16 Aug 2023 01:32:09
It it just me or is anyone else falling out of love with the game? I remember when things were simple and there wasn't issues over everything little thing. I remember when this site used to be fun, when rumours were met with joy and laughter, people used to talk to each other with respect and interact like grown human beings. Macca used to post regularly without problem. Football has changed so much and I still love liverpool but sadly the game has changed for the worse and I can't see it getting any better. The greed has taken over and its become ugly. I don't know what the answer is tbh. I'm sure some smart arse on here will have something to say but I for one am sick of footy at the moment. What's your view 25? Hope you're well me old mate.

{Ed025's Note - i was saying the same last year Marty, the fun seems to have gone out the game and it has been going downhill for quite a while, the amount of money in the game when people are struggling to feed their families is an a issue i believe and the growing force of keyboard warriors, people are less nice than they used to be and less tolerant of other peoples views and opinions mate, if you could see some of the posts that get deleted Marty it would surprise you, i have been threatened in the past that that people will come and find me because because of what i have said on a football forum...unbelievable geoff.
I try and bring a lighthearted twist to the site as its getting far too serious for my liking, i dont know whether its a symptom of modern day society or just football but people think they can talk to people on the internet how they want and with no respect and thats ruining things, you would thing people would cut me some slack as im an Evertonian and have enough on my plate :)
Im good thanks mate and hope you and yours are my friend..

1.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 07:18:47
Add to it when your beloved club is nit playing good football it’s difficult to hold interest in the game.

{Ed025's Note - thats certainly a factor Akira..

2.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 07:27:40
I think what people need to remember is that there is another human being on the receiving end of their comments. Whatever people put on social media, they need to think "would I actually say this to their face? " before posting.

{Ed025's Note - absolutely Willo mate..

3.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 07:36:42
I think many football fans of the “top clubs” could do with a few seasons of lower league football. They might then get back in touch with what being a football fan actually means.

Football is just as much about the heartache as it is the success.

Nowadays there is a desire for instant success and inability to accept anything other than parity on every level with other clubs.

The tribalism is also going to a different level and it doesn’t even stop with other clubs. Look at the way the fsg out and fsg defending arguments go, they are just as bad.

Then you have the simply dire officiating of the game and the need to try to stamp out all enjoyment (celebrating, showing emotion) .

Fans/ pundits/ professionals defend the indefensible just because of who it went for or against - from this weekend I’m looking at you Ten Haag.

Add in the social media / media orgy of every little thing. Whipping up whatever sentiment they want. Look at Talksports post about mason mount the other day. Yes it was factually correct but it was purely designed to get people engaging and arguing. Start a pile in on a 24 year old.

So no Marty, it isn’t just you or Ed0025. We are in danger of losing what made football special to begin with.

4.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 07:44:15
Feeling exactly the same this past year or so. Used to watch football every chance I got. now its just the liverpool games. That is becoming a chore also. No characters in the game, league is becoming a farce, referees and var is a shambles. If you haven't got the oil money. forget it. Its gone too far now.

5.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 07:52:14
What Marty and Ed25 have said are symptoms of a degenerating society where there is a lacking compassion, empathy, accountability and sense of responsibility to our fellow man or to the rules. Now, as long as you get success, it doesn’t matter how you got there or what rules you broke to get there. The ends justifies the means and this is what has lead to more corruption which has spilt into football and football fandom. City and other clubs can cheat their way to success and what do you hear? You hear fans if other clubs saying well if I were them, I’d want my club to “strive for success by any means necessary”. See what society we live in now? It’s all about clout chasing and success at all costs, all ethics, rules, integrity be damned.

The fact that Ed25 was threatened with physical abuse for talking some slack on a footie forum is something very disturbing. Macca left this forum cos people rained abuse on him for not giving them the type of info they wanted to hear yet they were the twerking for it. For me, I refuse to engage in these things and I teach my kids from an early age to never engage in such wretched behaviour deemed okay by society.

6.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 08:14:59
The game is becoming less competitive.
I remember the early days of the PL and the late days of the ‘first division’.

Blackburn, Leeds, Newcastle being promoted and then the next season they were challenging for the title.
Palace finishing runners up, West Ham, Norwich all competing at the top. Charlton were perennial top 10, Ipswich used to have good seasons.

It didn’t need an oligarch or a state sponsorship. Granted Blackburn benefited from Jack Walkers money. In general it was done with good players and good organised football.

Now it’s the same team names with massive squads and massive overhaul of players dominating everything. Not just winning, but the same top 5 or 6 give or take the odd exception.

You can’t even compete unless you’re ‘financially doped’ it’s very sad.

7.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 08:21:43
I have to agree with all the above and to add to it the absolute blatant cheating from the reffing is driving crazy.

8.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 08:39:21
I couldn't agree more with what has been said above.

Football used to be that "get away from it all" thing in my life. But I now feel so much more angrier and disillusioned after watching a football match. the love and enjoyment has been sucked out of it.

Drastic changes are needed, however I fear that the future is all about those who have money and for those that don't, I'm not even sure what will happen to them.

