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16 Aug 2023 15:07:41
Given recent events we seem to be linked to any and every DM going. Other than Doucoure another name being reported is Palinha from Fulham. I assume given his age (28) and recent injury he is unlikely?
{Ed002's Note - Joao Palhinha (DM/CM) Only moved last summer and Fulham will not look to sell unless a huge offer is made and the player asks for a move. It is known that Wolves still see him as a potential Neves replacement with Manchester United, West Ham and Newcastle sending scouts - and all declaring an interest. West Ham have held talks now Declan Rice has departed. Could be seen as a Fabinho replacement for Liverpool or even an alternative to Bellingham but right now I am not aware of interest being declared by them. Aston Villa offer a less attractive option as they look to a Doulas Luiz replacement.}
1.) 16 Aug 2023 16:29:34
Palinha is the one for me. get him In. 60m I believe but he's just turned 28 and in his prime right now. It's him or doucoure by all accounts and I'd be happy with either. But palinha is very very good. Just his age but united wasn't bothered when they got cassamero and he's certainly changed them.
2.) 16 Aug 2023 16:53:02
Thanks Ed002. As always much appreciated.
3.) 16 Aug 2023 16:55:43
Since FSG have owned the club, we have never paid such a fee for a 28 year old. Just can't see it.
4.) 16 Aug 2023 17:32:20
Did we pay such a fee for a 28 year old before FSG owned the club?
5.) 16 Aug 2023 17:38:32
If we get champions league after signing him that goes along way to pay the fee.
Sometimes you need a playe for right now, can't only keep buying youths .
6.) 16 Aug 2023 18:05:17
Too expensive for me so I’m glad the club isn’t looking at him but hey what do I know.
7.) 16 Aug 2023 20:13:15
Thankyou oh2b. we also need experience. And is 28 really old these days. How old was virg hendo Jimmy bobby ect when in their prime we won the league and champions league. I've nothing against the younger guys coming through but we need here and now players also.
Just my 2pence worth.
8.) 16 Aug 2023 20:19:09
Nah, 60m for a 28 year old when we can get Doucoure for the same price and 4/ 5 years younger? Nope, not for me.
24 May 2023 14:35:08
Hi eds just wondered have liverpool ever looked at Eberechi Eze at all? Appreciate midfield and defence are the priority for the summer but we seem to be overloaded on the left/ central striker positions with little to no cover for Salah. He's young, British and from what I've seen (albeit not alot) he seems talented and has the pace required.
{Ed002's Note - Eberechi Eze (CM/AM) Crystal Palace have no intention of selling the player. An enquiry from Spurs and another from Newcastle were turned away.}
1.) 24 May 2023 15:01:13
Thanks ed002, much appreciated.
02 Sep 2022 11:28:26
Sky sports article "Arthur is a low-risk gamble worth taking" says the deal comes with an option rather than obligation to buy. Everything I've read elsewhere just states its a loan. Can Eds clarify if there is infact an option to buy and at what price or is it just poor journalism?
{Ed001's Note - I am sure there is an option to buy. 100% sure in fact, the only person who said there wasn't was the conman Romano who is a shyster and should be ignored. The deal hinged on there being an option to buy, which is why we are paying over £4m as a loan fee.}
1.) 02 Sep 2022 12:56:14
Ed 1 if he does well do you see us paying the purchase price? Not really seen much and it gives him a chance to impress I guess as we will be in need of a few midfielders next season anyway if ox naby and Milner leave.
2.) 02 Sep 2022 13:00:14
Ed001 do you have any thoughts on Melo or - like most of us probably - have you not seen much of him?
{Ed001's Note - I saw him a fair bit for Barca but he never really seemed to settle so was not at it. Footage of him from Gremio makes him look special but he just hasn't been able to replicate it since moving to Europe. To be fair, Juve never played a way that suited him so that has turned out to be a mistake of a move.}
3.) 02 Sep 2022 13:58:35
Hope it works out, not sure we’ve had much success loaning players in the past - Nuri Sahin and Victor Moses spring to mind - but it’s good to have a ‘try before you buy’ option before wasting £35m or so!
