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18 Jan 2023 09:00:08
Senior FSG sources have DISMISSED recent speculation that they are on the brink of selling Liverpool to a Qatari consortium or anyone else. FSG increasingly likely to sell minority stake in Liverpool. An article from The Athletic this morning. So it looks like more of the same for the foreseeable future.
1.) 18 Jan 2023 09:42:34
I cannot begin to fathom why people take the word of any journalism (known to be highly innacurate almost all the time), when we have the vast inside knowledge of ed2 updating us on what he understands to be the situation.
2.) 18 Jan 2023 09:44:07
Nobody is going to want to buy a minority stake. Why would someone agree to fund the transfers and have no say in how the club is being run while FSG sit on their hands and cream the bulk of the benefits from their investment?
They've been open to 'strategic partners' for about 8 years with nobody stupid enough to take them up on the offer. Can't imagine that changing anytime soon unless we have a whip round.
{Ed001's Note - they have already brought in some, so that's not true. Man City have done the same as well. As have other clubs. It happens a lot. They would just be gambling that the value of the shares will continue to rise over time, which it is likely it will, especially when the stadium work is completed and revenues increase due to the capacity increase.}
3.) 18 Jan 2023 09:52:44
Shares in FSG if I'm right though, rather than Liverpool FC which is what they're currently looking for? The RedBird investment into FSG had absolutely zero benefit to the football club and certainly wasn't used to be competitive in the transfer market.
{Ed001's Note - buying shares in Liverpool would be more beneficial to the buyer than in FSG. Not sure you understand what buying shares would mean anyway. The money goes to the person who sells the shares, not the football club. Liverpool will not benefit from them selling up completely or partially unless the investor chooses to invest.
Now if they issued new shares, that would then be money that would go into either FSG or LFC, depending on which company issued them. But that is not what is happening here. I don't understand why people are so concerned with this. It might make absolutely no difference at all even if they sell. The chance of someone coming in and pumping huge amounts of money in are very slight. Probably for the best looking at the mess throwing money at a club has made of Everton. You would expect them to invest a bit, but it is unlikely we will get someone like Boehly, probably more like Kretinsky at West Ham.}
4.) 18 Jan 2023 09:56:30
Comical when folks use something to slag FSG then find out they're wrong.
FSG have talked about minority stake from their original statement. Only fans can't/ don't want to grasp that and continue to believe all the crap on the clickbait sites about Quatari multi billion takeovers.
5.) 18 Jan 2023 10:15:04
It’s James Pearce. The opposite of what he says is usually right.
6.) 18 Jan 2023 10:15:15
I'm aware of all of this, point I'm making is why would an minority buyer invest in the playing squad? FSG don't, so they're not going to do it. It would be 100% risk for shared reward. Any minority investment will change nothing from our side of things
City is a totally different proposition altogether as well, much more room for growth given the fact they started at a much lower point. Football is very much mid-bubble at the moment I would guess and the value of the biggest clubs is going to peak, if it hasn't already.
7.) 18 Jan 2023 10:21:59
Who's slagging FSG? You like to put your own spin on things I notice. I posted a rumour as it's a rumour site. If FSG remain then things stay the same can you prove any different?
8.) 18 Jan 2023 10:30:57
Invest in the playing squad? Shared reward? Seriously?
I'm not here to argue, but you clearly don't know much. I don't know much either. But I do know that your points are so wrong.
Peace and out.
9.) 18 Jan 2023 10:46:33
They don't invest in the playing squad, that is the entire purpose of the self-sustaining model. And it would be shared reward, obviously
Random words with a question mark at the end isn't a counter-point
Much either? Peace? Seriously?
10.) 18 Jan 2023 10:55:28
Not sure what you're getting your knickers in a twist for ORT.
I also don't put a spin on anything. I tell it like it is, if other posters don't like it or fail to grasp what I'm referring to then that's just tough on them.
11.) 18 Jan 2023 11:12:57
As I said couple of days back once we lose you here all kind of potential buyers being leaked Including Bellingham transfer etc.
Once we win you'll see completely opposite news especially from naysayers.
12.) 18 Jan 2023 12:27:29
The extra revenue coming the new stand better go straight in the transfer funds, we need every little bit while these lot are still there, it's shameful the amount revenue, success and prizes we won to be below half of the league in net spending, not many sources out there that know the take over bids so take all of them with a pinch of salt.
13.) 18 Jan 2023 12:38:54
Here's what I think will happen based on absolutely nothing. I think the Qatari's will by a minority share in LFC. They will then start to sell off PSG so that they are minority shareholders (kind of like when Red Bird bought into FSG) and then do a full takeover of LFC sometime in 2024 (Like Red Bird with AC Milan) . Again, I'm piecing things together and probably putting 2+2 together and getting 5, but that is my prediction.
14.) 18 Jan 2023 12:45:26
Sure senior fsg sources are not allowed to say anything on the matter. For all thise saying we don't want them or any Saudis ect. I can see most premier league clubs going the same way eventually and we'd be left feeding on scraps. Best to steal a march here and get a head start. United will be sold soon and we are already playing catch up.
15.) 18 Jan 2023 12:48:41
I guess this is why it's best not to discuss finances, particularly when it comes to football clubs and investments. FSG have attracted several minority investments over the years who have directly invested in 'liverpool' (I say that loosely as they aren't actually putting their money into the club) .
Basically, as Ed001 says, any investment is highly unlikely to have an affect on monies available for transfers, and they certainly wouldn't be expected to put money forward for transfers by FSG.
16.) 18 Jan 2023 12:59:43
Stuie, there basically selling off and using our LFC brand for everyone to have their piece of the Liverpool pie but leaving the most important part, the squad, too burn out, there can't be any support for their strategy of running Liverpool anymore, out staying their welcome more and more with everyday passing and tarnishing what they have done in the past.
17.) 18 Jan 2023 13:09:49
This isn't accurate and Pearce would be the last one to get info as he is a mouthpiece for the club used when needed.
He has no access to either Goldman Sachs or the countries of interest.
