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19 Aug 2014 13:12:59
So apparently Suarez went for £65 million quid, not £75m. Absolute outrage, Ayre should be sacked, as well as Rodgers, and Gerrard and the lady who makes the teas at Melwood while we are at it


{Ed002's Note - The total amount that went to Liverpool after a small payment to Ajax, converted in to Sterling at today's rate, is a £62M and change. There would then be a few other costs that the club has to pay - and that would need to be deducted. I did explain this at the time, so can we finally now put this to bed.}

1.) 19 Aug 2014 14:14:47
Thanks a lot for the figure ed
hope it finally ends all the suarez figures saga

{Ed002's Note - It is actually the same figure I gave at the time, but it has now appeared in the UEFA database.}

2.) Alot of us don't really factor in agent fees and a lot of these fees are documented in the annual reports. In some cases, there weren't. In the case of Suarez, we do not know what the proportions were. Even if it was 75m, LFC won't get 75m in total and I imagine something in the line of 65m would sound rather reasonable.

{Ed002's Note - Barcelona were responsible for the agent fees as buyers. You are making numbers up.}

3.) 19 Aug 2014 15:14:57
Is the UEFA database something that is publicly accessible, Ed002? Doesn't seem so as I can't seem to find it if it is?

{Ed002's Note - It is not in the public domain but those that provide the start of season data to Transfermarkt use that data. It is maintained as part of a commercial database that has to be purchased (newspapers, clubs, television companies, press agencies etc. buy it). It is maintained on a regular basis although some (like Transfermarkt) don't take the updates so I would not entirely rely on their data.}

4.) 19 Aug 2014 15:17:51
Yet again another reason why we never ask figures on the forum, when will the lads totally understand that this is not an easy issue to understand if not in the thick of things, thanks for the response though Ed002

{Ed002's Note - As a reminder for transfer fees, what is paid by the buying club would typically include:
(a) Transfer fee - the big number.
(b) Any levy applied by the local FA – 5% for the EPL.
(c) Tax due on the transfer fee – typically this will be VAT (at varying rates across Europe) some or all of which should be reclaimable.
(d) Agent fees – this may be to one or more agents (as an example, Liverpool have spent £25M plus VAT on agent fees over the past three years leading to this window).
(e) Tax due on the agent fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the agent bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(f) Intermediary fees – this may be to one or more sponging leeches(what do you mean you have a super agent?) .
(g) Tax due on the Intermediary fees – typically this is VAT at the local rate where the Intermediary bills from – it is not reclaimable.
(h) Signing on fee to the player (possibly including non-reclaimable VAT if the player is VAT registered).
(i) Legal fees.
(j) VAT on legal fees which is reclaimable.
(k) Moving/relocation costs for the player.
(l) VAT on moving/relocation costs which is reclaimable.
(m) Paying up insurance costs to the selling club (sometimes waived).

What is paid by the selling club would typically include:
(a) If the player is under 24, a Solidarity contribution paid to his previous clubs responsible for his training - this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(b) Any monies owed to the player if he did not request a transfer – again this is 5% of the transfer fee received.
(c) Any monies owed to the player in terms of his contract (typically outstanding owed wages (not future wages) and bonuses).

5.) 19 Aug 2014 16:44:04
Big deal, I used to care about how much we spend and wages for the club and ect. But to be fair we are not the owners, we don't spend the money ourselves and also we don't even get to pick our targets. So why do we care?

{Ed002's Note - You should care that the club is well run from a financial perspective. Portsmouth, Leeds, etc..}

6.) 19 Aug 2014 17:40:34
They are professional business men, funding their own money. They are the best people for it. the person who will be most angry in losing millions is the board more than the fans its there money lol they will do what's best for own company. no need to worry.

7.) Suarez as gone its time to move on. I think ed2 said at the time the only one to blame why we didn't get more for Suarez was the man himself and his behavior. As I say time for a new star to be born.

8.) 19 Aug 2014 19:28:17
Thanks, Ed002. Makes sense.

9.) 19 Aug 2014 23:09:28
So we only got 15m more for Suarez than Chelsea got for for David luiz.Sounds wrong but a player that wants to go and tends to get himself in trouble too much 40m profit we will take that and move on imo.

