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06 Dec 2023 10:18:00
Few rumours flying about that Klopp is leaning towards playing Trent solely in midfield. If that was the case, what would you do at right back? Bring Bradley into the team and hope he’s up to the task? Or look to buy a right back?

Not many right backs I can think of off the top of my head who would be available but did read somewhere that frimpong of Leverkusen has a release clause that activates in the summer.

JK_RED

1.) 06 Dec 2023 12:16:57
Gomez, initially at least.


2.) 06 Dec 2023 12:21:25
Bradley all day long looks a great little player already and deserves his chance. The lad couldn’t have done anymore than he’s done.


3.) 06 Dec 2023 12:28:48
Frimpong plays as a rwb and although is putting up attacking numbers, isn’t exactly solid at the back. I guess the question is there a better DM or RB on the market? I suspect RB is easier to source, but is Trent a sure thing as 6?


4.) 06 Dec 2023 12:53:52
From pre season I’d say his plan always Trent in midfield with Bradley at RB and then Bradley’s injury saw an end to that.


5.) 06 Dec 2023 14:19:28
If Matip is going to be out for a while I think Gomez might get a run at CB so it would have to be Bradley at RB.


6.) 06 Dec 2023 14:21:59
Not sure where Bradley is in his comeback. I'd certainly be looking to get him game time as he is the RB that fits our style better as RB I think.

But Gomez has been great so I would start him with Bradley getting Gametime in behind to impress (cup and sub appearances) . In any case Konate will get injured soon enough so there ll be Gametime for both. I know that sounds harsh but it will probably be true.


7.) 06 Dec 2023 14:33:39
Personally, I would rather give Bradley a run at right back over Gomez. Bradley has a good delivery whereas that’s not Gomez’s strength.


8.) 06 Dec 2023 14:59:38
Personally, I don't believe there is a plan to move Trent into midfield. I think Klopp (probably more so his coaches) are trying to create advantages in areas of the pitch. We started out with a full-blooded gegenpress (2015-2019), moved to playmaking/ advanced fullbacks with two high-intensity pressing no8s (2017-2020), uber-high lines and right sided overload with Trent starting to invert at times (2020-2022) and now to this press-baiting system which shifts between 433 and 3box3 by moving Trent about.

While I don't have a crystal ball, it wouldn't surprise me if we're just as likely to try and mould Bajcetic to mimic Trent's ability to switch between those positions than we are to move Trent into midfield and sign/ use a conventional rightback.

If we're going to make a good fist of this approach, we will need to ensure we have the centrebacks to play it well, consistently.

And we are not the only team doing this kind of stuff. Zinchenko inverts for Arsenal, Stones for City and Porro does it for Spurs. Whether it is a good idea or not - we will find out.


9.) 06 Dec 2023 18:05:46
What FPF said. If Trent moves into midfield we’re not going to get an attacking RB who bombs up the wing and puts crosses in, other wise we’d use Trent for that! We’ll get a defender who can defend.


10.) 06 Dec 2023 19:14:13
So much depends on the system. If Trent's going midfield full time there are plenty of fullbacks out there that do what Robertson does on the left side down the right. I don't really mind what formation we play just so long as it doesn't involve a fullback inverting. Of all the transitional positional systems used in years gone by and currently a fullback also being a central midfielder is up there with the worst. Said it before and will die on this hill - Trent is made to take Hendo's place on the right of the midfield 3. Only problem then is we have to many midfielders unless we go permanent back 3box3 which I would be in favour of.


11.) 06 Dec 2023 19:26:25
Play him in goal if it meant us winning all the time . Obviously I’m being sarcastic.
Point im trying to make is that I think Trent has now proved he can play anywhere and influence a game and il be honest I don’t think he’s as bad at defending as people make out I just think he tries harder in attack . So that’s one thing klopp must keep on top of if he is to stay at rb is that he puts in as much effort defensively as offensively.

I think he’s just quality and key to us and silverware in the near future ??.


12.) 07 Dec 2023 00:15:21
We also have Ramsay to come back after his loan spell. I think there's a cracking player there if he keeps his head down, stays humble and works hard.


13.) 07 Dec 2023 08:26:40
Klopp's given an interview that suggests Trent won't be moving into midfield at this point.


14.) 07 Dec 2023 08:49:05
@FPF, I believe Klopp himself, less than 48 hours ago said Trent would play wherever was best for Liverpool. What I read into that was that Trent would move between positions depending upon the team we were playing against and the strategy we would employ in each game - sometimes as a right back, sometimes inverted, sometimes not, sometimes in midfield, sometimes not. It seems that he isn’t going to be ‘pigeon holed ‘ as a player who plays in one position which I think is a really good approach as it enables us to make Trent as effective as possible but also adds another thing for our opposition to think about, whenever they have to try to figure out how we’re going to play.


15.) 08 Dec 2023 20:15:39
Ed1 - if OP is correct don’t have any sense whether we’d be moving Trent into 6? And therefore we’d not consider buying a 6? I’m ok with not buying and would hope we don’t if Trent does move to midfield as we’d suddenly have a stacked midfield again!

{Ed001's Note - I am not sure what you are asking here. Sorry.}


16.) 10 Dec 2023 01:38:48
Ed1 - sorry couple typos and a poorly phrased thought/ question from me lol

1- do you have any insight as to where Klopp would want Trent to play in midfield? Is it CDM?

2- if that is the case then I’m assuming that means we wouldn’t be in the market for a new CDM?

{Ed001's Note - as a deep lying playmaker, not a defensive midfielder as such. So it might not mean that at all, depends on whether he wants options for different games.}


 

 

16 Aug 2023 10:00:54
Ed002, seeing a lot of talk regarding Cheick Doucoure but nothing super reliable, are we interested?

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - Cheick Doucoure (DM/CB) Has major language issues that need resolving in the coming months. Crystal Palace have told Monaco, who want him to replace Fofana, that he is not for sale. Only moved to Crystal Palace last summer convinced he would not get a move to PSG that he desired. Although they have added Ugarte, PSG are still looking for a versatile defensive oriented midfield player having decided Verratti can leave and CD is considered an option and was discussed during a meeting about another player. Attractive to Atletico Madrid due to the Cotonou Agreement as an alternative to Amrabat for them. Potentially on the list of options for Liverpool but I am not aware of any approach to Crystal Palace at this time. Language certificate for England not yet issued and deferred by Crystal Palace until January 2024. Crystal Palace will not want to sell unless someone will pay well over the odds for him. Thuram seen as a potential replacement.}


1.) 16 Aug 2023 11:48:58
How much is "pay well over the odds" for Palace to reconsider Ed? 60M to 80M?

{Ed002's Note - They will look for £70M knowing that their ideal replacement is probably not going to be possible.}


2.) 16 Aug 2023 11:59:37
Ex2 - did you mean Thurman is seen a replacement at crystal palace for CD?

{Ed002's Note - Yes.}


3.) 16 Aug 2023 12:13:35
Is this language problem that bad Ed? I've read that Nunez had the same problem last season. Has that problem lessen?

{Ed002's Note - I have no idea about Nunez but they need a language certificate, ideally within 12 months else within 3 years but that becomes a huge problem with oversight and reporting.}


4.) 16 Aug 2023 14:28:35
Surprised Bobby got away with this language certificate. Took him 10 years to manage an interview.


5.) 16 Aug 2023 14:55:03
They turned a blind eye for Bobby Red_Finance because of that none look goal.


6.) 16 Aug 2023 17:10:57
Ed002, why is language certificate important?

{Ed002's Note - It is a UK Government Home Office requirement and gels avoid folks coming in to live off the State or work illegally.}


7.) 16 Aug 2023 18:46:49
What do you make as Thuram as a DM ed anything i’ve seen from him makes me think he’d be so much better with a licence to carry the ball forward and play around the edge of the box rather than sitting in front of a defence.

