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22 Jan 2025 13:12:21
Not been on for a while and forgot a little about the fans that have no clue how a club is run, but nonetheless express discontent like they do.
Firstly, unfortunately whilst it is a football club, IT IS also a business.
Secondly, it is a team sport and the best teams are made up of a collection of players with a certain quality then ‘tuned into one another, tuned into an approach, tactic (s) and strategy, tuned into a managerial capability, club ethos and culture, etc’.
Teams who buy ‘individuals’ that act like individuals, no matter what quality, most definitely struggle!
Whilst. all teams ultimately have some prized assets (as fans might see them) they are all relatively short term assets typically.
1.) 22 Jan 2025 15:15:17
So all fans have no clue how a club is run? Tell us what makes you an exception?
2.) 22 Jan 2025 16:36:58
None of us had any idea how to run a football club Leek and that’s his point and is what makes all of the histrionics so difficult to listen to.
It’s fine if you are part of the club and have knowledge on the situation but we don’t. Doesn’t stop people whining though does it?
People are just so entitled these days and if things don’t work out exactly as they want they fly off the handle. Sad really.
3.) 22 Jan 2025 20:17:21
Leek - it's like how fans have no real idea of how the contract negotiations are going other than that there hasn't been a contract signed. Speculation as to why the contracts haven't been signed are delivered by people on here as fact and absolute statements are made about certain people and the club.
4.) 22 Jan 2025 21:48:25
Exactly Beckers!
Hard and frustrating to have to explain the simple I know but thank you!
11 Nov 2024 14:51:02
I will always be thankful to Jurgen for what he brought back. He is definitely #1 for building sides he has shown that time and time again at his few clubs. It has been the sustaining that has been the greatest challenge at all and it is not just the best squad in city that he has been up against but the best all-round manager if I am really fair over a sustained period of time.
Couple that with a weaker chasing pack (save Arsenal in 2 recent seasons) . The tactics have n been ok with the Liverpool management over his tenure the passion, the team build and the motivation second to none!
So far so good with his replacement.
1.) 12 Nov 2024 12:42:04
And long may that continue, Metro.
10 Nov 2024 12:17:14
Trent, VVD, Salah are not dead certs for the all-time Liverpool XI team. All time greats are a matter of opinion just as 'who’s the best player in the world' and 'what’s the best club in the world'. we all have our opinions!
Late 70s and early 80s provide a significant volume of the best 11 for me! I for example would put King Kenny as Liverpool’s best player ever by a country mile - he was a joy to watch and even in his twilight player manager years that run off the ball in the 1986 cup final is still my greatest Liverpool watch. But I appreciate that’s my opinion, not fact.
I would also argue it was also harder to replace such a man than any since!
1.) 10 Nov 2024 12:53:03
Right, that’s just your opinion and let’s not impose it on the younger generation of fans who has seen different set of players.
Gerrard for me.
2.) 10 Nov 2024 13:15:57
My all time Liverpool X1, based on players that I've watched, would be:-
Alisson
Nicol
VVD
Hansen
Lawrenson
Souness
Gerrard
Salah
Sir Kenny Dalglish
Barnes
Rush
I've always struggled with coming up with a full back combination, and a couple of seasons back I would've had Trent in there, with Nicol at left back. Left back is a position where I don't think we've had a truly world class player, in my time of watching. Lawrenson gets in there due to his versatility.
Regards to centre forward it was a toss up between Suarez and Rush. I was swayed by the hatefulness of Suarez, as a person, in him not getting a spot. When it came to sheer playing ability, he was one of the best players I've seen for us.
This is a favourite topic for a pub table and we will all disagree with one another, I know.
3.) 10 Nov 2024 13:09:19
Salah and Virgil are in there for me, no issue whatsoever. Salah’s numbers over the seasons he has been here are just unreal . Virgil? just a machine, Rolls Royce of a player, not seen in our team since the great Alan Hansen.
4.) 10 Nov 2024 14:03:29
It’s crazy how some of those players being mentioned are from a time where Liverpool and Nottingham Forrest were the best two teams in the Land.
And they still both are now ?.
5.) 10 Nov 2024 15:39:10
Does being in an all time 11 actually have any bearing on what the club do or think of them.
