04 Feb 2023 19:33:34
Really confused by some of the posts on here after the game today.
Seems to be a real focus on FSG out.
I agree some investment and revamp of the midfield will be needed this summer and last summer would have been a better time for this but I don't think anyone has been definitively told this was down to FSG? I remember with Van Dijk klopp chose to wait a year for the player he really wanted rather than take investment into his second choice, maybe this was the case this summer and in January?

It was klopp and his staff that have identified Nunez who hasn't been as effective as he should for the price, gakpo who although I think will come good I don't really understand the need for him longer term, if we needed short term impact for injuries then a prem experienced player would have been better, Arthur who I wasn't confident about even before the injuries and has ended up a complete disaster.

It is also down to klopp and the team of recruitment staff not identifying earlier in previous seasons that the likes of matip, keita, ox should have been moved on as they are in huge wages and offer nothing more than young players could and are so unreliable with injuries as well.

I love klopp, his infectious attitude, the way he understands the club, the understanding of the people and I realise he will always be more popular than FSG but surely the issues in the pitch are more down to him, his team of coaches and the recruitment which they also have a strong hand in.

Spending fortunes doesn't guarantee success but the very minimum you expect to see in your team is effort, organisation, clear strategies and at the moment I am seeing almost none if these at all. Also persisting with the same formations, plans, patterns of play etc with mo real obviously changes or attempt to change seems like madness as it hasn't worked all season, bar the game against city, Napoli at home and Bournemouth I don't really think we've played particularly well in any games even if we have got results in some.

1.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 19:48:41
You can pay £1 billion and it wouldn’t have prevented the first two goals. Any player can make a stupid decision and those decisions as defenders you are going to get punished.

Joe going for a wander down the left and then leaving a huge gap which robbo doesn’t notice and matip was to stupid to see.

Joe needlessly heading a cross back into the worst place possible.

Matip completely getting away with one after getting needlessly mugged on the ball.

Thiago sauntering back and completely missing nunes steaming into the space behind him.

Really poor individual errors.

2.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 19:54:40
I have seen many more posts against the players and Klopp today. Not too many about the owners. I agree there was cash it’s not The owners fault if £100m was spent on the forward line and they aren’t delivering. I expected more from Nunez today. Gakpo, not sure.

3.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 19:59:45
Because regardless of whether Klopp has made mistakes or not, the self-sustaining model is ironically not sustainable at all to keep you at the top. Nailing 90% of transfers isn't sustainable, even Brighton don't manage that. Whether you have a positive or negative opinion of FSG or not there certainly shouldn't be any loyalties towards them, and the bottom line is they have taken us as far as I can and where we are now it is probably best for everyone (including them) to part ways.

4.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 20:12:21
The fact FSG have put the club up for sale or are looking for a sale tells me they are also very much FSG out as well.

Not unless there’s a billionaire out there who wants to invest their money and then have zero say in what’s happening at the club then the investment option is dead in the water.

5.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 20:14:28
??? these FSG apologists are getting boring.

6.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 20:19:09
It’s because of the frustration over being 10th in the league for net spend on transfer value alone! I know other things come in to it, like wages, revenue and other spend (stadium), but that fact alone is an utter disgrace and sums up FSG as an ownership model. If your rivals are out spending you year in year out it’s going to eventually catch up. Wolves have a higher net spend over the last 10 years! Jokes!

7.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 20:21:11
When your 9th/ 10th in the premier league. And the club doesn’t attempt to fix the obvious problems in the team whilst the window is open.
That should teach you all you need to know about the direction of the Remaining games in the season.
Tools Downed. By everyone involved.

8.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 20:23:43
It’s not the owner’s fault that Salah can’t beat a man and he thinks he playing rugby when he shots. The owners didn’t buy Gakpo or Nunez. There has been enough money for the team to be doing far far better.

