15 Apr 2023 07:06:41
Ugarte, Mac Allister and Gvardiol
Combined cost of £175m
Completely revamps our squad and allows a return to the Gegenpresse tactics please!
Sell Matip, Phillips, Williams, Jones and Fabinho £70m return on sales
Nett spend £100m.

1.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 07:26:51
That would be very nice if it happened but won’t happen am afraid.
Gvardiol probably going to be 100 mill +
Mac Alister 70 mill +
Ugarte 50 mill +
Returns more like 50 mill.

2.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 08:38:31
OP, I could be wrong BUT I think Gvardiol will cost half if not over half of that total since he isn’t getting sold this summer and his release clause for the season after is over 90m. Like I said, I could be wrong.

3.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 08:39:47
Bellingham €130
Rabiot free
Aouar free
Ndicka free
Maybe a more forward player thrown in?

Sell/ release those that need to go. Will return some money into kitty and free up some money for wages.

Cheers.

4.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 08:40:34
I don't think Gvardiol is feasible having read from Ed002 how much he is valued at.

The messages being put out by the club and Klopp are that we don't spend well over £100m on a single player. I'm totally in support of that as well. If those sort of fees become the norm guess who's going to suffer? The working class people trying to scrape the money together for a season ticket or Sky Sports. The £75m on Van Dijk and £85m on Nunez were already crazy. You start talking about £120m on Bellingham or Gvardiol and it's just taking the biscuit in my opinion.

If Bellingham and Gvardiol want to play for Liverpool as much as they apparently do, they can run down their contracts.

MacAllister would be a great signing (for about £40-50m less than Bellingham) if we can pull it off ahead of United and City. Ugarte is going elsewhere though apparently.

5.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 09:25:23
Why would you want to spend £100m on a position where we already have an underperforming yet previously the best around in Van Dijk when with a bit more outlay we could buy the potentially best player in his position for the next decade or so? seems crazy to me.

6.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 09:26:29
I think it’s clear we need 5 players to come in of first team quality.

How much we have to spend on those players is anyone’s guess.

Interesting will be who we will also be happy to sell to balance the books of what we spend.

We could end up losing as many as 10 players this summer but if we aren’t in Europe next season then a smaller squad would be ideal.

I think europa league though you probably need a bigger squad as more managers tend to not field full strength sides due to the opposition strength.

CL you’re trying to go as full strength as possible until qualification is guaranteed.

7.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 09:57:58
We can’t afford that, and that still won’t be enough so that bodes well.

8.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 09:59:10
For me

McAllister.
Barella.
Ndikia.
Rabiot.
Lindstrom.

9.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 10:14:37
Wouldn't Bellingham be a loan as we/ he could move on in 4 or 5 years and recoup similiar fee like Haaland will probably do. I think players staying at one club for life is a dying trend and if we are not winning trophies his head may be turned. So great chance to recoup most of his fee, just wages to worry about, think of it as leasing him ?.

10.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 11:08:02
Liverpool not spending £130 million on Jude or £100 million Gvardiol isn’t going to stop other clubs buying them tho so it will have absolutely no effect on future transfer prices, it is what it is. The only thing Liverpool can do is chose not to get involved but that might be to the club’s detriment, who knows?‍♂️

I do agree on Bellingham. I hope he stays another season. I mean Dortmund can’t force him out the door and they can’t force him to sign another contract. Plenty of players DO run their contract down ?.

11.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 11:09:34
Jones Red, I'd love McAllister, Barella or Milinkovic-savic as cheaper Bellingham alternatives. Barella might not want to leave Italy though. I'm sure Lallana could put in a good word to MacAllister. As could Lucas Leiva to Mili!

12.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 11:25:00
I would add that if we signed Gvardiol vvd would need selling so we would recoup some money there.

13.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 11:31:15
We have messed up massively. It’s going to take 3 years of getting clever transfers bang on correct to be back challenging for the big honours.
I don’t think a lot of fans realise the damage not signing those midfielders did. We are years behind now, playing catch up with no money and no Value in the squad to sell off.

14.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 11:35:45
Neuhaus anyone? Thoughts?

15.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 11:56:45
McGoveb I think you’re spot on there. Whoever buys him could likely sell him in years time at a similar price or at a profit.

If we stop challenging/ achieving for titles or worst case even top 4 then sponsorship and prize money will also decrease.