Surely the fact they’re in our best 11 this season is what counts.
6.) 10 Nov 2024 16:33:21
Rome 77 has it spot on for me from the the players in my lifetime apart from Phil Neil gets in instead of Lawro.
7.) 10 Nov 2024 16:42:15
Its should JK, to get in the alltime 11 of the most successful team in the land you have to be pretty decent.
8.) 10 Nov 2024 17:19:32
just my opinion but any all time XI has to include Hansen, Gerrard, King Kenny, Barnes and Rush. again, just my opinion.
9.) 10 Nov 2024 17:05:37
So if they can’t get in the all time 11 then it’s a no from you in regards to them staying mate?
10.) 10 Nov 2024 17:32:24
Oh! Stone! it's good to see you back mate!
11.) 10 Nov 2024 17:32:28
Rome’s all time 11 pretty much spot on. Though I would have Robertson or Nicol at left back, Trent or Neal at right back. And possibly Clemence in goal.
Honourable mentions to Whelan, Henderson, Beardsley and Aldridge. And Lawrenson and Carragher.
But it’s quite something that so many of the current era can stake a claim in the all time 11. Alisson, Virgil, Trent, Salah, Robertson all true greats. Henderson and Mane were too.
And if Konate’s upward trajectory continues, then he could be knocking on the door.
12.) 10 Nov 2024 17:39:16
Thanks mate. I got drunk and was a complete a$$ to the eds. should have been banned to be honest. Haven't had a drink since January 23.
13.) 10 Nov 2024 18:17:12
Well done Stone, it takes a big man to admit his mistakes and an even bigger man to give up alcohol.
I have just done a month alcohol-free, driven by horrific dental surgery and it was tough. Kudos to you.
14.) 10 Nov 2024 18:38:42
Trying to pick an all time team just can’t be done. I’m in my late 60’s but just missed watching Billy Liddell a player regarded as good enough to earn the team the name Liddelpooland there were others, notably Elisha Scott, who would probably have a claim. I’m not trying to have a go but the club has been around since 1892 and you could make a case for the very first team being all time greats. Without them we might not be bickering about the need for a DCM or for Nunez to start or not. Given everybody’s age it might be worth calling it the best team since 1975 - 50 years - as, invariably, the picks come from that timeframe.
I’d go with a
Ali
Neal
Lawrenson
Hansen
VVD
Alonso
Gerrard
Barnes
Dalglish
Salah
Rush.
15.) 10 Nov 2024 18:58:18
Souness over alonso. Alonso became elite when he left us. His years at Liverpool do not compare to Souness.
16.) 10 Nov 2024 19:46:33
I love alonso but souness for me. He was the general of the best midfield in the world at the time. And through sheer force of personality he would have improved Gerrard's game as well.
17.) 10 Nov 2024 21:26:40
I have no issues with the original slections having watched them all.
I would like to add a few subs though.
I recently watched a Suarez on Youtube, and I admired how he could score goals out of nothing. Next video up was Robbie Fowlers goals and I then realised that Robbie could also, so he would be one of my subs
Beardsley was a very clever player as was Jari Litmanen although he was only with us for 18 months he made a big impression on me, so he would be my 2nd sub. Goalie Sub Kelleher all day long.
18.) 10 Nov 2024 22:21:33
Alisson Trent Virgil Hansen Robbo Souness Gerrard Barnes Salah Dalglish Rush
Subs: Clemence Neal Hughes Nicol Mane
I think sometimes we underappreciate the numbers that Alisson Trent Robbo Virgil Salah and even Mane put up. It’s insane.
19.) 11 Nov 2024 00:26:42
Well done Stone mate, onwards and upwards.
20.) 11 Nov 2024 00:37:09
How any of you can have this discussion on not include Paul Konchesky is beyond me.
21.) 11 Nov 2024 05:38:38
Firmino is one of the best forwards ever to play for the reds in my opinion.
22.) 11 Nov 2024 05:39:11
i am amazed not a single person has mentioned Kevin Keegan.
