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07 Aug 2017 09:57:20
Hi Ed02. One for you.

I wonder if it's totally out of the question that should Coutinho leave, Salah would replace him and we move for original target Julian Brandt for the left wing spot?

I'd think Coutinho leaving would be a change in circumstances that may considerably allay Brandt's concerns about game time and make the move a lot more appealing.

Seems most logical and sensible to me.
Whether we like it or not Coutinho is likely moving. We have to look to respond and adapt best as we can.

Has that horse bolted now? Your take please Ed.


Suku Langa

{Ed002's Note - Salah can play across the front three but is naturally a left footed right winger. Julian Brandt is naturally a left footed left winger but can play on the right and also behind a striker. But remember Salah was purchased as Brandt was not available. Brandt's problem was game time, with Coutinho gone he would likely be happier. We'll see.}

1.) 07 Aug 2017 10:23:21
I think it would be best to go for sigurdsson he would likely play centrally as coutinho does but although he lacks dribbling skills that position will suit him just fine.

2.) 07 Aug 2017 10:23:54
I'd hope so too Ed. As I said, seems most sensible to me. Brandt was the player originally wanted and now the likely change in circumstances should revive this option.
Thanks again for the reply.

3.) 07 Aug 2017 10:38:36
Im not sure how buying another winger replaces a central play maker tbh. If Phil leaves then surely we need a like for like player to replace him.

4.) 07 Aug 2017 10:57:05
If Phil does end up going (hopefully not) and we get £90-£100m then why not bid for Bale. Whether he would come is another thing but why not.

{Ed002's Note - Why bid that much for a player Liverpool has no interest in?}

5.) 07 Aug 2017 11:13:33
Bale is overrated and injury prone, you would be lucky to get three good months a season from him.

6.) 07 Aug 2017 11:17:49
If Phil leaves (please don't leave) then it will be terrible for us. We still have lallana for that position. Though we lose goals then. Or Firmino but then I'd say we need another striker unless studge stays fit. I'd like to see us go back in for Coric who I think is probably the closest in style of play to Phil that we could attract and get. Though this may hold back Woodburn. What a conundrum.

7.) 07 Aug 2017 11:23:26
Convert him to a lb again lol.

8.) 07 Aug 2017 11:38:00
Ed002 made a decent suggestion with Insigne, who has a very similar skillset to Coutinho, although I have some small doubts as we haven't had much success with Italians, that is no reason to think that he couldn't be a success.

9.) 07 Aug 2017 12:01:10
I admit Liverpool probably have no interest in Bale primarily due to the size of Transfer Fee he would command but if (and its a big if) Phil C. does go for the money being quoted then Bale surely comes into our price range. And you can't tell me that Bale wouldn't make our team better.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool has zero interest in Bale.}

10.) 07 Aug 2017 13:29:29
And I suspect Bale has zero interest in Liverpool. If I remember comments from him in the past about LFC correctly.

This is a player who gives the distinct impression of being yesterday's news. Move on.

11.) 07 Aug 2017 16:15:53
Yeah, Bale made some very derogatory remarks about the club, I wouldn't want the man bun wearing idiot anywhere near the club.

12.) 07 Aug 2017 18:03:03
How can a winger replace a playmaker? And why do you want to drop Salah into the middle given his best attribute is pace? What kind of rubbish logic is this? It's like you replace Modric with Gareth Bale!

13.) 07 Aug 2017 18:04:29
Senseless now you have two wingers and you don't know how to fit in! Let's give Salah back to Roma and buy Brandt now that Coutinho is gone?

14.) 07 Aug 2017 18:09:11
Totally agree with lallana. When we finished 4th I said to my mate "I bet we sign sigursson" as he was the stand out player of the league outside the top six. If Phil stays, granted we don't need him but if he goes I think we could do a lot worse than the icelander. Could kill two birds with one stone and disrupt Everton at the same time.

He is proven in premiership

He can handle the big games

He is only getting better

Any inconsistencies in his play can be ironed out by top class management.

Even if Phil stays I think he would be a class signing, show our intent to bring the best players to liverpool.

Lastly, he would surely love to join us and Swansea would surely sell.

