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20 Jul 2023 12:34:22
Eds, a quick question. I have searched, but cannot find anything definitive.
With Henderson and Fabinho all but confirmed as leaving, are the club looking at bringing in two CM options?
There was confirmed interest in Lavia prior to these two moves happening, so with two more going, it would seem at least two more need to come in.
If so, would both be defensive minded players?
Thanks.
{Ed002's Note - I remain of the opinion the club will look to a CM and a DM - the club have been looking at such players for months so they will not be signing more midfield players than that and I would expect the club to take account of their versatility - and they have been doing that with some they have looked at. They still desire a CB if possible - although no-one has suggested that perhaps it is time for Billy Koumetio or Jarell Quansah to at least provide cover.}
1.) 20 Jul 2023 13:05:32
Thanks ED. So maybe a Doucoure type and then a Thuram type who can cover a variety of positions. That makes a lot of sense.
I hope a CB comes in, although both those options seem promising youngsters.
2.) 20 Jul 2023 13:47:03
Thanks, Ed02.
3.) 20 Jul 2023 14:15:32
A CM and a DM Ed002 you say. Do you know anything of the often-linked-to-Liverpool Zielinski's future atm or Amrabat? I believe experienced players are required right now and they'd fit the bill.
{Ed002's Note - I have previously answered but Piotr Zielinski (CM) will be available in the summer but at 29 he may no longer be of interest to Liverpool. Agent wants Middle East. Lazio want a bargain.
Sofyan Amrabat (DM/CM) Fiorentina were expecting to lose money on a sale but an excellent World Cup has changed that. Spurs contacted Fiorentina through a third party to take him as an Ndombele replacement in the summer, and Liverpool, Barcelona and Nice have had scouts watch him and have spoken with his representatives, but seemingly not Fiorentina yet. His repressentatives walked out on a discussion with Liverpool due to something Klopp said in January and if they wish to revive interest they will need to resolve that. Fiorentina reported Barcelona for making a direct approach to Amrabat in January but they have patched things up and something may be possible. Agent has spoken with Arsenal and Chelsea as well. The player says he wants to move to Barcelona or Atletico Madrid and I understand that Atletico Madrid are keen to strike a deal. West Ham give an unlikely option. A whatif answer may be PSG if they appoint Mr Mourinho as their new coach. A wildcard option will be Inter Milan who are looking to replace Brozovic and will guarantee a starting place for him.}
4.) 20 Jul 2023 14:36:19
Wow thank you very much Ed002 and apologies for making you repeat yourself. It is appreciated.
{Ed002's Note - It is OK now and again.}
5.) 20 Jul 2023 16:36:25
Maybe I'm pushing the boat out, and he hasn't played any football this year, but I always thought Isco was a relable midfielder. Would he not be an option Ed?
6.) 20 Jul 2023 18:08:06
Fair play, Ed. You've consistent in your views. I hope you're right.
7.) 20 Jul 2023 18:10:50
I think we need 3 midfielders more. Trent looks like he’s going to play there so that makes it 2.
A DM is priority. We could also seriously do with a Central Defender
Ed if you’re not busy. A question I’ve not seen asked yet.
Have Liverpool looked at any Right Back options?
Sent scouts out etc?
I do like the look of Bradley but he’s obviously raw, I’m wondering if we’re looking at any “out and out” right back options, not versatile players that can say (do a job) in that position.
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11 Aug 2023 10:19:45
Wow, what a move. I am extremely surprised, but delighted with the Caicedo deal.
He is perfect for what Klopp wants from a CDM. Mobile, good in the air, good at breaking up play, as well as progressive and decent enough with the ball.
From our midfield three last year to Mac, Dom and Caicedo takes us from a mid table three to genuine contenders for strongest in the league.
I am super excited for this season now. I would still like to see a LCB to come in and then potentially additional cover for midfield, but it is nice to see the club have a proper go at rebuilding the team and fully backing Klopp.
The squad is arguably Klopp's strongest ever in terms of options, so let's see what he can do.
1.) 11 Aug 2023 10:34:08
And. I know 111 mill seems a lot but considering the bargain we paid for Mac. That would be 146 mill for 2 high quality midfielders.