23.) 11 Nov 2024 09:10:16
You are right, Telemicus, Keegan nearly always gets overlooked. This is maybe due to the fact the man bought to replace him went on to become an absolute club icon. Also, it can be argued, Keegan went on to have his best years after he left us, becoming European footballer of the year. He was certainly my idol when I first started supporting us but, you are right, he rarely gets a mention. He makes my subs bench.
24.) 11 Nov 2024 09:53:46
From what I can see, only two people picked king Kenny?
Very surprised at that.
How about an all time eleven comprised of English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh players?
25.) 11 Nov 2024 10:10:32
Clemence
Nicol
Hansen
Lawreson
Neal
Souness
Gerrard
Barnes
Owen ( even though I personally can't stand the smug pr#ck)
King Kenny
And god of course.
26.) 11 Nov 2024 10:45:50
For me, on pure ability, 1st and second picks, and at the peak of their powers and having seen them playz which limits me to the 90's onwards.
Ali - Reina
Finnan - Trent
Virgil -
Hyypia - Carragher
Robertson - Riise
Alonso - Redknapp
Fabinho - Mascherano
Barnes - Mane
Gerrard - Coutinho
Salah - Garcia
Suarez - Fowler.
27.) 11 Nov 2024 10:46:30
Clemence
Nicol
Hansen
Thompson
Lawrenson
Gerrard
Souness
Barnes
Dalglish
Fowler
Keegan.
28.) 11 Nov 2024 11:07:52
Can't believe I left out Rush, replace the smug pr#ck with him.
29.) 11 Nov 2024 13:22:34
Stupid me! I too left out Rush. Take out Keegan and replace with Rush!
30.) 11 Nov 2024 14:30:24
Fowler in while leaving out Salah, Virg, Alisson and Trent? I loved Fowler but he couldn't make an all time XI, unfortunately. Had he cared for his body better and had Ged not sold him before he reached his peak, he may well have challenged the numbers Rushie put up.
Owen? Coutinho? Riise? Garcia? Good grief.
31.) 11 Nov 2024 14:39:20
To be fair to all our players over the seasons i would be more inclined to pick the best lfc squad of 25 players.
32.) 11 Nov 2024 15:04:37
FPF, the latest bit of fun was selecting British and Irish born players.
09 Nov 2024 13:16:30
I am a fan of Macca and can’t see where the negativity is founded but it’s all opinion and fortunately right now for the player, it is Arne Slot's opinion that counts most ??.
1.) 09 Nov 2024 15:11:09
I think he’s playing well below the level he should be at.
The play acting doesn’t help his case either, he’s never going to be popular with the fans when he acts like a big baby.
2.) 09 Nov 2024 15:59:08
Out of form but still quality.
He will get back to form.
Some fans want him sold. I don’t you look to sell a player after 10 league games playing below his level.
Stick with players and let the coaches work with them to get them going again.
Ryan Gravenberch should be a lesson to all of us on how a player can turn it around and prove people wrong.
You don’t go from a good player to a bad player overnight. These are human beings, not robots. They will have good spells and bad spells.
3.) 09 Nov 2024 16:37:21
He is popular with supporters, mikey.
08 Nov 2024 10:48:16
Getting real tired of the "those contracts" criticism from folk who little know the depth of contact / discussion in this forum. The finger pointing to Slot's superiors who, let's face it, recruited him!
This club will turn over players over time and it is not nice to lose a gem or two but this club is also bigger than its individual parts, it is well run (look at some comparatives) AND many a player have been worse off (career wise) after leaving and better off (career wise) after joining.
Let's enjoy the current and look to the future YNWA.
1.) 08 Nov 2024 10:56:12
Letting three valuable assets walk away for free is not good business. No matter what business you are in. Saying that if they walk away I'll wish them luck and thank them for great the memories.
2.) 08 Nov 2024 11:25:19
You are right Metro. All we can do is specualte and criticize.
Endo3 - do you think LFC management will not know that?
3.) 08 Nov 2024 11:30:57
The big question is whether three all-timers are walking away because we think we're smarter and can cheat the market forces in football. I think that would be incredibly a stupid thing to do.
I don't believe these are greedy players. They will, quite rightly, be asking for what the market values them at.
If they move on because we think we can cheat the market, then we can never be an elite club in the eyes of the next generation of potential stars.
