West Ham United v Liverpool - A Quick Liverpool Perspective

30 Apr 2024 08:52:16
{Ed's Note - Ed001 has posted a new article entitled, West Ham United v Liverpool - A Quick Liverpool Perspective


1.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 09:46:34
Good read as usual Ed1. I wonder how can you watches these last few Liv matches more than once. It must be hard watching the replay without cursing on everyone on Liv side. Every time I saw we passing the ball sideway and then all the way back to the keeper, or when Trent just casually walk into the middle, it make me infuriated.

{Ed001's Note - it is hard work watching us once, let alone twice, at the moment.}


2.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 10:57:43
Ugh, no idea how you do it Ed. It's difficult to watch these flat performances. A slow death.

Agree on the curious recruitment vs the way we try to play.

But then again, the coaching team has remained pretty static for 5 years and Klopp, whether intended or not, has effectively played the role of sporting director over the last 2 years. This is how echo chambers are formed.

{Ed001's Note - very good point. We have needed to refresh things. That was how Fergie stayed at the top so long, he constantly changed his coaching team. He was more of a sporting director/director of football than a coach, he rarely appeared on the training pitches. But the rotation of new coaches underneath allowed him to stay up to date and brought in fresh new ideas.}


3.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 12:07:57
This is the point I was trying to make previously. I am as sad as anyone to see Klopp go, however, I am glad that Pep Linders is going and I am looking forward to a new COACH coming in - which is what I believe Arne Slot's "job title" to actually be. As much as I love Klopp it seems like we play "Linders-ball" which is this slow monotonous play which doesn't suit us or the majority of our players. Klopp deserves all the love and thanks for what he has done over the last 8 years but I am excited to see what AS will bring to our playing style next year.


4.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 11:26:27
Great read, as always Ed01. IMO, the reason not much is being said about Taylor's reprehensible display of incompetence laced in infinite arrogance, is cos LFC are out of the title race. As I said before, had this incident happened vs Palace (and had Gakpo scored, for ex. ) when we had a real shot at the title or vs Fulham last week and we didn't win, can you imagine the type of firestorm that would have ensued? Webbo and the PG-LOL (saw that on line, lol) would have been scampering for cover cos after all the wretched decisions we've had go against us, it would have been very interesting to see what Webbo and Owen would have come up with.

As for the game, it was a real snooze fest esp. in that first half. WH are terrible, mate. Absolutely dire but we couldn't do much cos we ain't that far away from their level right now.

As for the bust-up, I think Klopp kept Elliott (who was having a wretched time of it, IMO) on for that long to send a message to Salah and others that there are no favorites here. Salah got upset (he prolly was already for being benched) and with him ignoring Klopp's hug/ handshake), tempers flared up. Storm in a tea cup, IMO.

{Ed001's Note - I doubt it has anything to do with Elliott. Not a chance.}


5.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 11:50:50
Ed001, whatever you're paying yourself, it's not enough to watch these games twice. Maybe call it a day until next season pal! For your own sanity.

{Ed001's Note - it is not enough to watch them once, so I defo agree on it not being enough to sit through a repeat!}


6.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 12:27:01
Tactics have been poor but the manager not being ruthless with poor performances from Mo Szob Konate and Nunez has not helped. These 4 players have been truly abysmal and would not get in a League one team based on performance. I would not sweat it if any of these 4 left the club.


7.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 12:45:15
After your review of Everton game, first time it gave a feeling that the reivew came out of full frustration.

(esp around Klopp should have gone 2 years before and all)

But you hit the nail on the head here when you said that if we need to play possession style, we don't have the right/ intelligent players to play that sort of game.

Honestly the evolution from heavy metal to the current style was required and the right apporach. Unfortunately we did not have players to execute and hence we have looked so dull in most of these games. (the results were covering us up untill the last few games) .

Every team we have played this season looked like the have come to challenge us and were looking better most of the time whereas we were able to grind out results.

