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30 Jun 2019 08:14:14
So Salah to Madrid for 100m + Asensio, and then spend the money on Pepe. New look Fab 4 ????

Oh my Fowler, I love silly season!

Plain Bread

1.) 30 Jun 2019 09:16:09
I think youre right - it is silly season!

Some papers are reporting the Asensio-Man swap, but if we had to let one of our front three go, I would rather Salah be replaced than Man. If Im honest, in my opinion, Man is irreplaceable. His work rate and unselfish harrying of opposition defenders and midfielders is as good as Firminos and only Bernardo Silva at City is in the same bracket. Only my opinion!

I also wouldnt take asensio, but Klopp has polished a few rough diamonds, so all faith in the manager!


2.) 30 Jun 2019 09:23:54
Do you mean Mane?


3.) 30 Jun 2019 10:32:16
It's Man they're writing about this time.


4.) 30 Jun 2019 09:34:44
Honestly dont get the hype with Asensio, I cant recall one game Ive ever seen him in where hes been a stand out performer. A very mediocre footballer if you ask me. 100m plus Asensio is about 100000001.00 in real terms. As for Pepe, hes had one good season in his career and for the most part looks like his legs and brains dont interact together.


5.) 30 Jun 2019 12:04:57
I hope we don't sell any of the front 3. They are all too good to be replaced. I hope we keep them all until they are 29-30 years at least.


6.) 30 Jun 2019 17:25:01
Everyone always the NEXT thing.

Asensio and Pepe arent a patch on Mo Salah.

We need to consolidate the squad, not weaken it.


7.) 01 Jul 2019 11:48:11
I think you guys are right. It probably is Mane. I didn't actually open the link. Just saw "Real Madrid to offer Asensio to Liverpool in swap deal - Liverpool fans won't be happy about this".

Need more enticing bait than that for me to click!


 

 

06 Jun 2019 11:08:05
This is literally a rumour. I'm just passing on so please don't shoot me!

Apparently Liverpool are very close to matching the asking price for Nicolas Pepe.

Probably total BS.

Plain Bread

1.) 06 Jun 2019 11:36:11
He looks a player but I do only see this happening if the club see Salah moving on sometime soon. Personally think it is nothing, more likely we will go after someone like Maxwel Cornet who's been mentioned by the eds. Time will tell, think we need a few more outs from squad / loan returns before we see ins start coming in.


2.) 06 Jun 2019 11:36:40
It has come from L'Equipe who my understanding is pretty reliable when it comes to news from France.

If he does sign i do find it hard to see where he will fit in the system tho.

80m euros for a bench player can not see us spending that unless someone is leaving or we change the system completely.


3.) 06 Jun 2019 11:38:11
Nah, no way mate. Ed’s has already said we are not looking to spend vast sums of money on any players who are deemed as back up. Front 3 pick themselves with Origi Brewster Shaqiri and Ox as back up.


4.) 06 Jun 2019 12:28:38
L'equipe not all that reliable.


5.) 06 Jun 2019 12:41:14
Yeah why would Liverpool target people who aren't good enough for the first team eh? if this season has proved anything its that the bench needs to be strong, so Salah having to leave or we will only buy if one of the front are leaving is bs, we need a squad capable of competing not just a team.


6.) 06 Jun 2019 12:43:57
my be he is seen as matching the front 3 we have and it is more off a rotation. with the others seen as back up, am sure with the league, champions league and the other cups there is enough games for all 4 to play. would only mean they would all not start about 9 league games each a season. And just because there not starting them games does not mean they won't play.


7.) 06 Jun 2019 13:01:10
It’s not bs Lancaster Red it’s reality mate and exactly were we are at. We won’t and can’t spend crazy money every window without players leaving.


8.) 06 Jun 2019 13:03:36
Man we won't sign any rotation or back up player for 80.000.000 €!


9.) 06 Jun 2019 13:14:50
The Firm on Twitter, yes THAT guy, is claiming we have made an offer of £68m.

Waiting on an Ed002 come back containing the words 'Bolton, 'kid', 'no contact'and 'fat'.

{Ed002's Note - Did the Fat Kid from Bolton tell you in which order De Ligt, Werner, Pepe, Dybala, Lemar and most of the Lyon team will be arriving this summer?}


10.) 06 Jun 2019 13:23:39
Nicolas Pepe is a quality attacking player, to challenge for top honours the club needs like for like replacements, this is why Man City are the best in the country, Sterling can be replaced by Sanè, Silva with Mahrez. Shaqiri and Origi are decent backup players but not top end, would we challenge for the Premier League if Manè or Salah were injured for 6 months?