4.) 02 Sep 2022 14:16:49
Anelka was the best loan we've had.
5.) 02 Sep 2022 16:04:48
Couldn't believe we didn't sign anelka permanent at time. I guessed he of his advisers was trouble behind the scenes but never heard anything like that about them since.
{Ed001's Note - there were no issues other than Houllier being Houllier. He was a typical schoolteacher and hated being questioned, Nic liked to ask questions so he could understand and would also make suggestions. Houllier really hated that. He just wanted people to say 'yes sir' and do what he told them. Shame as Anelka was brilliant, whereas Diouf was simply the worst player and human being ever to play for us.}
6.) 02 Sep 2022 16:40:45
Remember Gerrard not long since said. with anelka we would of won the league. He was on fire when on loan. Then houllier royally ****ed it up.
7.) 02 Sep 2022 16:50:24
Only 3 times from winning 18th to 19th league title did I believe we would win it. Once was after treble when Houllier blew it by signing Diouf and Diao instead of Anelka, second was when Benitez blew it by trying to get rid of Alonso and bring in the Villa lad and 3rd was when Rodgers had us blowing teams away and Gerrard slipped at Chelsea albeit when we were 3-0 up at palace I thought we might real in the goal difference. Anelka looked world class when he came to its for those 10 or so games. The next season was going to be the one.
8.) 02 Sep 2022 17:20:25
What really bugs me about Diouf is that he was recommended to Houllier by Patrice Burges, who had previously been a member of Houllier's coaching staff.
Clearly, Ged didn't at any point think to ask his mate Patrice why Diouf was already on his third professional club at just 21 years of age.
9.) 02 Sep 2022 21:07:00
Show some respect to a man who gave his all to this club and is no longer here. Its embarrassing to be a LFC supporter these days with people like magico around.
10.) 02 Sep 2022 18:10:57
A definite shame that ed1. I really liked anelka as a player, Suited us as well and by all accounts he liked it at liverpool. The sergent major approach only gets u so far, both houllier and benitez I would imagine like that. that's the beauty of klopp, his man management and attacking philosophy. Has his faults but pros massively outweigh the cons.
11.) 03 Sep 2022 00:02:13
Anelka was great for us, complete co. up by Houllier not signing him.
12.) 03 Sep 2022 00:12:45
I thought Arthur was vastly improved at Juventus with a higher work rate and doing a lot of defensive work with tackles and interceptions. Driving the ball forward constantly. At Barcelona (saw a few games when he first joined) I got the impression that he was trying to live up to the "new Xavi" moniker with small "tiki-taka" passes. Ended up just slowing the game down.
I suspect his salary is a major reason he has been shipped out by Juventus. Even after our loan fee of 4 Million, supposedly Juventus is still paying him too. Arsenal was strongly linked with him for a long time but they must have backed out after hearing the financial conditions.
13.) 03 Sep 2022 01:21:01
That 2002 summer window was a disaster. Diao, Cheyrou, Diouf. Supposedly the final pieces to the puzzle.
14.) 03 Sep 2022 01:56:44
@Babbity, to be fair almost every window is ‘the final piece in the puzzle’. Spot on about that window though mate - the pieces we bought were fo4 the wrong puzzle.
15.) 03 Sep 2022 15:45:06
Beg your pardon rambo. geuss you think just because he was a lovely guy and all that he didn't royally **** up letting anelka go and buying diouf.
16.) 03 Sep 2022 16:45:13
Even lovely guys make mistakes.
17.) 04 Sep 2022 14:07:36
Lads, Houllier was a nice bloke, and he loved the club, but he was not a good manager.
He spent a fortune (at the time) to gut and replace most of the squad he inherited and we had one season where we better in the league than we had been under Evans. One. And by the end he'd fallen out with pretty much every player apart from Stevie and Carra. He was hamstrung by a useless owner and Chief Exec tbf (Parry's first contribution to Liverpool was to try and block the signing of McAllister cos he didn't understand it), but he wasn't good enough in his own right either.
I'm a nice bloke who loves the club, but that doesn't make me fit to replace Klopp.
