. Liverpool is my boyhood club, my dream! Now let’s get down to business. "

And now after one good season at U18 level he is:
“never going back there again and he’s on such a small salary that no amount of fines will even make a difference. ”
Huh? Again, he's under contract but now it's the agent making it about money, which is hardly a first.

He also claimed Liverpool told Duncan he wouldn't be receiving a new contract and “have even gone as far as saying in writing that they will punish him and make him stay at the club until January and beyond to teach him a lesson. ”

Teach him a lesson? This really sounds like bs to me. For a while now Liverpool's clear and obvious policy has been to give young players a new contract before sending them on loan. Pretty sure they wouldn't suddenly change that for one player.

As Carra said, Duncan should sack this no good agent asap and Liverpool should never deal with him again. Of course we don't know exactly how BD is behaving regarding all this but he certainly seems to be getting some bad advice. The best thing for him would be to sign a new contract and then go on loan to the top tier in Holland or Belgium where I think he could thrive, but I guess we'll have to wait and see.


14.) 29 Aug 2019 09:29:00
As for Herbie Kane he already proved himself in League one so with the Championship window also closed (dunno why he didn't go to Hull) I guess a loan to the Scottish Prem is the best option or even better still to a stronger league abroad. Of course that all depends on if any interest materializes and from where.


 

 

 

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16 Oct 2019 15:01:05
Agternoon eds n reds,

I have not seen much of Rhian Brewster. What i have seen, mainly u23 im left a little disapointed after all the hype.

Is he that good? He had a bad injury, and he does score some goals but so do all our other u23, u21 and u18 strikers. I not able to see him playing live so can't always see what he offers the team, running off the ball, tracking back etc, etc.

Eds. Will he be in our first team in years to come?

Also, 3 nil to us on sunday.

Cheers me old muckers.

wiltshire red

{Ed001's Note - he has just come back from a long term injury mate, give him time.}


1.) 16 Oct 2019 15:48:28
Do you think from what you have seen that he will be good enough for LFC.?

{Ed001's Note - before his injury he defo looked the part.}


2.) 16 Oct 2019 16:09:53
Let’s write him off! Should be in top form straight away, reckon get rid of him as deadwood.

Can’t believe he hasn’t scored 50 goals already terrible player.


3.) 16 Oct 2019 16:29:46
Hmmm. As i said southern, i've not seen him live so was asking for an opinion. If you have seen him, what do you think? Tell us.

Glatzel and Duncan scored a hatfull more goals before Brewster was injured.

I certainly did not write him off. I can only go on what limited time i've seen him.

Ta very much.


4.) 16 Oct 2019 17:16:55
He Wiltshire, I’ve had the same thoughts about Brewster tbh but he did look very good before his injury. I’m sure he will get his chances when injury’s to the front 3 happen.

Big shout with the 3 zip prediction though mate? Wish I was as confident as you and most other reds. Utd will pretty much be at full strength AWB Shaw Pogba Martial all returning. Adding to James, Rashford, etc they will certainly not be a toll over and very dangerous with pace on the break. Trent and Andy will need to be in position ready for there attacks. Draw at best for me mate.


5.) 16 Oct 2019 18:25:57
In fairness Wilshire by the age both Glatzel and Duncan were while getting all them goals last season Brewster had long being promoted permanently to the u23's. He'll come good, showed some nice stuff for England u21's last night.


6.) 16 Oct 2019 20:36:10
Op that's a bit harsh. Let's give him till the end of the season. He might just come good for us.


7.) 16 Oct 2019 20:37:35
Sorry my reply was not to the op but that of the southern red.


8.) 16 Oct 2019 21:54:34
He’s 19 years old and had a year out through injury. In terms of development he is 18, and it’s a crucial time. Ox has the same time out and he isn’t 100% yet, he needs time.


