02 Feb 2023 21:12:25
Heard Firmino has signed a new 2 year contract and has took a reduction in wages.

1.) 02 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 21:26:49
Fook me. That's where we are.

2.) 02 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 21:53:14
Awesome. That keeps us enough cover to sell Jota for £40m to fund one of the 27 midfielders we need in the summer.

Although maybe Henry will just eat the money for his breakfast or something, since that's what he does instead of buy players according to the Brain Trust here.

3.) 02 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 22:02:17
Fine by me. Easy to forget he already had 9 goals this season and I imagine he is a popular figure in the dressing room.

4.) 02 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 22:13:36
100% I would not sell Jota.

He has proven to be a prolific goalscorer last season. Something we definitely need more of in the squad. He’s also versatile and can convert multiple positions up front.

He’ll be back playing this month and I honestly think (if he stays fit) he will have a huge positive bearing on our season. You can hold me to that if you like.

5.) 02 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 22:18:51
Jota is too injury prone I like him but I’d sell him!

6.) 02 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 22:34:10
Great news is true. might be a declining player but he still has some gas left in the tank and is perfect as a backup and mentor type player to all, notably o the South American players.

7.) 02 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 22:44:27
Daily dose of reality. Jota signed a new, improved contract in the summer.

8.) 02 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 22:48:16
Got me there SR so I'll just pretend that I was replying to Jay ?.

9.) 03 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 23:29:12
Not joking about selling Jota though. I forgot about his recent deal, but that just protects the value. ;)

It's not that I don't rate the guy, it's that we've bought 3 players who play striker or left wing, the positions he plays in the space of 12 months. And Diaz and Nunez imo are better players than him.

How many forwards do we need? If we count Elliot as a forward we have 7 first team ones, plus Doak and Carvalho. That's a lot when we're struggling in midfield and should probably start thinking about a center back soon. It's value that could go elsewhere in the squad.

10.) 03 Feb 2023
02 Feb 2023 23:45:36
@SomethingRed ??. For quite a lot of people on here there seems to be no distinction between FSG and Liverpool FC let alone between Henry and FSG.

11.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 00:24:41
I don’t see how you say nunez is better than jota as nunez hasn’t really lit the world on fire since he joined. Also in his debut season for us, he scored 9 goals in the league and 4 goals in the champions league, whereas nunez has scored 5 in the league and 3 in champions league but has missed more chances than anyone in the league. Nunez still has time to score more goals this season but at the moment, I wouldn’t say he is better than jota as he’s not anything to make me think he is.

12.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 00:36:46
Great news if true! If we are thinking about Gakpo playing the false 9 (which in the limited games I’ve seen him play he seems to suit more that the left side) then there is nobody in world football I’d prefer him to learn from than Firmino.
I have this feeling that Nunez will end up on the left, Gakpo in the centre and Diaz on the right. When we’ve looked good this season is when Bobby played with Nunez running in behind from the left and Salah from the right.

13.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 04:25:36
I wouldn't mind Firmino signing a new deal on reduced wages actually. I still feel he offers something different compared to our other forwards.

14.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 07:04:51
I think we miss him massively

His style of play of dropping off and playing a bit deeper suited our style / dragging defenders out of position and breaking lines

Now we just seem to stand up against the opposition defender and wait to see what happens.

15.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 07:06:32
He still has loads to offer - probably won’t be a guaranteed starter but great of the bench or replacement when we have injuries.

16.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 10:12:33
For me it all depends on how much his wages are. If he’s on a low wage then fair enough but if he’s dropped say 10k a week then no he would have to go.

17.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 11:28:19
Lads it's not a game of football manager why do people try to bargain with players wages on here ?? let's just say it's good that he's signed an extension ??.

18.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 12:31:38
Jota comfortably out scores Nunez and Diaz from the left wing on current evidence. Can also play centrally with impact.

