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25 Apr 2023 11:14:01
Hi Ed002, hope you're well!

The Daily Mirror reporting that we have 'agreed terms' with Gravenberch. Is this just more lazy journalism form a paper that is becoming a bit of a joke? Or have we made contact?

Cheers as usual for all the hard work and invaluable info.

Shabby Paulonso

{Ed002's Note - Ryan Gravenberch (CM/DM/AM) Versatile midfield player who only joined Bayern Munich last summer and won't be for sale. I am not aware of any approach by Liverpool to Bayern Munich and Team Mino are certainly not offering him around, but they have had enquiries from a number of clubs. The player has made it clear he would like his next move to be to Manchester United. If Liverpool has gone directly to the player again they may want to start fearing the worst.}


1.) 25 Apr 2023 11:54:51
Perhaps the Daily Mirror is wide of the mark it has been known.

It seems a bit more plausible than Liverpool breaking any rules …. I can remember them being fined in 2017 for tapping up a youngster. I think they were fined and were suspended from bringing in academy players for a season but other than that, unless I’ve missed something?

{Ed002's Note - You have missed a lot.}


2.) 25 Apr 2023 12:37:48
WDW I wouldn’t ask, we’ve been one of the worst in recent times with illegal approaches, we need to reset out professionalism with other clubs and approaching players.


3.) 25 Apr 2023 12:38:14
Jesus,100's of stories in tabloids linking the big clubs in England to players there will be this summer. There'll be a lot of clubs fearing the worst i suppose.


4.) 25 Apr 2023 12:47:49
If the lad wants United then he's obviously not got a clue lol. let's not get onto tapping up again. very boring.


5.) 25 Apr 2023 20:17:42
To be fair Martinez and Antony both were Ajax same as Ten Hag was so it’s perfectly feasible that Gravenberch would want United, not to mention his wages would be better at United. Us having this season is going to raise flags with people so it’s not beyond belief is it. Although I for one would think he’d be an idiot to choose United over us, if we haven’t even approached Bayern then he ain't made a choice at all.


6.) 25 Apr 2023 20:21:27
It’s one thing to insinuate wrong doing but to be honest I don’t see any sanctions being imposed on the club and I don’t see any evidence of investigations (on-going or pending) against the club, by the FA or any other relevant bodies. Can someone please correct me if I have this wrong?


7.) 26 Apr 2023 07:54:15
To be honest i used to get annoyed at us for the tapping up but i couldn't care less now.

Man City completely disregarded FFP for over a decade. Chelsea are exploiting FFP loopholes with 9 year contracts and did it for years before that with about 30 players out on loan. Man United bullied the PGMOL for years and their main cheerleader (Webb) has just been given the reigns. Arsenal roll around on the floor faking head injuries. Spurs are the worst divers in the league (Bale, Alli, Kane) and previous coaches have admitted they train on diving.

If they're all going to show contempt for the rules then I honestly don't care about us being squeaky clean anymore. Sad as it is, the sports just dirty now and if tapping players up is what we need to do to compete with cheats then crack on. I'm that disenfranchised with the sport right now that integrity is out the window. The games gone to the dogs.


 

 

30 Dec 2022 08:20:27
Lots of talk on twitter saying CFC have activated Enzo's release clause.

Would be disappointing, but would take them out of the race for Caicedo if its true.

Shabby Paulonso

1.) 30 Dec 2022 08:34:01
Enzo is obviously a very talented player however the release clause is crazy for a player that’s played in Europe for less than a season.

Equally the price being quoted for caicedo is way too much for his experience at this level.


2.) 30 Dec 2022 09:13:56
It’s not easy to play in our midfield you have to be very disciplined, strong on the ball and tactically aware. Many have tried and failed. Some are still failing as we speak.
To spend that much on an Argentinian kid would be a huge risk.