9.) 17 Oct 2019 13:28:14
He is quick, has a good shot on him, seems a good lad and pretty driven, if he can work hard, learn as much as he can from Bobby, I can see him being a top player. He came on as a sub for England u21 on Tuesday, in the 60th minute, got himself an assist and won a penalty, it was against Austria granted but he looked good, Callum Hudson-Odoi looks a player.


10.) 17 Oct 2019 14:01:39
Cheers coolbeans. Ed1 said he was the buisness.
Lets hope he starts to get more chances so we can see what he's about.


11.) 17 Oct 2019 16:05:14
Virgil. I've read that Pogba probably won't return and is still struggling with his foot injury.


12.) 17 Oct 2019 21:23:26
OP, be patient. Yo may get to see Brewster in our next Cara-goo-boo Cup game vs Arsenal.


 

 

28 Sep 2019 19:20:48
Evening eds n reds

Bin a while since we have seen so many misplaced passes by most of the team. Credit to Sheff utd, they played well and probably deserved a point.

Ed1, do you think this might be the time to just make one or two changes for the next game. Not because of fatigue, they can't be tired but the team he put out today might start thinking they are surefire starters every game. Perhaps a little competition for places could keep the performances high.

if a vhange. then who would you bring in and who to be dropped.

Should he change a winning team?

Hmmm. Time for Larrucci perhaps.

wiltshire red

{Ed001's Note - I am not a fan of changing a winning team unless someone is playing particularly badly over a run of games. None of the players are doing so, which means I would stick with the same team, unless injuries or fatigue are telling on any of the players.}


1.) 28 Sep 2019 19:59:06
Fair enough. i know salah takes players with him and that creates space for others but i would be tempted to put Origi in his place and Lorucci at the back.

Just for one game. Stops complacency.


2.) 28 Sep 2019 21:02:27
And if wr dropped points in that game there would be a meltdown on here regarding dropping Salah.


3.) 28 Sep 2019 23:00:14
I'm nearly certain we had this conversation about Salah this time last year. Iut of form, not fully recovered from injury, not playing for the team, head turned by Madrid etc. etc.

Turned out alright in the end.


4.) 29 Sep 2019 02:25:53
I'm with most on this. Unless it happens in a run of few games, then maybe. Something was missing yesterday. It could be something with mental, emotion, fitness or some others. We have to give them some chance to make things right. They even won last night, so that could be a thing that will make them better in the next games.


5.) 29 Sep 2019 04:41:36
It was very much like Everton at Goodson of last season revisited yesterday, credit to Sheffield Utd’s defensive organisation although they were easier on the eye going forward than the Toffees were that day.
We still made four or five good chances despite an average performance.
I liked Origi’s cameo yesterday too, he looked dangerous.
Take the 3 points and move swiftly on.


6.) 29 Sep 2019 07:38:12
I love how a battling performance by a plucky underdog gets everyone in a flap every so often. Liverpool had 70% of the ball yesterday in an away game. Yes the attack was a bit out of form but I'm not sure we need to panic so much really and to suggest dropping a player like Salah is just nonsense.


7.) 29 Sep 2019 08:56:25
we could have won by at least 3 to be fair! despite not being our best.


8.) 29 Sep 2019 09:10:54
I'm noticing a lot of us are getting worried by the performances in the last 3 or 4 games, which is understandable of course.

One thing that we need to consider though is that we've just played 4 consecutive away games including a trip to Chelsea and napoli. It hasn't been comfortable viewing but end of the day we've collected maximum points in the league, progressed to next round in the cup playing kids and lost late on to a very good napoli side in a game which we could afford to lose more than most.

4 away trips in 2 weeks is always going to give bumpy moments but overall we've navigated them successfully.

Back to back anfield games this week can see us get back to playing with more confidence and control.


9.) 29 Sep 2019 12:07:08
Things where not great yesterday but we should have had a pen and mane has got to finish them 2 chances and no has to finish his chance as well. But hopefully they will have the shooting boots on next week.