I’m torn on the Bobby situation.
Love him to bits but are we not just making the same mistake again by giving an injury prone 30+yr old a new contract on pretty decent wages to be 5/ 6th choice attacker. He can also only really play centrally so that limits again his mins.
Would the money be better off elsewhere?
We’d still have Salah, Nunez, Jota, Diaz, Gakpo, Carvalho, Elliot?

19.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 12:32:05
Same people clammering for new signings in transfer window are happy to have bobby sign up again. should of gone 2 years ago. injury prone to fook. well don't be surprised if milly signs a new contract also. Maybe even nabby yet. Shocking.

20.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 12:42:16
We are over stocked in the forward department when everyone is fit. That’s Diaz, Nunez, Firmino, Jota, Gakpo, Salah then Carvalho, Elliott and Doak. That’s 9 forwards for 3 places. If Bobby is getting a new contract I see 1 if not 2 forwards getting sold. It’s safe to say Diaz, Nunez Gakpo, Carvalho, Elliott and Doak are not getting sold. That leaves Jota and Salah as potential outs. Gakpo is not versatile or fast enough to play as an outside forward, which can also be applied to Jota and Firmino. That’s 3 forwards, actual 4 forwards when you include Nunez fighting for 1 position as the centre forward, although Nunez can comfortably rotate with Diaz on the left. Also Carvalho was used in the number 10 role just behind the forwards and also in false 9 role a lot at his time at Fulham, so that could be 5 forwards fighting for 1 position.

21.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 13:14:19
Overstocked have you seen other squads mate there is very little difference. I certainly do not understand anyone thinking Liverpool are overstocked in any position. Have you seen our injury record we need 3 players for every single position.

22.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 13:58:51
NicolBecker. If Gakpo, Firmino, Jota, Nunez and Carvalho are happy to essentially fight for one spot, then I’m happy as we would have competition in the forward positions. Problem is Gakpo is 23 years old and was a starter at his previous club and also a starter for his country. I don’t think he would be happy having his game time significantly reduced, seeing as he would be ineffective playing as an inside forward. Firmino is a different case and causes us no issues off the field so he would be happy rotating and having his game time reduced. But he is similar to Gakpo in that he can only play through the middle in a false 9 role.

Jota needs a run of games to get going and like Gakpo and Firmino is ineffective player as an inside left forward and is definitely not starting over Diaz and Nunez on that side. Nunez is a starter and so is Diaz. That means Nunez would be playing the majority of games through the middle with Diaz on the left. Where does that leave Carvalho? Especially if we bring in 2 midfielders with one being Bellingham. Bellingham would occupy that advanced midfield role and is young himself and ain’t coming to sit on the bench. We also need to figure out what to do with Elliott in terms of his best position. Good thing with him is that he can also rotate with Salah on the right but his other position would be the advance midfield role, granted we have a solid defensive midfield, which would then see 3 players fighting for that spot in Bellingham, Carvalho and now Elliot. I agree with you that having competition is good like our competitors but having several forwards who are not versatile enough to play across the front 3 forward positions is not and may cause us issues with several unhappy players.

23.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 17:10:26
Good news. He offers something nobody else in our forward line really offers.
No idea why everyone is so desperate to cling onto Jota though, he’s not a great fit in the team, and he’s fell right down the pecking order on the left (Nunez, Gakpo and Diaz are ahead of him)
And through the middle (Nunez and Gakpo)
You could argue Jota is better than Firmino through the middle (I wouldn’t say he was overall but there you go) but the key factor is he can be sold for half decent money because he would do well elsewhere, Firmino won’t go for good money anywhere at this stage in his career.
So it makes sense to sell Jota and use the money to strengthen other areas.
We’ve got a really strong forward line on paper and have some promising youngsters emerging as well so Jota is surplus for me.

24.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 17:42:11
“and he’s fell right down the pecking order on the left (Nunez, Gakpo and Diaz are ahead of him) ”

How have you came to that conclusion?

It wasn’t that long ago our front 3 back up options were Origi, Shaquiri or Minamino. Klopp is on record saying recently he needs to build 2 teams.
6 forwards plus youngsters is required.

