27 Sep 2023 00:51:02
Well, what a start? this team looks incredible this season and it's only just the beginning, the lads are still learning to gel which is easy to forget considering how good we are looking.

Bring any team on, we've got this. This season is our comeback season.

Are we worried about Spurs? I certainly aren't, they've had a great start but they can't and won't match us.

Also hoping for a good result tomorrow, it'll be a good chance for a few of the younger lads to shine.

Hope all is well.

Believe.

1.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 04:39:29
I'm with you on this, Salah.

2.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 06:26:00
Ditto your sentiments Salah

Nice to see that you're posting a little more frequently.

Hope you're keeping well mate.

3.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 06:28:57
It’s quite incredible really that I joined this site when the season hadn’t begun and a vocal majority of fans were more than criticising the “position we found ourselves in”; our inability to retain players that a few months before they were slamming for performance; our inability to recruit quality (by this time we at least already had Mac All and Dom); just general all round moaning with an inference that they could themselves do a better job!

Move on 6 weeks into the season and a very good start and we are all of a sudden world beaters and the positive posts come out in as much force as the previous negativity.

Now I’m not saying that is you changing tune Salah you may have been a believer from the off I don’t know BUT why have all those highly vocal critics crawled under their stones and not come out saying “well we might have been wrong”? And be accepting that, at least, the professionals know better than them!

I’m not saying I predicted this start far from it but I did always have trust, belief in the management and in the players left behind those that got abuse, now praise!

Always remember YNWA a couple of bad results will come at some point they will and when they do get behind your team an encourage from a far because you know their capabilities.

4.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 08:01:07
Metro, that’s short term, knee jerk modern social media anonymity for you. One extreme to the other with little reasonable debate in the middle.

5.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 08:20:41
@Metro, all the roller coaster of opinion means is that there’s absolutely no point whatsoever in placing any faith in the opinions of most of us (especially mine which I’m informed are quite simply embarrassing) on this forum. ??.

6.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 08:36:58
Lots of posters exposed themselves as "sing when you're winning" types last season. I remember in particular one regular poster blaming other posters on here after one particular loss.
I simply can't class those "win or I slag everyone" types as supporters.

7.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 08:45:38
Metro red mate- salah has been a long long time poster. In all those years I don’t think I’ve ever seen him post negatively. He’s always a ball of belief. I suspect he took a break because this site took a little bit of a negative swing for a while. It’s hard to be positive when people are just attacking you for positivity. (I still think it’s all down to C.V. and the mass trauma we’ve all been through. Because this site was once a bastion- even when we were midtable) Alas, I suspect the negativity will return and I hope he stays. Sometimes people need to take a break. Great to see you posting more salah.

8.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 08:48:56
@metro
I’d also claim that a portion of the accounts that moaned over the summer was newer people on here who - I am guessing here - just wanted their transfer fix from here and moaned cus the club didn’t sign 20 players. Then the window closes and they are not even looking at this site, never mind giving it a second thought.

@salah
My man ynwa.

9.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 09:08:35
MetroRed, as you said you are relatively new here. Along with many others here who have been here since over a decade or more, all I can tell you is that it's par for the course. It's always like a pendulum on here. From extreme praise to extreme criticism; I can't think of a single player who hasn't felt the adulation or wrath on here. The one person who's been spared all these years is Klopp; he who walks around with the golden halo.

What goes on here is directly correlated to what's going on during our games and the season, obviously. All the ups and downs. But you're very right about certain things. We lose or draw and the knives come out slicing and dicing, while it's all quiet when we win a hard fought game. It hints at very high expectations all the fans have of LFC. Keep marching forward and everyone just nods their head and goes about their business. Lose a game and everything gets dissected, and players, owners and the staff get abused.

And forget about coming on here and self-correcting. A few brave ones do it, but as they say, talk is cheap, it costs nothing, and most people forget what they have said or hope everyone else has.

Changing tunes is as common as the sun rising every day. Like I said, par for the course. Hundreds of examples. Yesterday, I actually read Curtis Jones was World class, LOL. Just 2 Months ago most wanted him gone. But it's fine. It's a forum with freedom to express, which I love about this site since years and years.

And Salah is one of the extremely positive ones. He used to post daily, but (I suspect) he was "hounded out" for his views, or he's got other priorities now. The same has happened with "negative" posters. Again, par for the course.

I just enjoy the site. I don't take anything too seriously. Have learnt a lot of patience and tolerance from here.