{Ed002's Note - So Pepe will be signed to cover for Salah or Mane being injured for 6 months? Sane, Mahrez and others are looking to leave Manchester City for lack of game time.}


11.) 06 Jun 2019 13:27:35
The 80M price tag is eye popping, but I don't buy into all this stuff about the team not wanting to spend a little this summer.

Klopp wants to deploy a 4-2-3-1 long-term. It's how we were lining up quite a bit this past season but seemed to have and pulled off of that because we lacked depth off the bench in a lot of key positions in that lineup. There absolutely is room for Pepe in the squad though if the plan is indeed to line up that way. Salah plays in front of Firmino, and Pepe plays outside. It feels like Shaq may move on too, and be replaced with someone that can be more reliable on the press that will provide cover on the wings off the bench.

{Ed002's Note - If Klopp wants a 4-2-3-1 he has been buying the wrong players.}


12.) 06 Jun 2019 13:38:44
Can we leave this thread as it is please. Pèpè is not happening. The Fat kid from Bolton who ever he is is obviously talking BS yet again.

Let’s move on.


13.) 06 Jun 2019 13:39:37
Ed002, you forgot the words 'no contact'.

I lose track but, I think, so far he had only confirmed Lemar, Werner and De Ligt signing, in that order.

We all know it is BS until confirmed on here.


14.) 06 Jun 2019 14:08:37
Ed002, I respectfully disagree with that. I can't really figure out what he wants to do with Keita, but besides that he's targeted highly adaptable players that have the versatility to play many different ways in different positions and different formations. I believe we lined up in the 4-2-3-1 like 10 times last year and never lost a game, which was easily our second most common formation. Shaqiri's struggles in the press along with our limited depth in the attacking positions were a major weakness though, and we had to go back to the 4-3-3 after the new year otherwise those weaknesses would have caught up with us.

It seems like it's Klopp's goal to deploy the 4-2-3-1 the majority of the time once we have the lineup for it.


15.) 06 Jun 2019 15:12:29
*nonsense FM bull and abuse deleted*

{Ed001's Note - all you have done is post personal attacks against editors on the site. You are no longer welcome, take your clueless Football Manager nonsense somewhere else.}


16.) 06 Jun 2019 15:25:31
To compete with city you need options in the squad that can offer genuine competition for places. City have this and is why not only can they compete in all competitions but when you're struggling to break a Leicester city or West Ham team down you can bring on real game changers. Seems you can't win there's too many games for players to stay fit and compete but buying quality to help with the work load and compete for a starting place must mean someone's moving on. Sturridge is gone Moreno gone but we already have a left back but that position is ok tohabe cover for? I'd prefer klopp to look at investing in youth as cover but if the club bought quality to push the club on it's the logical next step. Rotation is an important part of football these days. So if they sign Pepe I wouldn't be surprised because there's champions league premier league fa cup league cup world club cup super cup and charity shield games to compete in. Having options is a good thing.


17.) 06 Jun 2019 16:27:48
Yes but that is what has happened with our squad. Klopp has bought players and this has made the squad try harder. No-one saw Wijnaldum being an integral part of our season. Same with Matip and Origi.


18.) 06 Jun 2019 17:43:36
Ed’s - do you think it’s possible we may buy an attacker and play Firmino as attacking midfielder?

{Ed001's Note - why would we move our most important player from his best position?}


19.) 06 Jun 2019 17:50:33
Football manager is very outdated anyway. Most teams have one system for attacking, one for transition and one for defending so the tactical shape can change a lot in one match yet in that game you pick one formation and win everything hmm ok 👍.


20.) 06 Jun 2019 20:26:31
" Our most important player" no where near the top 5. I know you say these things for responses but that is insulting to much better players than Firmino. He has only had one good season at LFC and in his worst season we won the champions league and Firmino didn't play in the semi finals or the final.

Firmino has been a passenger all season.

{Ed001's Note - I am not going to waste my time on such a clueless post as yours. You really do make the most idiotic posts in your attempts to disagree with everything I say. Either that or you are absolutely clueless about the game because he is the key to our play according to people who actually matter, such as the coaching staff at the club. You really are just trolling with your posts and I can't be arsed with you any more. You have obviously had to move on from your constant denigration of Henderson to find a new target for you to be an arse to. Just do us all a favour and don't bother. Just like when you constantly slagged off the captain, it just shows how little understanding of the game you actually have.}


21.) 06 Jun 2019 20:38:00
I think we need more goals from midfield. Not necessarily another forward.


22.) 06 Jun 2019 22:05:49
Idiotic comment mark I guess you never read the analytical article about how our players are picked to compliment each other and that most of salahs goals etc are because he plays with Bobby. Do you think it would be the same if we had Kane? Not at all.