25.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 18:23:56
Most of our players get injured even the ones that rarely get injured before joining. That to me is the most suspicious thing.

{Ed014's Note - have you employed the Arsenal physio

26.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 19:31:00
Salah is going trust me and funds will be used to purchase another lame horse.
All this may change if the yanks finally decide to sell.

27.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 21:25:12
I’d have Firmino over any of our strikers now. They are all terrible. So yeah, sign on Bobby. Great player. He might be declining but he’s been decent this season and better than Salah or Nunez.

28.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 21:37:27
Why are people always so keen on getting rid of players who don’t make the starting 11. It’s a squad game these days. And why can’t people accept that there is a drop off between being a regular starter and, for example our third choice option to play on the right side of midfield? We can’t expect (or afford) all squad players to be the best in the world. It doesn’t work like that.

29.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 23:03:31
Pipe down west half the team needs 2 go and klopp 2 its time 4 a change.

30.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 23:34:49
I respectfully disagree MrHamstring. I respect your opinion but it’s not one that I share.

31.) 03 Feb 2023
03 Feb 2023 23:51:28
Once again people miss the bigger picture. Do you not understand that these people work together every day they don’t just come together for 90 minutes on match day.
Keeping firmino is not only for what he can do on the pitch but his influence and experience off it.
We’ve already lost some big characters that might not be first choice but had a big role to play in the dressing room.
I don’t know Bobby but I’m guessing he’s well liked and seems a model professional. A good guy for the new young strikers to learn from.

32.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 00:11:53
I see no problem with Bobby staying nor any reason to sell Jota. We finally have attacking depth (baring current injuries) to rival City which we have been whinging about for ages and now people are talking about thinning the ranks. I don’t get it.

33.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 00:49:10
The best part of this thread is why his wages got anything to do with it?

34.) 04 Feb 2023
04 Feb 2023 01:17:50
@Mrhamstring - nice insight and very well put. Of course if you hang on long enough the whole squad will need replacing.

Back in the real world ….

@Scouse John, spot on - from a fans’ perspective wages have no relevance as we aren’t being asked to chip in every month to pay them. The numbers bandied about are just I’ll informed guesswork anyway but it helps some people to prioritise a neat list of the value they place on players and hence how much they deserve to stay at the club at any given time. As an example around this time last year there was a fair number of people saying Salah was worth £ 300kna week and we should sign him up forever. Not quite the same this year.

35.) 05 Feb 2023
05 Feb 2023 00:28:17
You can't give contracts to players because they are 'good in the dressing room'.
Firmino was a great player, but he's injury-prone, he's fallen down the pecking order and is the wrong side of 30.

36.) 05 Feb 2023
05 Feb 2023 10:26:34
Firmino was not injury prone, nor was Jota. Now they suddenly are.

What is going on in training because it is like a C.V. and rarely incurred during match day.

37.) 05 Feb 2023
05 Feb 2023 11:46:35
Just when ye think can it get any Worse! ask yourselves this one question would Firmino get a regular starting place at any top, top club in Europe now or in the future?

38.) 05 Feb 2023
05 Feb 2023 17:30:15
@Willo, the club can give contracts for whatever reason it sees fit, including members of the squad being a good influence off the field. I take the inference that you wouldn’t give Firmino a contract and that’s fair enough but it seems the club (and me, if I’m being honest) don’t agree with your opinion.

@007, I asked myself the question and the answer was ‘no’. Then I asked myself ‘So what? ’ As we don’t know the terms of his contract the original question is probably irrelevant as I’m fairly sure his contract doesn’t include home being a certain starter for Liverpool, which is all that’s relevant.

39.) 05 Feb 2023
05 Feb 2023 22:17:45
This is a long thread all based on Firmino signing a new contract. Only snag is, he hasn't.

40.) 05 Feb 2023
05 Feb 2023 23:38:35
Party pooper KBL.