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07 Jun 2017 20:34:11
I wasn't even sold on vvd, now I'm gutted we have done what we have. All these reports of we have agreed terms but not a fee. Question though, Could legal action still be taken?


{Ed025's Note - possible but unlikely i would say fencey..

1.) 07 Jun 2017 21:31:02
If the EPL have accepted Liverpool's apology then that will be it.

Southampton not going to bother with us now when they have won the battle hands down. Doubt they will allow us to sign players from them again i. e. Fulham/ Dempsey.

Other clubs will be looking at this situation with eyes wide open.

At this point I am expecting a disappointing summer. Clubs not going to bother with our haggling anymore. We have shown our true colours now.

{Ed025's Note - come on max you know better than that mate..

2.) 07 Jun 2017 21:43:28
The fact we've apologised, I think has stopped the PL from taking it further!

3.) 07 Jun 2017 23:36:28
Eds, and please don't shoot me down as i am not making excuses, i just don't understand the severity of all this tapping stuff.

Listening to Steve Nicol today, and i am not saying he is right, and yes the rules are different now. but he was almost suggesting its all a big fuss over nothing and that if agents were not around clubs would and actually do this all the time.

{Ed002's Note - It is a very serious matter. Would you not consider it an issue if Liverpool were banned from signing first team players for a year or two? They are already dealing with one transfer ban, a damaged reputation and clubs who don't want to do business with them - not an issue at all?}

4.) 08 Jun 2017 02:13:28
Ed, why does tapping up law in football exist, when in normal life and normal business, it goes on legally? Just asking, although I think we've been idiots yet again and heads need to roll, as it is law in football.

{Ed001's Note - it is not legal in normal business.}

5.) 08 Jun 2017 06:00:39
Exactly Ed001. I work for a publishing house and under contract am not allowed to speak to another publishing house without permission. If it was done in secret my company would be well miffed with both me and the competitor.

{Ed001's Note - I know a number of people who have been 'tapped up' by other companies with various consequences. It is the same in all walks of life, if you are high enough up the food chain to matter to the company who employs you.}

6.) 08 Jun 2017 13:14:50
Is it down to whether an employee is on a set contract or not, as my wife in the past has been head hunted before a few times, when agents for the new company have contacted her, had the interview and either offered the job or not, without her present (att) company knowing anything about it happening! Do all these head hunters break the law then? Sorry Eds, I know you're all skied under this morning, which I fully appreciate, just wanted to know! I also appreciate it's law in football and if broken, you should take the penalty!

{Ed001's Note - it really depends on the job, as I said it usually comes down to how far up the food chain you are but a head hunter is, in essence, the same as an agent. Clubs/companies can speak to the agent/headhunter, but not the player/employee direct.}

7.) 08 Jun 2017 03:26:50
If English clubs do it all the time, why would only Liverpool get punished though. Other clubs (City was mentioned) did the same things as Liverpool as far as the Stoke youngster goes too. Are Liverpool the only club dumb enough to get caught? I don't get why they're the only ones getting called out on it when it's happening at every club.

{Ed002's Note - English clubs don't "do it all of the time" and Manchester City has also been sanctioned for making an illegal approach to youngsters. Liverpool's behaviour has been terrible for years - far worse than any other club. The embarrassing attempts by some of the fans to deflect this is indeed laughable. In terms of youngsters, what Liverpool did to the kid from from Stoke is certainly the worst ever behaviour I have ever encountered and it should go to court and it should be out in the public domain quite how foul the club is and the damage they have done.}

8.) 09 Jun 2017 13:24:54
These clauses in employment contracts are notoriously difficult to enforce as it can be ruled as being a restriction of trade. I know that I've experienced issues trying to enforce one when an employee has left to go to a competitor. Has a club / player ever tried to challenge it on these grounds?



16 Apr 2017 14:29:50
Hi eds, you said we have looked at Keita from Rbl, do you think he will be keen to leave


{Ed002's Note - I understand from an Arsenal scout that the club will look to make an offer to RBL for Naby Keita in the summer. He has been looked at by Arsenal on several occasions these past two seasons with interest also being shown by PSG and Dortmund with the prior interest of Bayern Munich waning although not ruled out. There has been no interest shown by Liverpool at all according to RBL but I am aware that rumours persist.

He will want to see what his options are before deciding.}

1.) 16 Apr 2017 15:49:22
Thanks ed, seems unlikely with the names mentioned and the fact Rbl have champions league, he may want to stay.



16 Jul 2016 12:27:04
Reports saying Klopp is willing to wait for next season to sign chilwell. Guess we'll have to pay a tribunal fee anyway, I would rather we pay the extra and have him for this season too.