18.) 04 Sep 2022 14:07:36
Lads, Houllier was a nice bloke, and he loved the club, but he was not a good manager.
He spent a fortune (at the time) to gut and replace most of the squad he inherited and we had one season where we better in the league than we had been under Evans. One. And by the end he'd fallen out with pretty much every player apart from Stevie and Carra. He was hamstrung by a useless owner and Chief Exec tbf (Parry's first contribution to Liverpool was to try and block the signing of McAllister cos he didn't understand it), but he wasn't good enough in his own right either.
I'm a nice bloke who loves the club, but that doesn't make me fit to replace Klopp.
19.) 04 Sep 2022 19:48:29
Something "FORGOT", Houllier was not a good manager? He won Three major trophies in 2001 UEFA Cup, FA Cup, Worthington Cup (now called the Carabao Cup) . He also finished third in the PL that season and it was the first time since the early nineties that LFC were back in the Champions League. He won one more trophy than JK last year, so what does that make JK who only won two last season on your basis.
In 2001 he also added the UEFA Super Cup and Charity Shield, Five major honours and he wasn't a good manager, are you having a funny half hour?
20.) 05 Sep 2022 09:59:32
Houllier was a good manager, but you need a great one to win leagues. I can understand why he felt the need to assert his authority early on to establish himself at the club, but the problem is that his inherent insecurity never subsided. Far too often he allowed personal issues between him and a player to end up with that player being replaced by an inferior player whose primary virtue was him being prepared to shut up and do as he was told. I'm not sure having Thommo as his number two did him any favours in that regard, either.
Look at how Klopp handles challenge and dissent - he won't stand for a lack of discipline, but he'll listen to alternative points of view. He'll allow players to contribute their ideas, and he doesn't feel the need to take credit for everything that works. I recall several times in past seasons when Klopp credited the players for a specific move or routine; can't imagine Houllier ever doing that. And that's not a small point, because it's not just giving credit in the post-match interview, it's about fostering an environment where players feel empowered to try things.
Not winning the league (and in truth, not ever really getting us especially close to winning it) keeps him from the top tier of Liverpool managers. His record stands up well against the rest, maybe second only to Rafa in that respect. I'm giving Rafa the edge for (1) the Champions League (yes, largely Houllier's squad, but I don't think it can be argued we'd have won in 2005 if Houllier was still there), and (2) the 2008/ 9 season felt like us getting a lot closer to the league than we ever did under Houllier.
21.) 06 Sep 2022 12:26:11
CP1975, Wasn’t there to a degree a requirement of Houllier to be a authoritarian, Due to the “spice boys” tag the team picked up? If memory serves me correctly he took over that period?
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14 Aug 2023 20:08:54
At what point do we consider playing Gomez at DM ?.
1.) 14 Aug 2023 20:19:06
The next game after Chelsea buy every DM in world football ? and only for that game because afterwards Gomez will move to Chelsea.
2.) 14 Aug 2023 20:19:16
I think there’s still some good options out there. I like the look of fofana and zubimendi. Still plenty of time left in the window so hope we don’t panic because of the embarrassment over the caicedo and Lavia deals.
3.) 14 Aug 2023 20:22:16
Or right back and play TAA there.
4.) 14 Aug 2023 20:23:56
After twelve pints, before the realisation that a taxi home is more of a consideration.
5.) 14 Aug 2023 21:17:10
Trent at defensive midfield would be a disaster.
14 Aug 2023 18:18:20
So my thoughts on the last few days is that money talks. Yes Chelsea are arguably an elite club with their own draw from recent history without the money but when you have an owner willing to pay relatively untested young players over £200k a week for the next 6-8 years that will trump all else. Its not just chelsea either with the Saudi league buying in some top talent to play in a sub par division for outrageous amounts of money. Who can blame them though. If you take the rose tinted glasses of and you were offered 2 jobs one of which pays double the other, 9 times out of 10 you'll go for them.
That all said I think their needs to be some serious questions asked of the recruitment team. Why on earth they spent 2 weeks bidding for lavia going up increments of £2-3m when they new the price wouldn't budge knowing they had the money available to then go and try and outbid team owned by a cash splashing billionaire for a player they had shown no interest in baffles me beyond belief. They should have focused on lavia, paid the price and got the deal done. I don't know how much Jorg was involved with all of this but he's meant to be heading this and I think it's fair to say he's out of his depth.