A reminder, these 3 players make our all-time XI and are currently performing at the top of their game.
4.) 08 Nov 2024 11:48:02
That’s the point though Endo we don’t know enough about it to say that we are letting three valuable assets walk away for free.
Do you really think that the people whose job it is to sort the contracts have just been sitting at their desk playing Candy Crush or something? They know far more than we do about what’s good for the business so it’s much more likely that there are other scenarios happening here.
Either they did this on purpose because they feel it’s better for the business or the players themselves have said they don’t want to sign new contracts.
Either way we don’t know enough about it to speculate or lay blame at anyone’s door. I am constantly seeing people criticising the club, Hughes, his predecessors from a position of complete ignorance. Let’s just see how it pans out and I’m sure we’ll find out more about what happened in time.
5.) 08 Nov 2024 12:02:24
Pelican, I agree with everything you have said. But as you know, this is a numbers game and you hit the spot right there where you say the question will be what the players feel they are worth in the open market and what the club think they can offer based on that.
IMO, Salah and VVD are open to staying and the club is more than open to keeping them. The question will be what the pay package will be and most importantly, the length of contract. We're going to have to see. People saying let them go should realise that there are PL clubs ready to take them. There are City fans saying their club should go for Salah should we release him. Keep that in mind.
As for Trent? I hope he stays for sure BUT I think he is gone, man and money may not have nothing to do with it right now. I hope Im wrong but just my take.
6.) 08 Nov 2024 12:27:49
Salah and van Dijk are all-timers, is Trent really? Ahead of Neal and Nicol?
7.) 08 Nov 2024 12:48:04
Vvd over Hanson? Salah is in our best 11, it's a tie between him and Gerrard for our best player since the 80s.
8.) 08 Nov 2024 13:04:37
Put it this way, whilst we may know the ins and outs Virg said in an interview after one of the European games ( I think ) he had not been approached by the club, so if they walk away on a free, absolutely it's slots superiors fault.
9.) 08 Nov 2024 14:38:15
Drogie, his agent may have been approached and the gap between demands and offer are too high.
In my world, clubs talk to agents. You don’t want to distract a player by doing loads of contract negotiations. That’s why he has an agent.
The player concentrates on training and playing. The agent does the negotiations and the player comes in at the end and agrees the deal or not.
10.) 08 Nov 2024 14:43:36
@Musiala and @Dslatt, I think he means all-timers for LFC in the PL era. I may be wrong, tho.
11.) 08 Nov 2024 16:16:13
The problem is not letting them leave it’s replacing them. For the last couple of years we have been after a lcb and a rw add to that probably a lb and dcm are these players going to miraculously appear and sign? We dither and reportedly flip flop so I hold no hope of replacing 3 star players the club could survive a year out the champions league but could the team? City due a rebuild now and more than likely Utd will back there new manager. Lot of ducks in a row needed to replace them.
12.) 08 Nov 2024 17:01:58
Spot on, Scouse. Also by keeping VVD and Salah (not sure Trent stays), it will give us more time to find suitable replacements for them.
Also, the club had better understand that if both VVD and Salah play the way they are playing till the end of the season, good luck to them trying to explain to the fan base why they weren't kept.
It's all about who has more leverage in the negotiations at this point. And who doesn't. That's wgy such talks (esp. with big money involved) takes very long.
13.) 08 Nov 2024 20:04:24
Has it been announced that all three are ‘walking away’?
Even if they are, it would be their choice to do so wouldn’t it and they genuinely do want to leave - any or all f them - what do people think the club can do? From my perspective, if they do actually want to leave then it’s thanks for the good memories and their efforts and best wishes for the future. If you don’t want to be here than it is better for the squad that they go.
The same with people who’ve been offered the chance to play for us but chose to go somewhere else. So, again from my perspective, no thanks Tchouameni and no thanks Zubimendi.
14.) 08 Nov 2024 21:21:16
I remember Klopp being criticised for being too loyal and hanging onto players for too long.
If it's about getting a fee for three great servants, would you have sold them last summer and not had them playing their part in our great start to this season?
15.) 09 Nov 2024 05:02:36
Talking of clubs negotiating with agents rather than players doesn’t get the air time it deserves.