{Ed002's Note - I am pretty certain that this is nothing to do with Chelsea. Why this embarrassing obsession?}

10.) 20 Aug 2014 04:13:40
Ed002, I seem to recall at the time of the Suarez transfer you said the fee was £72 million give or take a few hundred thousand £'s.

{Ed002's Note - It was £63M and that was discussed at the time.}

11.) 20 Aug 2014 11:50:27
There is no obsession with Chelsea Ed002 I was simply making sense of transfer prices of players 1 being 1 of the best players in the world and the other being average imo, but I do think Suarez behaviour brought our price down its just luiz did leave Chelsea so they got mentioned

{Ed002's Note - The price of a central defender sold by Chelsea has no relevance to the price of a striker sold by Liverpool nor the height of the Delhi Dynamos' goalkeeper.}



19 Aug 2014 11:18:32
Hi Ed/s, what's happening with Luis Alberto? I see Llori has gone on loan, any news on Alberto? I would be quite interested to see him get some cup games


{Ed002's Note - He has gone. Moved to Malaga for a year and then I would think will be sold next summer.}

1.) If he has a really good season, do you still think we'll sell him ed?

{Ed002's Note - I really don't think he is in the plans going forward any more than the majority of the players Rodgers has purchased.}

2.) I thought he was one for the future? Any idea what happened EDs?

{Ed002's Note - My views on many of the purchases of BR have been explained. Take the search engine for a run.}

3.) I would add Ilori, Assaidi and Borini to the 'weird transfer decisions' pile along with Sahin. Not sure what the deal is with Sakho either. Have to agree that thus far, by and large, we seem to spend a fair amount of money rather ineffectively.

4.) I'd like to see Llori given a chance at Liverpool, he's only 20/21. I've got a lot of Spanish mates, Granada and Sevilla fans mainly, and they feel he has a lot of potential. Can't say I have seen much of him myself though.

5.) Luis Alberto was done for drink driving as well - not a great way to endear yourself to the coaching staff.

6.) I believe Llori is considered "one for the future" and possibly for next season.
I think the hope is he pushes on while at Boudreaux and can possibly stake a claim next season.

On another note. I have to agree that most of BR signings haven't worked out and not surprised a committee make the decisions now.

Eds, do you think that BR gives a wish list to the committee or possibly just a list of positions that need strengthening? Does it then just mean the committee are the "directors of football" and didn't Rodgers not want that when he was at appointed?

7.) Ilori imo.



06 Aug 2014 13:14:12
Manquillo signed on loan. 2 years or one?


1.) Two year loan with the option to buy after the first year

2.) 06 Aug 2014 13:46:58
2 with an option to buy at the end of year one

Very strange

3.) Initially 2 years but with an option to buy after the first year

4.) 06 Aug 2014 14:00:18
2 Years. Liverpool have the option to make it permenant on a fee after one year.

5.) That is a strange one. In his interview he seemed to hint that he wants to stay 'for many years'.

6.) Read elsewhere we have the option to buy after the second year, Atletico have the option to pay a penalty and take the player back after 1 year. No idea if that's true or not though.

7.) Don't think its that strange, other than why AM would want to let him go if he is so good - maybe he always dreamed of the EPL?

Clearly Liverpool & Manquillo expect it to be a long term stay, but we have an option not to buy him if he doesn't perform.




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14 Dec 2017 11:22:20
if one of (or both, be interesting to get as many opinions as possible) the Ed's are about, I would like to ask a question. Why is it, in your opinion, that Man City can break down defensive teams so well? The rest of the 'top' teams, have all succumbed to teams sitting deep and playing for a draw. It surely cannot just be because they have better players can it? Both Chelsea and LFC have some incredibly creative attackers but we seem to stumble a lot more. Is it down to tactics or belief? If so, what is different and if it is because of players, who and why?
Just curious to get your analysis and thought it would for an interesting topic. Thanks.