18.) 18 Jan 2023 13:34:26
To be fair, I don't even think a Middle Eastern takeover is going to lead to the frivolous spending people are expecting. The sportswashing has been a bit counter-productive anyway, if anything it's just brought more negative attention
They're looking to diversify their economies and become less reliant on oil. So they'll be wanting a return, it's pretty clear Newcastle aren't going to be throwing money about in the same way PSG and City did. They may have deeper pockets and be willing to take a few more risks, but they won't be wanting to make a loss in the long term.
19.) 18 Jan 2023 13:41:01
6timessofar you are spot on. But I did get a laugh from thinking about Burger Head being laughed out of Goldman Sachs' offices.
20.) 18 Jan 2023 14:57:06
Now, I have investments (albeit on a way smaller scale than what we're discussing here! ), but if the company I invested in turned around and asked me to stump up some cash so they can buy some new equipment after I have invested my money, I'd tell them where to go.
You invest in the hope that your initial input increases over time, allowing you make a profit when you sell your share. I don't understand why people think it is so different for a football club. It has always been made clear money would be available for the right player whilst at the same time, getting the club into a relatively healthy financial position compared to what it was previously.
21.) 18 Jan 2023 16:42:06
Well if fsg stick around we'll be regularly lucky if we get top 4.more likely top 5th to 8th at best.
22.) 18 Jan 2023 17:33:49
This is all posturing to increase the price, whilst breaking the fans in slowly that the club and its socialist values, to at least what's left are about to be flushed down the pan.
FSG can't take us any further, nor are they likely to increase the value of the club since we can't compete based upon the miracle that is Jurgen all the time. This means now is the time to exit.
FSG are master poker players and they will be rinsing whoever comes along for as much as possible, and all of this is part of that play.
23.) 18 Jan 2023 17:53:09
LFC won’t be sold not a chance it’s just wishful thinking as China Crisis once said.
09 Jan 2023 17:37:35
Just read Keita has averaged 13 games a season since he arrived. How is he even still here.
1.) 09 Jan 2023 18:21:05
More like nearly 30,but i agree it hasn't worked out.
2.) 09 Jan 2023 18:32:34
Jude's right, his average for appearances per season is 27 (122 divided by 4 and a half) . Maybe they mean starts? Although as bad as he's been, I thought he'd have more than that.
All that being said, it wouldn't matter if he averaged 50 a season if he doesn't play well enough when picked. Which he doesn't.
3.) 09 Jan 2023 18:36:52
The annoying thing is he’s acctually been really positive coming off the bench the last few weeks, throughout his time with us he’s shown short glimpses of why we signed him. But the fact is he’s not reliable to be fit and when he is fit he half asses games and in some of the big games (Real Madrid, athletico) he hasn’t shown up at all. Should have cut our losses a few years ago.
4.) 09 Jan 2023 18:43:51
Bmena, time and again (with maybe 3 or 4 exceptions last year) Keita's proven that he stops trying and disappears out of games after about 15 to 20 minutes, regardless of how long it's been since his last injury.
That's why he looks good off the bench, because he only has to last about 20 minutes. That and the fact that Hendo, Fabs and Thiago look like they have bronchitis or something.
Start him and, based entirely on his LFC career to date, he be anonymous way before half time.
5.) 09 Jan 2023 18:51:36
I don't know why you would make something up that other people can easily check, it just shows you up to be a liar.
6.) 09 Jan 2023 19:46:22
Or maybe they made a mistake? Thunderbird.
7.) 09 Jan 2023 19:54:05
Who's lying? This is directly from the article "Naby Keita has been one of the most expensive flops in recent Premier League history. He's started 61 games (plus 18 as a sub) That's 61 Premier League starts in four and a half season's an average of just 13 starts a season"
8.) 09 Jan 2023 20:15:53
Either way he's been a terrible signing. The sooner he's gone the better. What makes it all the worse is inheriting the number 8 shirt meant nothing to him. He should have earned it.
9.) 09 Jan 2023 20:21:16
You see the difference between what you wrote and what the article said right?
10.) 09 Jan 2023 20:32:20
Oh yeah the PL part ?.
11.) 09 Jan 2023 22:24:26
So it's PL starts instead of overall appearances.
I don't think we needed this metric to realise he hasn't worked out anyway.
23 Dec 2022 14:42:45
So Liverpool are looking "at options" for January. My guess is Amrabat is one of those options.
1.) 23 Dec 2022 16:24:43
Might as well just set fire to £40m as buy Amrabat.
2.) 23 Dec 2022 16:26:29
Would definitely help but all of a sudden an attacker is priority as jota out, diaz out, with no guarantee they come back this season an if they do they can't come back full pelt as they have suffered serious injuries, Bobby is also injured we could do with an attacker that is reliable and can play all 3 positions up front.
3.) 23 Dec 2022 16:44:08
Hailstones mate scoring goals isn't our problem hence need to fix midfield before thinking about other positions.
4.) 23 Dec 2022 16:59:40
I’d rather have a midfielder.
5.) 23 Dec 2022 17:31:16
In fairness to hailstones, we are very very light in attack. Jota and Diaz are out for a good two to three months, Firmino has picked up a knock and will probably continue to have minor niggles. Ox will likely injure himself in a warm up and even if he doesn’t, he’s hardly reliable as a forward. As for midfield the less said the better. I can see us putting our messages to the media that the club see no value in the market and that Arthur and Keita will be like new signings. Before making another supermarket sweep trolly dash at the end of the window for someone utterly terrible on loan from Juventus or overpaying for Amrabat just because of his World Cup performances, only to regret it when inevitably he can’t keep up with the pace of the premier league and being in a team that doesn’t camp on its own 18 yard box or his injuries catch up with him and he joins Keita in the treatment room. Standard ?.
6.) 23 Dec 2022 17:36:46
Might as well poke your eyes out, pour in petrol and set light to it as pay any attention to any post by Victor, EVER!
If we bought a prime Messi, he’d be whinging about it - “yes, but he’s rubbish in goal…. ”.
7.) 23 Dec 2022 17:37:34
2 midfielders.