10.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 10:05:43
I was one who posted some concerns I had about our performances preseason and early this season. I got criticism for posting these concerns but I'm not hiding under a rock. I'm v pleasantly surprised with our points return so far. What a good position to be in. I believe we got out of jail in some games (Newcastle) but the Westham performance was an improvement and one in which I felt we were pretty much in control of for the full 90 minutes. I'm still slightly concerned about playing mac as Dm and the system but the defence are currently allaying a lot of my worries. dom has been aarevelation. Spurs will be a real test of where we are at and if we can take 3 pints there I'll start believing this can be another great season. Think City will win the league by about 15 points but we could be better than the rest.

11.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 11:10:35
3 pints at Spurs? What about the second half?

Back to Metro's post: I think the attitudes to Joe Gomez and Curtis Jones sum up some of our fans. The abuse that Gomez got last season, especially on the live chat, was out of order. And Jones plays in midfield and has done for years, yet our midfield has apparently been neglected to the point where we could be a midtable side.
Look at how people are talking about Gomez and Jones now ?.

12.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 10:28:07
Metro, are you asking for some kind of accountability and honesty from people who literally don't care whether they are wrong and only care about being right and are ready to do and say whatever it takes to be right all the time? I propose you don't hold your breathe, my guy.

As for @Salah, brother has been out here for years with this outlook on things LFC-related almost come hell or high water. It is literally who he is and what he does whatever the weather. Positive as heck.

Now I do agree with you that there are some posters who literally will NEVER pipe up on this forum when we are on a winning streak BUT as soon as we get into a sticky patch, they are back on here with all types of chest, dancing over our proverbial graves saying, "I told you so" and gloating as if us winning is validation for them. Wretched stuff, man. I got names too, bro. BUT I leave things as they are. All this said, I love this site and would be lost without it as an LFC fan.

13.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 11:23:11
Ah my dear Salah, I've tried to stress the importance of not getting
too carried away this season.
Albeit few decent periods in a few games we've been bang average this season. I'd go far as to say very fortunate.
Don't get me wrong I am enjoying the results, but I do sense downturn in results.
Might be thick etc etc but I only see top 10 finish for us.

14.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 12:25:05
Really good start. Great options in midfield and up top. Back line is our Achilles heel, ? for a top centre half in January.

15.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 12:35:30
Oh2bnegativehappydays2, aren't you the one who said Jones was only good for about 2 games last season and even Ed25 had to pull you up on that? Yeah, that was you. Sorry, you do not do whatever you say you do in your post. You saying we have been to some extent bang average and fortunate all season, is just crap I do not have the will to address cos it is that ludicrous, IMO.

All you do is slag off our players (see Curtis Jones reference) and have next to nothing to say about us even when we are doing well again, as your post suggests. And you saying we will finish top 10 means sweet nothing cos that is about 10 positions we can finish which btw, includes in 1st place.

Go on with your chest and actually, specify where exactly we will finish since we have been bang average and fortunate this season rather than waffling around about finishing top 10 which means nothing, IMO.

16.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 13:39:38
Oh Walter haha I love it, you're Mr negative and I'm Mr positive but it's all fun mate.

Thank you to all.

Oli don't rise to Walter mate, it's what he wants, he's a bugger for it lol.

AoMe, always good to speak to myself ;) haha hope you're well mate!

17.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 14:04:58
Plenty of revisionism going on here.

The season is going well so far and the new signings are settling in quickly. The speedy assimilation is a credit to Klopp and the culture he has created at the club. No debate.

Last season was a disaster. Much of that was down to Klopp who seemed to be surprised when the midfield could not reproduce the energy of previous seasons. He had ample opportunities within the season to change it but didn't.

Likewise, Klopp seemed surprised by the centreback crisis in 20/ 21 after going into the season with just Virgil, Matip and Gomez as senior options.

While everything is going well right now, I hope there won't be surprise if we suffer another CB injury crisis given the injury histories of Ibou, Matip and JoeyG.

As always, a bit of balance is needed.

18.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 14:06:33
Curtis is championship level isn't he? ?.

19.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 14:10:02
The start to the season has been excellent as you say. Its just that. A start of course. Anything can happen from here on out.

The points accumulated are only one aspect of the start. How good the performances that deliver those results is another key aspect and could perhaps be an indicator for the future of this season. Of course consistency of performance is also massively important.

Looking at the evidence so far, I think its highly likely we see Liverpool back in top four this season.

Title challenge? possibly. Look, the standard is so high with Man City. I'm still of the position that we should have bought a first choice DM and CB in the Summer because I knew we'd be much closer this season on the back of MacAllister and Szoboszlai signings. But not signing a DM and CB however has also positives to it as we've seen so far this season. I'd probably place our chances of winning the title at 20%. And that's more than enough for me as a fan to believe its going to happen 100%.