15.) 08 Aug 2017 02:36:47
If phil does do Coric would be the one player id love to sign, definitely has a good head on his shoulders he's rejected big moves in the past to stay and develop i believe, though he's still so young i wouldn't want to buy him and then put so much pressure on him. But I really do think he will be a very very good player for the future




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12 Oct 2018 17:11:43
For a team that's at no more than gear 2 with a not-so-clinical frontline, I think we done well for our start. 20 out of 24 points claimed, tied with MC and CFC. Already played City, Spurs (A) and Chelsea (A) and lost to none, 5 neat points collected.
That's 3 of the current top 5.

We've had it rammed down our throats daily how "brilliant" Chelsea have been, the "miracle" Sarri's worked. Not to forget how City have been "City" and may as well be handed the title yesterday.
Yet here third we sit, equal points with the favourites.

Out of form Liverpool with out of sync, misfiring forwards winning six on the trot, outplaying "brilliant" Chelsea and reducing "streets ahead" City to no more than 2 shots on target and zero goals, not be Stoke-ing it but playing decent stuff.
Oh, by the way, did I mention it's 3 goals conceded? Yes THREE. Played away to Leicester, Spurs, Palace and Chelsea and hosted City (H/ A seemingly makes little difference to these) . Shipped in only 3.

See, much has been said about LFC's high press and counterattacking prowess. And fair dos.
What's not been highlighted much is how the teams has actually varied the style this season. Bulk of our goals have actually been less from the usual turnovers from the press. Set pieces and build play up have been our mainstay.

Mane (Palace) and Salah (Brighton) are the two vintage c/ a goals I recall off the top of my head.
Look at the clear cut to half chances we created at Chelsea. Not typical h/ p or c/ a play.
Westhampton? Southampton? Spurs?

There's a far greater defensive solidity, control and calm in our play now. Sturridge, Shaqiri, Keita allow us to to vary our style.
Fact is that, Liverpool is far more equipped now to deal with the low block teamz.
And I'm absolutely loving the turnaround in set pieces. We were literally the worst in either defending or exploiting them.

All of a sudden that's swung now. We going to score more from set plays and concede considerably less (have we a conceded from a set piece so far? ) . We pose multiple threats.
And we can even afford to "carry" our frontline, unlike last season when it was the other way round.

As for Salah being figured out? I think not. Mo's been getting and CREATING chances. He just hasn't been taking them, little to do with the opposition.
He's not being stopped playing, no. He's VERY much been playing. It's the finish letting him down.

It's likely that he'll improve, as no doubt will Bobby and Mane.
That the team is at gear 2 and the frontline somewhat off the boil and we still where we are on the log speaks volumes about the quality of this team and what's still to come.

I can accept Napoli for sure. Unless you think that every game played should be won and won convincingly, there's little to analyse there. There will be bad days. And they be just that, bad days.
This thing of nano-analyzing and overanalyzing is ridiculous. Players managers are allowed to get it wrong some occasions.

Sorry for the long post.

Suku Langa

1.) 13 Oct 2018 18:36:50
Great post lad. The boys look tired, the champions league run and the World Cup looks to have tired them out.

2.) 13 Oct 2018 21:52:17
Spot on, OP. The fact that people are getting concerned cos we lost a CK game vs Napoli away from home (where we were useless from top top to bottom, is what I find baffling. As if LFC are not allowed to have a bad day at the office. If that is the standard then such fans had better quit watching us now cos there WILL be bad days. The hope is that they are not that many during the season.

Also on the high press system, we stopped playing that way (in it's purest form) for two years now and Klopp has calibrated it a bit more to suit the demands of the PL hence, we a re a bit more pragmatic in our approach right now as ED01 said, in a bid to conserve energy for the business end of the season.

The fact is that we are joint top of the PL, 20 points out of 24 (10 out of 12 point away from home vs CP, Chelsea, Spurs and Leicester), second in the CL group (smashed up PSG), gone through the hardest period of fixtures in the division and WE ARE STILL STANDING. It's all good, people. Up Da Pool!

3.) 13 Oct 2018 22:35:05
Spot on brover lad couldn't of said it any better if I tried fella. YNWA.