{Ed0333's Note - I think it’s because Man City attack you from all angles and are relentless. They have forged a reputation of being able to score at any moment. I think some of its psychological and most opposition think they are going to lose before they step onto the pitch. Also there’s the Pep factor. In my opinion hes carved a formidable reputation with what he’s achieved before and truth be told they have some fabulous football players in their squad. Furthermore I’ve not seen anyone really go for the jugular against them allowing them to rampage. Great question tho mate and I’d be interested in what others thought on the matter.

1.) 15 Dec 2017 05:58:29
Quality and nothing else. In KDB and Silva they have the very best playmakers in the league! They have a fantastic front line who could score in abundance.
City’s main strength comes from their full backs. They offer so much going forward. Pep has taken them to another level and it is clearly seen. People who called him crap are eating their words now!

{Ed001's Note - again another of your fantasies. No one has called Pep crap, what they have said is that he only manages to win when he has by far and away the best players. As is being proven again, he is winning due to the quality of the players at his disposal rather than the quality of his management. Half a billion spent is why they are winning, not Pep Guardiola. It is the money which has taken them to another level.}

2.) 15 Dec 2017 06:45:37
I think they have an excellent front three but then so do we. it’s because they have an incredible midfield and the fullbacks that everyone’s especially terrified of City IMO. De Bruyne, Silva can really hurt you, and together with decent delivery from out wide they have the capacity to unlock teams in multiple ways. Once you’re a goal down against them it’s incredibly hard.

That’s where we lack that killer touch in having Gini, Milner (and Coutinho a bit hit and miss) at the moment. Even our fullbacks have been a bit lacking in terms of quality of delivery, especially with Moreno out now. TAA made a good few chances vs. Westbrom, was just unlucky it didn’t stick.

3.) 15 Dec 2017 06:24:36
To be fair ed city have always had the money, Pep's taken them to level above what any of their previous managers could.

{Ed001's Note - and done so by spending more money than previous managers, a lot more.}

4.) 15 Dec 2017 07:10:57
Money could also give you a couple of Andy carroll’s, Charlie Adam’s and Christian Benteke’a. Money doesn’t alone win you title. UTD has been spending insane amount since earth was formed.
People called him the fake messaih. Turning out to be the only messiah in the league!
When City wins it’s all about money! When Leicester wins it’s about Squad!
Sorry not for any argument. Just saying!

5.) 15 Dec 2017 07:21:33
Simple mate! We are built as counter pressing team. Once opposition parks the bus and gives us all possession we tend to struggle coz our attacking players have no space to run at opposition defenders.

6.) 15 Dec 2017 07:57:37
Nailed it koptie 7. That’s the shortest way to describe our strength and weakness in one small para! No space, we pass sideways and backwards!

7.) 15 Dec 2017 08:14:39
Yes City have spent money, just like United do and have done do over the years.

City play, quick, direct and incisive football, attacking teams not just through the middle but with width too, it’s as simple as that. All we can do is pass the ball sidewards against teams that sit deep. When we played WBA on weds night, after 10mins, I said to the bloke I sit next to at the match, this will end up a draw. I think we are far too predicable at times and we don’t have the ability to change the game through different tactics.

What City and Peo have done is address areas off the team that were weak un like us. Of course they still look a bit suspect at the back but they are more defensively sound than last season, their keeper in particular shows this. They’ve spent a lot but spent well in my opinion.

I think Pep has the team playing his way now and this really shows on the pitch in my opinion. At the moment, they also have a winning mentality and relentlessness to go and win the game.

I really enjoy watching City play, especially when you compare them to Mourhino’s dross.

8.) 15 Dec 2017 09:06:03
I don’t think it’s all to do with money. you have to give some credit to pep for the way he’s making them play.

9.) 15 Dec 2017 08:30:26
his team's always seem to be very well structured too. at least until the attacking third where they have license to thrill. I think that solid base aligned with having topquality players in the attacking third is a perfect blend for any league and especially in the premier league.

10.) 15 Dec 2017 08:53:19
Some interesting points there, some different ones too. I find Ed0333's point a good one, saying no team has really gone at City, i think you may be right about teams being beaten before the game has even started. I think the next LFC v MC game should be intriguing as i can't see Klopp sitting back.