2.) 11 Aug 2023 11:01:21
I said it at the time after I watched Utd lost to Brighton that whoever gets both Mac and Caicedo as a tandem would have a boss midfield. Still can’t believe it is my club who would be that team who got both of them. Brilliant business even tho I think we overpaid for Caicedo, tbh.
3.) 11 Aug 2023 11:04:17
Can the FSG out brigade now apologize?
4.) 11 Aug 2023 11:24:38
Hes apparently having second thoughts, hasn't left London yet and wants to go the Chelsea who are apparently willing to make a bigger bid than Liverpool. Not FSGs fault of course but im sure they will get blamed.
5.) 11 Aug 2023 11:27:05
Sounds like the player don’t want to come to us according to Sky.
{Ed002's Note - He has previously said he wants to move to Real Madrid at somepoint in his career and that he "could not turn down Chelsea".}
6.) 11 Aug 2023 11:40:30
This really doesn’t sound good! It’s hard to believe the club would bid that amount of money without being assured he’d want to join?
7.) 11 Aug 2023 11:42:08
It looks less likely that it's going to happen now, frustrating but what can you do when the player doesn't want it.
8.) 11 Aug 2023 11:45:45
I have been checking news on this since 6am this morning. I keep waiting for something to happen and fall through. Something feels off with it. Maybe its just paranoia.
9.) 11 Aug 2023 11:54:05
As a Liverpool fan it’s easy to choose Liverpool over every other club but even with taking off my red tinted glasses I’d have still thought from a footballing point of view at this time Liverpool would be a bigger draw and playing under Klopp.
Chelsea are a massive club also but they seem to be in disarray since their take over.
Perhaps the pull of living in London is huge to players.
{Ed002's Note - The players do not live in London with the exception of Lukaku who lives in the Chelsea Harbour Hotel when he with the club.}
10.) 11 Aug 2023 12:25:28
Why can't the LFC brains trust just buy whoever ed002 and 001 suggest? I think we'd save a fortune and be much better off.
11.) 11 Aug 2023 12:56:54
Is that so? Then if that’s the case then, Caicedo is what many people thought he was from the start.
13 Jul 2023 11:37:15
Just wanted to give my thoughts on the current rumours regarding Henderson and Fabinho.
It would be a big shift in policy from Klopp and the club, but if we can get circa £50m for the pair and bring in two additional midfielders (Lavia and a proven starter), I think it would make a lot of sense.
We have all moaned about Klopp being too sentimental and letting the squad get old and stale. We have also lost too many of our experienced players on free transfers and this would give much needed money to fund the rebuild.
It is a big loss of experience, but neither are going to get any better, and why not do all the rebuild this summer and let the new squad fully gel. Rather than do some this year and then those two (and possibly Thiago etc) go next year for free or a significantly lower fee.
We have enough quality and leadership across the squad and we have seen with City losing captains in Kompany, Fernandinho and Gundogan, that sometimes the hard choice at the right time is the best way to go.
Just my thoughts, but I do feel we need at least one top option to come in to make it good business.
1.) 13 Jul 2023 12:04:54
Good post mate.
My concern would be that Hendo and Fabs leave to balance the books for our already 2 new signings.
If one of or both Hendo and Fab then quality has to be brought in to replace and give us a strong squad.
2.) 13 Jul 2023 11:54:48
I'm of similar ilk to above post, us lfc fans have constantly criticised Klopp for "too much loyalty" in his players and be more ruthless. Henderson was an absolute legend for this club amd the years of service he put in and what he won won't go un noticed by a lot of the supporters but as a logical point, he 33 has been on the decline for last 12 months and maybe wants a nice pay day b4 he sets off in sun with his family? I think he deserves (and by looks of it lfc do to) what he wants to do. I don't think we will make it a difficult move if he requests it and I don't think we will force him out either. Choice will be his. Unfortunately loosing a captain and a vice captain in one summer could bite us in backside, but could also be the making of one (TAA anyone) we will just have to wait and see. I just hope if reports are to be believed and we considering selling fabinho aswel that the money is invested well. Lavia looks a good player but if I'm not mistaken only has about 18 prem games under his belt. I'm not against signing him just hope we get another one with a bit more experience about them to help steady what could be a turbulent season ahead.