4.) 14 Oct 2018 07:51:28
The question is BRover, what if we stay at this 2nd gear for the entire season? What then? We're quickly approaching the first quarter mark of the season. 😵.

5.) 14 Oct 2018 09:17:57
I know, we are growing into this season, and it's mad saying that sitting joint top. Good post OP. Spot on.

Watched the Premier league show on I player. Chris Sutton, Wes Brown, Ian Wright, Gaby Logan and some journalist. Debating the best Premier league side of all time. I felt sick watching it! But annoys me how it's always the "premier" league. All they did is change the spelling from one word, into french, and Liverpool are never mentioned.

Man United were deemed the best, Giggs, Roy Keane, Scholes and Beckham era. Because they dominated in the league AND won the European Cup. Well we did that for fun and it annoys me how they talk about the Premier league as if it is a different league from the one we dominated. It's EXACTLY the same bloody league. (think I said league too many times, there I go again, saying league) do you know what mean? I think we are the greatest ever English side. Our team in the 70s/ 80 was one of the best sides the world has ever seen. Fact, it shouldn't be so easily forgotten, especially by youngsters, who maybe don't support Liverpool.



11 Aug 2017 13:56:28
This Coutinho saga further proves how shambolic and frighteningly inept the club is with transfers.
They'd known all along about Coutinho wanting Barcelona and possibly looking to move this summer.
They quoted PSG/ Barca a price at some point.

Now saying they don't wanna sell. Why did they put a price on him in the first place? Their stance should have been made clear to Coutinho and whatever suitors at THAT time. If there were circumstances under which they'd be open to selling, this should've been made clear.

It should NEVER have come to this. It cannot be allowed to drag on. A solution, either way, has to be found and found soon. If don't wanna sell, the matter is closed then with that statement. If open to selling, get over with it now. I'd suggest naming a single, non-negotiable figure to Barcelona which they'll either stump up or do one.

More than anything else, this underscores the (urgent) need for a proper, competent sporting director, because whoever is there right now they not worth their weight in gold and are no more than charlatans stealing a living from LFC.

Ed02, what's your own views on how Liverpool has handled this Coutinho, all along?

Suku Langa

1.) 11 Aug 2017 14:20:31
Yup I agree totally this needs sorting asap and hopefully fsg stand by there statement earlier and don't sell or if things are that bad and coutinho has spat his dummy out and it might effect morale or his professional conduct isn't upto scratch then we need to name our price no negotiations and ask for full payment upfront and move on. However gutted I may be.



10 Aug 2017 14:08:40
Interesting developments with Danny Rose.
He's unsurprisingly met with some stinging criticism, for both form and content of his "outburst".
It raises some interesting questions.

1), Footballers are essentially employees at work, like many of us. So is it inherently bad/ wrong for them to primarily look to prioritize maximising their earnings, at every possible turn?

2) Is it inherently wrong/ bad for footballers to see their club as primarily/ merely an employer; their career merely a job? Or are they necessarily obliged to have an affinity with the club? Share same dreams as club/ fans?

3) Is it reasonable to expect a player to view football and particularly his relationship with his parent club thru the same lenses as the fan? Is it inherently wrong when this is not the case?

4)Is it inherently wrong for a player to see and use a club as a "stepping stone"? Is the very concept of "stepping stone" automatically bad and justified of its negative connotations?

5) The CONTRACT: Wantaway player.

Fans: "Well, he happily signed a new six year contract only just 10 months ago"; "The club should hold firm and force him to honour his full contract. "

These are some of the things normally churned out in cases when a player wants out. Is there merit in these? Is it the correct way of going about things?
Let's flip it and put shoe in the other foot.

The CONTRACT: Club wants rid of players Klavan and Sakho.

Klavan: "I have 3 years left in my contract and I fully intend seeing it out. Liverpool should honour the full years. I'm going nowhere. "

Sakho: "My deal has 2 years to run. I want club to fully honour it and I intend going nowhere".

Fans react: "Bloody leeches. They are a disgrace. Let them rot in the reserves. "

What does a contract mean? Does it mean that the both player and club SHOULD and intend fully seeing it?
Is reality as mechanical as the contract envisions?
Is a strictly legalistic, rather than pragmatic (reasonable), approach to matters, desirable here?