Imagine Man United negotiating with Kevin Moran back in the day or with Wayne Rooney or us with McAteer - I’d pay money to watch the negotiations.
16.) 09 Nov 2024 10:54:52
We don’t know the ins and outs of contracts.
But do we know the ins and outs of anything that happens at these clubs?
Would be a pretty boring site if opinions on all things football weren’t allowed.
17.) 09 Nov 2024 12:15:04
Rigsby, Klopp was being criticised for hanging on to players who clearly had nothing more to offer the club anymore, something that is currently not happening with these 3 players in question at this time. That is the difference in terms of context.
18.) 09 Nov 2024 17:23:20
How do YOU know what we’re looking for and when we are looking for it?
Like I say unless we are otherwise in the formal know, and if we were I’m sure we’d have some confidentiality requirement/ expectation, then actually it is all crystal balling and really only based on our own views of what we think is needed and, with respect, if you really knew what was needed you are in the wrong job (which I doubt) .
It’s frustrating - leave it to the experts at the club, a club which, again let’s face it, ain’t at all bad at what it does!
29 Jan 2025 00:37:43
Don’t rate Tarko one bit. Braithwaite ok for me but let’s face it they ain’t blowing the prem away with their ability to defend a bottom 6 finish.
Quansah I like at least as much as Braithwaite but more than anything o like that Slot is using him moderately and trying to build his confidence.
Remains to be seen if he will ultimately make it, same with Braithwaite. Tarko has and will continue to be (as long as he continues) a relegation battler!
22 Jan 2025 22:16:16
When we have success on the Pitch that it has absolutely nothing to do with the club and the way it is run is an absolutely bonkers thing to think!
I detest Man U with a passion but they, like us, are rich in heritage and even in their lowly position the resources they have (including the manager) are not bottom half table resources but just look at them in the field of play they typically seem disinterested demotivated by the club. It isn’t the manager that is demotivating them a new guy with a passion and some credibility it is the wider organisation of the club. If our players were as disenchanted with this club there is absolutely no way we would be where we are.
You can read it all on the field of play, it couldn’t be hidden!
02 Jan 2025 17:36:03
The club maketh the player. Odds are against them being better of (other than financially) elsewhere!
Seen it more times than not, right?!
02 Jan 2025 17:34:33
Yep club is bigger than any player. At some point every player at this club will be spent! (Just like a FOOLISH CLUBS money - which we are not! )
17 Oct 2024 07:36:58
Styles have short term impact until teams figure it out. It was other teams (lower than top 4) that started to figure it out and so you have to have an adaptation of style to counter it.
Yes you also need the resources but typically short term tactics should be just that and adaptable teams stay the test of time.
22 Jan 2025 21:48:25
Exactly Beckers!
Hard and frustrating to have to explain the simple I know but thank you!
25 Nov 2024 10:46:40
Not been on site for couple of weeks also. So so sorry to hear - the tributes say it all. RIP Ed2.
09 Nov 2024 17:23:20
How do YOU know what we’re looking for and when we are looking for it?
Like I say unless we are otherwise in the formal know, and if we were I’m sure we’d have some confidentiality requirement/ expectation, then actually it is all crystal balling and really only based on our own views of what we think is needed and, with respect, if you really knew what was needed you are in the wrong job (which I doubt) .
It’s frustrating - leave it to the experts at the club, a club which, again let’s face it, ain’t at all bad at what it does!
01 Nov 2024 21:42:24
Scoring 5 and more importantly conceding 2 to a second string team who’s first string is relegation threatened side that has two eyes quite correctly on a six pointer game this weekend is hardly the taps hot water gushing out?!
I’m thinking even ten Hag would have got that result but glad for Man U fans to be otherwise deceived into thinking different.
25 Oct 2024 17:32:43
Another decent performance. This is a “team” which is great to see rather than a set of individuals. Personally I like MacAllister and generally disagree with the negative chat he’s getting, similarly Jota when fit, but we all have our views. A couple of games each this season I’d have had either one of them MOM and that leaves only 8. Grav has definitely found his place in the “team” good on him our overall best over 12 and definitely most improved!