3.) 13 Jul 2023 11:57:22
It feels like way too much change in one go, but like falling in love, you can’t choose when it happens to you. If we are being offered the chance to get substantial fees for our declining assets, we should take it, even if the timing isn’t perfect.
I do wonder whether both of them leaving would prompt a further two midfield signings, rather than one. Shedding five midfielders and bringing in another four sounds like lunacy.
4.) 13 Jul 2023 12:52:11
Exactly, AW. I am not sure the club previewed this whole Hendo or even Thiago conundrum happening because right at the end of last season, the club came out and said that Matip, Thiago and Kellherher were staying. Hendo and Fab were not even mentioned.
Now we have Thiago and possibly Hendo leaving (Fab ain't going nowhere, IMO) so it seems the club was caught on the hop. We already lost Milner as a leader and strong influence in the DR. We cannot lose Hendo too cos that makes no sense on a leadership level, IMO. Now if he wants to go then by all means, let him go. Same for Thiago. But we should not be trying to run Hendo (and Fab) outta town either, IMO.
As for the replacements, Im not bothere about that cos for me, we should not sell both Hendo and Milner in one window. That's way too much, IMO.
5.) 13 Jul 2023 13:21:54
Like if we play hypotheticals which are always fun. We could sell Thiago hendo and fabinho and bring in Lavia and Thuram.
That would leave our midfield as:
MacA
Jones
Szoboszlai
Thuram
Harvey
Lavia
Baj
I think that is done from oldest to youngest as well unless I'm missing someone.
Technically could this team get through the year? I'm not sure it's borderline and would be a huge risk relying not only on these young players but also on none of them picking up injuries really.
Would be crazy to go from one of the oldest midfields in the league to possibly the youngest midfield squad ever in the league?
6.) 13 Jul 2023 13:26:38
I do agree that it seems like a lot to do in one window and both will be a big loss.
But it has to be done sooner rather than later. We can't have loads of ageing players on big wages not contributing. We have VVD, Salah, Matip, Thaigo, Hendo and Fabinho all on massive contracts, all of whom will need replacing over the next couple of years.
Without the alleged £50m or so, how much money will we need to replace that many quality players?
People call for Gvradiol, Tchoumeni etc, but there isn't a bottomless pit of money, so I would take the funds whilst we can and reinvest into younger players.
Will be tough to say goodbye as they have both played such a massive part in us winning the lot, but maybe it is the right time.
7.) 13 Jul 2023 13:39:13
why isn't fab going? He's the most likely to go, since he's been so so for a while, and is worth the most. A new, more mobile player coming in should improve the play right away.
8.) 13 Jul 2023 13:47:39
yet to see Klopp bring in a midfielder who settled straight away. Guess he's up for a challenge.
9.) 13 Jul 2023 13:59:25
We will need another 2 midfielders now he’s agreed to leave.
10.) 13 Jul 2023 14:08:24
If we manage to get 50m for Fabinho and Henderson, take it, run, and don’t stop. We should then attempt to sign either Tchouameni or Caicedo. Forget Thuram, the former two are world class midfielders who would do well at Liverpool. Caicedo would have the added bonus of wrecking Chelsea’s summer transfer plans to a large extent.
{Ed002's Note - Good old Liverpool and the schadenfreude. It is a pity they cannot find the right players, negotiate and buy them.}
11.) 13 Jul 2023 14:26:38
Sounds like Hendo is pushing for the move as he’s agreed terms and it’s over to LFC to decide.
If it was any other footballer outside of our club we wouldn’t be selling he’s moving for first team football or the euros.
There’s only one reason players go to Saudi and I’m not saying that’s right or wrong as it’s totally up to them. I’m just saying that’s the truth of it.
12.) 13 Jul 2023 15:51:57
Is it to late to offer contracts to Milly, Naby and Ox?
