24 Nov 2022 14:00:14
I don’t want the club to end up in the hands of clearly unsuitable owners who have absolutely no ambition for the club other than as a means to enrich themselves and pillage the club for every last penny they can squeeze, which is exactly what HBSE and Pagliuca and that type are about.

What I want is entirely academic as the only people apparently interested are Americans who will drag our club down only to make money for themselves.

As much as it would be great to have someone like a Ballmer or an Ambani interested, as they’re both insanely rich without being hedge fund/ private equity types or being problematic in the way that Middle East state ownership would be (not that any are interested anyway), they’re not interested and never have been.

Regrettably we’re most likely to end up with more vultures and given the alleged sale price, more leveraged debt for the club to pay back as these types never risk their own money, particularly when it’s into the billions and how can you honestly look at that prospect in any other way than it being bleak? If FSG stay we can’t compete as they can’t afford/ don’t want to pay to rebuild the team and if they sell, we’re being sold to more vultures who also won’t rebuild as the money is tied up in paying back loans. Either way unless anything changes we’re likely to be getting a turd sandwich as things stand.

We were very close to going into administration, painfully close. That would have been a 9 point deduction and had a catastrophic effect on the season at that time. So for my liking, we were too close to going out of business for comfort. Owners like HBSE/ Pagliuca will drag us back there.

1.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 14:27:47
Agree completely VVVV. We’ll said.

2.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 14:35:10
Did FSG buy the club by leveraging debt on it?

3.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 14:54:57
No offense mate, but constantly ramming the same OPINION down our throats, doesn't make it fact. I have no issues with you wearing your tinfoil hat about Americans and investment partnerships, but can you do it quietly in the corner so i don't have to read the same post 5 times a day? Your point has been made and anybody who doesn't agree with it by now, never will.

4.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 15:08:49
I've asked before but can someone tell me how much interest you pay on a £4 billion loan?

5.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 15:22:18
Reading that was like stepping on Lego but with words .

6.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 16:01:43
I'd rather step on Lego meself.

7.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 17:07:12
MK, there’s nothing tin foil hat about having a deep seated mistrust and dislike of the likes of HBSE or Stephen Pagliuca (who you were so effusive about for no other reason than his first names are Stephen Gerard, without considering that he works for one of the most economically destructive PE firms in the World, let alone the USA and has amassed a modest personal fortune through quite frankly appalling business methods) .

As a club we have literally been first hand victims of people like this before and it is somewhat concerning that the only people we’ve apparently attracted are more of these vultures.

Irish, at 6% it’s roughly £25m a month.

8.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 18:10:44
I'm assuming you don't have a sense of humour then or perhaps just don't recognise sarcasm? Obviously i don't want him to own the club just because his name is Stephen Gerard Pagliuca ? i honestly don't know enough about any of the interested parties to have a preference so i'll just leave it to the people in charge to make the right decisions and wait to see how it unfolds. Why stress over something we can't control to the extents you are going to?

Just chill out. I don't mind pessimism on a forum. It keeps the optimists grounded. But i don't need to read the same post over and over. You even felt the need to start your own thread when it didn't come up in another thread. At this point, who are you even arguing with?

9.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 18:18:17
I've got to agree with MK; same points every day makes tough reading. I'd sooner people drum up Mbappe rumours again!

10.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 18:40:38
How do es anyone know what potential buyers we've attracted?
Clickbait sites? Yahoo headlines?
It's not the sort of thing FSG are going to go to some obscure website and say "pssst this is what's really happening" is it?
The constant doom and gloom is funny to read though.
It gets a bit predictable when every player or potential buyer we're linked with is crap or a wrong 'un.

11.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 19:30:36
Yeah you shouldn’t believe everything you read on websites says the poster posting on a website ??‍♂️.

12.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 20:04:53
So VVVV. At £25 million a month, that equates to £300 million a year? If Liverpool don't even make anything close to that in profit a year how can new owners leverage that against the club?

I have to say it makes no sense or logic to me. ?‍♂️?‍♂️.

13.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 20:38:28
Like eating dog rubbish but without the dog.

14.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 20:44:32
Right now we have no idea who could buy us, so there is little to no point jumping to conclusions or panicking about how suitable, or not, the potential buyers are.

The powers that be will do their due diligence and we have to trust that FSG pass it on to people with the right intentions.

However, we are not talking pocket change here, there will be a handful capable of buying clubs the size of us and United, but even less actually interested. But of those that are, models similar to FSG will be right up there.