3.) 30 Dec 2022 09:16:42
How players adapt to the EPL has a value, as we have seen through Naby and his travails.
Moises already seems to be more consistent and suited to the hustle and bustle of this league than Naby ever has been.
With that in mind, Moises is the safer bet, at this time, then Enzo, who has no experience of this league and the culture of this country, which is at odd's with the culture in Argentina. I've lived in Argentina, and i can tell you it is a far cry from L4.


4.) 30 Dec 2022 09:36:47
Never underestimate how important a Gini type of player is especially when fighting for titles. Cooling a game down in big moments and press resistance are part of what's won us major titles. Gini was immense at times, and Moises can bring some more of that energy.
Does one get the level of hunger found in players like Diaz, Moises, Nunez and Cody from already established 'big' names? Comfort and big contracts can soften players (like Naby) . i think the club has learnt important lesson's from the Naby affair.


5.) 30 Dec 2022 10:17:39
I really like Caicedo and feel his energy and ball winning aggression is perfect for us. And at just turned 21 with some Premier league experience in which he's been fantastic, I think he's a great buy if the club get him. Enzo looks very talented but at nearly double the price of Caicedo with zero Premier league experience no thanks. Gakpo&Caicedo for around the price of Enzo is a no brainer!


6.) 30 Dec 2022 10:17:43
I think Enzo would fit in seamlessly into the prem. It'd obviously be helped by the team and I really think he'd be a better fit in our system than Chelsea's. he has all the qualities to fit in alongisde Fabinho and any of Thiago, Hendo, Elliot. He has the engine, technique, passing range, attacking skills. He'd be fantastic in our midfield but doesn't seem possible for us.


7.) 30 Dec 2022 10:22:16
We’re putting all our eggs in the Bellingham basket. We needed a midfielder 18 months ago. When Tchouameni went to Madrid we sat and sulked about it for months before getting Arthur on deadline day. As much as I want to be biased why would Bellingham pick us over Madrid? Enzo could have been our VVD or Alisson in midfield that good already and only going to get better.

{Ed002's Note - Liverpool never made an offer for Tchouameni and never spoke to Monaco about him.}


8.) 30 Dec 2022 10:58:10
Read that Benfica are resolved to losing Fernandez and are looking at Argentinian Velez Sarsfield as a replacement. Maybe we should look sign Sarsfield instead.

{Ed002's Note - I understand Klopp is very keen on Velez Sarsfield (CM/AM) himself.}


9.) 30 Dec 2022 11:03:50
Wait i thought Velez sarsfield was a club?

{Ed002's Note - Crikey - don't tell Klopp that.}


10.) 30 Dec 2022 11:06:54
Sorry
Maximo Perrone who plays for Velez Sarsfield.

{Ed002's Note - He is not Benfica's first choice but an option as a DM player. Maybe Klopp could look to replacing Fabinho with him and dismiss all other midfield targets.}


11.) 30 Dec 2022 12:04:42
I think Caicedo is the kind of midfielder we need, he’s got the energy, application and hard worth ethic we’ve missed. If our January consisted of Gakpo and Caicedo then that would be an excellent window and would give us a good platform to work from for the remainder of the season and give us a chance to remain in the champions league.


12.) 30 Dec 2022 11:55:34
Do Liverpool go big for Fernandez in January or bring in a less expensive midfielder (assuming we are looking) and wait for Jude in the summer. But if Jude then picks Madrid, Man City or another club in the summer we have shot ourselves in the foot.

{Ed002's Note - I would forget Fernandez but Liverpool will look to add a midfield player, perhaps Sofyan Amrabat or one of the others being looked at. Bellingham obviously remains a target but as I have previously explained the cost will be huge if he is made available for sale.}


13.) 30 Dec 2022 11:58:48
Hi Liverbird031 and Ed002
Which is why I am not an LFC scout. Misread the article. That being said Velez Sarsfield does sound like a South American footballer.


14.) 30 Dec 2022 12:32:56
Hi Ed
Not trying to get to deep with the financials as I know this can be a minefield. But if say Jude signed for £100m for 5 years. Is it possible the fee could be payed over the length of the contract or would this be highly unlikely. Assuming Jude continues at a very high level Liverpool would have then have a very valuable asset.