23.) 06 Jun 2019 22:55:16
so you think Firmino and Henderson had good seasons?

Firmino was poor

Henderson was ok and then brilliant for the last 10 games. Commentator said when Henderson scored v Southampton welcome to the Party pal.

You just have biased opinions on players you like. If you think Firmino was a key player this season you are totally biased and deluded. He didn't play in our most important games.

Van Dyke
Robbo
Allison
Gini
Trent
Mane
Salah

Even Matip (the player you make jokes about) had a better season than Firmino. You suggested Firmino be dropped earlier in the season.
All these players over the season were better than Firmino and Hendo but you don't give Robbo for example anywhere near as much credit yet he had a far better season.


24.) 06 Jun 2019 22:59:48
I agree with 80% of what you say but when you make stupid statements like Firmino is our most important player of course I disagree because it is complete and utter crap.

You just never like to be wrong but that statement is false. We won the CL without Firmino we would not have won the cl without

Van Dyke
Mane
or Allison.


25.) 06 Jun 2019 23:07:55
Lercy that is just rubbish. Salah got 25 goals for Roma the season before he came? Mane, Salh Kane would get 15 extra goals IMO. Only LFC fans think otherwise. If Mane or Salah went to Barcelona or Madrid both would get 30 goals.


26.) 06 Jun 2019 23:58:38
Markp, a couple of weeks ago you were saying klopp should be sacked.

You need to relearn the game of soccer. Somewhere along the line you got lost.

{Ed001's Note - he is just a troll and I wouldn't waste my time on his moronic slagfests of Liverpool players. His posts should be treated as those of a 5 year old who has never seen a game of football as that is his level of understanding of it. He has clearly never learnt it and all he does is troll my comments with stupidity.}


27.) 07 Jun 2019 00:01:37
Flidby wjnuldum has been underrated at Liverpool always been a quality player since he has arrived. He was quality at Newcastle and think he won the Johan cruyff award they have in the Dutch league as well. Like with Henderson managers ask players to do specific jobs on the pitch which often means them sacrificing attacking instinct. Fabinho coming in has really released these players to be able to perform a more attacking role. He is a bit of an unsung hero this year as VVD and Alison getting all the defensive plaudits (and rightly so) . Matip was quality when he joined (for free) he's a good player has his wobbles but he's not as prone to howlers as lovren is. Gomez was excellent with vvd and if he makes a mistake he has the pace to recover. Anyway point is no surprise they've done well. Origi is a shocker I didn't see that coming but he has put in some decent performances and got some crucial goals. Lad deserves chance to prove himself. But I still believe as a squad we are short up top.


28.) 07 Jun 2019 00:22:47
"we would not have won the cl without "

How can you forget Origi , he took us to the final and then won it for us .

Beside that, I agree with you, Firmino did n't have a good season, for whatever reason, but you can't deny when he is fit and well lake last year, he can be a very good player, creative and hard working . Last year he made most of the space that Salah used to score his 30+ goals.


29.) 07 Jun 2019 06:25:01
Just because Firmino didn't have the best season, doesn't mean he's not our most important player. The space he creates, the defending from the front, the interaction with Mane and Salah, the unpredictability of his passing and movement.
He didn't play in our biggest games but i would suggest we would have stuffed Spurs by a greater margin if we had a fully fit Bobby playing the full 90.


30.) 07 Jun 2019 07:21:53
Its better to get a replacement in before any player leaves, Andy Carroll would have cost a lot less before Torres deal happened and I am sure Ajax would have stung us another 10m for Suarez if Torres had handed his transfer request in at the start of the window. Apart from Bobby the other 2 can play any of the front 3 positions so having Pepe allows Bobby and other a rest should they need one.


31.) 07 Jun 2019 08:22:51
And dzeko was the striker mark. Another one who’d compliment Salahs style of play.


32.) 07 Jun 2019 07:40:33
Thats bit of a insult to a 5 year old ed001 lol, mark only seem to go by players who score goals, and not the whole team, if you watch bobby closely you will see how he pulls defenders out to open up space for salah and mane, he the most unselfish player there is, that's why he don't get the praise he should.


33.) 07 Jun 2019 11:04:06
I thought Lemar had signed on the 1st of July last summer 🤔.


34.) 07 Jun 2019 11:06:30
Sure I've seen the asking price for Pepe closer to 40 than 80? i don't get why people are scared of Liverpool have strength in depth and rotating the squad. Boggles my mind.


35.) 07 Jun 2019 12:35:18
Markp08
Do you ever imagine that Klopp asks players to play a specific way for the benefit of the team? Do you think that Henderson might just have been deployed as a defensive midfielder for most of his games under klopp but was then asked to get in the box towards the end of the season? Do you think that firmino is asked to do a job too? Also I like the idea that any player in a team that scored 97 points lost 1 game and won the champions league had a bad season.