8.) 23 Dec 2022 20:44:43
Ox is rubbish. Can’t wait to see the back of him. He’s stole a wage for the last 5 years or however long he’s been injured for.
9.) 23 Dec 2022 20:56:42
Zeddicus, that’s false equivalency. Amrabat is an incredibly mediocre journeyman midfielder who had a few good games in the World Cup, nothing more nothing less. Any club buying him is making a mistake.
10.) 23 Dec 2022 21:51:05
Five clubs makes you a journeyman? So that means Mo Salah is a journeyman. Excellent.
11.) 23 Dec 2022 21:57:00
Buying a player because they played well in the World Cup is not a good strategy. You have to look at the body of work, . International football is MUCH different. Very dangerous to buy a player based on international duty.
12.) 23 Dec 2022 22:53:18
I will rephrase my opinion we definitely need 2 midfielders in January, because all of them even thiago is a tackle or stride away from injury as for the others not good enough .
The other issue up front definitely needs addressing the injuries are serious and we need another quality attacker, if we are serious we will address these positions.
13.) 24 Dec 2022 01:52:11
Nice false equivalency there T Bird. Two of Salah’s clubs were as part of Chelsea’s loan army, so no comparison at all. Amrabat would be a terrible signing end of. World Cup hype and nothing more.
14.) 24 Dec 2022 01:56:40
But we have Darwin "Caroll" Nunez!
15.) 24 Dec 2022 06:44:11
Amrabat is exactly what we need.
Complacency is one of our big problems.
Competition for places. This guy will help provide that.
"Just based on one World Cup" bla bla bla. Funny, we were tracking him before November . . .
16.) 24 Dec 2022 07:39:50
Sorry vvvv but Salah played for Basel, Chelsea, Roma and Liverpool which is hardly a false equivalency is it?
The fact people are talking about signing another forward due to our current injuries is total insanity. This in spite of the fact all of these people who’ve been saying we need 2-3 new midfielders and ideally 2 of those on Jan.
It’s football manager and fifa at its best ??♂️.
17.) 24 Dec 2022 08:33:56
Diaz is a massive blow. and jota to be fair. But how is bobby injured again?
18.) 24 Dec 2022 10:30:23
Love that we've already decided that it's going to be Amrabat, and that Amrabat is rubbish, even though I'm pretty sure most people on here have never seen him kick a ball outside of the World Cup.
19.) 24 Dec 2022 11:21:39
Not true SR. I've been watching him since he started at Marrakesh Rovers u8's.
20.) 24 Dec 2022 11:44:31
So you would be against signing a forward. We have Dias and Jota who are both made of crisps (VVVV) and Firmino who is hit and miss. A striker who can’t finish and are left with Salah who goes missing for large chunks of a game but at least is never injured. We with out doubt need another top quality forward.
21.) 24 Dec 2022 13:30:58
Signing another forward in jan? Yes, I would 100% be against that when midfield so clearly needs to be the priority. You cannot stockpile players because a couple of your squad are injured for a month or two, it’s moronic.
22.) 24 Dec 2022 14:35:47
Diaz is made of crisps? What utter nonsense! Jota seems to pick up fair share of injuries but Diaz, give your head a wobble!
23.) 24 Dec 2022 20:06:20
@VVVV
Kick back and listen to some Doom over Xmas brother?
Bigger things going in most of our lives.
Festive blessings to us all?.
24.) 25 Dec 2022 06:49:21
It was a joke about VVVV’s favourite saying Oraujo. But he hasn’t been much use this season and who’s to say he will come back the same player? Could be the start of an injury ridden career you never know he plays for Liverpool so it is highly likely. Obviously hope not, we need reinforcements in attack as well as midfield.
25.) 25 Dec 2022 07:36:47
Was going to say Lavish, haha. He’ll be fine and back firing in no time! Merry xmas to all!
28 Aug 2022 13:11:19
Berge the latest rumour. Probably spot on cheap and has potential. Hopefully he doesn't take as long as Robbo to settle down or else the season will be over if we sign him.
1.) 28 Aug 2022 13:32:06
Because the most sensible thing to do is bring in a very injury prone midfielder to an already paper mache full midfeild.
2.) 28 Aug 2022 14:27:52
We need to stop buying injury-prone players. See Thiago, Ox and Konate.
3.) 28 Aug 2022 13:48:03
Signing Berge makes no sense. He’s about as quick and mobile as the QE2 and has had a lot of bad injuries. We’d be just as well signing no one as sign an injury prone player.
4.) 28 Aug 2022 14:48:28
Shocking if true.
5.) 28 Aug 2022 14:50:28
Oh god please no.
6.) 28 Aug 2022 15:45:49
How is Konate injury prone?
7.) 28 Aug 2022 15:18:12
Some anti climax from De Jong or Neves.
8.) 28 Aug 2022 16:18:35
I think calling Konate injury prone is harsh. He was done by a lad in that “friendly” with Strasbourg, prior to that he’d not really had any issues for us.
9.) 28 Aug 2022 16:45:59
Because he’s the right player ??♂️.
10.) 28 Aug 2022 17:15:44
If we spend 35mill on him it's a disgrace. surely not. After klopp said no to nunes too.
11.) 28 Aug 2022 17:36:17
Carlos Solar from Valencia, left field, but something tells me it’s a possibility, I have no basis, 1yr on contract, 25, can play across c mid.
12.) 28 Aug 2022 17:47:43
The right player for the treatment table Jay?
13.) 28 Aug 2022 18:43:38
Soler's a good player with a good contract situation, same as Laimer! can't see anyone with 3 or 4 years left coming in.
14.) 28 Aug 2022 19:49:34
6 times I’d agree pal ?.
15.) 28 Aug 2022 20:40:57
Soler, we would struggle to raise the funds for a Solar Panel.
BBC Teletext quoting the "Insider" says LFC have made a verbal agreement with Borussia Dortmund for Jade Bellingham in the upcoming "January" Transfer Window.