{Ed002's Note - No, that is not going to happen. Dortmund may accept the fee being spread out but not that much - and the two clubs who have approached Dortmund already have been to their preference is to have him sign an extension to his contract - and if he were to sold the cost is going to be huge.}


15.) 30 Dec 2022 12:53:16
Thanks for the reply Ed002.
As always the go to site for information. Long may you continue.

{Ed002's Note - Thanks.}


16.) 30 Dec 2022 13:22:44
Ed002 - Who are the tow clubs that have approached Dortmund?

On another note, where will you be celebrating the New Year?

Cheers
Drogie.

{Ed002's Note - Real Madrid and Chelsea. I will be celebrating New Year in Cornwall with friends.}


17.) 30 Dec 2022 14:24:48
I guess it will come down to where Bellingham wants to go and that will be the deciding factor. We know the purchase price will be big ed but do you mean huge factoring in wages etc? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - If he were to be put up for sale and offers were accepted by Dortmund, then the player will have options. The trasnfer fee will be huge.}


18.) 30 Dec 2022 15:30:06
I can’t get my head around the interest in Amrabat. He’s had four good weeks in his whole career and has been ordinary (at best) for the rest of it. Why sign a slower, less mobile, less capable version of Fabinho, when we have actual Fabinho already? Spend the money on Caicedo as he’s got far more potential and is a known quantity in the prem, we’re not in the so called race for Fernandez (regardless of the pre contract agreement lmfao), it’s plain to see that our midfield needs some energy, pace and more defensive nous.


19.) 30 Dec 2022 15:17:03
I do like the southwest of England ed002…

Could Chelsea afford both Enzo and Bellingham? How would this impact FFP? With the salary and all the add ons, the numbers would get massive.

{Ed002's Note - Chelsea could afford both and they do not have a FFP issue and salaries are not an issue with departures and younger players beginning to replace more established players.}


 

 

 

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13 Aug 2022 04:25:09
Saturday was an away game against a newly promoted side, and an early kick off.

In other words, Banana skin x Banana Skin x Banana Skin.

I've seen so much negativity on social media and on here, and I just want to remind fans we were fifteen minutes away from a domestic treble, and a MOTM performance away from the CL.

Can we please keep things in perspective instead of obsessing over new signing who wouldn't necessarily improve the team? Shanks used to say: 'Same as last year. '

Maybe if there was twitter then he would have been sacked after a few months.

Shabby Paulonso

1.) 13 Aug 2022 05:15:42
1. Half our games are away games. This is something we have to get over.
2. Newly promoted sides should be more than simple enough for a team of our calibre.
3. I'm pretty sure Fulham had to get up at the same time as us. 12.30 games are only a problem when there have been midweek Champions League games before them, of which there were none.

It was through drawing games like this like Brentford and Leeds that we DIDN'T win the League last year. It is especially frustrating when it is abuntantly clear we need a new midfielder. We have known this for some time now.


2.) 13 Aug 2022 06:30:49
No team we play is ‘simple enough’. It is that condescending attitude to the opposition that has social media screaming hysterically when things don’t go according to their simplistic view of the world.


3.) 13 Aug 2022 06:58:35
Hopefully the league will stop giving us away games and 1230 kicks offs.

With this hose pipe ban I’m also concerned about dry pitches so I’m going to start taking water balloons to games to slicken that surface up.

Ps does anyone have a wind protector the club can borrow.

On a serious note though we drew, Klopps not happy, some fans are not happy, some fans are happy. It is what it is.

We move on and it’s Palace next where 3 points are a must and I’m sure a far better performance will be witnessed.


4.) 13 Aug 2022 07:24:45
In my opinion teams at the bottom of the League should be bread and butter for title-chasing teams WDW. When the games are coming thick and fast playing twice a week, you need to be able to go through the motions and win these games.


5.) 13 Aug 2022 08:23:07
Babbity Rabbity, you say drawing games against brentford and LEEDS was why we lost the league last year.