{Ed002's Note - It would open up the interest of another EPL side in him again.}

1.) 16 Jul 2016 13:31:05
Ed, I think that other epl side may be arsenal. Feel free to correct mw if i'm wrong.

{Ed002's Note - There is no secret about their interest which was dropped when Liverpool were expected to sign him.}

2.) 18 Jul 2016 13:06:28
Sorry to ask is answered but can't find it - is the wait til next season because of injury or money or both?

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool don't want to pay the money.}



30 May 2016 23:32:37
Rumours that Sturridge is going to be left out of the England squad. While I'll be gutted for him, from a liverpool point of view it won't be the worst thing. I think he needs to stay active to keep his muscles working but a few weeks off; whilst not injured, will do him good.


1.) 31 May 2016 03:34:01
How could he have progressed when his LFC career has been blighted by injuries? Your post is quite harsh on the boy.

2.) 31 May 2016 08:02:26
Did I say he hasn't progressed?

3.) 31 May 2016 08:04:17
Which post? What was harsh?

4.) 31 May 2016 08:33:50
I think redohio was replying to the post above about yesil.

5.) 31 May 2016 13:53:53
His progression harsh or otherwise is not to be singled out via these kind of comments.



30 May 2016 23:32:37
Rumours that Sturridge is going to be left out of the England squad. While I'll be gutted for him, from a liverpool point of view it won't be the worst thing. I think he needs to stay active to keep his muscles working but a few weeks off; whilst not injured, will do him good.


1.) 31 May 2016 03:35:15
Not too bothered really. We'll have him locked and loaded for the new season.




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08 Aug 2017 09:14:59
Hi Reds, this is not really Liverpool related, but just interested in opinions.
As Messi and Ronaldo are coming to the end, or pushing the latter end of the career anyway, who do you see as the next ballon D'Or winners?
Suarez is the next best for me, but he's the same age.
If Bale can stay fit maybe him, but in 2/ 3 years time he might be declining too, I don't see Neymar getting it at PSG to be honest.

So, who will win the next Ballon D'Or that is not Ronaldo or Messi?


{Ed001's Note - Mbappe.}

1.) 08 Aug 2017 09:34:39

2.) 08 Aug 2017 09:40:32
Great question, I always thought Bale would fill Ronaldos shoes once he stepped aside but injuries are really stalling his career, Neymar would have been my next call but going to France won't help unless PSG win the champs league (certainly a possibilty) .
I would say that a Barcelona or Real player has the best chance as they are the biggest clubs in the world and will be at the business end of the champs league. Maybe it will be someone who hasn't signed for them, Madrid maybe Mbappe and Barcelona maybe Dybala?

3.) 08 Aug 2017 10:23:40
Obviously it would depend on how their respective teams do but I think Alli, Kane, Mbappe, Dembele, Dybala are all ones to watch for the future but I would say Neymar is next. I don't think Alli or Kane will win it whilst at Spurs but if they got a move they could well be in with a shout.

4.) 08 Aug 2017 10:48:18
Marco Asensio.

5.) 08 Aug 2017 11:03:06
I also wonder who is the next 25 goal a season player consistently like the mentioned two have done!

6.) 08 Aug 2017 11:33:43
Oxlade Chamberlain for sure. Why else do u think Klopp wants him?

7.) 08 Aug 2017 11:37:49

8.) 08 Aug 2017 11:46:57
Carrasco, Kante, Alli, Coutinho, Neymar and possibly De Bruyne. To be honest though, Messi and Ronaldo are nowhere near finished yet.

Mbappe maybe in 4 or 5 years if he keeps his focus. He's only 18 and things can change rapidly at that stage of your career.



07 Aug 2017 23:06:13
I'm not one for random names and it's not really realistic, but I wonder what it would take to get delli alli? One of few players I can think of to replace couts, and we could have 120 million.


1.) 07 Aug 2017 23:22:12
Spurs won't sell and they certainly would ask for more for Alli than £120m, plus if there was any sniff they were selling United, City or Chelsea would just blow us out the water.

2.) 07 Aug 2017 23:23:05
Spurs won't sell him.

3.) 07 Aug 2017 23:34:57
I just had a weird feeling allis head might turn, plus levy is not one to shy away from the big deals.

4.) 07 Aug 2017 23:52:15
That money can be use on bale for them 😉.

5.) 08 Aug 2017 00:13:27
Im not sold on Alli. Sometimes he looks an absolute world beater, and other times he looks like he has no right to be a professional footballer. He does fundamentally score/ assist well. Bit like Ozil though, I don't think stats show the true picture.