16.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 11:57:31
McGoveb I think you’re spot on there. Whoever buys him could likely sell him in years time at a similar price or at a profit.

If we stop challenging/ achieving for titles or worst case even top 4 then sponsorship and prize money will also decrease.

17.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 12:04:22
LFC8, i think it has done serious damage mostly because it's allowed Newcastle and United a fast track back into the top 4. With their financial power, reeling them back in is not going to be easy.

Thankfully Spurs and Chelsea are a mess. No permanent managers, meddling owner/ chairman etc.

Brighton, Fulham, Villa and Brentford will most likely fade away back to mid table once their better players start being poached and teams start giving them more respect. You get this every season. Southampton, West Ham, Leicester, Burnley and Wolves have all been in Europe in recent years and are now either relegated or fighting it.

I agree it's been damaging (we've basically written off a season), however i do disagree on how long it will take us to recover. We still have some world class players. Alisson and Salah are undeniable. Robbo, Virgil, Trent and Thiago have all been at that level in the past so hopefully even just 1 or 2 of them can get back to that. We've got some great players who could maybe reach the level below world class if they stay fit (Konate, Nunez, Diaz, Gakpo, Bajcetic, Elliott) . Can't see any of them ever being truly world class and aside from Gakpo they've all had major injuries in their very early careers, but still all reasons for optimism.

I think a 2 or 3 industrious midfielders and 1 centre back who will stay fit to keep Virgil on his toes will transform our team over the summer. We've not slipped 3 years behind in 1 year. It's going to be hard to recover, but I don't think it'll take 3 years. When Klopp took over we were in a far worse state and he had us back in 4th after 1 summer transfer window.

18.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 12:04:57
LiverpoolFC8 - ? but this was obvious years ago it was heading this way. Not strengthening from a point when we were on top! Hardly anyone would have it that we need signings now here we are….

19.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 12:44:56
Would anyone have advocated MacAllister before he returned from Qatar with a winners medal and his spate of recent penalties. Im sorry i just don't see it. He's hardworking but that should be the starting point for any player.

20.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 13:10:55
There is no barrier for not being able to bring 5/ 6 players in the summer, other than the club itself electing not to.

Our best business was done by buying/ upgrading players within the set tactics. The tactics are all over the place at the moment.

Even last weekend we were experimenting with Trent in a box midfield and back 3.

Before we spend, we better have a very clear idea of our tactics and the players need to buy into it.

21.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 13:13:17
We obviously have to look for quality over quantity but for I would be looking at the following

N'dicka - Free
Timber - 40m
Sucic - 20m
Kamada - Free
Milinkovic-Savic - 50m
Rabiot - Free
Aouar - Free

Obviously, probably none of these will happen but would be a good window.

22.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 13:18:37
MacAllister has been well thought of for at least 2 seasons. When the rumours were doing the rounds about Bissouma myself and several others said the likes of Caicedo, MacAllister and Mwepu were better players. Brighton's only problem was always a lack of goals. They've been playing beautiful football for several years and MacAllister was a huge part in that.

You gave yourself away yesterday Jude, when you compared MacAllister to Harvey Elliott. You might as well have written "I've never seen him play". Sorry mate but for me you lost all credibility in this debate when you compared a tough tackling box to box midfielder with a dainty flair player.

23.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 13:19:52
Jude. If you look at our midfield that won the PL and CL, then hard working was all they were really. I mean Hendo, Millie, Gini and Fabinho etc don’t score or assist too much, never did but industry was their game. Again it depends on what way we intend to play going forward will determine the type of player we should be after . I still live in hope that we ditch this nonsense football we are TRYING to play at the minute.

24.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 13:39:42
I hope you’re right MK. And I agree Bean, million percent.
What we’ll see is a small gradual improvement and hopefully gain momentum to be challenging again in 2/ 3 years.
This summer we will add a couple midfielders and we will then challenge for 4th next season, that will be seen as an improvement on this campaign (even though we could’ve done it in January and easily got 4th)
The following summer fixing the defence which will need doing.
And by the third season, Nunez Gakpo Bajcetic, and the other young players we have / sign, will be improved and ready to go for the Big Trophies.
Gradual slow progress, but the transfers have to be Bang on.

25.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 14:10:27
Spot on Irish. Maybe people are forgetting that Henderson and Gini were just hard working players from teams who were fighting relegation when we signed them. Milner and Lallana were also hard workers above everything else in their game. Klopp said in his lastest interview that we need to agree on a way of playing to be successful. So i'm hoping that might be a small hint of going back to the tactics that brought us success. It's the first glimmer of hope we might switch back, that we've had ??