36.) 07 Jun 2019 13:11:23
This is amazing, i've never seen anyone say Bobby has been rubbish. The guys play opens up so much space for the others to get forwards, the only striker who plays like him is the one at wolves, You lose Bobby you lose a very integral part of the team for the style of football we play.

Not sure if you watch any of the games on tv or have ever been to Anfield but the guy is an absolute terror to defend against.

meh infact this is like talking to 6 year old man utd fan who says but he doesn't score more than blaaa blaaa.


37.) 07 Jun 2019 13:12:37
I said Klopp should be sacked - are you mad Davey? I think over the last few years he has been awesome and the signings have been the best in the world. Klopp is more important than any player.

When a player has a great season like Firmino 2017/ 18 I say brilliant well played. But when he has a poor season I say that as well. Not great, great, great when it's untrue.

I agree with that Roy

He just isn't the most important for me Virgil.
Allison
Van Dyke
Mane etc
all far more important but just my opinion.


38.) 07 Jun 2019 13:27:00
Salah, Mane and Firmino are Key Players wich means they are going to play all posible games.
Bench Players like Shaqiri, Origi and Sturridge will play only when is needed.
Nicolas Pepe won’t come here to play when is needed he will go to a club were he can play all posible games and you don’t spend 70~80m in a player who is not going to play all posible games better to save the money and give reserves or youth players the chance and if needed buy a cheap or low cost squad player.


39.) 07 Jun 2019 17:32:28
I have no qualms with anyone who thinks Firmino isn’t our most important player as I personally agree but some of the criticism of him seems harsh mark. Perhaps it’s down to the anger of going back and forward with the Ed’s but he’s still a great player and important to the team, even if we disagree if he’s the most or not.

For what it’s worth, I love him and I do believe when he’s on form, our front 3 click and are unstoppable. However we’ve shown a side of our game this season where if he doesn’t (and he wasn’t for a lot of periods), we have other players to step up. In doing so, we were able to win the CL.

In terms of importance, I agree VVD and Allison are the most important for me. Then it’s more debatable. my preference is salah, mane and the full backs (who are critical as they provide creativity that our midfield can lack at times) .

On the original point. I’d love Pepe! Think he would fit in well.


40.) 08 Jun 2019 00:03:27
Hendo had a long world cup. Tjats why he wasnt starting games at the start of the season. But when he started he was brilliant. I just don't understand the hendo haters.

He just lifted the European f#@#@#g Cup for god sake.


41.) 08 Jun 2019 00:13:29
And firmino is absolutely brilliant. He is one of the first n mes on the team sheet. Our CF didn't reach 20 goals but he got a few. But our style is different, football has changed. Its why our wingers are winning golden boots every year. He is irreplaceable. We just let DS go so i guess we need some more cover for the forwards.

But, klopp seems to like the 4231. And i think he sees that as our way to win the league. So we need another forward.

I just don't understand people who don't see how important Henderson and firmino are.

I also think salah has been a bit greedy this season (can't blame him after last season, everything he hit went in) and i think that is why firmino saw less of the ball in our counter attacks. Bobby should be the guy you pass to to recieve a return flick that puts you in on goal.


42.) 10 Jun 2019 01:20:31
People who don't rate firmino have very little real understanding. Those views can only be taken of someone who only ever watches the balls position for 90 mins. Bobby struggled for the period he played in the 10 role. It didn't suit him, he looked lost for a few weeks and some have only judged him on that. Mark you say he never played in the big important games as an example, rubbish. When he went off early against United we lost all of our attacking rhythm, Barcelona at the nou camp we played well until the final third without him playing. We couldn't create anything against Everton either in goalless draw. Our midfield got slated for the United and Everton games, firmino only played a handful of minutes and was a big reason we struggled. 1st half away to Porto we were awful. He came on HT and changed whole team performance, came on at Burnley got a goal and assist and turned the game, came on PSG and got late winner, he played poor in the final and looked unfit, a big reason I think we played badly. Barca, United, Everton. 3 big games he missed, 3 games we failed to score. He is a hugely important player and there's no doubt about that.


 

 

29 May 2019 19:19:51
Rumours about today that we've spoken to Nicolas Pepe's agent. Just passing on a rumour though! Work colleague mentioned he'd read it online somewhere. Seen his name on here so thought I'd share 🤷‍♂️ Ed002, is he the one you said would likely be a Salah replacement?

Plain Bread

1.) 29 May 2019 19:42:03
While I'd love us to have a 4th option of equal quality to play in attack, I doubt we'll sign anyone ready made. I think the way we;ll end up with a 4th attacking player of the right quality is if we sign someone young and develop them, or someone from the academy.