{Ed002's Note - it is not really like that- he is versatile and would be a great addition in my view.


 

 

01 Aug 2023 14:06:49
According to fabrizio Romano, we have bid £42m for lavia, Southampton will reject the bid as they insist they will only accept £50m. It’s getting to the point where we either need to pay the money or look at other options. I get that we need to try and negotiate but when a team says they categorically will not accept lower than £50m, low balling is not going to work!

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - From what they have said I understand that they will accept £48M but want £50M still.}


1.) 01 Aug 2023 14:17:36
And obviously Liverpool know this and continue to send lowball offers knowing they will be rejected. Time is of the essence, the season starts in less than 2 weeks and we are without a recognised number 6!

{Ed025's Note - spot on JK.. hi in


2.) 01 Aug 2023 14:20:11
According to some reports that 42m is with addons so likely under 40m initially but talks are ongoing still. must still believe a deal is possible.


3.) 01 Aug 2023 14:34:47
So we spent a week deciding to go in low when there’s loads of teams after him brilliant!


4.) 01 Aug 2023 14:36:11
Ed’s, any idea why we are so persistent to get involved in protracted negotiations? I thought it would be beneficial just to pay the £48m and get the lad integrated into the squad if we really want him. I am sure I read that he wanted to join so not sure all this messing around is doing anyone any good.


5.) 01 Aug 2023 14:36:17
After receiving 52m on Hendo and Fab, why is LFC still toying around? Do they not see Lavia valued at 50m? They should just move on and look at alternatives.


6.) 01 Aug 2023 15:09:45
It’ll be interesting to see what Lavia actually goes for if or when he is sold.


7.) 01 Aug 2023 14:59:03
Ed002 if they said they would accept £48m is that all in one go or with add ons, I see something on the internet that they wanted £40m and then add ons.
But I would rather listen to you rather that web crap. I don’t get how we bid what we did the other day then it takes nearly a week to up are bid by about £3m. We should have got this sorted out it’s not as if there is a massive gap In are bid and what they want. I under stand Chelsea and Brighton taking there time as they are starting a good bit apart but this is very poor from us considering the money just brought in for Henderson and Fabinho I bet with the saving on there two’s massive wages would nearly pay for his transfer over a 5 year contract.

{Ed002's Note - There is a reason they want £50M. I understand £48M might be acceptable and they are talking to others about their interest. The situation with Caicedo is very different.


8.) 01 Aug 2023 16:01:22
Ed002 yeah there was a £30m gap between Chelsea offer and the £100m Brighton want Ed but at least Chelsea upped there bid by an amount worth bidding are new bid was a total waste of everybody’s time.


9.) 01 Aug 2023 16:41:24
What about the money Chelsea have brought in?


10.) 01 Aug 2023 17:20:06
Really looking forward to the £44m bid next week!


11.) 01 Aug 2023 17:51:52
£42m is not low balling. You're talking about a kid with less than 30 Prem games in the bank, and in his most recent competitive game he played a blind pass across his own penalty area allowing Jota to stroll onto it and score.

Lavia is not worth £50m. I hope the club move on because we have better players at a similar age (Bajcetic) . We're not low balling anyone. Southampton are trying to rinse someone for what is currently an average Premier League midfielder with the potential to be good in 2 or 3 years. If he was a £50m midfielder Southampton wouldn't be in the Championship right now.

This would literally be like Liverpool asking £50m for Tyler Morton because he's looked alright in 10 games in the Prem/ Champions League, and 30 games in the Championship. It's crazy talk. Are we really that desperate for new signings that we're encouraging the club to sign a Lavia for £50m? Mac Allister helped Argentina to a World Cup, and Brighton to a top 7 finish and even he didn't cost that much. Take a step back and think about this for a moment before making throw away statements like "low balling".

{Ed025's Note - the original bid was nowhere near £42m MK..


12.) 01 Aug 2023 18:18:29
@MK it is low balling if the selling club say they have no intention of selling below £50m. You may not believe he is worth that much and fair enough but they do and they hold all the cards.


13.) 01 Aug 2023 18:16:42
Good Ed025, he's not worth anything like £42m. I have never understood the hype. He's decent for his age but he's not worth more than a World Cup winner because he had a good compilation on MNF analysis once. You see this every single year with a DM that has a decent game and Carra/ Neville nosh them off. Bissouma the year before wasn't it? Best player outside the big 6 they called him. Year before that everyone and his dog wanted Ndidi but Leicester actually kept hold of him and fat lot of good that's done them taking them to the Championship. Seen exactly the same with Kalvin Phillips as well (same summer as Bissouma i think) and then he was crucified publically by Pep after his City move for actually being an overweight training dummy.

It's always the same. Just media nonsense hyping up average Prem midfielders. So many clubs just seem desperate for the next Kante-esque gem but simple fact is that most of the time it is a one season wonder. They've pulled me in previously but I'm not buying into it anymore. Therefore spending mega bucks on a DM with one good season in the bank is just not something I'm going to jump behind. This year is just Lavia and Caicedo's turn for baseless hype.

We'd be wise to walk away if Southampton are living in complete and utter delusion.

{Ed025's Note - im not saying hes all that MK as i have not really seen much of him mate but liverpool obviously want him and know the price, i just think if you know the price they are looking for you have to at least be in the ballpark, if you dont think hes worth that then dont even bid..


14.) 01 Aug 2023 18:56:17
I sort of agree Ed025. But I'd liken it to selling a car. If you spend all summer asking for £5000 with no luck or concrete interest, and then somebody eventually rocks up offering £3700-4200 that gives you a decision to make. Some might just take it, others might not.

If Southampton want to hold firm on £50m then that is absolutely their perogative but i just think it's disingenuous to call it low balling. Surely not one person here actually watched Lavia square a pass to Jota and said "Yupp, that's the relegated kid i want to pay £50m for". Just because Southampton value him at that, means nothing. He's clearly not worth that to any interested party or a deal would've been done by now. On the flip side though, if Saints hold out until the end of the summer there is a chance buying clubs might become desperate and in my opinion, overpay. I simply hope that it isn't Liverpool who get desperate and overpay!

Having said all that the alternative seems to be a Brazilian lad I'd never heard of until Ed002 memtiomed him, so maybe we should just go with Trent in midfield and give up on a new DM because the market appears to have been wrecked by Rice going for £105m.


15.) 01 Aug 2023 20:05:19
So we sell a captain for 12 mill and Southampton want 50 mill for a player that could go tits up after a season walk away the lad worth 10 mill at most never mind what edd 25 says if clubs don't make a stand clubs in near future will be asked 200 mill for players like this lad . And edds 25 that is why your club are in such a state paying well over the odds for players that really should of resulted in your demotion .

{Ed025's Note - but it never Albey, despite the failings of our board and owner we are still top flight mate, because we are EVERTON, the pride of merseyside, knock us down if you wish but we always rise like a phoenix from the ashes.. :)


16.) 01 Aug 2023 20:37:25
City have a 20% sell on clause so £50m would get southampton 40m. Offer them a 44m loan fee and a obligation to buy for a tenner ??.


17.) 01 Aug 2023 20:40:35
Could the Lavia delay help with raising finances, the wage bill has been reduced, a few weeks of delay would raise the difference to what we are offering and Southampton want ?

Ed’s if you don’t mind, re AT, I’ve read that he is a DM but can play CM too, can you offer an opinion on this point please re AT a DM as pointed out above it’s Lavia or AT, but is AT more versatile?

Regarding AT settling in, Ali could help and the other South American players would too.


18.) 01 Aug 2023 20:42:52
Talking some sense there, MKS. Btw, clubs do this all the time but when LFC do it, it's a problem.