10.) 29 Sep 2019 13:21:53
Dont get that, origi never plays that well when he starts and the other lad hasn't had much experience so makes no sense. As ed said why change a winning team.


11.) 29 Sep 2019 17:26:09
Points over performance 7 days a week for me.


12.) 30 Sep 2019 00:44:57
We could’ve looked after the ball a bit better last match, because they broke on us like they meant it and caused us problems. However had we taken one of the 2 extremely clear cut chances in the first half their game plan would have to change and I think we’d have won easily.

The game got nervy simply because by not taking our chances they got more confident and we got a bit edgy.
Nothing to worry about if you ask me.


 

 

07 Sep 2019 21:42:19
Evening eds.

I think it was ed2 who was scathing of our track record of dealing with loaned players to other teams.

But more recently ed2 had stated things seem to be improving.

The main difference i see is that our u23 players are being sold for good money, after returning from loans. ie Kent, awomyo etc, etc. rather than letting their contracts run down.

I don't know of any who were loaned out and are now 1st team regulars.

Are you able to give us a particuler player you think has been handled better than they would have been 2/ 3 yrs ago. and why.

Cheers all.

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - Dealing with loanees becoming first team regulars, Liverpool have changed tact and are now looking to buy success - which is why so many youngsters want out. As for loans, Liverpool has gone from having no plans and no structure to at least having a general plan and someone is taking responsiblility for liaison etc.. Liverpool remain far behind many other sides but are improving.}


1.) 08 Sep 2019 08:29:53
ed002 you all ways say we are now trying to buy success was we not trying that before? And can you name one of the top prem sides that does not. Are spending compared to city is nowhere near the same but I would not say there is lot in both teams. young players can't get into the first team if nowhere near good enough unless we want to be a mid table team.

{Ed002's Note - Not to the extent the club are doing so now. The question was about Liverpool not other clubs. It is a change of direction that Klopp now embraces as his promise of success using the youngsters was naive and unfulfilled.}


2.) 08 Sep 2019 08:39:35
No problem with that.
All top sides try to ‘buy’ success, and Liverpool are less guilty of it than most. Man Utd, City, Real, Barca, Juventus, PSG spend far more than Liverpool.
Chelsea, for instance, have spent way less in recent years and gradually become a much worse team as a result.

{Ed002's Note - The "much worse" Chelsea that were league champions a couple of years ago, that are the current Europa League champions is that? This constant effort by some Liverpool fans to turn everything around to be about other clubs is truly embarrassing. You are making an absolute laughing stock of yourselves yet again.}


3.) 08 Sep 2019 08:43:35
Ed 002 out of interest mate what premier league clubs are at the forefront when it comes to loaning players out. As in having their sh#t in one sock and having the best successful structure in place for return?

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United.}


4.) 08 Sep 2019 09:08:27
What is embarrassing is your constant sniping at liverpool. Coming from a Chelsea fan who bought success numerous times. pathetic.

{Ed002's Note - I have never considered myself as a fan. All I did was honestly answer a question. I get constant abuse from vegetable matter like you who are simply not bright enough to understand. If people don't want honest answers they would do a lot better by simply not asking questions.}


5.) 08 Sep 2019 09:08:35
...............

{Ed002's Note - You are another foul piece of trash that needs to go.}


6.) 08 Sep 2019 09:36:59
from a purely outsiders perspective, I find it difficult to hold chelsea up as a moral counter to any version of Liverpool trying to buy success haha also I'm loving their use of youth this season.


7.) 08 Sep 2019 09:48:24
Ed002 🎣 reeling them in again 😂. Don’t ask the questions if you can’t handle the answers.


8.) 08 Sep 2019 09:55:20
Yet Liverpool and Klopp bought in 2 youngsters in the whole of the summer transfer window. And not for the 1st time in his tenure, Klopp made a profit in the transfer window. Which to be fair is some achievement for a top side. Who have made 3 European finals in a row. Yes klopp isn't perfect but give the man and club credit! Fsg and Klopp although made some mistakes. Have taken the whole club and structure of the club, training ground, stadium and youth teams to another level.