Fingers crossed that Rhian Brewster can realise and fulfil his potential.


2.) 29 May 2019 19:42:37
I read it also, Duncan castles the united fan journalists tweeted it.
Pepe is a top young player, I think a Pepe type signing might see the likes of Salah or Mane leave.


3.) 29 May 2019 19:52:45
No way were after Pèpè. Ed002 mentioned only way we go after ashore signing is if Mane or Salah leaves! Not happening.


4.) 29 May 2019 22:06:52
I don’t think pepes ready made, its really been his breakthrough season this year. If we want to complete on 4 fronts, like city do, like all top teams do, we need strength in depth. 4 players for 3 positions, 50 plus games a season, so that’s 150 starts a year. Say origi and shaqiri play half the amount each, that’s 30 starts a season for the four and 15 for origi and shaq, plus sub appearances. is that bad?


5.) 30 May 2019 06:25:07
Doesn't work like that Firmane, injuries are not something anyone can predict with any degree of accuracy. Whilst Origi and Shaqiri can no doubt deputise for a period of time imagine if, say, Salah or Mane were crocked for an extended period? I have faith that Origi and Shaqiri can perform in spells - but to be consistently as good as those? Probably not. The idea of signing someone to both push them, and give us another option, makes a lot of sense to me, though who that player would be I have no clue as a rarely watch any other football besides ourselves.


6.) 30 May 2019 08:13:17
Seano, my point was we do need another player of a certain quality, and even if we do not have any long term injuries, they can all play plenty.


7.) 30 May 2019 10:35:54
i cannot understand why we can't have Pepe in our side! if Klopp trusted Origi and Shaq to rotate with the front 3 he would have done more often last season.
clearly we need that type of talen to come in compete.
why do you think City won the domestic treble? their bench was thick with high quality talent.

{Ed002's Note - Why do you think Jesus, Sane and others want out of Manchester City? Why would Pepe move to sit on the bench at Liverpool with Werner, Depay and Dybala? Why are Liverpool interested in someone else?}


8.) 30 May 2019 11:47:38
we are interested in someone else because front 3 can get injured at any time.
we were lucky last season.
most LFC fans prefer Firmino over Origi. Yeah, Orig got us to the final but over 60 games, Origi won't score 15 + goals in the league.
thats why were are looking for someone else.


9.) 30 May 2019 12:09:32
Yeah but ed, Jesus sane and mahrez are three players who are higher quality than shaq and origi. All can score goals and would be fine slotting into citys front three.

Whilst I’m not saying it has to be Pepe, we can’t compete on all fronts with shaq and origi as our only options for the bench or as competition.

I completely respect your opinion and knowledge, but to me that view is very black and white, that they will either replace salah or mane or be reserve. Competition is good, and yes, whilst I’m sure they will still be in our best 11, it doesn’t mean that salah mane and Firmino have to start every game.

{Ed002's Note - Right, and I have explained where Liverpool have an interest in others.}


10.) 30 May 2019 12:13:53
Not that agree of disagree with the idea of having back up players of high calibre but people who say "player X would not want to sit on the bench" well that's exactly what most players (especially attackers) do at Madrid and Barcelona nearly every season. Hell we lost one of our star players because he would rather sit on the bench at Barcelona than be a first teamer at liverpool. Same thing happened with Owen at madrid. There are plenty of other examples at other clubs too. There are even examples at our club both past and present.

Throughout the 90s Milan had world class players sitting on the bench because their first team was packed with world class players.

Players are ok with being a bench warmer sometimes if they are confident of their ability they assume they will work their way into the team, and if you're really good that's exactly what happens. When you're not good enough or have the wrong mentality you remain back up or you leave.

Football has no guarantees and most professional players accept that, even truly great ones.


11.) 30 May 2019 14:29:57
Agreed, Man City have Sane and Jesus looking at their options because they'd like more play time. Whatever happens in that regard, they'll sell them for a lot more than they paid for them, so as far as City are concerned, they can just sell them and replace them.

If any of our front three wanted to leave, we'd sell them for a hell of a lot more than we paid for them. I obviously cannot predict the crazy inflation of football players' transfer fees, but if Pepe came in for £70m, it's very hard to see that figure really increasing if it didn't work out. Of course it could, but very hard to predict future transfer fees in one or two season's time.

{Ed002's Note - There are others in the same boat - Sane and Jesus were just examples.}


12.) 30 May 2019 18:47:02
Thanks for the reply Ed002. What I was mainly getting at, is that unless you sign a player towards the end of their career, you won't normally lose too much on them if they're not happy with they're play time, unless of course they do something stupid, like bite someone.


