13 Dec 2022 14:00:50
Not LFC related, but can i just say what a clown the english national manager is? Now he is "considering his future" and the BBC is running "your messages to gareth" the guy has failed in every tournament, has no clue how to use his best players and the national team is one of the richest in world football yet he gets beat by a half decent french team and because it was "only 2-1" people are saying he was a success?

If this is success then you will be waiting another 50 years for the next wc.

1.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 15:02:38
Kloppofthedeen, fine margins. Kane scores the penalty and there's a good chance we go on and win that game. Like I've said in previous posts, there is no suitable English candidate to replace him, so if he wishes to remain in post we may as well keep him.

Either way, like I've previously said, I'm not losing sleep. When it comes to football it starts and ends with Liverpool FC.

2.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 15:30:30
Why do they need to be English though? Sven Goran Erikkson wasn’t nor was Capello? Why English only now?

3.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 15:47:20
If we are as good as what we think we are we wouldn’t have been outplayed by the U. S and relying on refereeing decisions / penalties to beat the French. Fact is Southgate has done better than most recent managers by trying to be solid at the back and getting the odd goal here and there, something the Italians have done well at international level for decades. Problem with that is any defence with Stones and McGuire as a CB pairing is going to be less than the level required to win international tournaments. The culture of the English game is not suited to LFC/ City/ Spanish styles of play so we don’t have the players to do that. I don’t rate him as a manager one bit, but I am not going to get on the bandwagon for him to go when I have no idea who would come in and do better.

4.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 15:55:39
Coz no foreign manager has won fifa mens world cup ever neither has worked for England appointing foreign managers infact they hardly could pass round of 16 which forced FA to look for english managers.

As Hansi flick has shown one of the best managers in club football couldn't get Germany out of Group stages so its a complex situation when it comes to international football. Coz the options are very limited and most of the managers if not all want to be in dug out week in week out neither it has anything to do with club football coz it's completely different Ball game hence I gave Hansi flick example tho.

5.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 15:59:45
Lots of moaning about Southgate, he's been the most successful England manager in terms of actual tournament football since Alf Ramsey.

We all lived through the Erikson/ Capello years, anyone who wants to go back there obviously wasn't watching our tournament performances. Even though the Robson years delivered the highlight of Italia 90 - we were actually awful under him at the '88 Euros. Who else have we had - Taylor, McLaren, Hodgson, Keegan, Hoddle - all with minimal progress at tournaments. Venables did a decent job but walked away for non-football reasons after one tournament that we didn't have to qualify for

Do I want Southgate to replace Jurgen - No, do I think he's been a good England manager - actually, yes.

I don't watch international football anymore but for those who do - be careful what you wish for is my message.

{Ed014's Note - I do love the careful what you wish for stuff, Southgate really is a poor manager and aside from being English he did nothing in his managerial career to warrant the job.

Did you ever see a Southgate side play good football, answer is never.

He’s wasting a group of talented players and his record for England is simply beating weak teams and losing to half decent teams.

Getting beat by Italy in a final was an abject failure, being given the run around by the USA a true yardstick of his abilities.

You see games like England vs France in English cup games all the time where a decent lower league side put up a fight but still get beat.

Subbing his best and most dangerous player against France another huge indicator of what an utter twonk he is.

Now don’t start me off! ??

6.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 16:33:12
Ed14 mate once you compare club football to international football you completely loose the debate.

Hansi flick won every club trophy with Bayern Munich and after few months couldn't get out of Group stage with same players ?.

{Ed014's Note - sorry mate but what a load of bollocks, you can get a team to play decent football or you can’t, my point, and that dick can’t get any team to play decent football because he’s a bang average manager.

Hansi Flick at least had a CV to warrant getting the job.

7.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 16:57:40
Ed14 is spot on. Southgate may have this stat that he's been the best manager but his tenure is still a failure. He lost against Italy in a final when we could of quite easily won the match if the team had any sort of fight in them. What does he do, sub a bunch of kids on to go take penalties at the last minute which backfired. Then the other day against France, the team is getting shafted by the ref, but showed no fight whatsoever 2-1 down. If we get beat we get beat, but i want us to go down fighting. His teams have shown none of that. No ideas apart from pass sideways and back to Pickford and we got beat by a French team that aren't really that good. He should take a leaf out the Brazil managers book and do what any manager would do after failure, and that is quit. Give someone else a go.

8.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 16:59:31
Oraujo, because I believe he should be English. A view shared by many, including Carragher. Unless I'm mistaken, Italy, Germany and France have always had one from their own country, so should we. I disagree with Ed14 on his opinion of Southgate. I wouldn't want him near Liverpool, but he's done a decent job managing England.

9.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 17:02:07
When Liverpool lose or draw we get the “we have no divine rate to win football matches”, do England have a divine right to win these matches coz it sounds like some of you think so. Beaten by current World champions and one of the current best teams in the world and rather unlucky to lose.