{Ed002's Note - Klopp did not make a profit, Liverpool did. This was because the youngster are surplus to requirements and many know it and want to move on.}


9.) 08 Sep 2019 09:43:42
Chelsea have constantly won cups with no huge gaps over the last 15 years. How are they getting worse now they aren't buying success?


10.) 08 Sep 2019 10:41:32
Taurus, it’s quite simple really. Chelsea haven’t been in the semi-finals of the Champions League since 13/ 14 under Mourinho - 5 whole seasons. In the 10 years prior to that following Abramovich’s takeover, they had got to the semi-finals 6 times, and were winning the biggest trophies almost every season.
They still win trophies, but nowhere at the rate they did previously, especially the biggest ones.
No one said they were a bad side - they’re not - but they are unquestionably not the hyper-resilient, powerful brute of a team that they were for 10 years previously.


11.) 08 Sep 2019 10:56:36
Thanks ed.

Opened a can of worms i think. Its a buisness and we are now making some money from these players who will never play in our forst team.

We all want to see young players coming through but don't always have the patience, They need time.

Mason Mount doing it for Chelsea, but i wonder would he have that chance if chelsea did not have the transfer ban.

Cheers all.

{Ed002's Note - The plan was always for certain players to be integrated in to the first team squad at Chelsea this season - including Mason Mount. The unexpected opportunity has been for Tammy Abraham.}


12.) 08 Sep 2019 11:32:30
Thanks again.

You eds and all the reds on here with their differing opinions are like my coffee when i get up. the first thing i do in the mornings.

Keep it up, love it.


13.) 08 Sep 2019 12:57:46
Dont we have the same conversation every 2-3 months. Someone ask a question, Ed02 gives his opinion and then someone wil drag Chelsea in the middle and take a dig at Ed02 for liking/ admiring a certain team and how Ed02 hates Liverpool.
Its just like those kids on twitter who have a lot of spare tomes so starts a tread to take a dig at each other.


14.) 08 Sep 2019 13:19:39
To be fair to Ed002 he does have a phenomenal knowledge of the game and he has a perfect right to defend Chelsea but on a different TACK he should take care when using sailing metaphors.


15.) 08 Sep 2019 13:35:52
Ed02 simply gave a detailed answer to the OP. The youngsters are being sold on because they cannot get past 1st team players who were bought for big money.
Things escalated as certain posters don't like the answers given.
It is irrelevant how much other clubs spend, as Klopp stated he would get success using youngsters. In hindsight I am sure Klopp regrets saying it now, as it was unrealistic given the spending power of his rivals.


16.) 08 Sep 2019 17:20:04
LoweFC you said they've become much worse. wouldn't say they've declined massively if they can still win trophies.


17.) 09 Sep 2019 06:31:15
I think big clubs could definately operate better with use of loans. Liverpool currently only have origi as such in the first team set up who's been out on loan. Truth is none of our loaned out players have really proved they can play in our system as yet. Grujic I feel if he has a big season may have a future.

Chelseas loan structure over the years has been one that is hard for football fans to see the good side of.
But they have seen the likes of courtois, Christensen, zouma, mount, Abraham, loftus cheek succeed with loan moves to warrant a chance with Chelsea.
United have only really seen Pereira, arsenal with chambers, city and spurs not really using former loan successes in their first team. The likes of foden, Brewster, Greenwood, Hudson odoi, willock are kept in the clubs as deemed good to make it. We've seen rashford, Trent, Gomez, winks, mctominay previously not being considered for loan.

The realistic theme is that most youngsters being let on loan from the top English sides seem to rarely be a part of future plans and if really fancied by the manager then will be not be let out on loan.