Looks bad for Stevie G defeat at home today, Bournemouth beat them 2-0 on the opening day of the season, plus side so far his only victory against Everton, next two fixtures could decide his future Arsenal (away) Man City (home) .
After Newcastle home game midweek, Nunez will be available to play against Everton, bet that's got Ed025 looking for the toilet paper.
16.) 28 Aug 2022 22:00:51
Please tell me it’s not the lame horse we are buying? What a let down this will be.
17.) 28 Aug 2022 22:21:56
Whitewalker, this is what happens when we leave it to the last moment. It’s like going on the pull and ending up with a biffer at ten to two.
18.) 28 Aug 2022 23:22:04
injury prone midfielder? sounds like a Klopp signing!
09 Jun 2022 16:26:26
Nunez to United is on now. Ah well time to move on and go for the next target.
1.) 09 Jun 2022 16:30:54
That's what I've heard too.
2.) 09 Jun 2022 16:31:37
What? Surely not.
3.) 09 Jun 2022 16:43:27
I still think that we will sign him.
4.) 09 Jun 2022 16:44:20
The panic????????.
5.) 09 Jun 2022 16:47:30
Guy feeling Ed001? Do we get this done in your opinion mate seems to be dragging on.
{Ed001's Note - I don't see it happening, so it probably will now.}
6.) 09 Jun 2022 17:04:19
I did say thus lastnight.
7.) 09 Jun 2022 17:04:30
will still sign him he want champions league football also our south american player connections and to play under Jurgen Klopp. i belive this is a money making move by benfica to try and squeeze us for more money person terms have been agreed and where in advanced talks with Benfica
SC007.
8.) 09 Jun 2022 17:06:16
If he ends up at Utd I urge you all to take to Twatter with popcorn for the meltdown from Top Reds. It'll be epic.
9.) 09 Jun 2022 17:08:34
So, ORT and KBL, can you please share where you heard this? I know we're a rumours site, but you should at least name a source.
All I can see is several articles saying we have agreed terms for Nunez with Mendes and are getting to the final thrashings of a deal with Benfica.
Subsequently Ten Hag has had a discussion with Mendes.
Nowhere can I see that Nunez/ Benfica have turned down Liverpool and have agreed to Man Utd.
So, guys, where did you hear this?
10.) 09 Jun 2022 17:08:54
Until he’s in the real kit nvr believe a thing.
11.) 09 Jun 2022 17:14:37
We have agreed everything but seems UTD are trying to stretch and throw the last punch.
12.) 09 Jun 2022 17:26:07
Zeddicus I don't make stuff up. It's coming from Pedro Sepulveda who was one of the first Portuguese journalist's to break the Nunez to Liverpool story.
13.) 09 Jun 2022 17:35:14
I personally don’t think it will happen, we seem very good a getting transfers over the line quickly and announcing them and shocking people.
But when the transfer drags on we always seem to lose out,
As it actually been confirmed yet we have made a formal offer for The player yet? .
14.) 09 Jun 2022 17:41:52
Zed mate the same source (Portugal journalist) UTD have sent their delegation to pursuit he's agent (George Mendis) coz UTD now have clear picture what we have agreed with player agent and he's club. It seems to me it's a desperation move to throw last dice and see what pops out.
15.) 09 Jun 2022 17:42:31
Thanks ORT, I watched that too - never implied you were making stuff up, just wanted the source so I could check too.
As I said above, he's saying that Ten Hag is talking to Mendes (when you strip out all of the journalist hyperbole) .
Fine, they can talk, but United are playing catchup to the gate we have already passed through - we appear to have agreed a deal with the player (through his agent) and are now negotiating with his club.
We are still in the box seat as the deal with Nunez is done, and he wants to play for a CL club. We now need to finalise with Benfica.
Like I said, I didn't say you have made anything up, but you have interpreted something in quite an extreme way.
Quite a difference between "United have got Nunez, let's move on to the next player" and "United's manager is trying to negotiate a deal with the player, through his agent, that we have already done"
16.) 09 Jun 2022 17:46:12
If he did end up at United, it’ll be for 1 of 2 reasons
We wouldn’t pay the money for him
Or
He went for a bigger wage, as nobody can live on 120k a week.
17.) 09 Jun 2022 17:56:02
Pedro Sepulveda said his agent is talking to United and from there you took the leap to Nunez is going to United and we need to move on. Baffling.
18.) 09 Jun 2022 17:59:39
Jody, yes it has been reported that we have agreed terms with the player.
Kopforever, yep I agree. They're just trying it at the last minute.
A few years ago, when we had Rodgers or Hodgson and Utd had Ferguson, I would've been far more worried than I am now. CL football, a batter for the EPL and Klopp? Yes please!
19.) 09 Jun 2022 18:12:06
If he goes to man utd he will only become a "HOG"!
Erik "TEN HOGS" and a goalie!
20.) 09 Jun 2022 18:45:22
apparently a rumour which has been rubbishd.
21.) 09 Jun 2022 19:00:22
I have heard some nonsense on here but my word…. we lose out when transfers don’t get done quickly?
Who? When?
Thiago?
How long has this transfer taken? How long did Jota and Fabinho actually take…. and I don’t mean the point that a journalist announced “it’s on”?
How long did Liverpool and the other clubs talk for?
Do you think we decided on Nunez on Monday and as it’s not done by Thursday it’s dragged on too long?
And to be clear, if he is stupid enough to sign for United, then we shouldn’t want him.
22.) 09 Jun 2022 19:04:54
Mega lol at this. Manchester United have some serious work to do to get back to top four next season. The new manager is decent but Arsenal and spurs are ahead of them with arteta and Conte establishing decent squads and style of play. Chelsea are still solid and then Liverpool and Man City are another level. Manchester United now need to offload Maguire and a full squad of expensive flops. There’s barely a player in the squad that is top 4 material. Ronaldo that’s it. So why would Nunez join a struggling team for a few years of rebuilding? When klopp came to Liverpool we bought Salah from roma mane from Southampton Robertson from hull. Trent promoted from youth wijnuldum from Newcastle. We couldn’t chase europes elite we didn’t have the lure. We are now one of the best sides in Europe we can land big talent. Manchester United need to start looking at picking up talent from the lower divisions not from europes elite. It’s a long road back to the top as every Liverpool supporter from the 80’s knows. It’s uniteds turn I doubt ten Haag will be the answer.