 

 

 

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13 Jul 2019 18:13:39
Ed001, apologies if this has been asked but I couldn't see anything on it. Has Ryan Kent forced his way into Klopp's plans? A lot of reports are stating Klopp wants him in the squad for next season. I've seen a lot about Wilson being for sale because he doesn't work hard enough, but Kent despite being less clinical in the final third does actually work a lot harder.

Just today, the official club social media page has posted a video of training goals that might as well be a Ryan Kent highlight reel! Just wondering if he's done enough in training to be considered or if the reports are jumping the gun and we've actually rejected a loan offer because we want to sell him permanently!

Plain Bread

{Ed001's Note - we have been trying to sell him and Wilson. There is the option of a loan back to Rangers available if no sale can be found. Though any player always has the chance to change minds if he puts in the effort, Origi did last season, so it is not inevitable he will go.}


1.) 13 Jul 2019 18:29:39
Just my opinion but Kent and Wilson are a long long way off the standard required for this current LFC squad. Kent I don't think is a premier league player.


2.) 13 Jul 2019 19:06:51
We will probably see a lot of The window finished by the time we leave America, I can only assume we won’t be able to sell both as price tag too high so Kent will go back to rangers and Wilson will go to a prem team.

{Ed002's Note - Life continues regardless of where the players are TSR.}


3.) 13 Jul 2019 20:29:09
that was deep for a Saturday evening ed.

{Ed002's Note - Deep and meaningful TSR.n I can only think back to my "chums" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8LqaD6tfHk}


4.) 13 Jul 2019 20:59:08
Cheers Ed001. Appreciate the insight!


5.) 13 Jul 2019 21:13:28
Very true Ed01. Brendan Rodgers tried to use a certain player as part of a deal to get Clint Dempsey many moons ago. That player captained Liverpool to number 6 thanks to his never give up attitude and fighting spirit. Quality will only get you so far, mentality does the rest.


6.) 13 Jul 2019 21:16:48
Is one or the other ‘ahead’ in terms of staying and earning a spot? Seems Kent has a better work ethic but Wilson is a better player?


7.) 13 Jul 2019 22:25:15
Maybe we win the league with Dempsey!


8.) 13 Jul 2019 23:20:16
This Henderson/ Dempsey stuff is so old hat. Can't we just makepeace with the situation?


9.) 13 Jul 2019 23:32:20
I think kent is close to being a big player for us. Maybe not a starter but he's moving in the right direction, no doubt. I don't doubt he could do a decent job for many premier league teams but i wouldn't mind keeping him. I think gerrards interest in him speaks volumes too. I really think he would come on a lot training with the first team regularly. After brewster i think he's the best youngster we have (not counting gomez or trent) and with us being a tad short up front id give him the season. Doubt it'll happen. We played a strong bayern in pre season a year or two ago and kent was fantastic in that game. Ran the bayern defence ragged.


10.) 13 Jul 2019 21:13:05
I will remember this pep talk till the day i die/ we win the league.


11.) 15 Jul 2019 09:51:25
Robbie, anyone can have a once in a lifetime great game in pre-season, just look at how well Vorinin did one pre-season. Kent is 22 now and all he's got is pace and dribbling ability. His decision making is erratic, he doesn't pose a consistent threat on goal and he lacks end product. I think he's another player who's unfortunate not to have been a little younger, so his time in the youth team would've coincided with Klopp's reign. Klopp is definitely a lot better at managing young players development than Rodgers.


 

 

11 Jul 2019 09:04:28
Origi's new contract is sensational
£600k/ week
1 night a month with Mrs. Klopp
The Key to the City
A golden Statue in front of Shanklys

Madness.

Plain Bread

1.) 11 Jul 2019 10:22:32
don't forget Everton have kindly offered to let him score in the next game in the 90+9th minute with a bicycle kick from the half way line.


2.) 11 Jul 2019 11:00:04
😂😂😂😂😂.


3.) 11 Jul 2019 20:38:59
OP, I loved your post but the "One night a week with Mrs. Klopp" part seemed a bit creepy, don't you think?


 

 

07 Jul 2019 11:13:15
Saw someone ask about goal keepers for pre-season yesterday and I had a quick scour online to see what we actually have likely to be available.

Alisson and Mignolet won't be back for the early games because of international involvement. Grabara also due to U21's duty for Poland. Kelleher has broke his wrist so he'll be out until August.

There is obviously the young Czech keeper V. Jaros. He was part of the squad that won last season's youth cup and is meant to be decent. He's only 17. He's definitely got talent.

Interestingly though, we actually have a full international in the academy who I'd never heard of. Kai McKenzie-lyle is a 21 year old Guyana international with 5 caps and 1 goal. Yes, you read that right. He scored on his Guyana debut in 2016. He looks much more ready for men's football at 2.01m tall. No idea if he's actually any good though!