19.) 01 Aug 2023 20:40:35
Could the Lavia delay help with raising finances, the wage bill has been reduced, a few weeks of delay would raise the difference to what we are offering and Southampton want ?

Ed’s if you don’t mind, re AT, I’ve read that he is a DM but can play CM too, can you offer an opinion on this point please re AT a DM as pointed out above it’s Lavia or AT, but is AT more versatile?

Regarding AT settling in, Ali could help and the other South American players would too.


20.) 01 Aug 2023 21:26:53
Time to walk away I think. I like the look of Lavia, the HG factor plays a part as does City’s sell on clause but what Southampton are asking is to much. I’d leave the offer on the table and start looking at alternatives. Southampton will surely know now is the time to cash in.


21.) 01 Aug 2023 21:38:05
@Ed25’, point of order if I may - Everton are in the top flight, however, Everton themself are far from top flight ?.

{Ed025's Note - "form is temporary" WDW, agreed we are a sleeping giant and are in desperate need of some magic beans, but sooner or later as Arnie said..."we will be back" mate.. :)


22.) 01 Aug 2023 23:07:34
At last MK some sense. It seems that Liverpool fans just expect us to throw money around even when it’s not warranted just because a selling club says that’s what they want yet when we are holding out for a fee for one of our own players we are pricing them out of a move and blocking their progress!

If this kid is worth £50m and all of these other clubs really are interested then why hasn’t one of them just bid £50m and got a deal done? Maybe because they, like us, are not willing to have their pants pulled down by Southampton. At least we have tried to negotiate a more realistic price (which is still way over what I would consider the right price) . The other so called interested parties haven’t even done that!

Some fans just look for any reason they possibly can to castigate the club. We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.


23.) 01 Aug 2023 23:12:47
MK - I'm with you 100%. The idea that we should just bend over and pay 50mil for an unproven 19yr old just cos that's what the selling club says is ludicrous. And actually, I think the real issue is that people are allowing their anxiety to be dictated by things they can't control.

Now in saying all that, I am on board with signing the kid. I think he has great future and potential, but if we walk away because we can't find a happy compromise between our valuation and what Southampton would accept, then so be it.


24.) 02 Aug 2023 08:18:20
You couldn't make it up just reading this and ping now Saints want circa 60 mill for Lasagne, sod that put a bid in for Barella instead, definitely taking the pizza out of us Southampton.


 

 

23 Jul 2023 22:38:04
Ed002, lot of talk today about palhinha from Fulham. Unfortunately it seems he has just dislocated his shoulder in a pre season friendly. I have 2 questions…

1. Are we even interested?
2. If we are, would the injury make us look elsewhere or would we still be interested considering most players recover from this type of injury in 6-8 weeks?

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - 1. See previous answers. 2. Liverpool have preferred options.}


1.) 24 Jul 2023 10:34:21
Hi Ed002, apologies, despite reading all your comments rather closely, I wasn't able to recall/ find Liverpool preferred option, apart from Lavia. And that was post Henderson/ Fabinho's transfer.
With Henderson and Fabinho expected to be gone, is there a change now in preferred option, or is it still Lavia, and would there not be more preferred options, as in targeting to get at least 2 or more?

Is Valverde as possible option, you think?

{Ed002's Note - I have explained about Lavia and Valverde.}


 

 

29 Jun 2023 14:29:45
I’m not saying the szoboszlai transfer won’t happen but if it was going to happen, surely we would be paying the release clause before it expires tomorrow! Why would Leipzig accept anything less once it expires? Unless I’m missing something.

JK_RED

{Ed002's Note - They might be open to a higher fee with payments spread over a few years.}


1.) 29 Jun 2023 14:51:39
If you activate a players buyout, do u have to pay the fee in full then edd? Thanks.

{Ed002's Note - Unless you can persuade the club to accept terms.}


2.) 29 Jun 2023 14:54:51
Are you guessing that Ed or is there some reason you feel they may be open to that?
Thanks!

{Ed002's Note - They would get more money.}


3.) 29 Jun 2023 15:01:53
What’s your guy feeling about us bidding or not?

{Ed002's Note - Any of the interested sides may offer to pay it but RBL will be reluctant to sell having lost Nkunku and Laimer and likely to lose Gvardiol this window.}


4.) 29 Jun 2023 15:37:54
Ok Ed cheers again for you too information as usual spot on. It seems all of targets our not for sale or everyone is after them.


5.) 29 Jun 2023 15:47:01
And your feminine feeling on it Ed?


6.) 29 Jun 2023 16:16:24
Ah fair enough ed002, didn’t think about it like that, hopefully that’s the reason we’re not just paying the release clause.


7.) 29 Jun 2023 16:43:06
Not a chance will RBL allow all these main players to leave in one season this is the owners and the AL at the club leading the fans on to yet another disappointment.


8.) 29 Jun 2023 17:08:52
Ah well that's that then, thanks Whitewalker. I'll be dissapointed now instead so.


9.) 29 Jun 2023 20:29:30
The glass is definitely half empty isn’t it Whitewalker ?.


10.) 29 Jun 2023 21:24:40
It's not "cheaping out" - it's called negotiating. You try to avoid paying huge amounts up front if you can, because it's better for cash flow, FFP purposes and just general business. I can guarantee Newcastle would be trying to do the same.

We've paid £35m up front for MacA, very few clubs have £100m in petty cash lying around to pay fees in one go. Nearly all clubs pay in instalments of some kind. Even Barcelona did for Coutinho.


11.) 29 Jun 2023 21:38:45
FSG don't want us to take on debt, hence not wanting to pay the fee in one go. They're been so strict on this that they even funded our stadium expansion with short term debt, which significantly hurt our cash flow and limited our spending on the market, just to be able to get rid of our debt as soon as possible.

So I'll be surprised to see us fund a transfer this way. If they were this aggressive with real estate, they'll be even more frugal when it comes to funding depreciating assets such as players.
One potential reason that they're so insanely strict is merely to keep us in "perfect condition" for a sale.

{Ed025's Note - i used to love Jackanory..


12.) 29 Jun 2023 21:39:37
Look at the state of Barcelona now, after year on year gambling on spending now and recuperating in the future.


13.) 29 Jun 2023 21:55:56
Barca did for too many and it caught up with them lol.


14.) 29 Jun 2023 22:35:55
If the deal is right RBL might as well lose all these players at once. Ok they’ll have a tough time next season, but what difference will keeping one star player make? Will he be happy propping up a team that has sold so many? Will he be trying to engineer a move?

Essentially it’s a business decision, they will know they’re in for a tough season come what may, so if the money works they will do a deal. If the money doesn’t work they won’t.
I don’t think they’ll turn down a deal because of their ambitions next season.


15.) 30 Jun 2023 09:27:33
"FSG don't want us to take on debt".

Factually speaking, the club has a fair amount of debt.


16.) 30 Jun 2023 13:06:04
I don't know intimately, but I imagine a club like RBL would be well placed to replace their stars through their current scouting and acamdey and be back competing in the next 1 - 2 seasons.

{Ed002's Note - They are also part of the Red Bull group and regularly take players from there. They laso have identifield potential replacements for any departing players such as Laimer and Nkunku.}


 

 

 

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20 Mar 2024 11:25:05
If anyone needed any more evidence for how inept the PGMOL are, just go and watch Howard Webb talking about the Mac Allister penalty decision against city.

He said the reason the penalty was not given due to both players “coming in high” to the challenge. How on earth can a player come into the challenge high with his chest?

This is always going to be the problem with VAR, they’re all mates and they’ve all got each other's backs. Until the VAR is an independent entity of some kind, nothing will change.

JK_RED

1.) 20 Mar 2024 12:18:12
Let it go - it’s flawed. It’s flawed for everybody. Saying over and over that it doesn’t work doesn’t help.