Not sure how we recover this window and I'm sure this will have a knock on effect on the pitch with the general mood around the club being in the gutters.
1.) 14 Aug 2023 18:52:32
Agree mate, I like it when we do business quietly without any fuss. The whole MC and RL saga has proved to be nothing but an unwanted distraction. Keep your business private please in the future, we win some and no doubt lose some but airing it all in public gives the haters / doubters the proverbial stick to beat the club with. Going to be a long two weeks, keep the faith and cross those fingers.
2.) 14 Aug 2023 21:06:36
I think it’s really important we don’t transfer fan feeling to the players. This whole “12th man” idea can’t just be a thing when it works to inspire a comeback.
26 Dec 2019 22:54:33
Note too self next time try to edit post without accidentally pressing send. Was a great performance tonight. Out of all the positives I'm most made up for Gomez. After square tomatoe hinting his dip in form was more than just because of injury as well as all the abuse he recieved after the sterling fiasco I thought he deserved to catch a break more than most. So glad to see him returning to his imperious form and forming that solid partnership with VD again resulting in the clean sheets racking up. He looked self assured, composed and in control, long may it continue.
On a separate note I read we have been given permission to wear the gold club world cup shield on our shirt for one prem game. Not sure if it works like this but out of interest who would people choose to wear it against and why?
{Ed0666's Note - I’d wear the shield against City or United mate. Either one would be equally satisfying.
1.) 27 Dec 2019 01:33:38
Manchester United, always.
30 May 2018 10:02:30
Hey eds just to change topics from the usual who are we going to sign today, I was wondering if you could shed some light on the pay structure for players when on international duty.
When I was young I naively believed players represented their country simply out of pride however, I'm assuming that is far from the case. So how does it work, do players have contracts with the FA? Is it a set wage or does it differ between players that are gatunteed starters versus say standby players? Are agents involved in negotiation and thereby agents fees involved?
Thanks in advanced.
{Ed002's Note - An interesting question. Players either don't get paid or get a smallish match fee that varies country to country. For many years it was the norm to not pay the players but in recent years the higher profile nations pay a match fee typically based on results. I am not sure what England pay at present but it is something like £2k for a win, £1k for a draw and £500 if they lose. One England player persuades some if not all of the others to donate the monies they get to charity. The French side do the same and it would not be unreasonable to expect that the higherprofile the other sides like Germany, Italy and Spain do the same. The African nations won't pay any fees. Some nations will pay bonuses for doing well in competition. Several times in the past I recall tournament bonuses paid by sponsors being gifts of watches, cars and the like. Now the players would be given a significant bonus (£500k or whatever) for winning the World Cup.}
1.) 30 May 2018 11:45:49
Ed once again thanks for sharing your knowledge. Also I'm glad to hear that it seems that national football is the one element left that hasn't been conpletely corrupted by money and agents and that a lot of players actually donate their fees to charity.
2.) 30 May 2018 12:31:42
Like the idea nafe but unfortunately you’re wrong. maybe not the majority of the players but the country FIFA officials are as corrupt as anything.
3.) 30 May 2018 12:36:26
Great question from Nafe01 and a very insightful reply from ED02.
Thanks ED02.
18 Oct 2016 11:35:26
Regardless of the result there were some interesting points that came out of last nights performance. Firstly I think was quite aparant how much we missed Gini in midfield. Unfortunately for Can, Hendo has got the deep sitting midfielder role sewn up and I think it was very apparent that Can was not mobile enough to pull of his role. He got caught way to many times lacking enough pace and the ability turn a distribute the ball effectively. Although he improved in the second half I'm pretty certain Can will either have to work hard on acceleration and stamina or have to accept he's only a squad player now.
Another one is sturridge. Although he is obviously a fantastic forward with natural finishing abilities I think he's going to struggle to get game time when everyone is fit. Pressing just does not seem to be his game and against top clubs that will effect our overall ability to play our system. I could easily see him being allowed to leave in the summer which is a shame as I rate him. Just don't think he's compatible to klopps system.