ORT's banter posts with other poster's replies to ORT's banter posts
31 Jan 2023 15:37:10
Book your hotels for Istanbul taunts going to be epic I'll turn of the Internet of for about 6 months.
1.) 31 Jan 2023 15:40:38
Yes please do that.
2.) 31 Jan 2023 15:52:49
What do you mean, ORT?
3.) 31 Jan 2023 15:54:45
We will shock the world in the UCL. We are winning it?.
4.) 31 Jan 2023 15:57:45
Please do ORT. See ya in 6 months.
5.) 31 Jan 2023 16:14:09
All because his opinion differs ?.
6.) 31 Jan 2023 16:31:23
It's not because 'his opinion differs', Irish, it's because he comes on here to say "TOLD YA SO! WHERE ARE THE SUPERFANS NOW? " after every poor result.
It's pretty sad, imo.
7.) 31 Jan 2023 16:51:48
Think the word your looking for something red is
t* sser.
8.) 31 Jan 2023 17:24:32
I still think we have a chance of winning it, ? it's a slim chance but weirder things have happened.
We may get battered by Madrid or we may actually sneak through, who knows. But I won't write it off until we are out.
9.) 31 Jan 2023 17:25:01
Why you all Ganging up on posters who don’t agree with one of you?
We’re 9th. Liverpool are 9th. He has a right to be unhappy with that.
10.) 31 Jan 2023 17:39:25
He has the right to be unhappy with that LFC8 of course but if he doesn’t want people to be nasty to him he needs to be a bit nicer to others.
It seems to me he’s more worried about his image in front of his ‘mates’ (he probably never leaves his bedroom in truth) than actually being worried about supporting the team anyway.
I will never understand people being embarrassed about their teams performances. You have no control over it so what on earth do you have to be embarrassed about?
Let them taunt all they want and don’t be so weak minded as to let it get to you.
Peaks and troughs, that is football and we’ve had more than our fair share of peaks over the years.
11.) 31 Jan 2023 17:40:45
LiverpoolFC8. So you're unhappy, because of the team results. So you take it out on your fellow fans, is it? Who are his comments addressed to? The team or the fans? What have the fans got to do with the teams performances?
12.) 31 Jan 2023 17:42:17
Is anyone happy with 9th place currently? Doubt it.
Don't see everyone coming on to yell: "Haha told you we were crap" after every game though. Even you're not doing it, are you?
He wants to be an obnoxious git, that's his business. But people will treat him like he's an obnoxious git. This is not difficult to understand. Stop trying to make this about opinions when it's about how someone behaves.
13.) 31 Jan 2023 17:44:16
We won it with a worse team in 2005, so u never know.
More chance of winning it than the Toffees…. just.
14.) 31 Jan 2023 17:52:25
In 2005 we won with Traore, Baros and Kewell, so the impossible is possible.
15.) 31 Jan 2023 18:23:46
2005 team would easily beat us right now.
16.) 31 Jan 2023 18:37:16
No chance War Machine, some of them are even older than Milner now and long since retired.
17.) 31 Jan 2023 18:42:41
No one is happy with things at the moment. Maybe practice a bit of acceptance of our situation, then. We've had a great time under Klopp and now things are not so great under Klopp.
If you can't handle that and a bit of stick from other fans maybe turning the internet off for six months isn't such a bad idea.
We'll let you know when things are great again, ORTy.
Oh, we can't because you had to turn the internet off ?.
18.) 31 Jan 2023 18:55:48
Certainly wouldn't say no to 2005 vintage Alonso, Gerrard or even Hamann WarMachine.
19.) 31 Jan 2023 19:11:02
Nothing wrong with midfield we have now. ask klopp.
20.) 31 Jan 2023 19:13:23
The proof will be in June.
20 Jan 2023 13:45:42
So what happens in the Summer if the "right" midfield player isn't available?
{Ed014's Note - buy the “left” one? ?♂️
1.) 20 Jan 2023 13:56:47
The same thing that happened the last 2.
2.) 20 Jan 2023 14:05:32
Don't think it has much to do with "right midfield"
We just don't have enough Cash and trying everything to accumulate for the summer or else we wouldn't have asked for Enzo Fernandez or talk to caicedo which forced Brighton official to mock us publicly.
3.) 20 Jan 2023 14:06:16
By then Bajcetic would have played 20 games and Curtis Jones would have had a call up for the England squad. Also Harvey Elliot would have scored and assisted in a champions league final. Well anyone coming in by that point will be just back up for these 3 in the midfield and would have missed their chance to play for Liverpool. You snooze you lose.
4.) 20 Jan 2023 14:11:48
If he isn't available then he isn't the right one, right?
5.) 20 Jan 2023 14:31:41
Can’t believe we haven’t signed a midfielder ? were almost declining on purpose!
So when we finish 8th we can sign a midfielder and finish 5th next year and say how well we’ve done.
6.) 20 Jan 2023 14:39:18
Sticking to your guns that Klopp will walk if we don't sign one, LFC8?
7.) 20 Jan 2023 14:47:14
We extend the Kenny stand and say thank you to John and Tom.
8.) 20 Jan 2023 15:46:21
I think he’d be gone now if Elliot hadn’t of pulled a captains performance vs Wolves.
Yeh mate tbh, I hope I’m wrong though I love the guy ?.
9.) 20 Jan 2023 17:17:34
Who do we sign, that is available, that guarantees up top four and challenging for the title next season?
10.) 20 Jan 2023 17:47:29
Well I reckon Klopp probably had a good idea of how transfer business was going to go this season. Indeed he was likely involved in planning transfer business this season in some way, given his role as manager of the first team (obviously he doesn't dictate how much money we can spend) .
So if he was going to walk over this, he'd have done it in the summer. So I'd say we're safe enough on that front.