13.) 13 Jul 2023 16:14:17
TWRed_92, I hear you esp. on your first paragraph and you know, things can really change in football very quickly but it just seems too much, too soon and all coming in at the same time.
Thanks heavens, Klopp and the club are paid to handle such things and not me.
14.) 13 Jul 2023 17:52:53
I think this is sort of exciting and terrifying at the same time. The exciting part is getting to see a new and younger midfield. The terrifying part is that all of the top experience would be leaving. That said, Salah, VVD, Robbo and others staying will be a good test of leadership for them.
It's my hope that arriving players have the experience and leadership qualities to succeed. That's the hope of most transfers. Alexis has the experience of the PL, Szobolai (sp? ) Has top flight and CL experience.
I hope the club goes back in for Thuram if possible, and then a couple other options. It'll be interesting to see what new options present themselves as well.
Exciting times ahead.
15.) 13 Jul 2023 20:23:38
Dbav, Im more terrified than excited right now, to be fair.
10 Aug 2023 15:29:33
My two pence on this is that if the Caicedo interest is true it makes complete sense. I could not see the logic in getting Lavia to be the one and only CDM in the squad. He has a lot of potential, but is not ready to be a regular starter across a full season.
I always thought he was going to be a project alongside a more experienced player. I worried we were putting all our eggs in the Tchou basket and would end up short. Caicedo fits in the ready to start bracket. He proved last year alongside Mac that they could match any midfield in tge league.
He would be transformative and maybe the club have heard Chelsea are not prepared to pay and are willing to pay the extra for a ready made starter. I guess it would be him only and not one additional CM, but I would rather one top player than a back up and a project player.
It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but it makes complete sense to me and also for Chelsea. They get two in, which they need for the combined cost of Caicedo and we get our ready made Fabinho replacement.
Cheers.
{Ed002's Note - Perhaps Liverpool should make an offer of £100M then?}
20 Jul 2023 13:05:32
Thanks ED. So maybe a Doucoure type and then a Thuram type who can cover a variety of positions. That makes a lot of sense.
I hope a CB comes in, although both those options seem promising youngsters.
13 Jul 2023 14:45:02
The recent information might explain why interest in some players was shelved the last week or two. Didn't make sense to fully commit without knowing who was staying or going.
If both Hendo and Fab go, I hope it is the following:
1X top 6
1x young 6/ 8
1x left sided CB
That squad will be ready to compete with an extremely high ceiling.
13 Jul 2023 11:58:25
Is Florentino Luis still of interest?
{Ed002's Note - No, he is heading elsewhere.}
13 Jul 2023 11:43:53
Thanks Ed, does this mean Liverpool will look for someone more experienced than Lavia if Fabinho is to leave? It seems a big ask for a 19 year old to become the first choice DM in a top 4 side.
{Ed002's Note - I expect someone more experienced.}
17 Jul 2023 10:19:34
It feels like it has to be 2 CMs and one LCB regardless of Henderson going or not.
With Fab out we have no recognised option for the holding role. We need one specialist and then a versatile option who can cover there if needed and also play further forward.
If we do that and then get a strong left footed CB we will be very well set for next season. Anything less and we will be left short again.
Also need to consider that Thiago, Matip and maybe others will be off this season or next as well, so more work still to be done.
14 Jul 2023 16:53:49
I would be concerned about him playing that role in the 3-2-2-3. It would really go against his strengths and expose his weaknesses.
If we stick with that system, that role and the holding role recruitment will need to be spot on.
13 Jul 2023 13:26:38
I do agree that it seems like a lot to do in one window and both will be a big loss.
But it has to be done sooner rather than later. We can't have loads of ageing players on big wages not contributing. We have VVD, Salah, Matip, Thaigo, Hendo and Fabinho all on massive contracts, all of whom will need replacing over the next couple of years.
Without the alleged £50m or so, how much money will we need to replace that many quality players?
People call for Gvradiol, Tchoumeni etc, but there isn't a bottomless pit of money, so I would take the funds whilst we can and reinvest into younger players.
Will be tough to say goodbye as they have both played such a massive part in us winning the lot, but maybe it is the right time.