10.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 17:09:20
I'm not disagreeing with you Ed0014 but his record at getting to the later stages of tournaments is basically the best we've had for 50 years. It's not to be sneezed at. We've had supposedly bigger and better names who've been much much worse than Southgate. I think he deserves some credit.

{Ed014's Note - but each loss is basically a failure mate and that shouldn’t be something we use as a yardstick.

Second is the first loser and we really should be doing better and certainly playing a better style of football.

6 years he’s been in the job, that’s a long time of under achieving mate.

11.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 17:09:37
But with that CV failed even to get out of Group stage? ??.

{Ed014's Note - he did mate but that has nothing to do with getting a team to play good football, be organised like Japan, the US and Morocco are.

We’re just the same old Southgate 5h1te mate.

12.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 18:36:26
Rome personally I have no interest whatsoever I’m Scottish and therefore not an advocate of international football haha! Just stating that the FA don't solely appoint Englishmen and so have a bigger pool to choose from but still employ Southgate!

13.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 18:26:53
Ed14 = legend someone finally not beating around the bush!

{Ed014's Note - he’s pants mate, much like that idiot Martinez who was in charge of Belgium.

14.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 18:30:23
Come on Ed014, next you'll be telling us that the current England squad is another 'golden generation' when that's far from the case.

The simple fact is that this current group of English players aren't good enough really to be winning tournaments. In many ways it's a much worse group than the Gerrard/ Lampard era squads, it just has a better atmosphere around the squad which is helpful.

{Ed014's Note - come on what, the guys a shit manager, never did I say they were a golden generation either. Bellingham, Saka, Foden, James, Rice, Gallagher, Phillips, Trent and Mount are about it with the first 5 the best of them.

Southgate is just a crap manager failing to get the most out of a half decent squad as he failed at club level.

Literally no idea why anyone defends the div!

15.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 19:57:19
Ed014 I’m not taking that bait saying Trent ain't the best of them, no way, not today ?.

{Ed014's Note - haha my bad mate, he is quality. An example of a player wasted by Southgate.

16.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 20:52:20
Bang on there Ed 14
He got Middlesboro relegated then got the U21's job. Then I presume he agreed with everything asked at the interview, not that he should've had an Interview. Job's your's just make sure we sell millin's of shirts. Keep qualifying and your Jobs safe.

Lets not forget qualifying is easier than ever and only going to get even easier, with the expansion plans of tournaments.

{Ed014's Note - totally agree mate, just a poor manager who lucked in, much like OGS at United.

17.) 13 Dec 2022
13 Dec 2022 21:31:24
He's liked by the suits at the FA as they no longer have to come out and apologise for scandal after scandal anymore.

Dull manager. Dull football.

18.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 00:36:54
I remember the English team to be full of superstars from big clubs like Utd, Chelsea, and Stevie G etc. I have a memory of tournament football being a bit of a circus with egos clashing, lack of cohesion and not to mention the WAGs sideshow.

I always thought playing for the England shirt didn't mean anything to those big players. I don't think the English identity meant anything to those players and there was no cause for unity or cohesion or discipline.

One thing Southgate has done is instilled a strong culture of discipline and pride. I'm pretty sure all players under Southgate know that they would be expelled from the national setup for any misdemeanor letalone sleeping with a fellow defender's GF or racially abusing somebody. The air of discipline has instilled some level of pride in playing for England, and it's helped that the current team doesn't have any superstars. Its most experienced players are Hendo and Kane who are model professionals.

Southgate may be a negative coach and tactically inept but he has to be given credit for bringing about a decent culture in the team. The best managers in club football try to do the same- I am sure Pep and Klopp take no prisoners when it comes to discipline and professionalism. If nothing else, the English team is at least not the laughing stock it used to be under Hodgson and earlier.

{Ed001's Note - sorry but that is nothing to do with Southgate. That is simply down to Fergie and his 'all against us' mentality being gone. The United boys would not mix with the rest during his era and it led to cliues. Now he has gone, the cliques have gone as the United boys are mingling and being friends with the others. That is not down to Southgate, who should be nowhere near an England job of any kind after the way he sold out his country to do those pizza jobs, along with that racist thug Stuart Pearce.}

19.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 05:04:37
As a non-Brit I do find the discourse around the England National team and it’s manager quite hilarious

Ya’ll talk as if the team is filled with the worlds best player at each position and should have walked the cup.

20.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 08:56:54
Southgate is the emperor’s new clothes. He has never won anything as a manager and never will. He sets the bar at the ‘don’t fail miserably” level and even when he succeeds he never comes within a country mile of actually winning anything.

My first game (watching) was the match against France and I was particularly keen to see Maguire who was being ‘bugged up’ in the press. We were just poor. Despite the huffing and puffing our two best chances to score were penalties (and the hope that we might get another one or two) . The world champions should lead the way- anyone thinking Southgate could be the leading light in football management needs to give their head a wobble.

As to Maguire ????. Every time he got the ball the game stood still whilst he pfaffed about for 3 or 4 seconds before lofting the ball to the flanks give the French defence an age to get set and attack the ball.