Postives for the Season:
1. Mohamed Salah: keeping him was a huge statement of intent and from a sporting point of view, 100% the right call. This start is not possible without Mo. While his speed slightly lessens (still fast), his play making goes to another level. Great players adapt and he is. It seems like Salah is involved in every goal one way or another this season. Its not exactly the same Salah but he is equally brillant. He is the talisman of this club and a difference maker comparing us to other challengers. The King is the biggest reason we can be positive about our chances this season.

2. Szoboslai: Szobozlai is amazing addition. I should be talking about his technical ability, passing ability etc. etc. but all I can talk about work rate. I've never seen the likes of it before. You think he is the flashy player but he genuinely tracks back as fast as he goes forward. I can't almost come up with the words to describe the honesty, dedication, sacrificing yourself for the team, desire that it does to play the way he does. It goes far far beyond proffessionalism. I'm in awe of him. I will speak more about him in the next paragraph on Jones but Szoboszlai has moved this team up a level or two. I've re-read that paragraph and its still not doing his impact justice. Outstanding times infinity. Still not enough but the best I can do.


3. Jones: I mentioned not getting a DM in the summer had positives. Jones is that positive. I had big faith in Jones previously so I'm not one of those guys who were trashing him but he is just growing and growing and growing. I heard people say x could be our Wijnaldum, y could be our wijnaldum. Jones is this player. and likely could be better with only injuries deciding that fate I think. He is a work horse. Almost szoboszlai-like levels which is like saying god-like levels. The press from these two is insane but also the scambling when the press is beaten. They are brave. They are up for the fight. They are there to win the midfield battle but equally they can both play excellent stuff. Jones started this run last season playing very safe but you can see his confidence growing and starting to play more and more. If there's any justice in the world, please keep this guy injury free. If that happens, we have some powerful engine room with these two in midfield. 600 billion horse power or something like that. massive positive for the outlook of this season.

4. Nunez: He's gone up a level with his play. Still creating lots of chances like last year. Still missing chances like last year. But he is always likely to score with the amount he creates and that's the key. But where he has gone up a level is his general play. He is bringing others into the play much better. His link up is improving. Improvement still needed but massively trending upwards. What he also does is replace Salah's threat in behind. That front line right now is starting to click of Diaz, Nunez and Salah. It has a bit of everything. We've seen what we can do with special front threes before. This could be another one.

5. Forward options in general: Being able to bring Gakpo and Jota off the bench. What a luxury. The forward options when games are not going well are just superb. These guys can make a difference.

6. Mac Allister: Whether his long term future is at 6 or not remains to be seen but he is an excellent addition. Brings quality and versatility.

7. Gomez: Could it be? Could it finally be? He always had promise but seems he could get down on mistakes. He has made mistakes this season but he's not down. He's putting it aside and driving on. At least so far. He has been excellent. I'm so excited about him. With Joe Gomez on this form and the good form of Matip, and the emergance of Quansah, return of good form by Van Dijk (not his best but getting closer), our defensive options don't look half bad. Another postive of not buying in the transfer market perhaps. Early days to say something like that I think but early indications are that our defensive options are pretty good.

8. Alisson: Ray Clemmence is before my time but the stats speak for themselves. However could Allison be a contender for the greatest Liverpool goalie of all time. He has had moments of sheer enormity. Refusing to go up for the corner against Barcelona. defying the Manager. Absolutely inspired. The goal against West Brom to basically get us Champions League football. That assist for Salah against united on the title run. The sheer and utter consitency of decision making and special saves. They way he presents himself. His leadership. This player, this man is so so special. When I think of the greatest goalies I've seen in my lifetime, the Buffons, Schmiechal's etc. he is easily up there. Biased of course but he is my number 1. He will be another difference maker this season.

Negatives:

Only real negative I have so far is I'm not sure we are quite there with our tactics yet. Its closer and the little tweaks here and there are working. I just wouldn't say its firing on all cylinders tactically just yet but I admire the work that is being done is improving things. If we really get that right, and there's consitency in what the players are doing now, then this could be a special season.

Its amazing that that's the only negative I could really find. That tactics are decent but not perfect. All in all, I'm very excited by this start.

As for Spurs, they are building nicely. I would say we are playing slightly better but this game will be a tough tough test. I do think they are on the up.
Its looking like this will be one of the tougher games on the calendar. Really interested to see how we go in this one. It should give us our best indication yet how things are going.