9.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 20:26:48
again, in my view what is needed is a strong minded director of football to set the direction for the club and get the players necessary. It doesn't have to take big obnoxious Chelsea type spending. It's having the best scouting team and setting a clear direction. That is what we do not have right now. Again, in my view. I could be completely wrong about that.

10.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 20:28:58
Spot on thom43. They will make there fortune and I suppose good luck to them, never liked them but I suppose they are what they are, businessmen whose only care or responsibilityis to themselves. As u say making 90% of transfers work ain't just guna happen all the time, if u spend less than everton, villa or wolves why expect to be better than them. there a reason the team with biggest budget usually wins the league in most countries.

11.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 20:46:58
So they didn’t break the entire wage structure for salah last season when everyone was calling for?
Our net spend isn’t huge but our wage bill is big.
Our squad is better than our league position and our performances.
Week on week we are getting no better and that’s down to manager and players.
I’m not their biggest fan by any means but there are bigger issues than buying a midfielder and again we don’t even know if that’s down to klopp being stubborn or they not spending.

12.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 20:53:34
Until Klopp has been backed in the manner similar to all top teams I refuse to turn my back on him. His tactics haven’t always been great this season. However he’s been hung out to dry by these parasites. Remember the Rodgers days under FSG, they refused to spend money with him. Difference is Klopp has shrouded the ineptitude of these owners by doing great things on their sell to buy model. They need to go.

13.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 21:11:29
Zero blame should be pointed at nunez or gakpo. They’ve joined a team that overnight has become a flop.

Injuries are a huge factor, but even then an injury ravaged season should see us sitting in 4/ 5th. The lads that are available to play are embarrassing themselves on the pitch. Don’t deserve to wear the shirt at the moment.

Drop salah, give the kid doak a run of games. He can’t do any worse.
Maybe play one up top and everyone else behind the ball, focus on not losing. Winning isn’t even within our grasp at the moment.

14.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 21:32:28
regards Nunez, there's a fire missing from him since he returned from that red card. I wonder if it's a bit of him and Gakpo trying to figure out how they fit? But those all action displays from him have gone a bit quiet lately. He used to be at thick of everything. we can't afford to have him playing with no fire cos we're getting nothing form the other wing.

15.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 21:57:55
Agreed Digger, I think the fact we can't afford to make many mistakes is the reason we end up 'monitoring' players for so long until other teams swoop in and sign them.

16.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 22:08:23
You can’t say Nunez and Gakpo are blameless, they cost £100m and should contribute something.

17.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 22:24:29
Markp08 they will contribute something and it will be expected of them once they have had a chance to settle.

I agree they should be doing better than they are. But they are not to blame for the crazy rubbish season we are having.

They are like newborns at the club. The league winning, champions league winning players around them are the main culprits in my opinion.

18.) 05 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 23:47:25
Gakpo is awful really poor no idea why we bought him he offers nothing and is average at best.

19.) 05 Feb 2023
05 Feb 2023 05:39:55
Gakpo is new to the league and is being played out of position so I don’t know why people are blaming him. Nunez on the other hand, clearly has potential but will that potential be realised? Because he couldn’t score in a brothel at the moment. As for Salah, I genuinely believe he isn’t bothered any more. At the least the other two make an effort. Hendo and Milner, as good a servant they have been to the club, they don’t have the legs anymore. Our youngsters are talented but too lightweight, as for our defence, gomez and matip, as should have been sold. Instead we sell mane who I feel wanted to stay but realised that he would always play second fiddle to salah and clearly wasn’t appreciAted enough (wasn’t he one of the lowest earners in the first 11?) . I’d rather play Nat Phillips than either of gomez or matip, he’s basic but in times like this, you need to get back to basics. Additionally if these are ljinders tactics that we are using, then he needs to go, and klopp needs to stop effing around, pull his thumb out his @rse, and sort the team out himself. If that means dropping established players than so be it but he needs to get tough with this team now.

{Ed001's Note - Mane had asked to go, he has done this at every club he has been at, what on earth makes you think he wanted to stay?}