9.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 08:42:28
That's the downside of social media - the idiots in society get a voice, Tw@tter being the ultimate example.
Football support when I was growing up was about getting behind your team, now it's about screaming abuse if the opposition cross the halfway line, or if a player misplaces a pass.
Some of the posts I read on here (and other sites) often have me wondering "what's going on in that person's life that makes them come to a football site just to vent their rage? ".
There are too many who take themselves and what's happening with the club too seriously. When you reach the stage where you simply can't stand to have a little humour injected into things then it's time to step back for a while or walk away.

10.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 08:43:56
IMO it is the exponentially widening contradiction of football that is the issue, that is, the cognitive dissonance, the chasm created by the ludicrous amount of money in the game, when so many people are struggling financially, balanced against the weird ability of football, as a global sport, to sometimes transcend itself, to be almost poetic theatre at times, when at its best. Experiencing that poetry in the flesh and sharing that communal experience with thousands of others is very powerful but at the same time the experience is being polluted year on year by the greed within the game.
I think something happened with LFC towards the end of last year when FSG announced they were looking for a buyer or an investor. Shortly after the announcement, Ward and Graham resigned, completely out of the blue and from the outside things seem to be a bit unstable.

11.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 10:01:33
Fully agree, @Flash.

@Barakdee, interesting final point regarding the club and the departures. I was listening to an LFC related podcast last night and someone said the exact same thing about these departures as well as the appointment of a retired DOF in Jorg which may or may not correlate with the owners desire to get new investors or outright sell the club.

To him, it seems we are engaging in self-sabotage cos how did we not go out and get an actual DOF rather than drwing one out of retirement? Indeed, that looks weird, right? Our model was working well regarding transfers and people were using our model to prove what can be if you aren't a financially doped club.

Suddenly, it seems as you say, unstable with Billy Hogan handling transfers now rather than the DOF we brought out of retirement. Baffling.

12.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 10:27:03
I think people need to get back to going to watch football games live.

And that’s not me on about Liverpool I mean all games of football be it if you’re lucky enough to get tickets or if it’s the lowest level of grass roots football.

Over the last few years I’ve spent far more time trying to get to lower league games if opportunity presents and watching my local amateur team every week they don’t clash with Liverpool.

I can’t remember the last full game of football I watched on the tv that didn’t involve Liverpool in. I think it was the Euro final of England Italy.

Going to watch games in the flesh brings a different feeling and is far more enjoyable in my eyes. Regardless of the standard and let’s be honest these grass roots amateur clubs need the support far more than the super Rich clubs.

13.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 08:32:32
yeah last few years football for me has become less fun agree with you there ed025, for me the quality of the game is high its the fans so twisted and troll like the comment section on every Liverpool or any other teams socials or anyone talking about a football club is so repulsive and off putting, same as on here the negativity is mental

I ended up moving to Milton Keynes for work and decided to just attend MK Dons games (synthetic club) but its more enjoyable there's a big push on family sections and its just nice to see people enjoying themselves with out abusing each other or other fans, same as I've been to a couple Northampton Saints rugby games and that is worlds apart from football in regards to fans mixing and enjoying themselves.

{Ed025's Note - I have been to couple of StHelens and Wigan Rugby league games and the atmosphere is totally different Kloppers. The people are actually nice to each other and mix in. Different world in football I’m afraid these days mate..

14.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 10:27:03
I think people need to get back to going to watch football games live.

And that’s not me on about Liverpool I mean all games of football be it if you’re lucky enough to get tickets or if it’s the lowest level of grass roots football.

Over the last few years I’ve spent far more time trying to get to lower league games if opportunity presents and watching my local amateur team every week they don’t clash with Liverpool.

I can’t remember the last full game of football I watched on the tv that didn’t involve Liverpool in. I think it was the Euro final of England Italy.

Going to watch games in the flesh brings a different feeling and is far more enjoyable in my eyes. Regardless of the standard and let’s be honest these grass roots amateur clubs need the support far more than the super Rich clubs.

15.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 11:02:50
The way I see it, we are coming out of a C.V. impacted world that has made things more expensive, seemingly more separated as people etc

And so the joys of life, like football, feel less so when the world around feels a bit dark.

For me, I just enjoy the journey of the club. I think that’s why I’m less triggered by everything that goes on be it good or bad. Loved the time when we’re building with Klopp that first year and a half. So when we did enjoy the fruits it made following the labour feel more valuable.

16.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 12:35:20
Personally a lot for me changed during Corona C.V..

Money was already everywhere and influencing the winners/ losers, but then we had the debacle of rich clubs (including ours) trying to furlough staff in one hand and then buy players with another.

It just exposed the greed in the game, and now with the money across clubs it's essentially who can spend the most as well as any drama the media can spin.

I still watch Liverpool and want us to win of course, but it's not quite the same as 15-20 years ago when there was more excitement and less contentious topics.

Thinking about it maybe it's not just the money, but also the increased added complications around tactics, rule changes, coming away from a contact sport and these super light balls (in my day if you headed the ball in rainy weather it would take your head off) - although I appreciate there is an injury concern with the old balls.

Anyway yeah feels a lot more complicated these days and miles away from my jumpers for goalposts days - I see more kids shouting about football now and doing tricks on Tik Tok than just being out there kicking a ball about.

17.) 16 Aug 2023
16 Aug 2023 16:10:49
Good posts there fellas, it seems a lot of is agree. It's a real shame to see.