Final point, why are fans so concerned about pouncing on anything negatively said as discrediting towards someone's support for the club. I'm still not happy with some of how our transfer season was handled and still think there needs to be changes behind the scenes at the club. Just because I think this, does not mean I'm not rooting for them to prove me wrong. I also also said we improved which was the main aim of a transfer seasons. There's positives and negatives with every club. Its fun to discuss both aspects for debate. It doesn't make a slight bit of difference what we think really. Its just debate for banter. I just think there's room to criticize every now and again in a balanced world and it should be allowed. I consider myself a mostly postive poster. I love the postive ones like MK, Fathinworks, OliRed, DFHC, Salah. But equally some of the really negative ones are great. NegativeHappyDays is a great poster. DaretoDream, the irony of his name gets me every time. Literally one of my favourite posters just for that reason. And I really really really miss negative Walter. If you are out there Walter, please come say something about how we are going to get relagated. I guess my main point is, Can we just all get along?

20.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 14:28:22
I get it but I don’t get it. I favour a little more intellect and, indeed, understanding and critique of the game as opposed to calling out individuals badly in what after all is a team game (that many people forget) .

When you have a League as competitive as ours and a certain number of clubs with the richness of ours then it is tough competition and not all will win all - actually NONE win all (you could argue in terms of number of games we came closest or trophies City came closest both recently but none one everything) .

As a Liverpool fan that knows that competition there is anticipation of winning and anything other than winning is losing - 2nd, 3rd, 4th and beyond is losing each to a greater degree but losing it is!

So, knowing the competition my only “expectation” is that my team does everything it can to compete with the other clubs with an “anticipation” of winning (and of course a certain hope) . But I am negligent enough to know that there will be days (like all of us in our jobs) where our performance dips - and unfortunately sometimes that can ride a performance dip wave until it breaks into a calmer ocean.

My view over my lifetime is that my club has on the whole continued to do that and with that I will be ever proud. On every semi bad season does not define us!

21.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 16:15:05
@Davey, the negative part of the season so far that you picked out regarding tactics is valid and all I can say about that is that it is early in the season and things are still being worked out if you like. The good thing is that while all that is happening, we are winning and playing some good stuff, tactics be damned. So, let's give it time and see what happens. Remember, you don't want to be playing your best this early. You want to be playing your best in the run-in. Now, you are building a platform that will set us up moving forward. Just my take.

For me, I have no problem with people being negative and all that. However, what I have a problem with is with people using their negativity as the basis to denigrate our achievements by calling it freak results, being fortunate or lucky. Sorry, I ain't having that. Sure, there is an element of luck in everything in life BUT luck also means "When preparation meets opportunity".

That Newcastle game for ex., had some luck in it BUT we made the changes and the players and the staff believed it would work playing with 10 men and worked their arses off for 67 mins. Darwin came on and banged cos he was "prepared" for both those "opportunities" and took them when they came. No luck there, man. No freak result there. Apart from that, people are free to be negative just as others are free to critique the basis of such negativity on the merits. Just my take.

22.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 16:28:18
Ah the defensive injury crisis, happens once in 7 years of klopp because of a horrible challenge, an oblitary injury picked up on England duty and then Matip through having to play all the games succumbing afrer Xmas and everyone fears a repeat for years. We'll be grand at centrehalf, we've already been missing players there through injury and suspension and have coped fine! Quansah has been a huge bonus, fair play to Jurgen having belief in him.

23.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 16:56:57
Walter, I don't know about thickness, but you are easily the most negative person on this site. Regardless of where the team is or what it is doing. Most of us read criticism on here from morning to night, but I have never ever seen anybody ever write that Klopp should be sacked and that they'd be very happy about it. But you did it. Classifying yourself as an LFC fan/ supporter therefore, is one of the mysteries of the Universe to me. The huge black hole type.

Of course this means nothing, you're entitled to your opinion. But you should know the view of your opinions (regardless of whether you care or not) .

24.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 16:57:35
Couple of points to make on my post on the back of Salah's:

1) I certainly was not calling out Salah as you can see from reading again I said I don't know whether he was previously one of those that just slammed players without talking constructively about the games or moments for which they were slammed.

2) Constructive, articulate, even part knowledgeable (or what on a read could be considered such) critique (positive or negative) is good. Slamming without content and construct is just mouthing off, is boring and skip-over material. This site is pretty good on the whole esp input discussions with the Ed's - I like when things are asked and they give a view and someone intellectually counters of advances that view. But some stuff is just laughable - when the read feels like your watching someone scream at the screen and at people plying a trade of which they have (lets face it) got to a pretty high pinnacle of. Nothing wrong with offering a critique but let's have some construct.