We beat Leeds away 3-0, and beat Leeds at home 6-0.Both games were in fact rich pickings.


6.) 13 Aug 2022 08:25:32
Babbity Rabbity, we didn't win the leauge last year because for the second year in a row we didn't beat City in the league. We take 4 points off City this season we will win the league. You can draw games and still do that. Unless you are drawing against the team finishing 1 point ahead of you.


7.) 13 Aug 2022 08:28:30
Of course you should treat every team with respect but if you have any aim on winning the PL then we should be winning those games home and away. We can look at many reasons for not winning, ie 12.30 kick offs but if we are honest with ourselves they are nothing more than excuses. The dry pitch was a new one and I expect it to be used more frequently during the season ?.


8.) 13 Aug 2022 09:24:25
Kimuraking or you could win the games you should win so you can afford to draw against the better teams. For me, dropping points against City is excusable. Dropping points against teams at the bottom is not.


9.) 13 Aug 2022 09:41:32
We didn’t beat Fulham because we were rubbish to put it politely. Everything else is excuses, we have no right to win these matches we have to earn the right. Hopefully that sham of a performance is a one off. We go again and hopefully with the players having been given the rollicking they deserved they will remember to turn up on Monday.


10.) 13 Aug 2022 09:52:24
@Babbity, have you not been reading this site recently? There has been a fair deal of criticism about the quality of the team, in particular the midfield and Bobby F. There are a fair of people on here who would dispute your assessment of our quality.

To be fair I agree with you that we should have enough about us so that, all things being equal, we should win an awful lot more than we lose and as I said in a different thread we have played 20 PL games in 2022 and have a record of won 16: drawn 4 and lost 0.

The point I was trying to make is that in about 95% of cases any of the top teams including us and City have to be on their game to win. We were poor against Fulham, not on our game, and were lucky to get a point. The dismissing of the bottom half of the table as ‘simple enough’ to beat just isn’t true, as the evidence of recent seasons proves and not only for us, if we play to our potential more often than not we should win but we are setting ourselves up if we think we will win just by turning up.


11.) 13 Aug 2022 10:09:26
100% agree with those who say we need a new midfielder this summer. Bobby isn't worth the £180k a week he is on but we can leave it until his contract is up next summer to replace him in my opinion. If we want to win the League we have to get to the level where we win these games even on our worst day.


12.) 13 Aug 2022 10:40:48
The season we won the league we didn’t win every game playing well. Great teams win games when not playing well which we are.

I’d find it hard to imagine a team has ever gone a full season at the top of their game 95% of it.

WDW you seem more upset about the fact Bobby is getting criticised over the Fulham defeat. Perhaps if we say Bobby played well and should start ahead of Nunez this season but the rest were poor against Fulham it will sit better ?.


13.) 13 Aug 2022 10:45:56
Folks are losing touch with reality if they think we should automatically rock up and wipe the floor with any team deemed to be "below us".
One week after the heinous crime of drawing a football match and still folks are crying because our season is over already.
21st century football fans.


14.) 13 Aug 2022 11:29:00
Problem is City rock up and wipe the floor with any team most of the time and can win playing below par whereas we need to be fully on it to win games given we don’t have the quality they have / play the same way they do. So when the comments are made re midfield, Bobby etc and slow starts, it’s because we can’t drop many points and need to improve to beat City. If City weren’t around a draw at Fulham would be ok.


15.) 13 Aug 2022 12:23:25
Perhaps 21st century fans should support someone else ?.


16.) 13 Aug 2022 12:27:17
Spot on, Flash. Like I have always asked, how have these people survived through out those lean years when we won ONLY 1 League Cup in heaven knows how long. I bet you had these “fans” been present at Istanbul, they prolly would have left the stadium at half time and hung the team out to dry when the team really needed them. Sad.


17.) 13 Aug 2022 12:28:47
@Waemachine we haven’t lost in the PL this year which is a better record than City. We seem to ‘rock up’ often enough.