11.) 20 Jan 2023 17:48:49
Curtis Jones needs shipping out in summer too.
12.) 20 Jan 2023 19:21:23
Some are better than others, but there is not a single player we currently have in midfield who I would be sorry to see the back of. Any of them could be shipped out and upgraded if we’re honest.
13.) 20 Jan 2023 20:34:17
@Thomas194, you could say that about 99.9% of all clubs in the world and for all players in the squad, not just the midfield. Just saying.
14.) 21 Jan 2023 00:34:47
What are the names of the upgrades, thomas?
Feel free to Google names that you know little about or name players that are unavailable eg. Tchouameni and Guimaraes.
15.) 21 Jan 2023 03:27:35
@ORT WE GET ABOUT 10 weeks of desperate people asking the Ed’s every morning if there is a chance that we will sign a midfielder today.
06 Jan 2023 21:40:23
Just goes to show they can bring on a World Cup winner in an FA Cup game whilst we attempt to bring a 20 yr old back of loan.
1.) 06 Jan 2023 22:08:52
You’re not wrong, I’d definitely swap squads.
2.) 06 Jan 2023 22:14:10
2 + 2 = 7.
3.) 06 Jan 2023 22:43:54
To be fair I think it was tongue in cheek. Good lad ORT.
4.) 06 Jan 2023 23:51:49
VVVV, you there? We need someone to mention false equivalence.
5.) 07 Jan 2023 00:56:54
Glazers in!
04 Jan 2023 15:32:20
Is Ljinders gone yet?
1.) 04 Jan 2023 15:59:56
He will be renting a room at Jurgen's once Jurgen retires from football, and treated like a long lost son.
2.) 04 Jan 2023 15:57:24
The forum and Carragher haven't got their way, yet.
3.) 04 Jan 2023 17:24:07
Man’s a tool should be seen not heard!
Intensity stick it up your Swiss!
How many books has Brian kidd wrote as he’s easily the most decorated and well known assistant in the epl?
4.) 04 Jan 2023 18:01:47
To be honest Jay I think I would have sacked him the moment he told me he was publishing the book.
5.) 04 Jan 2023 18:11:31
Simple fix.
Start pressing and play like a Klopp team again.
Live up to the book title. Intensity is our identity isn't it?
As long as we do that, I don't care if Lijnders covers himself in chocolate and Klopp licks it off him.
6.) 04 Jan 2023 18:46:04
We don’t have the personnel to reinstate pressing football like that, Pelican. We’re stuck with it as it is, so it look like it’s going to be a long painful slog to the end of the season.
7.) 04 Jan 2023 18:51:09
What a hue and cry about Pep and his book! I need to see what all the fuss is about, so I'm looking for Lijnders' book.
8.) 04 Jan 2023 19:15:03
VVVV - we can still press. Yes we need more legs but you can still press in the meantime. They aren’t pensioners. They are choosing not to press.
9.) 04 Jan 2023 20:09:40
100% wassa.
10.) 04 Jan 2023 21:40:25
I couldn’t disagree more FPF. We get outrun against nearly every team we play against. We can do it in a one off game but that’s about it. If you ask Fabs, Hendo and Thiago to press 4 or 5 games in a row. All of them will be injured by mid Feb.
11.) 04 Jan 2023 22:22:33
Every player should press and be able to run. We don't just want players that can run; we want quality, too. It's about getting the right balance.
City have it with their three. We had it, to a lesser extent, a few seasons ago but our back five and front three were better than City's.
We need more athleticism and quality in all three areas but especially in midfield. Just one player can affect a whole team whether it's a new signing or one returning from injury. It might not be enough for us but things are not as bad as is being made out. I can't see it happening for us, though, so the players we've got will have to work that bit harder.
12.) 04 Jan 2023 23:18:00
One player can make all the difference. When you press it just takes one player to not block a passing lane and the guy in possession has an easy pass out and the press is beaten taking all of the pressing players out of the game.
This happens regularly down our right side.
Replace Elliott with a proper midfield player and you’ll be surprised by the results.
13.) 04 Jan 2023 23:47:50
markp08 - I agree that we lack the legs and recovery pace but not to the point that we are bottom of all running stats. These are elite athletes with the best facilities and sport science, and even at 30-32 can run plenty. There’s clearly something else going on too. While it will help, it’s not just a case of bringing in personnel.
14.) 05 Jan 2023 10:32:11
Rigsby, not sure anyone is talking about Pep’s book. We are talking about his wretched influence on the system we play which Klopp signed off on. If anything, it is Klopp that is to blame here cos Pep is nothing without him.
03 Jan 2023 16:40:28
Just going through the excuses from the usual suspects ?? We are terrible no excuses.
1.) 03 Jan 2023 16:56:55
I mean we aren’t terrible are we? Let’s not exaggerate.
If we are sitting sixth and are that terrible that’s a damning indictment of the league and at that point it isn’t really worth getting upset about is it.
2.) 03 Jan 2023 17:02:04
Not playing to our full potential would be a better way to describe us right now.
3.) 03 Jan 2023 17:03:55
We have a GOAT in GK, A potential GOAT in midfield, Another one upfront and one in defense and are chilling in mid table. If that’s not terrible I don’t know what it is. Wasting the prime years of some of these world class players not investing a penny.
#FSG for you.
4.) 03 Jan 2023 17:06:22
What excuses are those, ORT?
We played poorly and got beaten last night. We've been poor for much of this season and I know that you hate this team because of it but who's making excuses?
5.) 03 Jan 2023 17:28:28
Mid table, Enzo?
We're all allowed to get things of our chests but at least make sure it's actually true first.
We've enough to gripe about without making some more up ?.
6.) 03 Jan 2023 17:33:35
ORT delighted we've lost as usual.
7.) 03 Jan 2023 17:35:38
It's disappointing that this site is becoming very much like Twitter, the same comments you see on there we are starting to see on here. The IQ of poster on here is declining significantly.
8.) 03 Jan 2023 17:57:58
Klopp surely sits in the same conversation as the "Boot Room" managers. There's no one close to him in the last 30 years! He'd have my trust to run the football club for many years, and I'd certainly swallow a period of relative "struggle" for the amazing years that preceded them.