Wouldn't adopting such an approach result in rather absurd situations which would soon be pretty much unworkable, to the benefit of no one?
I believe that it is down to reason and pragmatism that so much business is (sometimes) seamlessly done.

Clubs have their own ambitions, granted. And they would like to hold onto their important players, understandably. And there's a contract in place, sure. But then the player has his rights and entitlements, maybe more so morally than legally, depending.
Is it just and fair for an employee to be held against their will?
Would it be fair and just for a club that wants rid to be lumbered with that player refusing to leave, because of a contract?

Surely the reasonable, moral and just position is that of granting the employee/ employer their wish so long as reasonable and due compensation is paid?

Appealing to reason seems to me to be the sensible and most workable rout than this inconsistent insistence on the principle of "he signed a contract. Force him to honour it".

Of course, other factors come into play, crucial among them being timing. It obviously has to be right for the selling club.
It would be unreasonable and frankly absurd to expect to Spurs to just sell Harry Kane should Madrid rock up with even a £200m offer tomorrow morning.
However, it would be absurd and unreasonable of Arsenal to reject advances for Sanchez even NOW given that they've known, and thus had time to make provision for this eventuality. They would, however, be within their legal rights to do so.

The stance of a club like RBL, from the point of view of not having had sufficient time to make provision for Keita's departure, would be perfectly reasonable. In light of Rangnick/ their coach's recent pronouncements about a sale being likelier next summer, I'd think this is pretty much the case.
On the whole, RBL cannot be deemed to have been unreasonable in the Keita matter.
The timing may have been a problematic issue, hence the unshakable stance.

I'm a strong believer in reason, pragmatism and moral justness. This is why, as much as I want Coutinho to stay and Liverpool to keep all its best players, I accept that may not always be practical.
Football is not much different from life. People will always be ambitious, thirsting to rise and keep rising.

You starting out at this one company don't necessarily mean you wanna stay there for a long time. Same with football. Let's not demonize footballers for being human.

Nothing wrong with Coutihno or any other player wanting to leave Liverpool for Barcelona. But you never going to make peace with it so long as you expect footballers to view thru your lenses and to share your ideals. When it happens, it happens, great. When it doesn't, it doesn't, no big deal

Apologies for the long post.

Suku Langa

1.) 10 Aug 2017 14:28:16
No matter what I reply with, its going to seem insignificant. I lost you about halfway down the post, but I do agree with your points around Football being a "job" to players. This is where I sometimes struggle with transfers, because the whole football world and way of operating is so far removed from the real world. I think it was Ronaldo (when he was pushing for a move to Madrid) that said he felt like a modern slave. To an extent I can understand it, but the ridiculous wages they earn just makes me not care a single bit haha.

2.) 10 Aug 2017 14:39:56
I scrolled down looking for a response in red.

There wasn't so kept moving lol.

3.) 10 Aug 2017 15:15:04
I feel that was too long. I read it, but I'm not sure what I read.

4.) 10 Aug 2017 16:26:36
to the OP: your post was a pleasure to read, thank you.

5.) 10 Aug 2017 17:30:44
I challenge you to an essay-off! These boards aren't long enough for the both of us 😉.

6.) 10 Aug 2017 17:37:22
Suku great post mate.



07 Aug 2017 10:03:55
Salah is more than capable down the middle.
And adding Brandt would allow Mane to play on the right, where he's more dangerous, IMO.

But I dunno if Brandt's still in Klopp's picture. I hope he is.

Suku Langa

1.) 07 Aug 2017 10:26:35
yeah true, sounds good, but i wouldn't be scared if we didn't replace coutinho and invested in a better defender than lovren and better GK than karius and a DM like medel or martinez.

2.) 07 Aug 2017 10:32:40
Salah was bought for his speed like Mane, putting him in the middle would take his best attribute out of the game. If Coutinho leaves (which is looking likely) me personally I would like us to have a look at Muller make him feel loved cause he's not getting it in Munich and we all know he is world class when he's on form.

3.) 07 Aug 2017 10:32:40
Salah was bought for his speed like Mane, putting him in the middle would take his best attribute out of the game. If Coutinho leaves (which is looking likely) me personally I would like us to have a look at Muller make him feel loved cause he's not getting it in Munich and we all know he is world class when he's on form.

