09 Nov 2018 12:41:24
"Ed002's Note - Klopp has failed to deliver any success at Liverpool at all to date - No League Cup, no FA Cup, no Europa League, no Premier league, no Champions League and no Frieght Rover Trophy. I am surprised that comes as a shock to you but feel free to ask about any other plain truths you are struggling with.

I appreciate that Liverpool is in transition as far as you are concerned. }"

Am afraid am in agreement with Ed02 here. Unpopular view yeah, but true nonetheless.
No one denies the progress made in terms of personnel and performance. Progress that, I'd argue, should've been made in any case.

1. No doubt that the squad's quality is higher (as well it should be, given the monies spent) .
2. Coaching, performance, and competitive edge better (again, as well it should be, given Klopp's calibre and the pounds he's paid for it) .

Now precisely due to those reasons, the argument is that the team, at various points of his tenure, was good enough to have won, at the least, very least. a trophy or 2 and competed well in the others.

Winning the league was probably a step too far. But the other trophies? Nah.
That's the whole point really.
Liverpool, as with all like teams, are judged on success. Not the "we put the pressure on" or "we playing better" kinda success.

And no, saying all of this isn't necessarily to say Klopp's must go, before y'all descend on me.
It's pointing out the facts.
And given the character of the man, Jürgen would be the first person to express disappointment that his reign has so far failed to yield a single trophy. Such are his standards.

So those of you who think they defending Klopp by glossing over the the failures are actually doing the man a disservice.

{Ed001's Note - I don't get it, what are you trying to say? Because this is a load of waffle without actually saying a blooming thing. Pointless.}

1.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 13:23:10
Under Klopp we have gone from not challenging for trophies to challenging for trophies, he’s just got to start winning things now.

2.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 13:23:43
It is just unfortunate that we are up against a team like Man City who are on another level to all other teams. If it wasn't for them, we would have won the title by now. It's all about closing the quality gap which is going to take time.

3.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 15:04:07
I'd rather have teams like ManC to fight against and still win the title. Even have a couple more teams who are just as good. Better that then win the title against weak teams and then have history call the team "lucky" or "one season wonder" as Leicester will probably be known as.

4.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 15:20:32
Ed01


Klopp has zero trophies at LFC, a no success, a failure given the monies he has spent and time he's been here. Liverpool hasn't been successful under Klopp.

He has the team playing "well" and back in the CL. But that was never the point was it? The point was SUCCESS, of which he's had NONE.

Have I managed to un-"waffle" it for you? Is it clear now?

{Ed001's Note - still just meaningless waffle. If you think he has been here so long and spent so much that he must win something then you are a typical modern day childish 'want it now' fan. You still haven't made any point other than to show what a muppet you are.}

5.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 15:41:34
Sick of this anti klopp propaganda being spouted and our club being a failure let's get one thing straight all the owners care about is profitability and growth in value to this end we have been a success.
So we have no trophies yet but to be honest we will need a bigger trophy room if we do
We are a big club we are winners we are Liverpool fc.

6.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 16:00:49
Small margins! We have got to a few finals and lost. It really comes down to how you perform on the day and maybe a degree of luck. Klopp has done well irrespective of the money he has spent. I think you also need to look at the extra revenue the club has generated by having a higher quality of player in the team and progressing that bit further. Was it £76 million for the CL last year? Klopp needs to get the monkey of his back, as do the team and win trophy, then it will become easier to win others. Very hard to consider replacing Klopp tho, who with? Someone who can guarantee winning the CL because that's how close we came last year. We need to win something and the quicker the better. Even to stop Ed002 winding some people up😉.

7.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 18:50:01
I’ve yet to see Liverpool win the prem in my lifetime and throughout those years I’ve never been so excited about our team than now. Isn’t that what footballs about? Getting fans off their feet and cheering on their team week in, week out. Look trophies are a must and Klopp will be judged on that but I still feel very privileged to have him as our manager. I’m with ED01 on this SUKU! You’ve demonstrated what today’s “fans” lack. sadly more our generation. You could be ED25 and be watching those blue noses week in, week out 😜😜😜.