2.) 20 Mar 2024 12:29:42
Was listening to Keith Hackett this morning on talksport and he said the opposite ?‍♂️.


3.) 20 Mar 2024 12:31:38
I think every football fan is sick to the back teeth of VAR and the ones who run it and the premier league. Our game has been ruined from a sport to a cash cow for the rich. Charged outrageous prices, treated like cattle, games put on at times with no consideration of the fans.

Football needs a complete overhaul to make the game a level playing field . When an average football player can earn more money in a week than a doctor or nurse can earn in a year for kicking a bag of air around a pitch.


4.) 20 Mar 2024 13:39:11
Wdw, you're right mate. I'm guilty of going on about it but you're spot on, this is the new normal whether we like it or not.


5.) 20 Mar 2024 14:07:54
Sorry WDW3, so we should all be quiet about it cos we can't do anything about it? Miss me with that stuff, mate. I ain't letting that go anytime soon. The only thing worse than the clear non-decision itself, was the wretched excuse and shambles and blatant quadruple-speak Webbo engaged us in his bid to gas light us that we should not believe what our own eyes are seeing and just believe the absolute contradictory tripe that comes out of his mouth. Also, not everyone is affected cos I don't recall any other team go they what we went thru at Spurs. Nor has City gotten done by these incompetent decisions either so the "It"s flawed for everyone" schtick is NOT true either.

This whole ship stinks and we all know it and the worse thing here is that for every mistake PGMOL has made and apologised to LFC for, City and Arsenal has directly benefited by default. That's why it stinks in our situation. So No, I ain't letting it go any time soon and I'll keep talking about it.


6.) 20 Mar 2024 15:30:40
Keith Hackett, who used to be the boss of PGMOL back in the day, was furious too, as he firmly believes the referee and the VAR made a mistake by not awarding Liverpool a penalty. He had a real go at Webb for not accepting the mistake.


Reacting to Webb’s words, Hackett said in a tweet: “Not a foul Howard? you are joking. Do not defend the indefensible. ”

In another tweet, he wrote: “What abject nonsense from Howard Webb who is ignoring Law 12. Careless -Reckless definition. ”

Replying to a fan, Hackett said: “The boot is too high and makes contact with Mac Allister. It’s a foul! All day every day. Liverpool should have had a penalty kick. ”.


7.) 20 Mar 2024 16:09:17
What is mind boggling and bewildering is that grown professional adults are serving up this nonsense on a regular basis, on the belief that other grown adults (the fans and media) will swallow it and not say much about it. Seems to be working.

I firmly believe that the absolute wrong thing is to let it go. What is right is right, and what is wrong is wrong. And everyone has the right (I could even go as far as to say; almost an obligation) to say what they feel is wrong.

Another thing that comes to mind is what I always say: 'be careful what you ask for because you just might get it". Well we asked for better refereeing standards before all this VAR stuff. No one had an inkling that it would turn out so controversially, but there you go.


8.) 20 Mar 2024 16:14:44
Webb pretty much confirmed exactly what Klopp and everyone else has been saying all along.

Oliver wasn’t sure so he gave nothing, thinking that VAR would look at it and tell him if he was wrong. VAR then look at it and think ‘I don’t want to go against my mate’ so they go with Oliver’s non decision, even though his non decision was only made because he expected clarification from VAR.

What annoys me more than anything is they keep talking about processes and protocols. He followed the correct process, he used the correct protocol as if that makes up for giving the wrong decision! You are officials in a football match, the whole reason for you being there is to get the decisions correct! If you think that process and protocol is more important than actually getting the decisions right then what is the point of your existence?

It’s a sh@t show. It’s simply not fit for purpose in its current form.


9.) 20 Mar 2024 16:46:10
WDW, not saying anything is surely worse? Just accepting it will only allow them to get away with it for longer.


10.) 20 Mar 2024 20:33:52
@Oli, JK_RED, I strongly suspect that VAR and its usage will have undergone hopefully major) changes by the start of next season. It doesn’t work the way it is currently set up. We know and everybody else knows including the FA.

It won’t be changed this season, because changing it mid-season potentially makes them culpable for wrong decisions which, n turn, could possibly open them up to claims for financial recompense from a number of teams - we lose the title by one point and the Spurs fiasco and the Doku challenge could literally lose us hundreds of thousands / millions.

There will be a VAR 2.0, it’s inevitable. I really understand that it is a poorly executed process, which clearly hasn’t been thought through, and I understand that we are all frustrated and angry with it and really p1ssed off with loads of the decisions, which are not transparent and appear, at best, arbitrary when paying spectators can’t hear what’s going on / being said.

My comment yesterday doesn’t mean people should stop voicing their concerns, and we certainly shouldn’t let it drop, but a thread a day seems overkill to me. Collectively, we’ve all got a scab on our knee, picking at it won’t help it get better (we’ll that’s what my mum said ?) .


11.) 20 Mar 2024 20:47:36
This whole Mic’d up show is a farce and is gas lighting in its purest forum! Not just within the context of Liverpool but in every episode Webb comes out with his rehearsed segment where he tries to rewrite events and justify errors is frankly disrespectful to fans… Webb says that both players ‘came in high’? And Doku got the ball, both are factually inaccurate but Michael Owen stands there like a paid clown and nods politely?

I’m not saying that Liverpool should have 100% had a better penalty, that’s a subjective call and up for debate but what isint subjective is the facts and that can’t be allowed to go unchecked. Frankly VAR needs a complete overhaul in its process which sees all refs make the final decision on a VAR call, when the game is stopped and VAR is taking 3 or 4 minutes to review an incident why isint the ref doing this at the monitor? Why do we have a 4th official reviewing an incident and deciding then if the error meets this mythical threshold to overturn a decision. Simple solution, VAR flag a possible pen shout which is a subjective call, ref without input from anyone else goes and looks at the monitor and makes a decision. If u want to speed things up then use the big screens in the stadium!

Also if something takes 3 minutes to review then it’s for me it’s an inconsequential matter and play on, let’s not go searching for reasons to rule out goals or award penalty’s for a players big toe being clipped. errors will continue but atleast they won’t be resulting from bureaucracy and farcical things like clear and obvious.


12.) 20 Mar 2024 20:53:34
Wdw3 I completely understand your point. Honestly though- if it affected every team it would be easier to take. There is one team that again and again and again and again appears to get the “benefit of doubt”. It’s just frustrating. It’s also a comfort seeing other voices echoing the same frustrations. I hope for a fairer var but like a broken record I’ll say until the betting issues occurring- I can’t see there being any change occurring.


13.) 21 Mar 2024 08:44:33
Name names @aoe - I’m sure the truth will be revealed when the decision of ‘no evidence of wrongdoing’ is arrived at in 2045 and the FA have just signed a multi trillion deal with representatives of the UAE.

Being only slightly mitre serious it is hard to tell if the benefit f the doubt shown to the side you refer to isn’t just another example of complete ineptitude rather than anything Machiavellian. As a (slightly cynical) optimist I’m sticking with hoping for better things next season.


14.) 21 Mar 2024 09:09:12
The sooner people face the fact that the game is so obviously fixed for one result or another, the sooner we can purge this corruption out of the game and go back to watching a pure sporting contest. We've been denied at least 4 points this season (Tottenham, Man City), down to the most heinous of duck-ups. They want a team to win the league and it isn't Liverpool. The league is fixed just like the NFL, and many players have testified to that fact.


15.) 21 Mar 2024 09:25:09
Mcgoveb, my point exactly. They keep saying it was a subjective call which is a blatant lie. If something has an actual statute governing it, it is NOT subjective, period/ end of story. Again, this is the dumbing down of footie analysis where applying footie laws don't matter anymore. Only people's feelings (doused in tribalism) that matter in a bid to drive controversy and click.