4.) 07 Aug 2017 11:17:16
A good replacement for coutinho would be eriksen but not a chance spurs would sell.

5.) 07 Aug 2017 18:06:34
Fowlersgod, forget Muller. Coutinho should be replaced with a midfielder who can play in a 3 man midfield. Its more and more obvious that Keita was the designated replacement, not someone meant to play with Coutinho. RM tried to sell Kovacic to Spurs earlier this window so why not bid for him? Not the same player as Coutinho but adds creativity and energy to our midfield.



17 Jul 2017 14:46:27
The correct exposition of the facts with respect to Nabbe Keita, RBL and LFC.

It is fact that:

a) Liverpool want Keita.

b) Keita wants Liverpool and has informed RBL as such

c) RBL do not want to sell

It is NOT fact that:

a) RBL have set ANY sort of asking price for Keita

b) There's ANY sort of agreement with/ acceptance of bid by RBL

c) Personal terms have been agreed between Keita and LFC

Where we ARE:

a) LFC had a (first) bid rejected by RBL

b) RBL's 'not for sale' stance remains. at least officially anyways, but.

c) LFC nevertheless remain firmly convinced that RBL will deal at the right offering are working hard at that offering. Crucially, RBL know and accept this as well.

d) There has been NO 2nd bid from LFC, although one is expected 'imminently'.

e) Of that offering, the challenge will not so much be the fee as the payment terms, as Ed002 correctly pointed out yesterday.
The pressure will be the structure of the payment. LFC must put forward something acceptable.
The room for negotiation is pretty little. LFC know this.


a) LFC seriously wants Keita and intend doing what they view as necessary to get deal over the line. RBL's stance is certainly not carved in stone.

b) Keita unlikely to hand in a transfer request. There won't be a need to.

c) It is likely that the deal will happen than not.
LFC working very hard behind closed doors.
But there's no time lines.


Pay little attention to the media reports/ twitter. Much of what you read there is much make-believe and just filling gaps.
Fans are (perhaps understandably) hungry for any sort of good news stories.

Every Tom, Dick and Harry take it upon themselves to be 'ITK' this part of the season. Fat Kid from Bolton phenomenon that Ed002 has warned us about.

Suku Langa

1.) 17 Jul 2017 16:50:40
Bit harsh on Harry. 😂.

2.) 17 Jul 2017 17:17:05
I think Graeme kelly on twitter is fairly reliable.

Macca on this site is overall very honest and very reliable.

If you take the 2 above opinions and cross check them with what the eds are saying then you won't be too far off.

And if that's the case then Keita is likely to sign as is VVD.


3.) 17 Jul 2017 17:50:56
It's graeme Kelly the fat kid from Bolton? If so what's he done to be considered reliable? As far as I can see he's done nothing more than guess what's going on this summer.

4.) 17 Jul 2017 17:59:40
Ok so i will give you the latest on both keita and vvd.

Keita - had a boiled egg for breakfast and a slice of brown bread, he drank coffee as this helps to keep him awake during training and suppress his appetite. He kissed his girlfriend on the left cheek before leaving her to the equivalent of jeremy kyle on german tv.

Vvd- He has been having problems with knots in his hair and scheduled a late session with an Austrian hairdressers to get his perm refreshed. Before training he gave his room mate a serious wedgie that made his baloons swell and was reprimanded for wreckless behaviour. He is frustrated by his non move to lfc and trying all he can to make a general nuisance of himself.

Disclaimer: all of this is complete ballsack but better than reading some of the other itk nonsense. 😊.




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09 Aug 2017 12:42:24
What an embarrassment you are klucas87. An utterly disgraceful and miserable excuse for a human being.
Crawl back to whatever little poop hole you reared your runt head from.

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07 Aug 2017 10:23:54
I'd hope so too Ed. As I said, seems most sensible to me. Brandt was the player originally wanted and now the likely change in circumstances should revive this option.
Thanks again for the reply.

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12 Jul 2017 13:43:45
Too right there Yankee Red.

Transfer windows now assumed same importance as matches themselves. for the fans that is.

Some HBP meds be needed for some on here.