LFC8 you are right about the transfers needing to be spot on to be fair. We don't have the money for more expensive flops in midfield like Keita or Ox. That was £100m down the drain if we're brutally honest. Which is why I'd steer clear of Caicedo and Mount. Both have shown in recent months that money is their main driver and we don't need players like that. I'd much rather players with a good attitude.

26.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 14:21:36
Mac Allister better than Caicedo? Behave.

They are both very very good players, but Caicedo's ceiling is way higher.

Buy them both. Else choose Moises.

27.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 15:11:50
MK scouser think you fall into the trap of thinking because Elliott is young and skillful that he's also not hardworking. Never seems to stop running the kid. Problem is that because the teams all over the kip and he's still learning the game a lot of that running looks pointless. Trust me with the way we are this year MacAllister would look just as headless. I'd challenge you to tell me one thing MacAllister does that Elliott cant. We should continue to give Harvey who has a higher ceiling more experience and buy players who really improve our 1st eleven instead of settling for MacAllister.

28.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 15:13:08
But Lallana was a dainty flair player, surely he didn't run aswell?.

29.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 15:46:28
Lallana was not dainty. He was really aggressive in the tackle and significantly stronger on the ball.

MacAllister plays in a 2 man double pivot for Brighton. Can you see Elliott coping in that role at any decent level? I never said he wasn't hard working or didn't run but he is absolutely not a tough tackler or a box to box all rounder, unlike MacAllister. MacAllister is far superior at tracking runners from midfield and winning back possession. He is also stronger on the ball often riding tackles to beat the press. Elliott dangles a foot in half the time and when he does go in hard it takes him 2 minutes to get up. He isn't switched on defensively and he's easily bumped off the ball.

Elliott's a good young player. I think he'll make a fine inverted right midfielder or maybe even number 10 one day. Similar to Juan Mata maybe. MacAllister is just nothing like him though. If i was pressed to compare him to someone, he's more like Gundogan in my opinion. A goalscoring midfielder who can play 6, 8 or 10. Not exceptional at anything but good at everything and covers loads of ground doing unseen dirty work.

Sorry if i came across as harsh but I cannot see a single similarity between Elliott and MacAllister. They aren't similar physically, tactically, positionally or technically. They both have a Blond-ish beard I guess.

30.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 15:49:04
FPF, i'd say he's similar level to Caicedo. Caicedo is younger so yeah maybe a higher ceiling on paper. But MacAllister has more to his game in terms of versatility and also doesn't disrespect his club on social media.

I'll take a better attitude over better athleticism, every day and twice on a Saturday where we kick off at 12:30!

31.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 16:10:58
Your making MacAllister sound like Souness or Tommy Smith there MK. As i said for me he's a further down the line Elliott in that he's more experienced and is more developed physically. Look, we could argue about this allday it doesn't matter its all opinions. I just think when we already have Elliott the 70-80m could be better spent.

32.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 16:28:27
I definitely didn't. I specifically said Gundogan ? i'd maybe say Barella as well. Fair enough though. Let's agree to disagree.

33.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 17:45:04
I’ll be honest I’ve seen more of McAllister in club football than I have Bellingham. That’s because he’s played against us a few times in the league and cup this season and also Match of the day.

The amount of football some people watch they could be picking up a too scouts wage.

34.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 17:56:35
I’d buy Brighton’s midfield. Might cost £150m but would likely get 2 rather than 1 in Bellingham.

35.) 15 Apr 2023
15 Apr 2023 21:09:25
I think that you're getting your wires crossed Adam with some other player because when was Harvey ever a"Flair"player?.

36.) 16 Apr 2023
16 Apr 2023 13:07:44
I’d just go all out on Jude the more I think about it . And a right back
Trent looks to be getting pushed into the midfield so Jude and a right back

Maybe a free like rabiot aswell
Still roughly the 200mill spend (which is what’s being touted as what we have ) probably similar wages to what we pay now as a club but we have a generational talent on the books and probably the best passer in English football aswell . With the likes of bajetic and clarkson coming through go pad the squad out . And go back to klopps all out heavy metal football rather this absolute garbage pattern play it’s so telegraph if I can see what we are doing before we do it these opposition players/ managers must be made up . Let’s bite the bullet and take a risk for a change.