9.) 03 Jan 2023 17:59:22
This Liverpool team have been starting to creek since the beginning of the season. They have been unlucky with injures but that doesn’t disguise the fact they need a completely new midfield, CB and better support acts at full backs.
We also don’t yet know if the new signings up front in Nunez and Gakpo will prove good enough and that might also be an area that needs to be looked at again.
The big question will be is Klopp up to rebuilding the team? At Mainz when the team needed rebuilding he moved on and left it to Tuchel.
At BVB he tried to rebuild the team and it was something of a disaster with the club hovering around the relegation zone at Xmas.
10.) 03 Jan 2023 18:16:42
Not sure bvb and liverpool can be compared they sold all their best players to bayern!
11.) 03 Jan 2023 18:24:37
“ Wasting the prime years of some of these world class players not investing a penny.
#FSG for you. ” is this supposed to be ironic? Because it is plainly as fake news as anything I’ve read on here, and there has been some tripe over the years. Get a grip.
12.) 03 Jan 2023 18:52:24
Where did these GOATS come from?
Did the club invest in them?
13.) 03 Jan 2023 18:57:42
I thought the centrebacks were blameless because of the midfield and awful tactics?
14.) 03 Jan 2023 19:37:46
I don't like the idea of having a potential Goat in midfield. As Alan Hansen said, you don't win anything with 'kids'.
Yeah I know, i'll get my coat.
15.) 03 Jan 2023 19:41:30
GOAT are you for real? When are they coming? The midfielder and forward don’t make the top 30 of all time.
16.) 03 Jan 2023 20:29:57
Compared to how we have played and what we have achieved over the last lot of seasons then we ARE terrible.
17.) 03 Jan 2023 20:11:50
The point isn't whether they are GOATS are not. The point is we invested in these players but we are also accused of not investing in players.
18.) 03 Jan 2023 20:19:50
Terrible of course we are terrible, no one could call us ok. We have almost relegation away form and we are as near the bottom as the top. Terrible I think it’s very very kind I would call them something else.
19.) 03 Jan 2023 20:23:24
Ali is the GOAT of all keepers. No question asked
A peak VVD (before the injury) was the best center back in the world who lost the Blon D or by a single vote to Messi.
Thiago is world class. Oozes in class, played with and in all kind of system and set up. His vision is up there with some of the best midfielders in the world
Mohammad Salah will break all the goal scoring record for a winger in the league and certainly for LFC.
The common thing of all these players is that they are likely to end their career with just one EPL trophy.
Thank you FSG for that.
20.) 03 Jan 2023 20:39:07
Alisson is the greatest goalkeeper of all time? Surely not even the most blinkered Liverpool fan believes that.
21.) 03 Jan 2023 20:42:40
Thunderbird, it's not a blinkered Liverpool fan who's stating this, it's Harry. Who's come over to have a gloat now that we are in a bad spell.
Don't worry, he'll soon be off to the Man City pages to celebrate with all of his fellow fan (singular) over there.
22.) 03 Jan 2023 20:46:12
Wrong Rigsby
Coutinho sale got us VVD and others followed in thanks to our sale and revenue the club generates. The moment sale stopped we stopped recruiting or we started mortgaging assets for money.
FSG hasn’t put a single penny into the club. #HardTruth.
23.) 03 Jan 2023 20:46:14
@Enzo
Naming yourself after the latest twitter heart throb tells us everything.
Everyone knows we are not playing well. Everyone knows that we need a better midfield.
We played terrible last night. But it’s January and there’s a lot of football left to be played.
I can’t think of anyone I would rather have to sort the lads out then Klopp and I have complete faith that he will sort it out, one way or another.
We are not buying Enzo Fernandez. If that’s all you’re after then you are going to be very disappointed.
24.) 03 Jan 2023 20:46:48
I knew it must be a wind up.
25.) 03 Jan 2023 20:48:20
Ali is 10/ 10 in every aspect of goal keeping. Don’t give two flying pigs if there were people before the world war who did a job. Ali is currently the GOAT of goalkeepers.
{Ed025's Note - if football was invented 18 months ago then you are probably right enzo..
26.) 03 Jan 2023 20:52:18
Relegation away form? Is that even a thing, mark? You don't get relegated because of away form. We are sixth in the table. We are closer to top four than we are to bottom three.
Enzo, all those players were brought in by Klopp and FSG. Those players helped bring us our first title in thirty years. They helped bring us our sixth CL, too. Domestic cups 'n' all. I think we'd have a few more if it were not for City. And they'd have more if it were not for us.
27.) 03 Jan 2023 21:01:09
We are 7 points behind a Man U side that’s many posters we’re laughing at a couple of months ago. We are on course to get about 65points. If someone had said that at the start of the season no one would have believed it. Imo terrible is kind as I said. I the players are saying it’s no where near good enough, translated terrible.
28.) 03 Jan 2023 21:04:42
@ Enzo, Alisons not even the best keeper to play for Liverpool let alone be a goat. ?
When you really look into it vvd has had just 2.5 good seasons with us at a high.
29.) 03 Jan 2023 21:05:34
Standard. We haven't got or had a world class player since the biter was here.
30.) 03 Jan 2023 21:09:13
Enzo, did the Coutinho sale also bring in Diaz, Nunez and Gakpo?
I'm not clued up on our finances at all. I can't pretend otherwise.
I'm always willing to learn though.
So what's the story?
31.) 03 Jan 2023 21:14:57
We've been poor since the restart. We used the long season and short pre-season as an excuse before the WC. We had weeks to get ready for the restart w only few of our players seeing WC action. No excuses now for not being fresh and prepared. Teams will be taking points off each other this month but I don't have fatih in us getting wins at Brighton and Chelsea.
32.) 03 Jan 2023 21:16:39
Rigsby we are 16 points off the top and 16 points from the bottom. With all these great players and the greatest manager it’s embarrassing.
33.) 03 Jan 2023 21:17:37
We've had a world class team though.