Law 12 is there to govern this type of incident and the rule/ statutes are clear on this. This incident fits the rule like a glove YET I have yet to see anyone in punditry or online use/ mention it in their analysis to support why it should not have been a pen. Convenience? Probably and I'll tell you why.

When the whole manufactured "drop-ball" fiasco happened, there were people who where sore about us winning the game (legitimately I might add), stating the actual rule that says that it should have gone to Forrest (despite the fact that the same thing happened to us in the first half) . Now notice that NOT a soul nor Webbo himself referred to that rule. Why? Cos it would have blown their whole rhetoric on non pen into bits hence, no leg to stand on. Liars, the lot of them.


16.) 21 Mar 2024 11:15:13
Tbh, I think it’d have been better if Webb had come out and just explained that the VAR verified what the ref saw and didn’t see a clear and obvious error. That would have been better than explaining why it wasn’t a pen.

Cos the explanation is bogus.


17.) 21 Mar 2024 11:16:11
@WDW trust me I get it, I’m just as sick as you are of talking about them, but it seems every single weekend there’s a big decision ruining games. It’s actually quite impressive how many decisions they get wrong with a million cameras covering every single angle of the pitch.


18.) 21 Mar 2024 12:33:52
Faithinworks OR, Webbo could have just kept his mouth shut and kept it moving cos we all knew what happened and know the refs screwed up. The amount of rival fans (even Arsenal fans who benefited from the result) saying it was a clear pen, is mind-blowing and it only went up after the absolute gaslighting debacle Webbo and his band of liars subjected us to.

{Ed001's Note - Webb has been trained at South Yorkshire Police, that is all you need to know in order to understand that nothing that comes out of his mouth can be trusted. He should never be in any position of authority.}


19.) 21 Mar 2024 18:26:00
Spot on, Ed. I lived in the States for many years. Never believe a word that comes out of a cop's mouth when talking about the conduct of his fellow cop.


20.) 22 Mar 2024 12:47:48
Incredible how the scale of what happened in those towns was just brushed under the rug.


21.) 22 Mar 2024 13:03:12
Few major issues with VAR for me lads:
1 - it is run by Refs. I mean we all heard Mike Dean saying he didn't tell the ref about the Cucarella hair pull because his mate had already had a bad day and he didn't make it worse fs.

Also, the refs seemingly don't want to 'overrule' their mate on the field so just back up the decision made - which as wrong as often the ref on the field makes a call, thinking if he's wrong then his mate in VAR will bail him out.

Again, then VAR refers the ref to the screen, how many times has the ref honestly said 'no' and backed his own decision? Has happened what once this season I think?

Personally, I think because it's refs on VAR no one knows who has the final decision as above, they both just want to back up their mates - I think VAR should be manned by people outside of the refs. They see something and refer the ref to the screen to look at it. Final decision is the onfield refs and no-one elses.

2 - the decisions themselves made by VAR and when it decides to get involved

We see a decision given one week as like a penalty or red card - get the likes of Dermot Gallagher explaining how it is a correct decision and processed used, then the next week we see an identical incident and a different decision this time. Again, Dermot tells us, using a different interpretation of those same rules, how bizarrely that this too was alos a correct decision.

Again, we see VAR intervene one week for an incident then not get involved for an identical incident the following week. Dermot, Mike Dean etc tell us how both decisions were correct and we are left scratching our heads wondering what the difference was - was it the Clubs involved? The Stadium the match was in etc, who knows?

3. The length of time taken to make a decision - I mean this has to be split into 2 parts:
A - 5 mins plus to look at a possibly penalty/ red card etc type incident. I mean jeez, we see like every replay the VAR officials see and it doesn't take longer than 30 secs or so to see if it is a deliberate handball or a karate kick to the chest but hey, they take their 5 mins, fair enough, but how they then come to a different decision than the millions watching at home is just inexplicable.

B - then the offsides, a real annoyance for me. VAR is to intervene for those 'clear and obvious' incidents - if it takes 5 mins plus and the drawing of lines to measure millimetres of a possible offside then it's hardly bloody clear or obvious is it and VAR should not get involved

The solution? For me simple - one still, in line across the pitch when the ball is played. If he's on he's on, if he's off he's off - usually obvious, if it's too close to tell then you don't need lines, the advantage goes to the attacker. Simple fs and what, 30 seconds for the decision to be made?

VAR in itself is a useful tool and should lead to the correct decision to be made - the fact this isn't happening should show it is merely being used incorrectly and thus needs looked at.


 

 

18 Mar 2024 09:48:06
Bad day at the office yesterday, it happens and you just have to take it on the chin. One thing I will say though is some of the players looked lethargic yesterday, which begs the question, why did klopp go full strength on Thursday when we were already 5-1 up?

JK_RED

1.) 18 Mar 2024 10:11:45
Thursday was a cake walk, the players barely broke a sweat.
We allowed United to get back in that game by not shutting up shop and not taking advantage when we were on top. Poor game management.


2.) 18 Mar 2024 10:53:44
Liverpool were lack lustre from the start, no urgency at all. I thought they were complacent but saying that they also looked tired, obviously the Thursday game played a part of it . Thing what bothers me though is that is the worst United team we've seen in a decade and we should always be up for these games, the game was there for the taking. but let's dust ourselves down n more forward.


3.) 18 Mar 2024 11:00:07
I think we have to give Utd some credit too Mikey. We should’ve finished them off in the second half the game almost became too easy but they took some risks and got a lot of players forward.

They got a couple of lucky bounces of the ball and it was a good finish from Antony.

They then took advantage of 2 tired mistakes in extra time.

It’s a game where we’ll be kicking ourselves as it was there for the winning but fair play to Utd they kept going, threw players forward and got their reward.

On to the next one.


4.) 18 Mar 2024 11:09:22
No intensity killed us, we had poor game management by the team as well, no urgency to get the third until ET, we should of walked that game if we turned up the press.


5.) 18 Mar 2024 11:36:58
We win some we lose some. I’m over the defeat and said we have to bounce back against Brighton.

As for you Beckers and that high horse of yours. I have been on this site for probably 15 years. Who knows maybe longer so the holy than thou act don’t really wash with me nor impress me. In your reply below you say me and Mango. But then go onto specifically address Mango about turning up when defeats occur. Maybe don’t lump people in the same box? I’m here win lose or draw. Stick to one argument when directly countered. So address this statement first. Actually, don’t as I can’t be bothered going back and forth with you to be honest.

As for last season, Klopp’s sub choices were poor. What do you want me to say, jump onboard with your line of thinking? As fans we are entitled to have a difference of opinions. Btw im here every week. Mainly in the live chat, which I assume is below you and I have maintained both here and the live chat - that Klopp is a great manager. Given me the best times as a Liverpool fan. But his one weakness is sub choices (for me) . And in a number of games it’s cost us. Is that being a terrible fan or less than a fan than you, your Lordship. The players have done well but I won’t be a fan that just says yeah everything was okay and hey things happen. If you want that then you have to look elsewhere because you won’t be getting it from me.

The funny thing is if an Ed said Klopp is a great manager. I want him to have the a great send off. But for me, his sub choices have killed our momentum in a number of games. I can almost guarantee you wouldn’t have this energy. Anyways, I’m done responding to you, your Lordship Mr Beckers. I’ll continue to support the club, win and yes lose or draw. Starting with Brighton. And if I see something I feel I don’t like. I will continue to have my own opinion and will voice it. Cheers ?.


6.) 18 Mar 2024 11:41:31
Typical FA cup game should’ve won but faded badly in last ten minutes and the underdogs came through that’s all that happened. Rather we take three points of em in premier league later this season
Up the pool.


7.) 18 Mar 2024 12:14:07
We can turn it into a positive by not making those mistakes again. Wrong Subs, not taking chances, full strength in Europe 3 days before….