Lastly I find it highly satisfying knowing that after spending ridiculous amounts of money on players Man U are now the ones that are happy with a draw. Years gone by have seen Man U ride the tide during the first half and then nick a second half winner. Glad to see we didn't collapse and concede when things weren't going our way. As klopp said in pre match interview, we're not an experienced side but we're becoming experienced. Hopefully we're becoming a team that can ride out the tough games and come away with a result. Onwards and upwards.
1.) 18 Oct 2016 13:00:49
Couldn't agree more.
2.) 18 Oct 2016 14:15:33
Agree on most of that but Can was in his first game back after a pretty long time out, he was definitely rusty but obviously a bit behind the rest of the ram both in fitness and understanding. Wini's quick transitions and attack support was certainly missed.
3.) 18 Oct 2016 15:46:34
Is wiji out for long?
Its obvious Klopp rates him highly.
4.) 18 Oct 2016 16:20:25
Think sturridge will be gone and probably abroad come January he doesn't suit this play and because we're not playing to his strengths he is struggling i also think Ings would of been perfect for that match. One question Steven Gerrard did drag liverpool to some good cup wins but why do the kop have to sing that Gerrard song Dalgliesh has done more and i don't hear songs about him or other legends i'd rather a song naming all our greats. Lot of respect for what he did but its a song that's not going to lift the team and especially when the team we're up against change the lyrics to.
5.) 18 Oct 2016 17:02:41
Where once we watched King Kenny play.
6.) 18 Oct 2016 17:39:58
Spot on, Nafe. I do think Can was rusty and it was obvious that he needs match sharpness. As for Studge, many have said he doesn`t fit the way Klopp wants his strikers to play and yesterday was evidence of that. The difference was clear when Firmino moved in there and lallana was put on. He will struggle IMO and it will be a matter of time before he is shipped out even tho, I expect that he will get chances to prove many of us wrong. As for Utd and Mou, Fergie must be puking in his mouth and swallowing it at the same time with the tripe his club served up last night. The most expensive team ever assembled literally played like a bottom feeder club just happy to not get smashed. And some of their fans are trying to spin it as a masterclass. If that was a masterclass, what should we label Pep who on the road at OT, put out a clinic on how modern day football should be played against Mou or Klopp who went against the same Moou last season at the Bridge needing a win and not only went for it, he got it by playing fluid football and smashing his team to tiny bits hence, contributing to his sacking? LVG would have been sacked this morning after that disaster but because it`s Mou, the fans and media give him a pass. Pathetic!
7.) 18 Oct 2016 17:58:25
@swishcleaner. Yeah totally understand he's been out with an injury and still lacking match fitness. However, his playing style doesn't offer the attributes gini gives and the position he plays. If anything I think it was just a case of injuries forced klopp into playing him there. In most cases I think he's battling it out with hendo for the deep lying midfield position but again think it unlikely he'll oust hendo. I must admit I was one of those that questioned ginis signing however last night showed how much pace we lack in midfield without him.
8.) 18 Oct 2016 18:15:05
I agree Can was a bit rusty but I think having no Lallana and Couts playing deeper had a bigger impact.
I was actually happy with Cans forced inclusion as i'd thought we'd need his extra physicality and height against Pogs and elbows. Think he did ok in that respect but he his slow transition in receiving the ball and moving it on cost us some chances of a quick counter. Wini is much more effective in this area.
But Can does bring those forward bursts to the fore. Which did seem to unsettle the opposition a bit and draw them out of position. Sometimes these runs were our main threat, particularly in the 1st half.
All in all I'm glad he's back and i'm certainly looking forward to seeing him regain match sharpness.
9.) 18 Oct 2016 19:15:36
Dalglish is our greatest ever player imo.
But he was part of probably the finest British team ever.
In Stevies era unfortunately the club picked wrong owners and some poorer managers.
Gerards loyalty to his boyhood club showed his star quality when he could have had his pick of any club in Europe.
And he was the driving force all through through all the earlier rounds for Istanbul.
He's still a local fan made good who is grateful to the club.