{Ed025's Note - im quite happy watching the blues para, we are playing good football and are definitely on the way up mate, but we will know if we are in trouble if our supporters start moaning about drawing away at a top 4 side, or calling for the managers head if he does not win something this season, you see sometimes expectation can hang like a millstone around your neck, we are happy to see progress and entertainment which is testament to the calibre of support we have, and not the whingeing spoilt brat attitude that is being shown across the park..

8.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 19:10:19
I am a Klopp fan and to criticise for lack of a trophy is ridiculous. How about going all out to win the league cup and forget league and Champions league for now just to satisfy the moaners. We lost the Europa and Champs league finals to top teams whereas Man U virtually had a stroll. Even our domestic cups needs a bit of luck in the early rounds rather than premier league opponents.
So cheer the lads on and trust the decision makers to take us there YNWA.

9.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 19:16:59
Suku dear me. I just read posts like this and want to throw my phone at the dog. Well maybe not the dog but a brick wall and smash my head at it at the same time. Moan moan moan. Boring. Move on please.

10.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 20:04:01
I am obviously out of step with some of the posters on this site as I do not judge our team solely on the number of trophies won. It might be a generational thing as I have followed The Mighty Reds all over the UK and Europe for nearly 50 years and I have seen us win every trophy worth winning. As much as seeing us win trophies, I want to be proud of the way our team plays and represents the Liverpool FC values. Sadly, that has not always been the case over the years I have been supporting the team but with Klopp as our manager and the way the team has played under his leadership, I am damn proud of them. Don’t get me wrong, I want us to win every game we play and every competition we enter but trophies are the icing on the cake for me, not the be all and end all. As I say, it might be a generational thing and I can understand the desperation to win a trophy amongst those younger than me who have not see us “conquer all of Europe, from Paris down to Turkey” but that’s genuinely how I feel.

{Ed025's Note - respect wirral mate..

11.) 09 Nov 2018
09 Nov 2018 20:20:31
Suku, where do we even begin with the stuff you posted. First off, Klopp started challenging for trophies the day he walked in the door. He transformed us from a midtable punchline to a team that almost beat City in the EFL final and made us a force in Europe, making it to the EL final, all in his first 8 months. As anyone will tell you in any final, you need luck. In the EL final, we had Sevilla on the rack and should have taken our chances and had two pens. turned down Seville were the better team going in and they came out as such and showed it at the end.

Then, Klopp busted the top 4 heirachy in the next season, pushing out Arsenal and making it into the CL. Last season, we made another CL final and made top 4 again. In the CL final, all that good have went wrong, went wrong and that is the luck that has eluded him in his European finals. Now, he has us challenging for the PL as of right now. I think you are falling for the tripe being spouted on SM and by pundits, trying to diminish the great work Klopp has done so far by saying "Now, he has to win something or the owners will. ". The owners will do what, exactly? IMO, even they are not dumb enuff to what's going on. Even they know that regardless if he has won anything or not, Klopp is the BEST chance we have of winning anything right now, plain and simple. If he comes close and fails? We reboot and go again. Now if they are dumb enough to fire him cos he is not winning things fast enuff for them then they should go ahead and do that and see what happens. IMO, it won't be pretty. For them.

12.) 10 Nov 2018
10 Nov 2018 22:11:11
Only joking Ed25 :) you guys are playing some really neat football and Gomes looks class. Take care pal.

{Ed025's Note - nice to have a bit of banter with you para, its all good mate and a bit of rivalry is healthy imo, i do wish you luck and think you have a decent chance to lift the title this season, respect..

13.) 11 Nov 2018
11 Nov 2018 01:50:23
suku, all very well to say its not success but the oath to that is improvement first.
klopp could have won 3 league cups but it wouldn't be enough. people will say they're mickey mouse cups and success is only when we win the league. yes he's spent some money but not as much as utd, chelsea or city so by that judgment anything above 4th is success. are you really judging him as a failure based on some one game finals that could have gone either way? who would you replace him with?