The person who decides what players we need said that we were basically done in the transfer market. he was still saying yesterday that we would only move for someone if the right player was available and that he is happy enough that even with the players out injured we still have enough competition for places in the midfield. Roll back 12 months and there was a daily session on why we should
buy Bissouma. We didn’t and we managed to go ok without him. This year it’s not Bissouma, it’s just random names that pop up on social media. I’m sure it’ll carry on for the next two weeks. I just find the conversation either funny or sad based on how desperate the poster who starts the conversation is for us to sign somebody, anybody so long as we spend big money.


18.) 13 Aug 2022 12:46:21
Ultimately City would have pumped Fulham for four or five and Fulham wouldn’t have laid a glove on them, I don’t see City dropping many points this season. You simply cannot afford any slips like this if you want to beat city to the league. Play like that against Palace and get anything less than a win then we are playing for second place that’s just an uncomfortable truth.


19.) 13 Aug 2022 12:57:47
Genuine question as I cannot remember but maybe someone will.

Rewinding back What was Klopp saying throughout Jan 22 and Jan 21 before the club buying Diaz and panic buying Davies and loaning Kabak.

Was it similar to what he is saying now or was it something different?

Because when we went in for Diaz it caught everyone off guard here as it literally came from nowhere.

It’ll be nice when the window does close mind. I have to admit. Not that I’m tired of transfer talk I’m more tired about people moaning about people moaning.


20.) 13 Aug 2022 13:27:16
Of course you can win the league by dropping points, the league won’t be won with 100 points. I reckon 94 points should do it this season, so you can afford to drop 20 points.


21.) 13 Aug 2022 13:28:58
Loving the strawmans you have for anyone who is critical guys. Been a LFC fan for 20 years now. Been through the Hicks and Gillett days so know what it's when we're out of the picture. That's why I want us to capitalise when we can compete, especially when we are so close to reaching that level. I know full well this won't last forever. We've only prevented City from winning the League once in the last 5 years so there is definitely room for improvement. The whole "I'm a top red but you're a recent glory hunter" is so old.


22.) 13 Aug 2022 13:34:22
Love it when posters highlight fans as "fans". It's as if they're putting themselves in the higher echelons on the fan league ?.
Like I said plenty of takers for the #Superfanoftheyear award. Get your names in early.


23.) 13 Aug 2022 13:37:11
Glad I’m not the only one who thinks it it utterly ridiculous that we’ve not bought a midfielder. Back ups to our first choice are not good enough or aged. There’s no one in that 23-27 age group. Really poor planning it has to be said. Ox has been a total disaster, Keita really poor much of the time. I do have concerns about this season.


24.) 13 Aug 2022 14:14:47
Ox was one of the first names on the team sheet before that horrible knee injury in 2018. He has not been the same since, to say he was a total disaster is wholey unfair and inaccurate .


25.) 13 Aug 2022 14:24:49
I would guess all in all we've had 1 good season out of Ox in his years at Liverpool. Not disastrous but it ain't great either. Shame for him tho, he is actually the type of midfielder we need, he was great when fit and in form.


26.) 13 Aug 2022 16:07:58
Irish it would be like the Balon D’or for super fans. I bet Each nominee would write a cracking self appraisal thank you speech about them self as well.

Would be something for us regular supporters to aim for in regards to bettering ourselves in the future.


27.) 13 Aug 2022 16:13:50
Someone may tell the big German fella what we need. Rightly or wrongly he's of the opinion he can deal with it using what's available to him. Time will tell who is right won't it?


28.) 13 Aug 2022 16:15:52
It’s all well and good saying “same as last year”. If that’s the case we’re finishing second again.


29.) 13 Aug 2022 16:39:13
Oh mane mane but if the club doesn’t sign anyone it doesn’t necessarily mean that Klopp doesn’t want them too.

Lots of factors. Perhaps his budget is done on the Nunez and Salah deals.