8.) 18 Mar 2024 13:02:05
Poor game management and poor substitutions by Klopp, im afraid. Its got to be called out. He deserves all the praise and admiration when he gets things right but it was a shocker to play a full strength side against Sparta. Especially as we scored 4 goals in the first 15 min.
Id take this result in exchange for tonking Utd in the league any day but can't help wondering if the passion might be notched up a level once TAA and Curtis are back?


9.) 18 Mar 2024 12:50:45
Spot on LiverpoolFC8. Those 3 points are exactly what I have being saying that played a part in the result. But the game is gone and we must move on. We still have the league and Europa Cup to win.

If Arsenal draw or lose against City and we win our remaining 10 games and the league is ours. We have all witnessed City pulling 15 game winning streaks over 7 years now. So we have to treat every match like a cup final from here on out, starting with Brighton. Nothing would be better than seeing Klopp off with the league and Europa to add to the Carabao Cup. Followed by FSG announcing Alonso as the man to take over the reigns.


10.) 18 Mar 2024 13:53:24
Alonso, you have been around for plenty of wins this season, (as has Mango), so I don't think you've been saving up a little hit piece for weeks, you have to admit it's pretty bloody hard to maintain that Klopp's sub choices have killed our momentum in games this season. You've suggested it's a general, worsening issue. I've only seen it yesterday, and the PL game away to Arsenal.

We've outscored literally every other top-flight team in the country in second halves and I think in the last 20 minutes too. That surely suggests that Klopp's subs have generally been on point, doesn't it? Which is what I've seen with my own eyes too.

I find people here generally can get very precious about the sanctity of their opinions when someone disagrees. Opinions have to have a basis in reality, or else they're open to challenge.


11.) 18 Mar 2024 14:41:30
Says he's over it then continues to rant like a 5 year old child who didn't have things his own way.
Learn to let it go, you can't change it no matter how much you vent on here.


12.) 18 Mar 2024 14:41:57
@Something Red. Thank you backing up that I don’t just turn up when we lose. And I actually respect all opinions. This is what makes the forum what it has grown into. We are allowed to disagree without being disagreeable. Thing is I weren’t being challenged. In fact I got called embarrassing and accused of being a poster that only turns up when we lose and enjoying when we lose (I mean seriously) so I can run some sinister agenda. Which is an absolutely misguided, a strange observation, absurd and not to mention straight up incorrect!

I don’t mind others not agreeing with me, because we can’t all think the same. For example not everyone will agree on what players they like in the squad. That goes for any fanbase. Some fans will say they really like player X and they bring a lot to the team. And others will say player X brings nothing to the table and hinders their play. It’s all opinions at the end of the day and I’m not the all seeing and knowing and can also be wrong in my opinions.

In what I have seen over a few years as I have watched every single one of our games win, lose of draw mind. And I have been left baffled at Klopp’s sub choices quite a few times. On a side note, it was good to get an outside perspective from someone who doesn’t support Liverpool. And when I brought up the fact that Klopp’s subs killed our momentum the City game, Ed25 jumped in and said he also noticed that after watching the game. City were there for the taking but our subs left us playing for a draw towards the end of the game. Again, the team have been superb and so has Klopp. But he ain’t perfect and for me subs are his one weakness if you zoom out of just this season and take last season into account or can even go back further. That’s all I’m saying.

Just want to reiterate that Klopp weren’t solely to blame for the result against City. End product played a major part and Klopp weren’t solely responsible for the result against United, because if our end product was better we would have comfortably won that game. But playing a full strength team 3 days before in essentially a dead rubber game falls on him. And sub choices for me in the United game killed our momentum and that falls on him.

Anyways appreciate the open and respectful discussion even if we don’t agree on some things. Which is how things should be….


13.) 18 Mar 2024 14:55:47
Looks like I touched a nerve Alonso. It’s fine, you’re entitled to your opinion but it’s hard to accept when literally all of the evidence points to the opposite. You’re typical of someone with confirmation bias. You have criticised the sub choices so often that you were desperate for a game where the subs didn’t work so you could say ‘I told you so’. That just doesn’t wash with me.

This whole holier than thou and superfan nonsense is just a red herring. You’re trying to criticise me because in your eyes I’m trying to say I’m above you when that is simply not the case. I just understand that in football, as in any sport things don’t always go your way.

As fans our job is to support the team on the pitch. I understand the frustrations I really do as nobody likes to lose a game especially away at one of your biggest rivals but if you can’t hack it and have to make up bogus reasons as to why it happened then you’re better off not bothering. The team is better off without you.

How can you possibly ask these players and this manager to give you everything when at the first sign of trouble you want to say how rubbish they are and how you could’ve done better?

If you’re a Liverpool fan then own it, win lose or draw. I think the main problem with people nowadays is they can’t handle the gloating of rival fans on social media and so they lash out when things don’t work out exactly as they wanted. They are way too quick to criticise their own team as it allows them to save face, as if to say ‘well it’s not my fault, Klopp’s subs are rubbish’.

Just own it mate, take it on the chin and accept that supporting a football team doesn’t mean winning every week and winning every trophy. We have one trophy in the bag, are joint top of the league and are in the quarter final of the Europa League. I think that’s pretty good for a manager who is limited and makes poor substitutions every week.


14.) 18 Mar 2024 15:42:05
Beckers. It appears we misunderstand each other which is fine. Same way the holy then thou is a red herring, the sub choices so often that you were desperate for a game where the subs didn’t work so you could say ‘I told you so’ is a red herring and don’t wash with me. Im here cheering the team come rain or shine, win or lose and will say you know what, no excuse we got beaten by the better side on the day. Any of the long standing posters who are in the live chat every week can attest to that. And as you’re not in the live chat every week I can see why you have that perception of me, which again is fine.

As for you can’t win every game, being here win, lose or draw I’ll let you settle down as you seem amped up as if you have been storing this up for a while. Then you can read back over everything I have said. You will actually find we are aligned on that. But if you want to point score and be the one that has “won” the argument. Then fine, so be it.

Anyways, I’ll keep it respectful going forward and will leave the holy than thou stuff out and you keep it respectful your end. Plus we both support the same team and even if in your mind you think I want my own team that I have supported since early childhood memory to lose (which I unsure if I find funny or absurd) . So going against each other in not really an open and respectful way serves no purpose. So let’s end by agreeing to disagree and leave the forum to other discussions.


15.) 18 Mar 2024 16:53:18
Nice one, lads. For me, the subs have been great from the off this season so for the one time it does not go well (esp. with the injuries and fatigue we are dealing with right now), not sure it's that big of an effect. As I have said before and I was peeved we lost BUT at the end of the day, the fatigue told at the end on these players minds and bodies after the past weeks playing every 3 days and essentially winning all our games including a Cup at Wembley. Can't cheat nature, Im afraid. It's undefeated for a reason.

That being said, we play Utd again in the PL and that is the game I would have lost my crap had we lost it this way with all the collective and individual mistakes. so not arsed cos well, again, Klopp did not promise me a Quad so ain't arsed about what I was not promised.

Onto Brighton and trust me, that is the BIGGER than this game Utd won even tho, I never want to lose to that wretched lot who are STILL useless regardless of these "big" result.


16.) 18 Mar 2024 18:17:11
Took us time to adjust to United's man marking first half. They were first to every second ball and wouldn't let us settle. Once we did we should have seen the game out. But credit to United they battled on and won the day. Hopefully the boys learned some things yesterday and will put it right in 3 weeks time. I'll take the league win over a cup win.


17.) 18 Mar 2024 21:17:26
It’s fine Alonso, maybe I misread the tone of your post which is always possible with the written word without body language for context.

You posted something above about Gakpo that I whole heartedly agree with so we are not completely on a different page.