Everton have not let Calvert Lewin or Davies leave the squad, Leicester keeping chilwell, Gray, choudrory about in the last few years. West ham with rice, wolves with Gibbs white, longstaff at Newcastle, AWB at palace

Can't think of many clubs which have benefited much from worthwhile loans regarding using them in their current team upon return. Players like Harry Wilson, reiss Nelson, lookman, lukebakio each had productive seasons but still seemed not to be in the teams future plans.

Only Chelsea are using their loaned youngsters, largely due to a pool of 40 on average each year and transfer ban forcing their hand. We've made nice profits from loans being successful but it's hard to think of players we've had back who became a regular. The likes of spearing, wisdom, Flanagan, kelly, ward, karius, Coates, ilori, markovic, borini, ings were never going to have a future with us after being let on loan. The guys like Trent, Gomez, sterling were able to break through only because they were kept, hopefully Brewster can be viewed in that respect also.
Norwich have had players recently like Todd cantwel, james Madison, Ben Godfrey, Jacob and Josh Murphy who all proved to make big progress.


18.) 10 Sep 2019 08:33:24
Being a liverpool page I would expect 99% of Ed's answers to be about liverpool but don't get offended if you don't like the answer.


19.) 10 Sep 2019 01:40:55
Ed.002.

"Chelsea always planned to integrate youth this season. " Was that plan conceived before or after the transfer ban? If it was before, then is it fair to say that they would have bought a few 1st team players ahead of the youth and they in turn would have spent most of their time on the bench or in league cup games?

Solanke came to Liverpool and didn't get much more. He failed to impress and was moved on.

It's always a risk trying to bed in youngsters because you have to give them time and even then, some fall away for a variety of reasons.

You often say changes are inevitable, such as a European league, isn't this just another inevitable change for any big club wanting success? I have never been a fan of Chelsea but wish Lampard is given a chance. Youth and an English manager being given a chance (even if it was partly forced on them) is what many have called for. We shall all see what happens. I personally would be happy to see some success there (although not at the expense of us! ) and show other clubs that it can work.

I have my doubts and unless they have some form of success, we all know Roman has limited patience.


 

 

30 Aug 2019 19:40:06
Evening reds n eds.

Finding that mufc supporter at work after we have beaten them, priceless.

Down the pub with my mates talking about how we beat Arsenal, love it.

Any time we beat Man city, ACE

There a common theme here that would not exist if we were playing Ac milan or PSG or Bayern in a crappy european super league.

Its deep rooted and soooo much more important to me. Yes its amazing winning the Champions league but what do we all want more than anything. Getting the 19th, 20th, 21st title etc.

I will always follow LFC as i have done for over 45 yrs but if we enter into any proposed super league we run the risk of diluting our. ferver as supporters. It just won't be the same.

You have been warned.

There, that's better now i have that of my chest.

Lfc to win 2 - 1 in tight match

Have a great week end all.

wiltshire red

{Ed025's Note - you too wiltshire mate..


1.) 30 Aug 2019 20:03:08
I agree 100% wiltshire, if/ when it happens for me something will be lost. As ed025 has said what about the lower league clubs who are already struggling. The premier league is so good we don't need it but because the pl generate much more than the rest they want to change everything.

If you play Real, Barcelona 3 times every year after a few years it will become just another game. If you take the top 4 out of the pl the income will plumet. If they keep the pl as is and sacrifice the cups that would be the best worst option. No good can come of it IMO.

{Ed025's Note - im with you mark..


2.) 30 Aug 2019 20:22:08
Its a shame but money talks. They won't listen to us.

I wonder what the majority of fans would want if given the choice?

ill just have to watch Swindon instead. Or play more golf. But as you say mark, the teams in the lower leagues might not be there in 10 yrs time.

ho- hum.