As much as we all love liverpool, there is limited growth due to the size of the club, so personally I'm expecting very little to change other then a new name above the door.

15.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 21:02:07
Nobody is getting the club w a 4bn loan.

16.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 21:47:15
I applied for a 4 billion loan, my bank said no. Apparently something to do with " stop wasting our time". Shame as I would have been an aswome owner .

17.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 22:09:05
Did you say "please"?

18.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 22:19:20
Why not consider the positive like what Klopp could do on a level playing field. We might even get a couple of midfielders that match your criteria vvvvv.

19.) 24 Nov 2022
24 Nov 2022 22:21:18
I’ll say the same thing I always say here seeing as the OP likes to repeat himself. How can you asset strip a football club. The club lives or dies by maintaining a certain level of success, don’t achieve that and your original - significant - investment is likely to go up in smoke or at the very least diminish rapidly. There is no sense in someone buying the club and bleeding it dry of cash ?‍♂️.

20.) 25 Nov 2022
25 Nov 2022 04:39:03
I’m not with bigotry and stereotypes. Last I checked FSG were largely Comprised of American fellows and as much as people want to make out that a trophy laden 3 year spell, growing the stadium, upgrading training facilities, improving loan system, consistently competing CL, growing club value and support base 10-fold are all signs that our American owners have brought the club down, ya might need to think again.

21.) 25 Nov 2022
25 Nov 2022 06:16:14
WyRed the club's value will continue to grow. Anyone buying the club now for 3bn or so will own a 8-10bn assets 5-10 years from now. Revenues will grow as we'll all pay more for our tv subscriptions, tickets, merchandise, etc. It's like real estate or the stock market: over time they will continue to increase. Football is now a lucrative global business. Our value will only increase over time.

22.) 25 Nov 2022
25 Nov 2022 06:51:09
If Liverpool were really going to be worth £8/ £10 billion in 5/ 10 years, do you really think FSG would be selling up? I dont!

23.) 25 Nov 2022
25 Nov 2022 07:08:43
I'm with Irish on this, I don't see that as realistic at all. As speculation I think it could get to 5bn over that time, but not as high as your figures red.

If i were in a position to buy a UK club I'd go for a mid-lower end of the table club. The outlay is lower, slightly lower risk but bigger returns. Just look at city as an example.

24.) 25 Nov 2022
25 Nov 2022 07:58:18
Depends how commercially they Run the club Irish mate.

Wyred mate Real and Barcelona are already worth over 5B atm I just see clubs continuing growing the only difference is how much commercially our next owners can catch those clubs as quickly as they can.

Coz I have always had a problem with FSG failing to grow us commercially where we can spend 200M like UTD without stretching our owners pockets or debts.

The next owners must find ways to catch club's like UTD Barcelona Real etc commercially if we want to compete with big boys consistently without relying on our owners or debts to fund players we need.

25.) 25 Nov 2022
25 Nov 2022 08:40:12
Over the last few seasons we have won the lot.

So for on field success to drive the valuation up it’s at one of its highest points. To continue to drive it up we would need to spend money to continue to compete with the likes of City, Potentially Newcastle, Utd and Chelsea etc.

Over the last few seasons we have improved the training facilities and stadium so that again has driven up the valuation. To increase that valuation we would need to further improve or expand by spending money.

The owners could make 10 times their original input or they could hang around for the club valuation to increase. But for that to increase they would need to spend money so their returns would still be roughly the same.

They possibly believe they’re at the peak of their return and are ready to move on.

I’ve heard Henry and FSG are extremely keen on a (can’t remember which one) NFL or NBA franchise in Vegas. I think it’s NFL.

Either way though i think they’ve been great owners especially over the Klopp years and whilst nothing is perfect my only ever downfall was they didn’t back Klopp with more money and risks as he said in his summer conference.

With what we have achieved it’s greater than any other fan of the Premier league has felt over the last 6 years but i think there would have been 1-2 more titles and CL’s in there if we had just taken that risk.

26.) 25 Nov 2022
25 Nov 2022 14:21:59
In the end, nobody knows anything about anything. Let’s just chill and see what happens.

27.) 25 Nov 2022
25 Nov 2022 19:50:43
Poss 8-10bn was a little much i'll go 5-8 within 5-10 year time frame. Who would have said FSG would make 10 times their investment in 12 years? Rhetorical.