I just get frustrated when people don’t realise how good they have it being a Liverpool fan. We are the best club in the world in my opinion and what makes us that is the undying loyalty of our fan base. We are a family and we should always support each other come rain or shine not throw our toys out of the pram when a result doesn’t go the way we wanted.

No problem though mate, I’ve got no problem with you personally and I’m sure we’ll agree on more than we disagree on.


18.) 18 Mar 2024 22:18:45
@Beckers. It’s all good mate. No hard feelings on my side. And you’re right, we do have it good. I just hope we give Klopp the send off he deserves. Here’s to us hopefully winning the treble ?.


19.) 19 Mar 2024 00:47:51
Lack of execution.
When you have so much possession in the opponents final third you have to make it count.

Liverpool were too comfortable in the second half, coasting along.

You can do that when you’re 3-0 up, not 2-1 away from home.

We need better options up front. Sorry Darwin, love your energy but you’re too wasteful. Should be replaced in summer by a new manager with fresh eyes.


20.) 19 Mar 2024 03:45:08
Sorry Ron, I have to disagree with your last statement there. Nunez brings so much more to the team than just goals. He unsettles the opposition defense, which helps our other attackers find the time and space they need. If we want someone who just scores goals, we can go for someone like Haaland. Bangs them in for fun but completely ineffective when he does not get the service he needs.

I believe that getting rid of Nunez would be a major mistake, especially since I just can't see anyone out there who would be an improvement on Nunez.


21.) 19 Mar 2024 08:15:13
Nunez has the ability to be the best striker in the world and is improving all the time.

Selling him now would be absolutely crazy. When Salah goes there’s your 20-30 goal a season man, I’d much rather him be doing that for us than for someone else.

{Ed025's Note - wow that is some statement BP, bulls arses and banjo,s come to mind when i think of him mate.. :)


22.) 19 Mar 2024 09:09:50
He already has 17 goals and 14 assists this season across all competitions Ed, and he must have hit the frame of the goal half as many times. So Beckers' prediction of him being a 20-30 goal striker isn't that far off ;)

{Ed025's Note - i happen to rate him Drac, but "has the ability to be the best striker in the world"....come on!!, talk about over egging mate..


23.) 19 Mar 2024 12:14:10
Ron Keague, oh miss me with the Nunez slander cos it is getting tedious to read now. Seems when we don't win, he is the or one of the scapegoats whereas we all know he is key to the way we attack. Did I also mention that it was his assist that led to the equalizer and it was his shot that got Parried onto Salah for him to score and give us the lead? Absolute tosh, man.

And what chances did he get today that he was wasteful? Seriously, were you watching the game with your eyes wide shut or did you just see the highlight?

Oh and a guy with 17 goals and 13 assists in all comps. is "all energy" and "wasteful". Man, go take a nap cos you sound like a MOTD pundit parroting the same schtick of "Darwin was wasteful" whereas he never was based on the actual game. Pfffftt!


24.) 19 Mar 2024 10:54:23
Watching Suarez in his first 2 years you’d say the same Ed. You’re say the same about Kane in his many loans and early in his Spurs career. Soldado was ahead of him for a season and a half.

Nunez is only in his 4th season of top level football, his rise has been meteoric so it’s inevitable he would need time to adjust.

He’s shown me enough for me to be extremely confident we have a proper player on our hands. I thought it when he was at Benfica and nothing I’ve seen of him at Liverpool changes my mind.

{Ed025's Note - i think hes a very good player BP and frightens the life out of defenders mate, but "has the ability to be the best in the world"....high accolade that for someone who misses so many chances imo..


25.) 19 Mar 2024 14:52:11
We’ll see Ed. I seem to remember you saying something similar about DCL only a few years ago.

I do think Nunez is the real deal though.

{Ed025's Note - time will tell as you say BP. But at the moment he is probably the 3rd best forward at Liverpool mate never mind the world..


26.) 20 Mar 2024 22:06:44
OliRed - just collecting receipts ?.


 

 

25 Feb 2024 21:09:26
I genuinely think klopp will look at that victory as one of the most satisfying of his career! To win a cup final with the players we had on the pitch is amazing! For the whole of extra time, we had a 18 year old kid with less than 2 mins of first team football leading the line.

I have to say, that’s the difference between a team and a group of players. Chelsea have spent over £1bn on their team, yet that means absolutely nothing when you’re playing against a team who will give blood, sweat and tears for the badge!

Every single Liverpool player can hold their head up high tonight. They deserve everything they got today!

JK_RED

1.) 25 Feb 2024 21:43:24
Is right JK Red
I was there and it was an unbelievably good feeling to get the win, we have had some day, memories I will cherish forever

Jurgen Norbert Klopp = Legendary.


2.) 25 Feb 2024 22:27:28
Klopp has said that was his best cup win!

LFC keep making lifetime memories under Klopp.

It’s really special times.


3.) 25 Feb 2024 22:57:43
I'll keep saying it. This is his greatest achievement at LFC. As Robbie Earl said, "This was a club victory". Couldn't agree more.


4.) 26 Feb 2024 05:15:53
Well said JK.


5.) 26 Feb 2024 08:24:02
Wow Hughes. I never noticed before that Jurgen Norbert Klopp is an anagram of legendary. If you add a d, r and y, and remove a bunch of other letters, there it is.

How many other teams can have a manager that is an anagram of the word legendary. Clearly a full proof sign from god that we have the best manager in the world.


 

 

21 Feb 2024 22:53:05
Apparently Bayern also want alonso at the end of the season. Without any bias, I cannot see any reason for him to choose Bayern over us. He would tarnish his relationship with the Leverkusen fans, Bayern have a reputation for not giving managers time if things are not going well and I genuinely think his relationship with Liverpool will be the biggest reason for him picking us.

JK_RED

1.) 21 Feb 2024 23:25:34
My thoughts exactly JK but I don’t know Alonso and don’t know what’s going through his head.

We’ll see how it goes but there is always a third option of him not wanting to abandon his Leverkusen team 18 months into the job.


2.) 21 Feb 2024 23:42:27
JKR, what will be, will be.


3.) 21 Feb 2024 23:47:51
In Bayern he will win trophy's though. So the easy way to build his manager career would be Bayern.


4.) 22 Feb 2024 00:14:43
He played with Bayern and I think won plenty with them so I would assume he has an affinity with them as well as us.

I hope he chooses us but I wouldn't hold it against him to go to Bayern.


5.) 22 Feb 2024 01:55:11
@JK_RED, as a Liverpool fan mate, I’d be surprised and disappointed if you weren’t biased. I don’t think us worrying about it is going to influence Xabi and any decision he might feel he has to make.


6.) 22 Feb 2024 04:52:35
To win the title with Leverkusen and then go to the club that’s dominated German football for a decade just to do it all again with more resources seems fairly pointless, I’d actually be disappointed in Alonso if he did that.


7.) 22 Feb 2024 07:13:44
Im more worried about the pull that Real have over him.

Even if it’s not next season then it could be the season after or every season after that.

We’ve seen players use clubs as a stepping stone to Real and Barcelona and let’s hope if we get Alonso then it’s for a long haul and not a flying visit on route to Madrid.


8.) 22 Feb 2024 09:33:24
If it is Xabi's wish to manage LFC (something he has said repeatedly going back to 2018) then, it is a possibility that he would take the job cos he may think it will never come around to him in the future.

He may also think the job is too big for him right now and stay at Bayer and hope the opportunity comes around again. Like I said, what will be, will be even tho, I want Xabi to be our manager. It's not in our hands, at the end of the day.


9.) 22 Feb 2024 10:29:24
Will he have the minerals to take over from klopp or will he take the easy option of Munich?