3.) 30 Aug 2019 21:08:50
I think the problem is tv revenue. If we get a breakaway super league that will in itself be where the vast majority of where the money goes. But we have Sky, BT, Amazon etc that will keep feeding the monster. Sport orientated media coverage is probably the safest way to invest your money at the moment. And before I get pillared for this please for second take a moment. When I first got Sky and Bt got the CL rights I swore I would not sign up to BT. Guess what?

I can afford it thankfully but would prefer not to and I know there are so many supporters that can’t. If we have a break away league that is broadcast by another media mogul would I sign up to it if Liverpool FC were participating? probably as it is the only way I can watch my beloved Reds. I hate the fact that so many fans of “elite” clubs will be unable to follow their clubs on tv due to ludicrous subscriptions. The rich get richer. If LFC are not part of a breakaway league many will feel hard done by. If they are part of it, many will feel hard done by.
YNWA.


4.) 30 Aug 2019 21:16:06
The option remains to walk across the park and watch a side not in the European Super league.

Seriously though- it will be the death-knell for a lot of lower division clubs- and to be honest I’d worry for some prem clubs too as the Broadcast income would plummet.


5.) 30 Aug 2019 21:30:31
I think a super league would be dissapointing and eventually lead to decline of football teams and fanbases. It would work for a while but will slowly die as people see once great teams get beaten on a weekly basis because someone has to lose. I like how it is where you have to earn the right to face the best teams in europe. They should just revamp the champions league, too many poor teams are allowed in while there are clearly better teams excluded. I say make the group stages much more competitive.


6.) 30 Aug 2019 21:32:48
Is this potential super league actually realistically a strong possibility or seen as highly unlikely?

It would destroy everything that remains good in the game, football is already being damaged year after year with money continually creating more and more of a gulf. Club's losing their identities and larger business oriented focus taking control.

The thought of a super league makes me sick, would only ever benefit the multi millionaires who's only care is to expand the brand and market the club for extra profit. No self respecting football club should ever consider this as a good move without giving a huge slap to the face of the fans. The likes of red bull formed clubs, Chinese and American recently grown franchises can be the only real fit. Every single club should have enough pride or history to block the idea of simply throwing it all away for the financial gain of businessman who don't give a toss about football.


7.) 30 Aug 2019 21:59:33
Another old skool perspective.

Football was ruined when Murdoch got his hands on the game in 92, or for those who don’t know, the birth of the Premier League.

{Ed025's Note - i cant argue with that drogie mate..


8.) 30 Aug 2019 22:15:03
25 mate, Merseyside ruled in the 80’s.

{Ed025's Note - we really did drogie and the city was buzzing, it would be nice to replicate those times mate..


9.) 30 Aug 2019 22:30:16
amen to that.


10.) 31 Aug 2019 00:22:57
a ticket to watch the Burnley away game is like gold dust. Can you imagine Madrid away, not a chance in hell.


11.) 31 Aug 2019 06:12:32
Im no expert but id guess that, if the best 6-8 PL teams went to play in a Euro Super League, there would be a hell of a lot of supporters who wouldn't be able to watch live footy as the tickets and travel would be extortionate and like gold dust to obtain.
That would leave an enormous bunch of fans who still want to go to a game and watch live football so maybe the lower league teams would start getting higher attendances? Maybe Tranmere and Southport could grow from larger home support and revenue along with their leagues? Maybe there would be room for a new team from Liverpool?

{Ed025's Note - it wont be 6-8 virgil, more 3-4, away games will be for the elite as the normal guy in the street wont be able to afford to fly all over europe for the season, i think it will be a disaster for everyone bar the chosen few mate..


12.) 31 Aug 2019 07:31:38
Maybe the big 4 going off to the ESL would drive some of us back to watching our local sides, maybe that extra revenue would save a few Bury and Boltons.


13.) 31 Aug 2019 08:46:31
If a European league was formed then surely the premier league Sky / BT money would drop significantly due to them having their heads turned and investing their money in that. The Bolton and Burnley’s would be then happening in the premier league.