That strikes a huge chord with LFC fans who are the best in the world.
{Ed041's Note - Dalglish was amaing and could play and win title in any era for me mate
10.) 19 Oct 2016 10:46:35
Hi ed41.
I agree with you 100% about Dalglish.
But I also think that Gerrard would have been good enough to play in any era.
Tks.
28 Jan 2024 21:38:25
I find it odd seeing a few posts calling for lijnders to be given the role when last season everyone was bemoaning his influence on Klopp towards tactics played and kicking off about the release of his book. Back then any tactical change was attributed to his influence and it seemed many slammed him for taking us away from Klopps ethos of "heavy metal" football. I personally would look for a clean break. He'd be under immense pressure to maintain the status quo and any failures would bring immense pressure immediately. I'm not sure he has the experience or gravitas to manage that yet.
16 Aug 2023 16:53:02
Thanks Ed002. As always much appreciated.
15 Aug 2023 09:43:09
Sorry just seen your previous post. Thanks Ed002.
24 May 2023 15:01:13
Thanks ed002, much appreciated.
30 May 2018 09:44:17
Im sure something was said by one of the eds or someone in the know a few years ago saying that he wasnt a very progressive coach and was using outdated GK training techniques but I maybe wrong.
Also his appointmemt to the first team coincided with Reinas decline in form and probably worst of all he was he played a major role in the targeting of Mignolet as he had been supposedly tracking him for a number of years. However, he is one of the few GK coaches to have attained his UEFA pro licence and was one of the only backroom staff members kept on by Klopp from Rodgers time so he must be doing something right, just not sure what.
Personally after overseeing the decline or stagnation of 3 GKs (4 if you include Ward) I think there should be a change however, as Klopp seems to be a big fan of his that seems unlikely to happe anytime soon.
14 Apr 2024 16:11:49
This post didn't age well.
07 Aug 2023 17:35:45
People aren't obsessed with Lavia. They're obsessed that the "rebuild" promised, hasn't materialised. The issue is that rightly or wrongly the media built up the Bellingham signing and liverpool did nothing to dissuade it until they finally publicly pulled out of it by suggesting they needed to fund a rebuild and not spend their entire budget on one player. We've now had 6 midfield players leave and have only bought in 2. Whilst those two are good additions they are not enough. We also need defensive cover which hasn't materialised and its now less than a week to the start of the season. Also I can't for one second believe Klopp sanctioned the unplanned sales of Hendo and Fabs without being giving assurances that they would be replaced and if they're not that is a recipe for a broken relationship between manager and board.
07 Jun 2023 21:19:31
The only silver lining I can't take from this is at least he didn't end up at city. I bet FSG are relieved because if city had snapped him up for £88 mil after getting halaand on the cheap we probably would've started the season with protests and walkouts regardless of who else we sign.
07 Jun 2023 16:29:29
Its £88m and would only reach £115 based on performance related add-ons (if reports are to be believed) .
Its all well and good giving slah and mane as examples but you could just as easily throw virg and Ali in the same discussion where we spent top dollar on our top targets and were arguably the signings that turned us into genuine title contenders.
No point crying over spilt milk, Bellingham has gone to Real and nothing will change it. That said I think its very short sighted and we are missing out on a generational talent that has the best part of a decade of developing even further in front of him.
17 Feb 2023 20:48:30
Out of interest and one for the Eds. The media seem to be reporting things which suggest Man U have a plethora of potential bidders but no takers for us. Now I appreciate the media's knowledge is far from the full picture but if that is the case I'm genuinely wondering why? Both clubs are one of the 2 most successful British clubs but on paper Man U seem the worst option. They need significant infrastructure investment (we dont), is well behind us in business marketing aspects, has a larger amount of debt and we recently overtook them in annual revenue I believe. It genuinely confuses me as whilst we need a squad overhaul Ten Hag will want funds as well, plus both clubs are located in the less than desirable mid West. Is there any reason that I'm just not seeing?
{Ed002's Note - There is interest in both clubs and some of that interest is the same. Manchester United is furthger ahead in the process than Liverpool - but there remains significant interest in the club.}