6.) 08 Aug 2017 00:22:57
He's nothing like ozil, he works hard - he problem is his temperament. As long as he's not going out to hurt anyone, I'd rather he show a bit of fire than disappear like ozil.

7.) 08 Aug 2017 03:55:09
Alli is a decent player but he is no playmaker.

8.) 08 Aug 2017 07:08:14
I didn't mean that he was a similar player to ozil. Just that stats show the 2 of them to be better players than they actually are.

{Ed001's Note - I think people must have different ideas of what a good player is. Oezil is excellent and works a lot harder than he is ever given credit for. Alli is excellent and a real genuine talent.}

9.) 08 Aug 2017 16:20:38
In terms of play, influence on game and indeed temperament, Alli is very similar to Gerrard at a similar age, IMO. He does play a bit further up the field, but he can also take a game by the scruff of the neck, and is a bit overly aggressive at times as Stevie was prone to, especially early on in his career.

I still rue the fact we couldn't do a deal for him.



06 Aug 2017 23:45:24
My opinion is that the media know Barcelona want coutinho and they normally get their man - they are just putting two and two together and hoping to come out looking like they know - they may be right, but it's just guess work.


1.) 07 Aug 2017 01:10:00
Think Coutinho's gone now mate. Klopp maybe agreed to let him move on once he realised Barcelona were willing to put up good money to make the move happen. What's the point of keeping a player who will eventually move on next season after you have built your team around him? Another rebuilding job?
Better to take 100 million now and sign a CB and a Coutinho replacement who will be at LFC for the long run. My choices would be Manolas and Kovacic but Klopp sees VVD/ nobody and Meyer as adequate replacements.

2.) 07 Aug 2017 04:17:40
Or you could keep Countinho for a year, let the new players bed in and then sell him. That way you have 12 months to find a replacement whilst reducing the impact on the team of him leaving. If he is professional enough to give you 100% for the next 12 months then what do you lose?



06 Aug 2017 20:28:00
Unless we can strengthen at the back, a right back seems unlikely - I like taa anyway - but in the centre, I don't don't think we should buy, unless we can get a top drawer player. We don't need depth anywhere particularly, maybe a left winger at a push. No point adding more squad players and taking the chances away from Gruijic Woodburn Kent etc unless they are different gravy. Gruijic was bought to be a future first teamer, so has to be given chances - another gini for example will just hurt them chances.


1.) 06 Aug 2017 21:09:49
I think the only position that needs addressing is centre back. Any other thing is a bonus.

2.) 06 Aug 2017 23:33:02
Klopp said he is happy with the centre backs. is he on something with lovren and klavan.



05 Aug 2017 10:51:30
Quick note on that pic of vvd in a Liverpool shirt, not saying it was real, but doesn't he wear 'Virgil' on the back anyway?


{Ed025's Note - your thinking of thunderbirds..

1.) 05 Aug 2017 10:54:50
The shirt says Van Dijk doesn't it?

{Ed002's Note - There was no van Dijk in Thunderbirds Ted. Alan Shepard, Virgil "Gus" Grissom, Gordon Cooper, John Glenn and Scott Carpenter gave their names to our heroes. If there were to more sons they would of course have been called Walley and Deke (after Wally Schirra and Deke Slayton).}

2.) 05 Aug 2017 11:32:44
FAB, Ed02.




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07 Aug 2017 21:41:13
It's to force a move, if anyone else offers the money I'm sure saints would rather deal with them.




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07 Aug 2017 09:58:48
since July.




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06 Aug 2017 20:11:14
If it was CL semi and Salah was out, in sure couts would start on the left anyway - we have enough depth in the middle with can hendo gini and lallana by then.




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04 Aug 2017 11:49:43
Are Chelsea interested again ed? I think you said they were, then withdrew interest when saints said he is not for sale?
Or has Rudiger changed that?


{Ed002's Note - It is nothing to do with Rudiger. If van Dijk is to be sold Chelsea will be interested - as will others potentially.}



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03 Aug 2017 21:32:44
I'm sure he can't command it worse than the other two. Honestly id have Karius and ward compete as number one, mignolet has had time, give it to the one who proves themselves out of the two young lads!





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08 Aug 2017 11:03:06
I also wonder who is the next 25 goal a season player consistently like the mentioned two have done!




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08 Aug 2017 09:08:01
Because he's probably 30, overweight, and is moody.




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08 Aug 2017 00:22:57
He's nothing like ozil, he works hard - he problem is his temperament. As long as he's not going out to hurt anyone, I'd rather he show a bit of fire than disappear like ozil.




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08 Aug 2017 00:21:52
Rather mertens.




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07 Aug 2017 23:34:57
I just had a weird feeling allis head might turn, plus levy is not one to shy away from the big deals.