{Ed025's Note - i think you mean bury but your right JK..


14.) 31 Aug 2019 11:35:54
The people behind this underestimate, as usual, the appetite of fans for local rivalries and Saturday afternoon football. This will be the absolute downfall of this concept. Thankfully, it will also be the first time that fans realize thir true power - without them, professional sport does not exist.


15.) 31 Aug 2019 12:52:57
Ed025 cheers mate my bad 🤦🏻‍♂️. I’ve got Burnley on the mind ahead of today’s game.

{Ed025's Note - no worries mate..


16.) 31 Aug 2019 19:51:57
I haven't met a liverpool fan who is keen on the idea of a breakaway league. Totally agree. When will we play everton again? The fixture i always look for first. And (not joking) will we get to play utd? They certainly aren't an elite team anymore. Does money and history get them in it?


 

 

28 Aug 2019 17:28:51
eds, how you all doing?

Regards Shey Ojo. A lot was expected of him a couple of years ago. But he did not kick on as was expected and he just seemed to be just another u23 with promise.

But this season seems to be different. he's playing well. scoring and seems to a pretty big unit as well.

Has he grasped where he meeded to improve? Or is it more of a case that its Scottish football. enough said.


cheers all.

wiltshire red

{Ed001's Note - hard to say mate. It could even be a bit of both.}


1.) 30 Aug 2019 01:50:06
Showing a similar pattern to Wilson and Kent. Both had previous poor loans and only showed form in early 20s. Kent and ojo both failed in loans abroad in Germany and France. Key is finding the right club to settle at, look at Woodburn last loan never seemed right, ejaria was out of place at rangers but now looks like he's enjoying himself at reading.

Hard to see a future for ojo at Liverpool but a good season at rangers can only see his value go higher like Kent and Wilson's has. Hope he does well.


 

 

 

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29 Sep 2019 14:40:59
Thanks ed.

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02 Sep 2019 13:25:23
Thanks ed2.

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27 Aug 2019 13:47:37
Thanks ed.

interesting stuff.

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27 Aug 2019 12:12:43
If those playets go along with others we have sold, that should add up to quite a lot pennies.

Do you see any of the players mentioned worth keeping?

wiltshire red

{Ed002's Note - I don't know enough about the youngsters beyond reputation - and I understand that Duncan is expected to do well - whether or not they will eventually be good enough to play for Liverpool is another matter. Clearly Gerrard thinks enough of Kent to continue to look to sign him - and he is certainly for sale. Fiorentina are chasing Duncan and would like a loan to buy - but Liverpool will likely block the move. Kane seems to attracting the interest of much lower tier sides who want him on loan - Portsmouth, Coventry and Hibs. Interest in Kane from a couple of London clubs has gone.}


 

 

 

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17 Oct 2019 17:28:37
Agree matey, first goal will lead to more. Their heads will drop and i don't think we will let them have enough possesion to get back into the game.

I could go wrong but i have not felt this confident in years.

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17 Oct 2019 14:01:39
Cheers coolbeans. Ed1 said he was the buisness.
Lets hope he starts to get more chances so we can see what he's about.

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16 Oct 2019 16:29:46
Hmmm. As i said southern, i've not seen him live so was asking for an opinion. If you have seen him, what do you think? Tell us.

Glatzel and Duncan scored a hatfull more goals before Brewster was injured.

I certainly did not write him off. I can only go on what limited time i've seen him.

Ta very much.

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16 Oct 2019 15:48:28
Do you think from what you have seen that he will be good enough for LFC.?

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{Ed001's Note - before his injury he defo looked the part.}


 

 

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06 Oct 2019 13:22:28
Same as you zpecialone. They only had 2 attepts on goal. I thought Vardy was poor and they really offered little in the way of goal threats.

I was expecting a closer game. We wernt at our best but we could have been 3 or 4 up

Or were we that good, it made them look average?

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