11.) 15 Dec 2017 09:10:14
Agree pep has city playing lovely football and its great to watch. But as ed pointed out he has spent a hell of a lot of money in doing so. one of citys full backs costs the same as liverpools back 5.

12.) 15 Dec 2017 09:36:12
Harry, the players you cited a la Charlie Adam and Carroll etc highlights the exact point your arguing against. City can afford to buy not only the best players in the world, but several of them in one window if they wished to. If Liverpool take an expensive punt on a Carrol it costs us big time. City spent £100m on their full backs in the summer plus a sizeable amount on Danilo and I read this morning he might be in for a left back in jan with Mendy being out (I appreciate that might be paper talk) .

They bought silva from Monaco who barely gets a start. No one is saying Pep is crap but I do think people can pose a justifiable question. could he do it at Porto or Dortmund for example. If he was Liverpool manager and Klopp the city manager would we be top of the league?

13.) 15 Dec 2017 09:29:11
Take out their main 2 :KVD and Silva and they will be like arsenal.

14.) 15 Dec 2017 09:42:31
If you have an owner giving a manager like Pep (already a great manager) half a billion (and counting) in the past two seasons, it is only normal and expected that the team will perform. Ed01 is correct, City is outspending everyone by a near 2 or even 3 to 1 margin if you are LFC and Spurs, so it is only normal that they are where they are as half a billion does GETS you the quality they have. If they win the PL, it is expected. If they don't win the CL after outspending everyone in Europe (even PSG) hen questions will be asked of Pep, for sure. It's that simple.

15.) 15 Dec 2017 09:47:42
Kopite7, I don't believe that. We have scored more goals, won more games and created more chances vs these low block teams this season than we did last season at the same point so that part has been fixed. This is cos we are 100% focused mentally and don't let up when we attack them and probe them and thanks to Salah, we are doing much better.

However, the issue is that we seem to be standing in our own way due to defensive errors, lack of composure in front of goal and a like WBA, lack of movement. We are the ones in our own way as we are not converting as much as we should cos tho we did not play well vs WBA, we still carved out 4 clear chances to score. That was not happening last season and frankly, we'd have lost such games last season which we are not doing now. The low block is no longer an issue, IMO. It all depends on us.

16.) 15 Dec 2017 10:03:27
Regardless of what money he’s spent pep has had what three transfer windows to fix what problems city had compared Klopps 5? And we’re still miles away for challenging the title. We’ve still got the same problem goal keeper and after buying bargain basement defenders still have defensive issues. Now I like klopp but if you can’t see how every other team seems to change managers and make it work you’ve either got blinkers on or you’re a fool! Mourinho has turned Man U around although they still have work to do but look a completely different outfit to before his reign, Conte one the league in his first season and will get champions league this season.

17.) 15 Dec 2017 10:11:27
Totally agree with the Ed. Pep clearly is very good. But as you say he's had to buy big on top of the already goid/ expensive squad he had and to an extent struggled at times with last season. Thus needing to go spend £200+ in the summer rather than improve players he already had. Also not youngsters have come through as yet and city have spent fortune in this front and have some really good young players but are they going to get a chance when buying in 3,4 £50m players each summer?

18.) 15 Dec 2017 10:17:44
To be fair United has spent just as much, if not more than City in recent years. Mourinho has a squad worth £750m, and he can't even come to Anfield and play for a win? It's embarrassing.

Pep Guardiola might only be able to win when he has the best resources, but at least he does it playing attractive football! His City team (regardless of whether it is good management or monies spent behind it) are changing English football. It used to be a case of win your home games, beat the lesser teams, take draws from your rivals, only lose 2-3 games, and you'll win the league. City have raised the bar. They've dropped 2 points in 17 games and they're on course to finish on around 110 points if they sustain this form. The Arsenal invincibles had 10 less points than City after 17 games. It's ridiculous.

19.) 15 Dec 2017 10:42:56
Spot on MK regarding United. I listen to lots of their fans having a pop at City for their spending. Let’s not forget they’ve been doing it for years. Way back buying Pallister for a record signing, Further forward Rio for £30m in 2002.

I hate how money has changed the game.