34.) 03 Jan 2023 21:31:10
We did have a world class team but didn’t win enough PL’s or CL’s.
35.) 03 Jan 2023 22:03:46
Wow. Just wow. Some posters on here sound like my kids when I won’t get them a pack of sweets from the garage. Moaning and whinging about what you didn’t get and complete ignoring everything you have got and had.
That’s the problem with fans these days they somehow think that they are entitled to demand the owners spend billions on their latest Twitter love child and can’t wait for it to go wrong so they can bitch and moan to whoever will listen about how they haven’t got this and haven’t got that and should be winning every single game.
Millions of football fans would give anything to have a fraction of the success we’ve had under Klopp, stop acting like entitled children and try supporting the club you say you love.
{Ed025's Note - love it BP, nail on the head mate..
36.) 03 Jan 2023 22:05:39
How many is enough, mark?
We'd have won two more PLs were it not for City. An incredible City team and one of the best the PL has ever seen. I think we did well to win one and have done remarkably well to run them so close on the other occasions given their obvious advantages.
We also reached two other CL finals, as well as winning one, and City have reached just the one.
I think we have overachieved considering the money we have spent and I appreciate what we have achieved.
37.) 03 Jan 2023 22:30:09
Don't be embarrassed, mark.
I'm hoping that the players and manager can turn things around. They've done it before. We might need some reinforcements and I'm hoping that happens, too.
If we don't have hope then we don't have much really.
We might have to take a bit of stick or banter the way we are playing but it's not embarrassing just yet.
Head up, lad.
38.) 03 Jan 2023 23:19:44
I would stand by the fact that we are not terrible.
We are not playing appalling now - it’s just there is a noticeable drop from the quite brilliant form we’ve had over the last few years.
Frankly I think we’ve been spoilt by the ridiculous standard Liverpool and City have reached.
39.) 04 Jan 2023 03:13:08
I disagree Wassa. We are playing terribly at the moment, definitely not at the level that we know we are capable of.
But I do agree that we have been spoilt by the ridiculous standards we set with City the past few seasons. People always use the fact that we only won one PL during this time as a stick to beat us with but they fail to see that we are competing with a team that has seemingly infinite money. No other team in the PL can afford to have a £50mil player fail, write it off as a loss, and buy another £50mil replacement. The fact that we pushed them all the way to the final day of the season a few times should be commended. No other team even came close to that.
{Ed001's Note - people also forget that City's owners are so wealthy that they have been buying up teams in leagues all around the world simply to act as feeder clubs and to allow them to push the FFP regs further to pump more money in to City. They have pumped billions in and have shown no sign of stopping yet.}
40.) 04 Jan 2023 05:27:14
“I think we'd have a few more if it were not for City”
Wrong @Rigsby. We would have a few more had we had better depth of quality players. Klopp had to sacrifice Nabil Fekir for Shaqiri. Once it was clear the money went for Alison we couldn’t afford a player like Fekir.
{Ed001's Note - liar. You make up stories in your head constantly and spout this bull all over the pages until the eds get bored of your lies. When are you going to learn? The deal for Fekir did not fall through because of money. Everything was agreed between the clubs, personal terms were agreed, despite fears over his injury history, then the goalposts were moved by Fekir's camp. Nothing to do with being unable to afford him. Shaqiri cost the club more anyway. A little fact that escaped you as it doesn't suit your agenda to tell the truth does it?}
41.) 04 Jan 2023 07:30:45
Wow Ed, I didn't know the City group were doing that. I mean, I knew that they were buying up teams to be part of that group but didn't know that they were using it to circumvent the FFP rules. Thank you for sharing that bit of info.
@Harry, Nabil has personally came out and said what Ed has said. It had nothing to do with us trying to bring the price down. I think he said that his agent demanded more money from us after everything had been agreed so we pulled out of the deal.
42.) 03 Jan 2023 23:14:26
We all get frustrated Ed I certainly do but we have to appreciate how lucky we are to support a team that has won what we’ve won.
Some people have very short memories.
{Ed025's Note - Yeah BP i dont see that liverpool supporters have that much to moan about really mate..
43.) 04 Jan 2023 09:10:30
You're right, Enzo, we'd have had a couple more PLs if we had a better depth of quality players.
City had and have a better depth of quality players so we'd have had a couple more PLs were it not for City. Check the facts. The two seasons we finished second, City won it.
Do I need to point out the reasons why City have had a better depth of quality players than us?
44.) 04 Jan 2023 15:21:54
Rigsby, it’s not going to matter to Harry. That’s not what he’s here for. The fact that he is still talking about Fekir tells you the guys got nothing but made up porkies to post on here to make it sound like he knows stuff. Tedious repetitive porkies, really.
{Ed025's Note - i agree oli..
45.) 04 Jan 2023 17:34:35
Wilson's new musings.
31 Jan 2023 22:08:03
Absolute nonsense the highest bidder gets him and it won't be FSG.
31 Jan 2023 14:24:15
Minamino is it?
31 Jan 2023 13:07:19
A cheap mediocre player from the Austrian league would sound about right.
25 Jan 2023 09:51:39
More chance of me signing him for my grandsons Saturday morning team. This Bellingham nonsense needs to stop.
20 Jan 2023 07:48:27
He's just not the "right" player and hasn't made the list of player's they are "waiting" for.
31 Jan 2023 19:13:23
The proof will be in June.
31 Jan 2023 15:49:03
Why do you not want to stay at the top Mr Super Supporter Pecker. Why do you talk down to people that want to win? Me personally I just laugh at losers. Other losers think you're great for some strange reason.
26 Jan 2023 08:16:06
Gerrard wouldn't want to be number 2 to anyone. Great player but management I'm not so sure.
23 Jan 2023 14:21:06
Again Becker Pecker how long do we wait for the best player's in the World to be available. It's a question you ignore time and time again?
23 Jan 2023 11:43:44
Keita best player in Germany when we bought him ?? What utter nonsense. Thiago got player of the year when we paid a premium for Keita. He didn't even make team of the season.