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01 Jan 2020 07:56:38
Hello Everybody . Welcome to 2020.
Since, we are all talking about marginal offside calls, measured in millimeters even, i would like to state the positive factor in this issue.
Manchester City, esp. Sterling, Aguero, jesus thrive on early runs to get behind the line, same with Mane and Salah. The deceptive runs/ attempts to run in behind is perilously critical to a back four maintaining an offside line. If we recall this strict offside rule back and say we accept these players being a few millies and centimetres offside, then we are going to be giving in to these players. Because added with the knowledge that he is allowed a leeway of a few inches, Raheem sterling alone can cause mayhem in the premier league., not to mention about the others.
Cheers.

1.) 01 Jan 2020 09:15:34
I think the only people going out about it all the time are the pundits, if we give them leeway how much offside do you have to be and an inch or a foot then there is still going to be some one that's a millimetre over that. Is it not the same with goal line technology the ball was only 2 millimetres form being over the line give them there goal. if a player is just offside the defence has held there line good.

{Ed001's Note - the line is a fixed point and so the accuracy is excellent. Offsides are being measured in mm but the accuracy is nowhere near that good. So they could actually be onside by a significant margin when VAR is giving them offside. That is why you should give a bit of leeway, because otherwise we are likely to be getting the wrong decisions.}

2.) 01 Jan 2020 09:37:32
Ed, happy new year!
Where you stand on VAR’s place in the game overall?
For all the current arguments against it, I simply cannot agree to go back to a game that is adjudged solely by Atkinson, Moss, Taylor et al. Their atrocious performances were ruining the enjoyment for me far more than any wait for VAR.

{Ed001's Note - just needs to be run by an independent body that's all.}

3.) 01 Jan 2020 11:31:55
They are offside or not if there not interfering with the play why are they on the pitch then?

4.) 01 Jan 2020 12:28:08
My two cents for a simpler decision. They put a line where the defender is and they put a line where the attacker is. If those lines between the defender and attacker overlap then maybe it is too marginal and a decision of offside should not be given. If there is grass between the lines then offside should be given.

5.) 01 Jan 2020 13:56:43
I am with you, Ed and Barnesboy. The whole "you are either onside or offside" is a pathetic argument cos one could say that you could also be level and in that way, we used to allow goals to stand so why stop that cos we have VAR?

The fixed line is fine cos well, that was the way it was being adjudged before VAR came into effect. The issue here is as you say, measuring offsides based on milimeters or even a quarter inch. For me, that is just a disaster waiting to happen cos you cannot be that accurate all the time, hence the issues we are having. The ref should be given full discretion to say "No, that is not enuff to call offside as it is TOO close to call so the decision on the pitch stands". Hence IMO if it is that close, some leeway needs to be given and let the play or goal stand if a goal was indeed awarded. If there is clear daylight then give it. Fans used to understand that it is too close to call. Just my opinion.

6.) 01 Jan 2020 18:49:21
Would the best thing not be for the ref to have a pitch side monitor and if someone is watching it and thinks he may have got a decision wrong, then he can check it for himself.

7.) 02 Jan 2020 10:43:13
I agree that the technology is not good enough to be dealing with mm's. Therefore how about making the defenders line 3 or 4 times thicker than the attackers. This way we can use the current technology while making sure that is beyond reasonable doubt.

31 Jan 2019 15:05:58
Would we need our players to be shrewd where necessary?
1) Firmino could have had Mason Holgate sent off direct Red card had he chosen to just lay down in the stands as opppsed to get back in a flash raging obscenities and getting involved in a further mess which just about saved Mason getting off the pitch.
2) Joe Gomez can't wait to get back on his legs after being at the receiving end of obvious card-worthy challenges. He did a few games prior to the Burnley match as well. Why not just lay low for a few seconds more so that makes the referee think .
Getting right back up like a Superman does the team no favours if opponents like Burnley have set out predetermined to give us a physical challenge
The Chelsea teams of Mourinho thrived on these tactics. let the referee know its card worthy or worthy of a send off.
Bobby and Joe Gomez are the only ones i can remember now other than Hendo ‘soft’ reaction over Ross Barkley challenge.

1.) 31 Jan 2019 15:27:16
Honestly, I’d rather our players didn’t overreact. If you’re hurt stay down, if you’re not, get up.

I also think there’s a difference between going down when there’s contact, to win a pen or free kick, than to pretend you’re in pain to get someone sent off. If your clipped and go down, they shouldn’t have clipped you. If you’re pushed off the ball and you go down like you’ve been shot, it’s just cheating. Similarly, if you’re pushed whilst on the ball, you’re entitled to fall over.

It’s becoming an old adage, but if the refs gave decisions regardless of the reaction, this would be less of an issue.

2.) 31 Jan 2019 16:13:37
I would rather remain as seperate from mourinho methods as possible even if he has had a successful career.

3.) 31 Jan 2019 16:31:09
Shades of Red, I have often had similar thoughts myself but on reflection I would rather Liverpool players behave like professional athletes representing the finest team in the Premier League, with the richest history, in the finest traditions of Shankly, Paisley, Dalglish and now Klopp.

4.) 31 Jan 2019 17:08:07
You missed Woy off that list Wirral.

5.) 31 Jan 2019 18:10:01
You keep playing until the whistle blows. That's school boy stuff shades of red.

I for one am proud of the fair play atmosphere that klopp insists on. Also, a big cb staying down after a little clatter from a small winger, they just don't do that. Cb's are the warriors of the team (bar matip of course, so frustrating. He is huge, strong, quick and skillful. So why d I es he put in poor performances.

I don't think he was that bad yester da. Not the worst player on the pitch.

6.) 31 Jan 2019 18:11:10
Come on shades that is not the way to go on. You certainly wouldn't like it if the shoe was on the other foot and using Burnley as an example Shaun is not Neil warnock. Players get injuries either by missed time tackles or other things that's the way it is I don't want and I hope that klopp wouldn't want his players play acting to get some one sent of.

{Ed025's Note - im with you HB, i hate players trying to get opposition players booked or sent off mate..

7.) 31 Jan 2019 18:32:48
Nope, OP. I ain't buying that. I want nothing to do with play-acting, rolling around and trying to get oppo. players booked or sent off. Please, those are for teams who really can't beat you on their own merits and Mou's so called "dark arts" can stay exactly where they are. With the poor sod of a manager. We will win matches and the PL hopefully on our own merits.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely redwolf..

8.) 31 Jan 2019 20:00:38
You can dress it up as nicely as you would like, but in the end it's just play acting. You want a team of Neymars? Not for me, thanks. Play acting is for the stage and the movie cameras. Has no place on the football field.

9.) 01 Feb 2019 00:04:56
Not for me. The line can then easily be blurred and we start seeing more sinister dark out there.

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