20.) 15 Dec 2017 10:50:07
Don't remember City leaving their quality players on the bench for the derby.

21.) 15 Dec 2017 11:31:21
Except Sergio Aguero?

22.) 15 Dec 2017 11:01:12
On to B'Mouth, Ron.

23.) 15 Dec 2017 14:18:46
I said the same as ED, he needs money and the best players, but my friend pointed out that even though he had Messi, no one since has had the same level of success with Messi as Pep has had with Messi so that must count for something.

{Ed001's Note - who have they had since? Luis Enrique was a madman who was a joke before Barca but still won things there because of Messi. I can't even remember the rest, but the club was left in turmoil by over spending by presidents.}

24.) 15 Dec 2017 14:47:25
Man City have much more movement up front, and they play the killer pass much more too,
yes, they have spent big, and they should win the Premiership with ease,
Man Utd have been spending big for years, but they won't get near City this season or the next .

{Ed001's Note - Utd have spent 2nd most and are sat 2nd.}

25.) 15 Dec 2017 15:10:35
It's not going to happen BRover

The home derby is THE biggest recurring game of the season for me and most of my mates.

26.) 15 Dec 2017 15:43:04
Pep may very well be a decent manager, but never seen him manage a mediocre team. As ED001 eluded to, spend spend spend, win win win, manager of the year? I don't think so. I'd love to see him manage a team with a low budget and see exactly what kind of manager he is.

27.) 15 Dec 2017 18:56:23
Ron, I understand your pain for sure, man. For me, I'm over Everton and frankly, not bothered with them and never have. I see them now as a team we have to play to get 3 points cos like it or not, we have bigger fish to fry than the likes of Everton who are going nowhere fast. They have only beaten us 4 times since 1999 n no wins at Anfield. Nuff said!

Beating them for me now, is like beating a team for 3 points and nothing more. Why? I would be pissed off if we beat Everton and miss the CL. Would you want that? I would not. I respect every opponent and understand why you are down BUT take heart in the fact that we are improving and we are now back amongst the contenders for the CL. Beating Everton is only part of the journey and NOT the be all, end all IMO.

You got to look at the picture at times and btw, I disagree that we put out a weak team as we played a team that was fit enough to play as we needed fresh legs to go at them. Had they battered us then you would be correct. They did not and save for a dodgy pen and missed chances, this "weak" team would have won. That just shows how hapless their team actually is and have made my point for me. Take heart my friend.

28.) 15 Dec 2017 22:06:26
Derby matches are the biggest games for me.

Always have been, always will be. Play your strongest team against your neighbours - no exceptions.

29.) 15 Dec 2017 23:18:39
Well, if your players are carrying injuries, you play the best team available to you. Managers do that all the time so you may have to get over that, derby or not.

30.) 16 Dec 2017 12:46:35
If you're injured, you miss the game and usually subsequent games.
You don't come on after 70 minutes, when the plan has gone tits up, to try and rescue something. You also don't usually start the next game.

Injuries, knocks etc are part of the game. I doubt there's one player who has never started a game with a knock.
Klopp gambled on the most important game of the season for many fans. If he doesn't know that, then he's not the man I thought he was. Worse still he won't admit it.



11 Dec 2017 11:17:21
Hi Ed001, has a match review been uploaded yet? Also, cheers for the match selection!
i think the penalty decision was right, albeit a soft one, but whether or not it was a penalty I don't think is the issue. Lovren should not even be giving he ref the option of awarding a penalty, you just cannot put your hands on a player in the box like that. I think the ref didn't have the best view, but seeing a raised hand convinced him. As for Mane, yes, it was a stupid decision not to cross, but those saying the draw was his fault is ridiculous. What about Gomez's header, yes was a difficult;t one, but it was a chance. Salah's header, which, for me, he should have put away all day.
We can't just analyse single players and blame them, the whole team had enough to kill the game but couldn't, we all knew how Sam would set up and he always sets teams up to not concede (hence why Pickford is now my fantasy GK! ) . I think Klopp got the team selection wrong from the off and the team failed to take their chances, you just don't bench a player who has just scored a hat trick in the previous game!