It says a lot about the state of the game at the national team level if - at least statistically speaking - this is the most “successful” manager we have had in fifty odd years.

21.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 03:51:06
I've always liked Ed014, and I couldn't agree more about your analysis of Gareth Southgate. It's funny how this guy is seeking attention mediocre after mediocre performances and asking for time to consider his future. Just get lost already!
England will never win anything with Gareth Southgate; the man's got no clue! He reminds me of Stuart Pearce posing to be English manager and stripping Gerrard of the captaincy and handing it over to Scott Parker. How does Harry Kane captain England ahead of Henderson? How does Maguire play all games for England ahead of half a dozen better options? Plain nepotism! England should have put Franto the sword in that game, and somehow, Southgate is some kind of national hero. Pathetic!

22.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 07:47:18
Exactly Faithinworks, not sure I understand Ed014s points really. I’ve never said that Southgate was a great manager at any point but his record at tournaments speaks volumes compared to anyone else who has done this job since 1966.

We simply don’t haVe good enough players, it matters not who is in charge, nothing the manager can do about that.

{Ed014's Note - my point is Southgate is crap and is simply winging a job way above his pay grade.

The squad is better than the some of parts he’s getting from it, is it a world class squad, my arse it is but failing to beat a very average Italian squad isn’t a success!

23.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 10:36:43
A better manager would have seen England winning the World Cup, simple as that. France have a top class attack with Giroud and Mbappe causing chaos, but the overall technical level of this England squad is above anything else in the international game at the moment. Other than Maguire and Pickford, who significantly lower the quality of the defence, England have a brilliant first XI - much better than Argentina, Brazil, Germany etc.
The problem is the manager and nothing else. He is completely clueless, and as result England rarely win when not playing well and never defeat sides of a similar quality (at this point only France have compatible ability in their squad) .

24.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 11:07:49
A better manager would have seen England winning the world cup? I'm sure if Brazil had a better manager they'd have killed everyone. This is that usual over-inflated of your team. England are ok, that's it. next world cup they will have far more experience and perhaps can lay claim to some of the best players in their position in the world. but sorry, they finished around about where they should and that's it. A better manager may or may not have achieved more, it's really arrogant to even just throw it out there when the nation hasn't won anything for decades. I think english fans should just be quiet about "this and that would have won" comments because ya haven't and ya won't have the answer until it's won.

25.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 15:18:19
Great debate here. All Im going to say is that Southgate's "achievements" are so flawed that it doesn't mean that much when you compare his with the achievements of a certain Joachim Leow during his time with Germany apart from the WC win in 2014. Not all achievements are created equal which I think is Ed014's point.

I don't know if another manager would have done better with these players BUT we do know that his methods are rubbish and he has no idea what he is doing. Him making semi finals and finals does NOT remove from these points ED014 is making either, IMO.

Southgate is a poor manager. We all know it. We all see it. What is wrong with saying it?

26.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 19:55:24
Oli - the thing for me is that comparing this english team with those german teams is like comparing Manchester United to City. That German team was the culmination of a change in strategic direction of German football that peaked in those years. The ENglish team is a collection of shiny players who play really well alongside world class players from other countries for their club teams.

It's not just a case that you can get a flash name manager in there and expect results to change. The team are average. and I think the sooner the nation figures that out, the sooner they can accept where they are in the world, what they need to do to get better and basically just get in behind the team.

27.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 20:12:09
With Klopp (or Pep) as manager and better use of the talent England has to call on and a proper game plan England could have won the World Cup. The standard of International football is really poor at the moment particularly in terms of European national sides as the domestic leagues and CL have long since become the game’s (and by inference the players) . chief motivation. If you turn it around, how many of us would want Southgate to manage Liverpool what Klopp leaves? Presumably TAA would be struggling for game time ….

28.) 14 Dec 2022
14 Dec 2022 22:42:27
WDW - but this is the thing, we wouldn't want Southgate to be our manager. That fact doesn't make his achievements any greater or lesser than what they are. The under-current for me seems to be that the English have over-inflated their value. and that all it needs is the final piece of a Kloppo-type to pop in and get them over the line. England are so far away from being a World Cup winning team and I think you have to accept that, appreciate what Southgate has done and then build upon that. Let's add it up, every season it's . :

slagging of Harry Maguire and John Stones
Hendo's finished
We'd have Harvey Elliot of Foden
Sterling is fast but rubbish
Rashford is inconsistent
Rice, Grealish and Mount all over-priced and over-rated Englishmen
Pickford has small arms
etc etc etc

90% of the team you lot wouldn't have play for Liverpool lol and in the same breathe you lot think you're a good manager away from winning the world cup. can ya hear yourselves? lol.

29.) 15 Dec 2022
15 Dec 2022 15:58:39
Faith, I fully agree with you. I actually think the England team as a whole is overrated as the results and pattern of play suggests. My argument is that Southgate is incompetent despite his achievements whereas Joachim Loew had the same achievements or thereabouts (bar him WC win) BUT nobody ever thought he was incompetent. Like I said, not all equal achievements are created equal.