08 Jan 2016 02:34:02
To add to the debate about who is to blame for all the hamstrings. All I can say as someone with elite sports science knowlege (I was drafted into the AFL but never made it) A lot of the blame has to go to the fitness coach. Its up to them to tell the manager when players are in the RED zone and need resting. The manager will want to field the best team he has to win. Its then up to both the player to be honest, and the fitness staff to be able to say "you can't play this player because reasons A, B and C.
Does klopp have his own fitness people at the club? if so then it is unfortunately Klopps fault. I don't expect this to happen again under Klopp though.

{Ed001's Note - oh no not this red zone crap. It is the red zone crap that is as much part of the problem as anything. That is exactly what went wrong, and constantly goes wrong around the league, and causes the mass of injuries players have these days. They stop training because they are tired, is the basic thinking. It is crap. The only reason players used to be able to play so hard in the past, and they may not have played at the speed of new players but they went through a lot more punishment, is because they trained harder. If you do not push your body beyond its limits, then it is not improving. They are being mollycoddled ridiculously and then people are wondering why they are always injured!}

1.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 05:58:32
Ed001, Does Pochettino push players beyond their limits? Just asking as we are trying to add their style of pressing into our game, and it seems to work for Spurs this season. I do agree though, not training is silly if players need more strength in their legs.

{Ed001's Note - they do extra training sessions over other clubs, so he must do.}

2.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 06:44:15
Fully agree with Ed. These are young, tough, athletes who should be able to push the boundaries of their physical capabilities. Building up their endurance, power and fitness is vital to maintain a high level. Unfortunately, it's also survival of the fittest - if you have a weakness or are injury-prone your heights and length of your career may be reduced.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't recall players in the 70s and 80s being continually out for 6-12 months with tears and strains in the same way that Sturridge or Kewell have (more broken bones then maybe)? And, in the modern game, a player such as Suarez who hardly ever misses a game through injury is a rarity.

{Ed001's Note - they trained harder then, players like Suarez still do.}

3.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 07:17:07
I think too much is being made of this "injury crisis" and it's timing.
This is not an uncommon phenomenon in football and it's not even uncommon at our club. I remember a similar "injury crisis" when Souness came in and for a while the press blamed him too.
Arsenal and Wenger are huge proponents of this "red zone" theory. I have 2 names for them to consider - Jack Wilshere and Theo Walcott.
This fixture pile up is also nothing new. The players should be fit enough to cope. If they are not, the responsibility is a joint one - the players themselves and the previous regime.

I'm not one for blaming everything on the previous regime but facts are facts. Almost every year our players have been spent by April. If Kloppo is addressing that then I'll take some short term injuries in the squad. It gives him chance to evaluate some loanees and fringe players.

4.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 07:38:58
As a former Royal marine I have some experience with the training methods to hat ed001 is referring too, if you stop you fail whilst training and your body is constantly pushed through it limits to reach peaks that you wouldn't think possible. as he states nobody would ever get to these peaks is you stop when your tired.

{Ed001's Note - exactly, it is the same with endurance athletes, they go beyond the red zone in every training session. They have to.}

5.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 09:19:02
Jack wilshere and theo's injuries have nothing to do with the red zone.

Wilshere has weak ankles and other reasons why he misses matches through ''injury''

Walcott as with daniel sturridge will have injury problems due to the fast twitch msucles.

With regards to what Aussie Mark says. Australia for me is pretty much at the forefront of any ACL and Hamstring injuries, it's a very common occurrence in their national sport owing to the way they kick the ball and need to explode into the air. The players do a lot of work around strengthening the hamstring in the off season which I don't think the LFC players will have done, and also the warm ups are a lot more thorough than anything I've ever seen int he Premier league.

I don't personally think, you can really compare endurance sports with contact sports. the requirement strains on muscles is vastly different, you don't over stretch trying to win a tackle, you don't have to change direction or pace constantly, etc the variables are completely different.

6.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 09:38:24
Clyne, Moreno, Can and lallana have played nearly every game under Klopp and haven't been injured, so if it was totally down to overload surely they would be the first one's to get injured.

Players used to love Pre-Season under Rodger's because he didn't push them that hard and just got them to kick a ball around. This is one of the reasons we have suffered so badly with injuries because the players aren't in good enough condition to cope with the increase in intensity.

I will be very surprised if they don't get beasted in pre season next year and we should hopefully see a lot less injuries.

7.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 10:31:20
I like walls assertion about Clyne and co, so the question is what have these guys done right that the others with hamstring injuries are not doing?
To buy or not to buy, that is the question
Even if Ings and sturridge return imo, we still need a hustler of an attacker someone in the mold of Suarez, even if he is a winger/ 10 like Shaqiri. This would add more pace to the team and bring more goal threats.
Right now it is sad to watch others trying to pick out Benteke and he knocking the ball down only for the ball to be recovered by the opposition.
As someone once said, loosing is bad enough, but the way you lose also leaves a lot to be desired.

8.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 11:48:34
xpertoyin, Ings is good at pressing and pressuring the opposition's defenders as witnessed by his performances when he was fit. The team was just not pressing as a unit so we weren't reaping the benefits.

I do not think we need a striker unless we sell Benteke, Yesil, Dunn and let Sinclair go, even then probably a youngster with potential a couple of years away from being ready to step-up. Two first team strikers (Sturridge and Ings) and a back-up one (Origi) still learning his trade should be enough to keep them all happy with playing opportunities.

As for rest of the attacking positions we should probably wait for the end-of-season evaluation of the performances of Firmino, Ibe, Kent, Wilson, Ojo, Teixeira, Brannagan and what happens with Couts, Lallana, Markovic and Milner. I've probably forgot someone as well.

9.) 08 Jan 2016
08 Jan 2016 09:58:50
Its also down to an own persons body. For example I need to rest after games or I am at risk of injury, due to my running style (not the smoothest - I put a lot of pressure on my knees and hips) . Daniel sturridge needs extra rest due to the amount of strain his muscles go through in a match.

You have to addapt training for individuals you can't just say because x player/ person managed this you cab or we would all have the same capabilities and life would be good for people who can't do the stuff done other people can.

I said at the start my worry with klopp was coming in with a caveman mentality that everyone has to pull there wieght and pushing everyone the sane, simple because not everyone can do the same.

It isn't a coinicidencr that wr are suffering as bad with injuries as Dortmund were last year.

Someone like lovren might be able to get the same amount of fitness running 5 miles as skrtel might have running 10.

This will hopefully of been a learning curve for klopp and he might adapt his training now or he will stick the same and just play the players who can handle it.