Either way it looks like we'll be scraping to Academy barrell!

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1.) 07 Jul 2019 11:39:58
Mignoket will be available if stays.


2.) 07 Jul 2019 11:54:07
That was me mate, can't wait to see who they put between the sticks.

I'd be begging to be selected if I was one of the options, get some minutes on the pitch with klopp and it could open up a few possibilities in terms of loans for the young lads.


3.) 07 Jul 2019 13:08:05
Kai McKenzie-Lyle was signed from Barnet last summer after a successful trial. Giant young man. Wasn't in the Guyana squad for the Gold Cup, so should be available to play some pre-season. He's with the U23s but I don't know any reason he couldn't be called up to replace Caoimh.


4.) 07 Jul 2019 15:12:39
1jj, Mignolet won't be back in time for the first few games of pre-season because he was away with Belgium.


5.) 07 Jul 2019 19:08:55
Plain bread - First Belgium game is 6th sept away to San Marino so will be available for our first few games.


6.) 07 Jul 2019 20:03:07
1jj, I think you're missing the point mate. We play Tranmere and Bradford on the 11th and 14th of July in pre-season friendlies. Mignolet was involved with Belgium on the 11th June.

Therefore there is no guarantee he will be back in time to play in those 2 games.


7.) 08 Jul 2019 07:46:00
don't worry lads Milner to the rescue?


8.) 08 Jul 2019 12:49:42
We should sign Van Veenendaal.


9.) 08 Jul 2019 16:24:29
Lol@king carlos.


 

 

06 Jul 2019 12:04:26
I had no idea how huge Van Den Berg was! There is a video of him meeting Klopp on the official site and I have never seen Klopp have to look up at someone!

Plain Bread

1.) 06 Jul 2019 13:36:26
Erhm. Virgil?


2.) 06 Jul 2019 13:59:28
Matip is even taller than VVD. Not by much tho and btw, Klopp is no slouch in the height dept.


3.) 06 Jul 2019 14:09:36
Is he fast?


4.) 06 Jul 2019 14:11:04
tackling the ' big ' issues i see.


5.) 06 Jul 2019 14:36:40
Could've just been camera angle but he looked taller than Virgil or Matip even. He proper dwarfed Klopp.


6.) 06 Jul 2019 17:36:58
PB, I saw the video where Klopp met Van Den Berg and hugged him and since Klopp is no small guy, it just shows how tall the youngster is. Interesting to see how he fairs in preseason.


 

 

26 Jun 2019 11:34:53
Obviously never seen Van den Berg play other than highlights but I wonder if he might take the Joe Gomez approach and start out as right/ left back cover? Interestingly, Berg started out as a winger before converting to centre back. Would explain why he looks ridiculously quick for a centre back. Interesting signing. Exciting for the future, for sure. Hopefully see him in and around the first team squad in the coming years. Welcome VDB!

Plain Bread

1.) 26 Jun 2019 14:57:37
Cant imagine many go wing to cb! Hopefully means hes comfortable on the ball if he does sign!


 

 

 

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06 Jul 2019 09:42:03
Thanks Clyde. Great insight!

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04 Jul 2019 13:58:38
I'm not even sure De Gea gets in any of the top 4 sides based on the last couple of seasons. Alisson, Ederson and Kepa are all clearly better in my opinion. Lloris is debateable but I think I'd say DDG shades it. De Gea has endured a pretty spectacular fall from grace in the last year and he's not even the standout player at United any more.

I would say that Luke Shaw probably gets into any top 4 side except ours. He's better than Zinchenko, Delph, Davies, Rose, Emerson and Alonso. Mendy is never fit so has no right to even be included in the debate. Robbo is clearly superior to them all though ????.

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02 Jul 2019 17:36:25
His hair is nearly as bad as Paul Pogba's!

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01 Jul 2019 11:48:11
I think you guys are right. It probably is Mane. I didn't actually open the link. Just saw "Real Madrid to offer Asensio to Liverpool in swap deal - Liverpool fans won't be happy about this".

Need more enticing bait than that for me to click!

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23 Jun 2019 15:21:21
Cornet, Wamangituka and Groeneveld as versatile back ups. Pepe as a Salah replacement if he leaves.

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19 Jul 2019 21:18:12
For me it's
1. Alisson
2. Trent
3. Virgil

Our worst spell last season was when Trent was injured and we had Milner, Hendo, Camacho, Gomez etc at right back. It's not even defensively that he stands out. It's just that he offers a threat from deep that is unrivalled and I've not seen a player who can create so much without having to beat a man since Pirlo was in his prime. He have a real star in Trent. He's not our best player. Probably not even top 5, but he's so vital to the way we play.