25.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 17:10:53
So people calling for 'balance' describe last season as 'a disaster'?
In 20/ 21 we lost three centre backs and the two back ups, Henderson and Fabinho, to injury. How many senior options do we expect to go into a season with?

26.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 17:37:36
Is that at me Rigsby? I think I'm generally a positive guy and my posts in the main back that up.

I'm not calling for balance as much as I'm calling for respect of opposite personalities and views.

I criticise things every now and then but definitely positive in the main. Also pretty sure I didn't call last season a disaster although I think we can all agree it was a big drop off. Heck I was driving the positive bus at the end of the season ?.

{Ed025's Note - i must admit Davey i have never seen you as a moaner mate..

27.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 17:52:44
Is that you Walter? O2bnegativehappydays? Class if it is. Never change . You are a top 5 poster of mine.

Also Oli completely agree. Tactics can take time over a season. I had to put some negative there?.

28.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 18:06:45
It wasn't aimed at you, Davey.
I've never had you down as a 'disaster' merchant, mate.
All the other top sides have dropped out of the CL places except for City but when we do it it's 'a disaster'.
Even when we lose all our three senior centre backs and two back ups from midfield we still finished third but people still moan about it.

29.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 18:22:36
I see most of the negativity on here as a defence mechanism. It shows a weakness of character and a fear of being let down. If you always expect the worst and shout it from the rooftops you can never be disappointed and even make yourself feel better by saying you were right all along.

I see absolutely no point in supporting a football team and constantly criticising everything about it. We all know we won’t win everything. We all know there will be times when things don’t go our way. When that happens it shows a much stronger mentality and a much more endearing quality to stand up, stick you chest out and support the team even more.

If you support Liverpool FC, own it, be proud through good times and bad. We are one of the most successful clubs in football history and I consider myself hugely fortunate to have been born on Merseyside into a family who have seen our triumphs (and many defeats) through the generations and passed their passion for this wonderful club on to me. I will never throw this club or team under the bus. When we lose I will ALWAYS blame the ref. When we sign an average player I will ALWAYS say he will come good. When Mo misses a chance I will ALWAYS blame a bobbly pitch.

That’s just me, I’m a red through and through. I’ve worn red tinted specs since birth and there isn’t a surgeon alive that could ever remove them.

30.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 19:44:53
That's a fair point about a defence mechanism, Beckers.
If people think we are a poor midtable then they are not too disappointed when we play like one. They need the certainty of us playing like a poor midtable side or playing like one in the near future when we get some injuries or 'found out'.
As the late Alfie Solomons said, "every man, he craves certainty".

31.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 20:05:43
Just to clarify I am indeed negativeredwalter. Just want to say if I offend people it's not done on purpose.
I just say things as I see fit.
No I don't think we will win the league unfortunately.
I said top ten because I don't believe we have the personel in players out of our first 11 to maintain a real go at the league.
Injury has been a big problem for us over the last few years and that's my main concern when I predicted top ten.
I maintain our performances haven't been fantastic. Keep needing to change formations etc.
I am very glad and happy with the wins and our current position.
Unfortunately can't watch tonights game but hope you all along with me are celebrating a good win.
Brilliant to have you posting again Salah hopefully it will be more frequently.
All the best to everyone and hopefully I don't upset people in the future.

32.) 27 Sep 2023
27 Sep 2023 22:29:48
Awesome you re still around Walter. I thought this oh2b guy was ripping you off. I did think he was doing way to good of a job. You keep us all grounded my man. I love just how negative you always are. I personally find it brilliant but I'm weird like that. That's why I have you in my top 5 and I genuinely meant that. You re no match for my love for Ed25/ billy but you re in the group after that. I ll stop now as I'm afraid praise depresses you more? fyi I think Liverpool will finish top ten too. 1st is in the top ten.

Rigsby I could swear this is the second time I apologised for misinterpreting a post of yours. Man I'm just going to agree with everything you say from here on out. Safer.

Well lads I'm digging this new 3-1 scoreline we re getting accustomed to. Thank god for slow motion replay on that Szobozlai shot. Thank god nobody got hit by that rocket. He wears the number 8 very well.

33.) 28 Sep 2023
28 Sep 2023 08:44:23
Davey, as Derek Trotter used to say, "you know it makes sense" ?.

34.) 28 Sep 2023
28 Sep 2023 12:33:25
Davey, I believe Rigsby was aiming his comment at me.

He doesn't like me using the word "disaster" to describe last season and 20/ 21.

I will keep using it as until someone has a better word.