{Ed001's Note - not yet, just doing it now, it is a difficult one to do mate.}

1.) 11 Dec 2017 11:46:39
Cheers Ed, looking forward to reading your thoughts on the game.

2.) 11 Dec 2017 12:42:42
Thanks, Ed. I would like your opinion on the penalty incident as well.

{Ed001's Note - it will be there.}

3.) 11 Dec 2017 14:44:34
Stuie, the Ref had a very good view of the Pen incident, what he saw was the Everton player taking a touch of the ball, but the ball going away from the goal,
then he saw Lovren being sucked into making a challenge that he did not have to make, Everton were only going to score from a Pen, their player suckered Lovren,
yes it was a soft Pen, but I would say that Lovren took the worst option, and he will never live that down .

{Ed001's Note - Lovren never made a challenge.}

4.) 11 Dec 2017 16:27:00
I disagree Happy, from the viewing angle the ref had, i think he just saw Lovren raise a hand to the attackers back and then seen him fall. But like i said, it is not the sole reason we drew the game in my opinion.

5.) 11 Dec 2017 19:17:07
Happy, Lovren did not make a challenge as Lewin jumped into him to draw the contact so how can you blame him for what he did not do? Mind you, Lewin did the exact same thing earlier in the game BUT Lovren got in front of him and ended up shoving him in the back. The "Can't lay a hand on the back" is a non issue as there is no rule saying you cannot make contact with a striker in the box as that happens all the time. Jesus got contacted vs Utd and flopped the same way Lewin did in the box and the ref ignored him. By that logic, Jesus should have had a penalty, right? Lovren had his hands up, Lewin jumped into him and conned the ref. That is it, IMO.



03 Nov 2017 09:34:52
Bit off topic, but I'm off to watch Dortmund v Bayern tomorrow in "The Wall". Never been to a European game and wondered if anyone had any tips on places to visit etc before the game?


{Ed002's Note - Somewhere in Dortmund is the German Football Museum which might be of interest - I have not been but was invited to the opening two or three years ago. Otherwise the Dortmunder U (Union) building always has some interesting 20th century art exhibits. Aside from that Dortmund is not really a fun place to visit, but enjoy the game.}

1.) 03 Nov 2017 09:57:37
Thanks Ed, I will try definitely and get to the Museum.

2.) 03 Nov 2017 10:30:27
The German football museum is absolutely fantastic, highly recommended mate enjoy. I hope to get back there some day, when I went I was kind of rushed.



14 Sep 2017 08:21:58
I think Ed025 has eluded to this but people, seriously, come on. We had numerous opportunities and a missed penalty against a very good sevilla side who, let's not forget, are Europa League holders. Whilst our defensive issues were frustrating, it is nothing new. It's the first game against our main rivals in the group, I am more than confident we we still top it.


1.) 14 Sep 2017 08:58:09
Utd are Europa league holders but I know what you mean.

2.) 14 Sep 2017 10:08:52
i wish we played a proper striker instead of firmino. i like firmino but he would be better taking wijnaldums position, and rotate sturridge and solanke in the striking position. it just makes sense, we loose a bit of workrate but we would add much more goal threat from these players and add an extra dimension to the team. wijnaldum should be rotated with can. henderson with milner, firmino with continho. should we be doing this?

3.) 14 Sep 2017 12:17:51
Wiseryan, had we smashed them 4-1 like we should have, pretty sure the "top striker" narrative is not an issue. Firmino is a player we need in our system and NO striker can do all the dirty work he does off the ball and still assist and score goals. Enuff with the "top striker" rhetoric as it is no longer relevant. We score goals for fun, fact.

4.) 14 Sep 2017 16:53:34
The Mancs are Europa league holders mate.

5.) 14 Sep 2017 17:11:20
My bad ings! Obviously can't face up to the fact united won a trophy. I disagree wise, firmino adds so much much to our game. He defends from the front and creates so much, he also wins a surprising amount of headers. I just feel we would lose too much having Sturridge or Solanke up there instead.



06 Sep 2017 11:57:36
Can i just say what humble guy Origi appears to be. Seems pretty intelligent as well. Is it true he asked for the loan move himself? really hope it works out well for him, still feel he could be a great player.