Everyone jus need to take a chill pill and let clube get on with its business.
To get so wrapped emotionally invested in this. Crazy. It's only a transfer window. not some UCL final or BPL title decider.

You get the feeling that folks' actual health be shot were Klopp not to sign another player this window.

Just relax will ya! Gon cause yourselves stroke.

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16 Jun 2017 06:27:30
Salah must be aggrieved now havin been "agreed" a dozen more times after being first "agreed and done and dusted" in May yet still actually havin no deal in place.

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05 Jun 2017 19:32:15
So much then for reports about him going to City being a "done deal".
That said, I don't see that we gon pull this one off.

And Ed002, what's the present situation between Van Dijk and LFC from your own knowledge?


Suku Langa

{Ed002's Note - The asking price for van Dijk is beyond what other clubs value him at - Manchester City may just be stupid enough to pay it and perhaps Liverpool are desperate enough to pay it.}




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19 Aug 2017 15:20:20

You delusional? Ridiculous post mate. Hate on them, sure, I get that. But that's utterly ludicrous.
With THIS squad we have, we'll be lucky to make fourth.

Utd have went out and addressed their areas of concern and now are better and stronger for it.
Has Liverpool done the same?
Am sure we have, hence all the moaning and anxiety on these pages.

Drop the bitterness pal.

Suku Langa



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18 Aug 2017 18:52:51
Did Barcelona ACTUALLY "sell" Neymar mikey? I think you'll find that Barcelona were taken out of this equation as Neymar bought himself out of his contract. Barcelona had absolutely zero say in this.
I agree with your sentiments though.

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16 Aug 2017 10:59:07
Ed02, Van Dijk is what probably everyone would want. Easy to see why he's especially been singled out. He'd arguably be the most important signing in years as he'd address an area of major weakness and is tailor-made for Klopp's football.
I can also see a scenario where he becomes captain from the medium term.

That said, is it fair to say this transfer has been rather unlikely now, given the ealier events in the wimdow?
Even if Southampton were willing to deal with Liverpool, things will hinge on FSG. They'd have to backtrack and withdraw their apology.
And given the already muddied reputation of the club, I cannot see the owners doing that.

Am sure they'd know how crucial getting Van Dijk would be for Klopp, but they could see the reputational damaged to outweigh whatever success may be derived from Van Dijk's arrival.

The sad, very sad fact is that Liverpool probably could have done a deal by now for Van Dijk, but Klopp messed it up royally.
Whether the public apology and withdrawal of interest was the smart thing to do may be debatable.
What's not debatable is that, that apology has created a difficult situation for the club IF it stil wishes to sign the player.

Southampton may well be open to selling to us; Van Dijk could want the move; LFC could afford the fee, but would FSG backtrack? Should they backtrack? On principle, no they shouldn't. Stick to their position and avoid further muddying image of the club.

But they do that and there be a backlash from the "fans". Story will be that FSG didn't want to back Klopp and buy VVD. It will be the owners' fault if team fails this season. The hate and bile will go on and on.
And the real culprits, which IS Klopo and the other clowns at the club, would of gotten away scot free.
Klopp will now be the unfortunate victim.

So in your view Ed02, what would be the "best" way to resolve the Van Dijk issue, from the point of view of especially Liverpool and Southampton?
Should Saints sell him? Should they deal with LFC at all, or refuse, even if LFC possibly offers the most amount? Should Liverpool just move on from VVD? If Klopp makes his feelings known to FSG how critical he sees Van Dijk play purchase, should the owners back down and approve the transfer? Or should they stand firm on their apology and withdrawal of interest?

I'd really appreciate your views on this Ed02. Thanks.

Suku Langa

{Ed002's Note - This has been covered over and over and over. Move on.}



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11 Aug 2017 14:11:40

With this site going into meltdown, such relief is greatly appreciated. Thanks Kev.

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08 Aug 2017 19:18:42
Wonderful sentiment there Savvyxone. Quite refreshing. None of this bile and hating on the lad coming from some.

The posts generally across all these pages demonstrate just how far removed fans are from the reality of football dynamics.
For the fans there is only one lenses, one prism, with which to view the world of football, maybe sports in general.

Suku Langa