Alisson has to be first though because he's the best keeper in the world and our back up (Migs) has only ever been average. We'd probably go to pieces again without Alisson filling everyone with confidence.

Lastly had to be Virgil because he's just a unit. Felt so guilty not even marching Fabinho, Robbo, Hendo or any of the front 3. Just goes to show how good we are nowadays.

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19 Jul 2019 10:19:00
I loved him at the time RedWolf. I wouldn't call him a has been personally. From when Suarez left to when Mane signed, for me he was our best player. He was brilliant at times and scored game changing goals at times when we lacked quality.

Klopp raised the bar though. Coutinho is not world class. He's just very good. We now have world class players through the team. Alisson, Virgil, Salah and Mane in particular. Arnold, Robbo, Fabinho and Firmino are all debateable too depending on how you define it.

Coutinho would be a good signing if we didn't already have a world class player in his position. Mane is a phenom. He matched Salah and Aubameyang, outscored Kane, Hazard and Aguero etc. And those 5 all take penalties and free kicks. Mane is currently the most prolific forward in the league from open play.

So why would we spend all that money on Coutinho who's best position is where Mane plays? If we want an attacking midfielder we should sign a specialist. Not try and force Coutinho into a role he's got no track record of performing in, despite playing with world class players at club and international level.

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18 Jul 2019 16:20:02
Red Rum, no offence but you talk like it's FIFA mate. Where is the evidence that Coutinho will be this world class saviour in attacking midfield of a 4-2-1-3? He's barely kicked a ball in that role in years, if ever. Sure, his technical ability points towards that being a good fit for him, but every time a team has tried him there he's looked shackled. He's best when he has time on the ball. You don't get that in the hole behind the striker. You have to be ahead of everyone else mentally and find time/ space where there is none.

Coutinho's best attributes are running at people and making them commit so he can feint inside and either get a shot away, whip a cross in, or slide a pass through to the forwards. Its easy to find space out wide so it suits him. He's not intelligent enough as a player to find space in congested areas and he wants too many touches to consistently pass through teams. All his problems are in his head. Technically he is easily good enough so it looks great on paper. If he had the tactical acumen to do it though, I'm sure one of his past 4 or 5 managers would've played him there.

You claim that it hinders his ability when he is played out wide but as a wide forward he was arguably our best player at times. I think He's a very good player but this myth that he can play midfield is out of hand. Even Barcelona believed it when they signed him to replace Iniesta. If he can't cope with the workload of a midfielder at the top team in a very top heavy La liga, then he has no chance in the Premier League.

I don't know what you are basing these statements on, but they are baseless opinions. His best season in midfield was 13/ 14 and that was nearly 6 years ago when he had a lot more youthful exuberance, but as a team we still let in over 50 goals which cost us the title. No way you can blame Coutinho for that, but as a unit, we were less solid with him in midfield. He only scored 8 goals that year. He's at least doubled that return playing as a left forward. Even Rodgers clocked on to that. You've made a comment there as if Rodgers was bad for Coutinho's career/ development but under Rodgers he went from a under performing midfielder on the fringes of an aging Inter Milan team, to one of the best left forwards in Europe. The problem I have with him coming back is that Mane is even better.

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18 Jul 2019 15:55:23
Man Utd with Bissaka filling their problem position should be much stronger. Moreno showed us how much of a negative impact one weak link can be. Young was torrid for them. The problem is I simply can't see Ole getting the best out of the squad. He's so far out of his depth he makes a beached Whale look at home.

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18 Jul 2019 07:47:57
Coutinho played his first half of a season as an attacking mid when we signed him in January. After that he played left midfield in a diamond for one season which he was okay at but left the defence very exposed. Then he played left forward in a front 3 right up until his last 6 months were Klopp tried him as a left midfielder in the midfield 3, but quickly realised he couldn't hack it and rotated Coutinho and Mané in the left forward role.

People do have short memories, but it is not the people saying Coutinho can't play midfield. He was removed from midfield because we were conceding 50 odd goals a season with the likes of him in there.

Coutinho is a very good left forward. He is a bit of a one trick pony, but so was Robben. If the trick is that good, then it's not a bad thing. The problem is not that Coutinho isn't good enough for Liverpool. As a left forward we have literally seen years of proof he links well with Firmino etc. The problem is that when he left and we stopped rotating Mané all the time, Sadio went to a new level and is now arguably the best left forward in world football. So Coutinho would pretty much be an £80m reserve player. Unless people genuinely believe that 18 months playing as a left winger in Spain or for Brazil will have made him a better midfielder in English football or that he is better than Mané.

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