Hence we had so many fans say x, y, z team would roll over against M City, Arsenal but a team at 20 or 19th spot would give us a run for money everytime we played them. (that feeling)

Wished Mo Salah could have handled it better when he was asked while he was leaving. We can fogive whatever happened on the field as there might have been too much tension brewing but he could have kept quiet and put this to rest by just keeping calm instead of fire comments.


8.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 13:00:02
Ed01, I can see that. Just thought Salah could have been pee'd off at the fact that he's on the bench (and rightfully so) yet those playing ahead of him (maybe not Elliott specifically) aren't doing the business either and in fact, are fluffing their lines the way he has been.


9.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 13:11:15
Ed1, I don't know if you agree or not but it seems to me that we have no pattern or any idea of what to do in our build up phase. All we do seems to be passing the ball sideways and backwards between the midfielders and the defenders. And when Trent goes to midfield, we give him the ball and hoping he can produce pass of the season or we pass the ball to our wingers, mainly Diaz and hoping he can dribble pass all 10 oppositions players. Its hard to believe that we actually work on our build up phase in training sessions.

{Ed001's Note - to a degree I can see what you mean yes, but I am sure they do work on it, but it is just that it conflicts with the keeping possession work, most likely. It leaves the players trying to play it safe too often, as the emphasis is on keep ball.}


10.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 14:08:16
Watched the game in a bar on holiday with a Chelsea fan. funny hearing other people's thoughts who don't support us . but we were winning 2-1 n I was sayin don't sit back, go for the 3rd n he says no Liverpool are managing the game now . I laughed n said you abv don't know us well.5 mins later its 2-2.he was shaking his head on how easy it was for them to score.


11.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 15:00:06
The words he used in his departure announcement says it all. "Running out of energy". Not "content with what I've done", or "ready in a new chapter". I think the obvious inflection point is C.V.. The collective and personal trauma of the C.V., winning the title with no fans, and the unexpected collapse in the following season are huge stress inducers. We use the word burnout colloquially but sometimes it's important to actually clarify what it is. WHO consider burnout to be an entirely occupational phenomenon, and it genuinely affects how the brain functions.

"Burnout is a syndrome conceptualized as resulting from chronic workplace stress that has not been successfully managed. It is categorised by three dimensions:

- Feelings of energy depletion or exhaustion,
- Increased mental distance from one's job, or feeling of negativism or cynicism related to one's job,
- Reduced professional efficiency

I'm not here to diagnose Klopp. However, the decision he made 2 years ago to take a step back, while still in the job (this distinction is important) is a telltale characteristic of someone managing burnout, and it also speaks to his nature of not wanting to quit or let the club down. Unfortunately, that's a temporary fix at best. The only real cure is to stop completely. But taking extended leave isn't an option in management. You're either in or you're out.

One more quote.

"Initially, signs and symptoms of burnout are subtle, with gradual progression. Although aware of negative changes in their mental (emotional, cognitive) and physical functioning, at first, many affected individuals neither recognize nor understand the connection between these changes and the depletion of their resources of mental and physical energy and well-being".

Cheers.

{Ed025's Note - interesting read that mate..


12.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 15:04:11
It's even worse when you actually pay to watch the turgid ****.


13.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 15:08:07
A Chelsea fan shaking his head at Liverpool?!
I wonder what he makes of things at his club. That penalty the other week was unbelievable.
Credit to Palmer though. He let them argue before scoring it and leaving them to carry on arguing about who should have taken it ?.


14.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 19:00:30
Rigsby. he was praising us until I pointed out, we wouldn't be able to stop them scoring. that's why i wanted a 3rd. he thought I was joking. Oh don't worry I gave him what I thought of his team. he agreed ha.


15.) 30 Apr 2024
30 Apr 2024 21:09:52
Agree with you there ed. In the first three years klopps 'safety' in games was to just keep scoring until the other team couldn't catch up. Last three years he's been far more negative and tried to protect one goal leads more commonly. The players don't have the organisation and mentality to protect leads and also best defence is offence.

You've got that dead right.


16.) 01 May 2024
01 May 2024 03:09:03
A great read at the end of my day Ed1, many thanks mate.

{Ed001's Note - thanks mate, glad you enjoyed.}