In January this same conversation was happening where Klopp didn’t want anyone and then Diaz turned up because our hand was forced. If Spurs hadn’t have bid then we wouldn’t have. Clearly Klopp wanted him and he came early which was a great result in the end but it was outside circumstances that started it. It’s not like Diaz was forced on Klopp.

It’s been said many a time the club live hand to mouth and Mane and others left to allow funds for Nunez to come in. Midfielders will leave at the end of this season and I very much expect them to be replaced next summer and not this one.

But out of 2 of our last 3 windows we’ve done business at the last minute which is very much unlike us (appreciate both we’re Januarys mind)

I wonder if the fans who say other supporters should support other clubs because the club don’t do as they want followed their own advice in Jan when they told everyone we didn’t need a shiny new toy and then Diaz turned up.

Practice what you preach and all that.


30.) 13 Aug 2022 17:09:27
The only one of our midfielders who will leave at the end of this season is Ox, there’s no way that he will be replaced as he barely plays and his wage going will be treated as a saving. Keita is going to renew (apparently true and completely against all logic) and I can see the club getting one more season out of Milner. So I don’t see that there will be any incomings midfield wise next summer as the same apparent argument used this summer will be applied next summer (ie that we have “plenty of options”) . I also think those supporters who are deluding themselves that Bellingham is going to sign next year are in for a massively disappointing time next summer, the kid has already planned his future and it doesn’t involve us.


31.) 13 Aug 2022 18:32:18
Well then JK23 he needs to come out and say that. Stop being puppet for the owners. Majority of fans will back him over FSG if it came to it.


32.) 13 Aug 2022 18:41:10
Oh mane mane I agree mate. But I only say it as surely every manger out there would like better players coming into the squad if the opportunity arose. I love this club and love the squad and yes 8 midfielders does sound a lot but the truth is imagine Klopp picking Naby and Ox to start an important must win game plus every single one of them have had recent injury worries.

Fans have a Dickie fit is Naby starts let alone him and Ox.


33.) 13 Aug 2022 20:53:42
Ox had one partly decent season and dire after that.


34.) 14 Aug 2022 14:11:24
People often have a revisionist view of Ox's first season. The reality is he wasn't great for the first few months and then he started to do well playing in midfield as we often had the midfield 3 on rotation in those days. I would say we got about 4 months of decent football out of him before his injury.


 

 

 

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15 Jul 2023 16:48:47
Ed002, I was on Twitter the other day, and a Chelsea fan told me that most Chelsea fans have been abusing Azpilicueta since he joined. He said he was embarrassed beyond belief by it. Now Azpi is leaving as a hero who has won everything. Arsenal and Newcastle fans are awful for regularly booing their own. Personally I can't stand fans complaining about their own players, and the hatred against Henderson has been astonishing throughout his entire spell with us.

I love your info and your banter, but I'm just passing on that whilst some of the Liverpool fanbase is toxic, I don't think they're worse than anyone else - including your very own Chelsea.

I doubt that will convince you but worth pointing out.

Otherwise thanks for all the hard work, and I hope your summer is going well.

Shabby Paulonso

{Ed002's Note - CA was never abused. Trying to distract really does make you and others an absolute embarrassment.}


 

 

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14 Jul 2023 16:46:37
I really hope this is true. Him and Lavia would be the perfect replacements for Fab and Hendo. I'd prefer him to Llorente.

As a CB, I think we'll all be disappointed if it's Schuurs. Someone like Colwill or Inacio and I think we'd be a title-winning side in the making. But I think those two are just impossible now.

But our midfield is well and truly on the way to being re-vamped and frightening.

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13 Jul 2023 16:29:12
Ed002, just want to say thanks for the great and extremely up-to-date info today! It's all gone a bit mental, eh?

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12 Jul 2023 13:35:51
I'd much rather sell Fab or Thiago due to Hendo's leadership, but also his homegrown status. I think we have filled our 17 allocations for foreign players, so we need to move some of them on to bring in new signings.

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04 Jul 2023 13:55:22
We need Hendo for the HG quota if nothing else.

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