1.) 06 Sep 2017 14:08:50
I've always liked what I've seen of his attitude. I really hope he gets a good run of games at Wolfsburg and comes back hungry to stake his claim. With Firmino in possession of the shirt now aged 25, Origi at 22 (only 22 remember! ) and Solanke aged 19, we've got a good spread of strikers for time to come even if Ings and Sturridge continue to struggle with injuries.

2.) 06 Sep 2017 15:05:43
I have always liked the guy, but realistically is he on loan for the shop window or is it a case of the club hoping to get back a far better player for the squad. I say this cos his last loan did him little favour. I also thought klopp said he didn't favour young players on loan (though this may have been only when he first came in)

3.) 06 Sep 2017 15:42:55
Again, i believe it was Origi who asked for the loan himself, due to restricted playing time. Either way, it can only benefit Liverpool and Origi in the long term, he either comes back a better player and plays for us, or we sell him on. I also heard he can be recalled in January as part of the loan.

4.) 06 Sep 2017 17:31:15
I like having origi in the squad. Lovely guy, decent young striker. I'm glad he has gone on loan as as it stands he is quite low down the pecking order and fighting for the attacking role l. I expect him to up his game this season and I think he will certainly come back a better player.




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05 Dec 2017 14:04:56
I was at the recent Dortmund v Bayern game and kept a beady eye on Aubameyang as i was keen to see how good he was. What a let down. He was a passenger for the whole game and did nothing, with Robben stealing the show. Admittedly, this is a single game, against Bayern and i had been sampling the local beers for most of the day, but from that showing, i wouldn't want him. On a side note, 83,503 people singing you'll never walk alone is truly a wonderful experience. especially with beer.




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13 Aug 2017 10:40:56
I think Ed001 is the only red anyway? Be a bit quiet on her eif only fans replied. Besdides, 025 isn't all bad!




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08 Aug 2017 10:43:37
M&S? Messi and Suarez.




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04 Aug 2017 14:42:44
Do you believe the owners have been naïve due to a lack of understanding of the game? If this is the case, surely they should consider bringing in a consultant of some sort to oversee dealings?


{Ed002's Note - The owners to dot deal with the day-to-day running of the club. They have however been naive in some of the appointments.}



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01 Aug 2017 09:51:06
Carlsberg don't do rumours.





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22 Dec 2017 13:45:38
Dortmund vs Bayern the other week for me. Been to Anfield a few times but never for a massive game. But the noise and sights at Dortmund was incredible.


{Ed007's Note - I'd recommend everyone goes to a German match at least once in their lives. I've been to a few Dortmund games over the years as well as St Pauli matches which are just plain crazy at times.}



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20 Dec 2017 10:47:38
Unfortunately none of us our privy to the negotiations that have been happening so we can't realistically comment. Coutinho is an asset to what is effectively a business. the owners of LFC will have a price for that asset and are well within their right to sell or not to sell. Yes, keeping him will have implications on the squad harmony etc, but that is no reason to drop from the value you have. As business owners, i trust them to try and get the best deal possible for LFC whilst hopefully being fair to the players wishes and not being completely unrealistic in their valuation.




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18 Dec 2017 10:57:45
Agree with that, good post MK. I'm glad you mentioned his dribbling, his skill with the ball, at pace, is excellent. Hopefully he can push on, i believe an attribute like crossing is something that can drastically improved with training.




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15 Dec 2017 09:07:52
The only issue i have with MK's argument is it is unfair to blame Migs totally. Where does the 'this error cost us a point' line start? Yes, when Mig's got lobbed recently, he was in the wrong. But how far do you go back? Was there a misplaced pass 5 minutes earlier that turned possession over by someone in midfield? Does that not shift blame to them? I agree MK that Migs is average and does cost us points, but it is impossible to put a number on it and also unfair.




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15 Dec 2017 08:53:19
Some interesting points there, some different ones too. I find Ed0333's point a good one, saying no team has really gone at City, i think you may be right about teams being beaten before the game has even started. I think the next LFC v MC game should be intriguing as i can't see Klopp sitting back.