 

 

02 Feb 2024 08:21:08
What do we do with Trent at the weekend? Surely he’s too important to leave on the bench in a game as big as this. Would you replace Bradley or would you put Trent in midfield and leave Bradley in the team? Personally, I’d put him in midfield with Macallister and Szoboszlai, as harsh as that is on Jones who has been really good the last few months.

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1.) 02 Feb 2024 08:41:37
Either start Trent at rb or bench for me. But I would bench him, Bradley has been brilliant and has earns his starting place. the balance of the midfield 3 works perfectly, Trent hasn’t had much time in midfield and this is not the game to experiment.

What a nice problem to have though!


2.) 02 Feb 2024 09:25:00
I think this game Trent will start RB just from a legs point of view I think Bradley has played a lot of minutes and could probably do with a game off.


I think it becomes more of a question after this game when they are both fully ready to go for a game. At that point I think you probably have to at least try Trent midfield but even at that I'm not sure any of Maca Jones and Szob on current form have a right to be dropped. Arguably Szob out of the 3 on current form is most replaceable in team which is crazy.


3.) 02 Feb 2024 09:25:15
If Bradley is sit to play even tho he has played a lot of footie of late, he should start. Trent can come on. I'll say it again, imagine Trent coming off the bench at the Emirates. Crazy stuff.


4.) 02 Feb 2024 09:36:30
I think Bradley can keep Martinelli quiet, Trent off the bench WOW what a statement that would be, I predict Nunez to get a brace.


5.) 02 Feb 2024 09:51:28
Right now, does Trent coming it at right back improve us? I would say No. Bradley is playing very well. Arsenal away, with a lot of their attacks coming from wide, doesn't seem like the right time to make defensive changes and swap out in-form full backs.

Does Trent starting in midfield improve us? I would say yes. Mac Allister is probably playing the best he has done for us so far. Szoboszlai is only just returning from injury himself. Jones could maybe use a rest. We might also have to defend a bit more than usual on Sunday and I think there will be opportunities to hit Arsenal on the break with Nunez and Diaz so Trent's ability to put inch perfect long passes in behind from deep positions could be an asset.

Mac Allister/ Trent/ Jones to start for me. Szoboslazi off the bench, as required, in the second half.


6.) 02 Feb 2024 10:31:11
Trent will start at RB, Szobo will start, I think Gomez might start at LB.


7.) 02 Feb 2024 11:27:13
Certainly wouldn't be taking jones out as a lot seem dying to do, has been excellent this season. Wasnt at his best the other night but his workrate and leading of the press were still top notch. I love Trent, but if he can't get into the team Sunday at RB then we shouldn't be disrupting a midfield who have done F all wrong.


8.) 02 Feb 2024 11:36:33
Gomez definitely starts at lb. Klopp been saying Robbo is not fully up to speed. Nunez is the worry.


9.) 02 Feb 2024 11:50:14
If it’s not broken don’t fix it! Leave Joe and Conor play I say!


10.) 02 Feb 2024 12:47:57
That performance was our best all season as a team. Bradley gives up balance and he stays to thr touchline. Trent makes us very narrow. Bradley all day as a rb.


11.) 02 Feb 2024 13:07:40
Deffo leave JG in, Robbo won't be match fit. In fact I'd be tempted to keep Bradley in, stick TAA in midfield and move Szobo to the right if Nunez isn't fit - I'm interested to see if he can play that Salah role and, therefore, be a long term replacement there. Can always change that formation with just one sub if it's not working.


12.) 02 Feb 2024 13:14:37
Jude:

Interesting point you make about not disrupting the midfield. I would argue that rotation in the midfield has been very much at the heart of our recent good form. Fortunately we are blessed now to have a number of very good players who can slot in and out of the midfield three pretty seamlessly. In our great run of form through January we played seven matches in all competitions, won six and drew one. Did you know that the midfield three was changed for every single match in that seven match run? We started with the same midfield three just twice out of those seven matches (Elliott, Mac Allister, Jones) . We used seven different players in the starting midfield across those matches and six different combinations of players in midfield. And then there was in-game changes as well. So you might say that Klopp is disrupting – or at least rotating – the midfield intentionally and that it’s proving to be very successful.


13.) 02 Feb 2024 16:38:47
The team didn’t do much wrong before Trent got injured either conceding less goals in his previous 9 games (4) than we have in our last 7 games (7 goals)


14.) 02 Feb 2024 18:52:13
Trent needs to be in the team end of
Up the pool.


15.) 02 Feb 2024 21:15:40
Everyone forgetting how Martinelli was going past Trent every time he got the ball, we needed Bradley to come on. Trent will be destroyed at RB, if he starts it will have to be in midfield.


16.) 02 Feb 2024 21:37:05
That's not true, HAJI. Trent hurt his knee in an incident with Havertz right before Matinelli came on, the same injury that kept him out. The, Martinelli got past him twice so clearly he was struggling from that point.

Hence, Klopp put Bradley on and MArtinelli became instantly invisible. Who knew a right back with full fitness would do better than a right back who was essentially playing on one leg?

"Trent will be destroyed at RB". You mean like he got destroyed at the Etihad by Doku like everyone promised he would? Mate, give it a rest with making such absolute statements. It's weak as heck.


17.) 02 Feb 2024 22:04:14
We are about 2 good games from Bradley to suggesting we cash in on RAA, aren’t we?

TAA starts at right back and the midfield is Dom, Macca and Curtis, our best midfield combination this season.


18.) 02 Feb 2024 22:08:24
Nunez is a doubt left Anfield in protective boot no break but heavily swollen ankle. Was thinking it might be a game for Gakpo to do his best Bobby impression.


19.) 03 Feb 2024 09:43:08
KingCarlos this brace for Nunez, you talk about. Is it to straighten the lads poor shooting, to help find the back of the net?


 

 

 

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16 Aug 2023 17:17:14
Ed002, are we not allowed to have a joke on here anymore?

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{Ed002's Note - Of course but all of this is demonstrating ignorance or stupidity. We have been through those who think the Saudi PIF are the secret owners of Chelsea, and the many, many fans who think Saudi Arabia is in Europe and we are now on to those that think Liverpool showed interest in and made offers for players before Chelsea.}


 

 

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09 Aug 2023 23:39:23
@beckerspecker, not as embarrassing as us lowballing Southampton for weeks and then potentially losing out to Chelsea instead of just paying the extra few million!

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01 Aug 2023 18:18:29
@MK it is low balling if the selling club say they have no intention of selling below £50m. You may not believe he is worth that much and fair enough but they do and they hold all the cards.

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01 Aug 2023 17:20:06
Really looking forward to the £44m bid next week!

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01 Aug 2023 14:17:36
And obviously Liverpool know this and continue to send lowball offers knowing they will be rejected. Time is of the essence, the season starts in less than 2 weeks and we are without a recognised number 6!

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21 Mar 2024 11:16:11
@WDW trust me I get it, I’m just as sick as you are of talking about them, but it seems every single weekend there’s a big decision ruining games. It’s actually quite impressive how many decisions they get wrong with a million cameras covering every single angle of the pitch.

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WDW, not saying anything is surely worse? Just accepting it will only allow them to get away with it for longer.

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@faithinworks, you clearly didn’t watch the match then! Carragher and Neville were loving it. They were heaping praise on Postecoglu for going for it but let’s be honest, if someone like ten hag tried that he would be absolutely slaughtered for being naive!

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And as for Pep, I’ve never known an assistant manager with a vastly over-inflated ego like him. I don’t even know why he’s bragging about the system being his idea though, everyone can see it’s not working!

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28 Aug 2023 13:50:44
Exactly Ed001, I’m constantly seeing people moaning about him being caught out of position! How can he be caught out of position when he doesn’t have a set position. When we lose possession he cannot be expected to move from midfield to right back in less than a second. This tactic is never going to work. It doesn’t seem too bad when we have 70% possession but when the game is end to end, it’s a disaster waiting to happen.

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